/lit/ - Literature

>>11804852
Never read any. I prefer good fiction rather than reading bad stuff ironically.

>>11804852
the only ones i enjoyed so far are delvers llc and super sales on super heroes. and that only because they strictly arent litrpgs. sure theres stats here and there but it isnt shoved into your face every chapter and they their premises are unique and actually interesting. havent found anything else that i liked though i heard good things about everybody loves large chests. its on my to read list once the third book is out and i can just binge a bit.

>>11804117
>>11804628
What happens?

>>11804867
Amber is the new Black

>litRPG

"I clicked the rat for 13 points of damage, wow! critical hit!"

>>11805027
mc and love interest get captured and repeatedly expermimented on.
mc gets his balls cut of and fed to him repeatedly since his body regenerates from wounds. has his love interest raped in front of him until she begs for more and then make him clean up their dicks with his mouth and then urinate into his mouth and shit in there for him to eat as sustinance.
thats the tame parts

>>11805274
The Aristocrats!

>>11805274
>thats the tame parts
Don't stop there you pansy. Keep going.

every 2 or 3 thread there is one guy that always fucks up the OP

>>11805307
Do it yourself then.

Any recs for litrpg?

>>11805312
>always this reply

>>11805318
>always this snide fag

>>11805318
Your lazy whiny faggot ass deserves nothing moee.

fucking retards never learn how to make OP properly

>>11805359
see >>11805312

>>11805450
see >>11805318

>>11805577
see >>11805318

How do I write good stuff?

>>11805879
Put in space ships and rayguns

>>11805274
From what I’m hearing it sounds like the prose match the plot in terribleness.

>Rod's a little wound up by Tay and her constant display of body parts. "Shapely" is used approximately 430 times during the course of Dark Lord to describe the de-winged Angel, predominantly those parts that are neck-down. Greenwood is less finicky about her other attributes: on page 13, her "dark" eyes are described two paragraphs later as "emerald". But with such shapeliness on display, I'm surprised Rod ever gets the occasion to look at her face.

>>11804852
>LitRPG Edition
Who let the illiterate make the thread?

>>11805918
Why can't people just jerk off before writing?
Or coming to this general?

what sci-fi books come closest to this?

>"Empire of Silence is epic science fiction at its most genuinely epic. Ruocchio has made something fascinating here, and I can't wait to see what he does next." —James S.A. Corey, New York Times-bestselling author of The Expanse novels

>"Christopher Ruocchio's Empire of Silence is epic-scale space opera in the tradition of Iain M. Banks and Frank Herbert's Dune, without being a clone of either of them. His is a welcome new voice in science fiction." —Eric Flint, author of the bestselling 1632 series

This sounds exactly like the kind of space opera I've been looking for.

>>11806038
>Empire of Silence
"Hadrian Marlowe, a man revered as a hero and despised as a murderer, chronicles his tale in the galaxy-spanning debut of the Sun Eater series, merging the best of space opera and epic fantasy."

Yeeeeah, no.

>>11806076
>lol wtf is space opera?
Stick to hard SF, scrub.

>>11806085
Thank you for that advice, but I prefer to stick to well written works instead of a genre.

>>11806097
>Thank you for that advice, but I prefer to stick to well written works instead of a genre.

>>11806112
I don't understand why are you larping as tuff guy here. You are the one reading about unicorns in spaaaaace instead of, I don't know, something good.
If anything I should be offended by your lack of taste.

>>11806143
All right, then what are you even doing in this thread?

>>11806156
Shitposting, as should be quite obvious.

>>11806156
Calling you out for reading shitty space opera while watching CYBERSLAV.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3k5KWFnnXK4&feature=youtu.be

>>11806161
Funposting, anon. Shitposting sounds too aggressive.

>>11805879
Stop reading bad stuff.
Read good stuff instead.

>>11806191
Reading the good stuff does not guarantee that you will write the good stuff.

>>11804852
>Litrpg
Wtf no

>>11806202
There's never any guarantees when it's about creativity. It's the first step in the right direction tho

>>11805879
>>11806191
Yeah I gotta say, reading universally hated books isn't a good idea but reading a few bad or just very mediocre books can actually teach you a lot about what NOT to do. It's a positive learning experience.

>>11806143
>>11806183
>getting worked into a shoot by space opera
lol what kind of cuck are you?

>>11806242
>It's a positive learning experience.
You'd think most here would stop after the third or fourth book in the twelve book shitfest.
They don't think it be like it is, but it do.

>>11806251
I think this is why I refrain from reading books in a series, unless it's maybe three books.
The ridiculous length and meandering scope of the Count to a Trillion stuff burnt me bad. The first two or three were okay but after that... Also Jesus Christ, just using a thesaurus isn't good world-building.

>>11806112
yeah man how dare people be comfy

>>11806264
>2deep4me :(

Asoiaf is Goat

If your going to write as something as bottom of the barrel as LitRPG, then at least go full balls to the wall. Have the MC fuck his mom while riding a dinosaur and then proceed to fuck the dinosaur too all while the ghost of Sigmund Freud watches. Why? Because why the fuck not.

>>11804852
>LitRPG Edition
Obligatory

Looking for a recommendation, pick any 3 below and post the name of the book.

>Very short, but many books in the series
>Dark storyline
>Fantasy + Magic preferred, but not necessary
>Not a lot of romance

Would really prefer:
>Is actually a complete series as of right now

>>11805067
Flora a sisterfu

>>11807046
Earthsea
Books of Blood
Ryhope Wood
Anything Lovecraft

I really like the Foundation trilogy by Asimov because it has this feel which seems to be caused by the fact that it was writted before Turing invented computers, so even though it's in the far future with faster than light space travel and all that high-tech stuff, there's no computers, no all-encompassing surveillance, no inescapable telecommunications network. People still rely on books, newspapers, and delivered notes. Since digital wasn't a think yet Asimov seemed to think the future of tech would be crazy nuclear stuff like nuclear-powered personal radiation shields and levitation and shit. It makes so that even though it's in interstellar galactic space it still has this old feel, where revolts and rebellions against empire are actually believable or even expected. Any other sci-fi combine FTL interstellar travel with the non-existence of digital electronics?

>>11807082
Will check those out, never got that much into Lovecraft's way of storytelling though. Is earthsea disliked here? Don't come here much, wondered why you covered it

>>11807187
I think there's one guy who keeps saying it's dated and obsolete shit every time it's brought on.

>>11807096
I'm kinda sick and tired of how super digital sci-fi has become. I mean of course that makes sense since everything is digital now, but I definitely miss "analog" sci-fi. Felt grittier.

So I downloaded an epub of Vinge's A Fire Upon The Deep and its full of annotation links and random cruft like ".Delete this paragraph to shift page flush"
So I've been trying different editions and every one is fucking different it seems.
Some with/without that cruft, with/without notes, diagrams/no diagrams, so weird.

Not sure which edition to go with. When I grab free ebooks from libgen sometimes they have random shit and formatting errors. Would I be better off just buying a paper edition?

>>11807516
The book is notable enough your local library system probably has it.

>>11806038
>quoting a fake name author that's actually two authors

Who found it epic, Abraham or Franck?

Anyone got Port of Shadows epub / mobi?

>>11807660
http://www.mediafire.com/file/wa7bfd5444a010p/Glen+Cook+-+Port+of+Shadows+-+A+Chronicle+of+the+Black+Company+%28.epub%29+%28azw3%29.rar

>>11807710
Thanks friend-o

Is there any good LitRPG?

>>11807096
The most obvious recommendation is to read old books. Heinlein is really hit or miss but he has this feel. Unlike Asimov, it's the result of deliberate philosophy: he believed that technology + increased population density eventually made all settled societies repressive and selected their inhabitants to be drones. Solution: settle the infinite frontier of space. Try Tunnel in the Sky, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, Have Spacesuit Will Travel.

Vance is much more laid back and ambivalent than Heinlein (and he's on a whole other level in terms of style). Check out Demon Princes, Cadwal, Little Big Planet, The Languages of Pao.

Vernor Vinge: A Fire Upon the Deep and A Deepness in the Sky.

>>11807096
Alfred Bester didn't write about FTL iirc but he's another great scifi writer from yesteryear. Start with The Demolished Man or the short story collection Virtual Unrealities

>>11807046
The Amber books by Roger Zelazny hit a lot of those points

>>11807046
Dune (Frank Herbert only)
The Demon Princes

Are there any fantasy books dealing with mermaids or an undersea fantasy world with mythical creatures?

>>11807988
>>11807981
>>11807328
>>11807096
Another thing about the Foundation is that it kind of reads like history. Not historical fiction which is a fictional story in a historical setting, but a fictional history. It's almost like reading Herodotus or Gibbon or something where you keep timeskipping from generation to generation with each generation having its own set of main characters/players, because it's about a culture/civilization as a whole rather than a group of characters' narrative in that setting.

Apparently Janny Wurts (Wars of Light and Shadow, and co-author of the Riftwar: Empire series) got really screwed over by both her US and UK publishers a while back and is having financial issues as a result.

>>11807926
I had a idea a while back about using the genre as a framing device for cyberpunk sendup of "nerd culture" shit, with corporations using exploitative alternate-reality games, loot crates, "content influencer" shit to keep people docile and enslaved.

now obviously this is absolutely not what people who read litRPG would be interested in.

>>11808090
On that note what are some other "fantasy/scifi but it's a history book" stories? I read Robert Charles Wilson's Julian Comstock a while back and thought it was entertaining, though it was framed more as a memoir/biography from the titular character's friend.

And there's also Sir John Hackett's Third World War, which was written as a "how a non-nuclear WW3 could happen" via the framing device of being a history book.

>>11808003
One of the Witcher short stories.

Just finished this, what did I think of it?

>tfw no Corwin bf

>>11807046
Discworld?

I had to push the deadline forward two days because I will be traveling and unable to post the 30th.

>>11808759
Suits me fine, given how slow my reading's been. Too busy writing my own shit.

>>11807046
Chronicles of Amber unironically

>>11804852
>LitRPG Edition
>I feel like a brainlet
>fail to make a correct thread start
It's like pottery.

>>11808831
Best series I have ever read, bumping this

Anything where the main character has a good pupper that plays a large part in the story?

>>11809000
realm of the elderlings

What in the absolute fuck is going on with the structure.

Would you read a fantasy book in which every single female character gets raped? The protagonist's love interest would only be raped by the protagonist, of course.

>>11809112
It's been done.

Write one where every single MALE character gets raped, and I might read it.

>>11809123
>It's been done.
Which books?
>Write one where every single MALE character gets raped, and I might read it.
I'm not a homo so no.

>>11809112
Pretty sure I already read BotNS

>>11809112
I've already read Gor.

https://brandonsanderson.com/books/skyward/skyward/
"Exclusive" preview: https://pste.eu/p/sarp.html
thoughts?

>>11807710
Thanks you mister

What is the worst fetish that can be used in fantasy novels? I think it's femdom. It always makes me think of the author as some pathetic loser that's obviously writing it because it gets him off and it takes me out of the book completely.

>>11809190
cuckoldry

>>11809190
Loli femdom though...

>>11809219
any recs?

>>11809221
No, but the book I'm currently reading has the 20 year old protag end up becoming homeless and he meets a 16 year old girl who is also homeless and when they meet for the first time his ribs are broken so she scrounges through the trash to find him some painkillers and it's very sweet.

>>11805212
Is it the english equivalent to Japanese game-world-Isekai?
Why did anyone think that's a good idea?

>>11809063
This is not a good book

>>11809260
Because Isekai is infuriatingly popular among plebs and as such makes boatloads of money?

>>11809271
Does it make boatloads of money though?
LitRPG seems awfully dead to me in regards of popularity, compared to game Isekai.

>>11809290
>Does it make boatloads of money though?
The most profitable of it does. That's enough for hundreds if not thousands of hacks quickly writing down their own shit and vomiting it out to Amazon, at hopes of cashing in on the motherload. It's almost like Gold Rush except you don't even have to get up from the computer and stop masturbating.

>>11809226
Name of the book?

>>11809381
The Name of the Wind

>>11809412
The name of the author?

>>11809478
No, the name of the wind.

>>11809478
>>11809482
lel

>>11809000
Moving Pictures
The Truth

>>11809478
I just tried Bing, DuckDuckGo and Google. Literally the first result.

Does historical fiction count as fantasy?

>>11809542
If you have to ask, it probably doesn't.

>>11809542
desu historical fiction is basically the same genre as scifi/fantasy, only the setting is different. I guess you can get away with less exposition based on assumed knowledge of historical events from the readers, but

>>11809602
>Tolstoy is SF&F
BRB; making you a thread to expound upon this revelation to outer /lit/.

>>11809627
please link

>>11809627
>that time I claimed that mythology is SF&F in the OP and everyone got butthurt

>>11809602
but what

>>11809696
>when you realize mythology isn't just Zeus and blue-armed multi-wiping Pajeet gods

>>11807096
Dune my dude, literally exactly what you're on about. Closest thing to computers they have are savants conditioned from birth to perform insane calculations in their heads while under the influence of mind altering drugs.

Is there any "interactive fiction" on Steam that's worth a read?

>>11807187
Earthsea is really good. Read the first 4 and enjoyed them all.

Go for it

>>11809893
Here is a very good science fiction visual novel that was just translated.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/857450/ISLAND/

>>11809893
>>11809903
Also here is a review of it, to give you some idea of what the game actually is without spoiling too much, since the Steam page doesn't really make it seem like a science fiction work.
https://vnreviews.blog/2016/05/19/vn-island/

>>11809260
Kinda but not exactly, Isekai is essentially a offshoot of portal fantasy: through death you can become a cool person in another world. But litRPG is lamer and worse, it's literally just people playing video games, let's plays of fictional MMOs.

>>11807046
Prince of Thorns is what you are looking for

>>11804867
Best waifu.

>>11804852
What is the Moby-Dick of Sci-Fi/Fantasy?

>>11810195
Moby Dick

>>11809893
i know it sounds weird. but try out funbag fantasy(kyonyuu fantasy)
i came for the faps and stayed for the story. seriously. i dont even know how it happened.

>>11808885
you forgot
>double spacing

Can anybody recommend any libertarian utopian novels? Feels like socialist like utopias are a dime a dozen, but I'm interested in reading about the other side of the extreme.

>>11810485
This Other Eden comes to mind.

>>11810485
The Moon is a Harsh Mistress
The Powers of the Earth (inspired by the above)
The Golden Age

>>11810195
Philip K. Dick

>>11810261
>i dont even know how it happened
I can think of a few reasons.

>>11809381
Empire of Silence

>>11809542
The Warlord Chronicles by Cornwell is probably the best example of historical "fantasy." The "magic" in the series is left up to the reader to decide if it's actually real or not (unless Cornwell himself has said it's real or not.)

I just finished reading Tales of the Dying Earth (Dying Earth + Cugel + Rhialto).
What now? I really liked the style and I'm in the mood for similar stuff instead super serious fantasy/sci-fi.

>>11811475
Read Vance's other stories if you haven't. The Dragon Masters is great.

>>11809542
Depends on how fantastic it is. Umberto Eco's Name of the Rose for example is simply a story that took place in the past. On the other hand Mary Gentle's Ash: A Secret History uses a similar "translation of lost medieval documents" framing device but turns out to be very fantastic.

There's also the Aubrey-Maturin series, which has descriptions of ship parts to rival a science fiction novel except it's like 180 years in the past and the ships aren't in space. (David Drake was heavily inspired by it for the RCN series, which IMO is one of the best modern space opera/adventure series out there)

>>11809893
The House in Fata Morgana is really good.

World End Economica is by the Spice and Wolf author and is about day traders on the moon. Might be worth holding off on it for now though, since a new translation of the first game was promised ages ago.

The Fault - Milestone series.

Muv-Luv.

uh, Kindred Spirits on the Roof. I can't think of anything else that's super notable for having a quality story.

>>11811475
Both Cugel books?

The Demon Princes, Tschai, Cadwal--all excellent series by Vance. If you're looking to stay in the light-hearted vein of Cugel and "Rhialto the Marvellous", I would try "Showboat World", "Space Opera" or "Ports of Call"+"Lurulu".

Honestly, you could almost close your eyes and point at a Vance bibliography to pick something worthwhile. If you like the style, you've got a lot of entertaining reading ahead of you!

What's a good sci fi or fantasy book that isn't part of a fucking series

>>11811908
The Dragon Masters

>>11811908
the fifth head of cerberus

>>11811908
I bet his dick is bigger than mine.

>>11807046
Everworld by K.A. Applegate

>>11810498
Nice, I'll check it out. Thanks anon.
>>11810634
Who is the golden age by? Gore Vidal? I found a few. But thanks anon, second one sounds really good.

>>11811994
that's not saying much for him

*ascends your genre to new heights*

Is the Barsoom series worth reading?

>>11812170
>destroys Lovecraft's legacy because he a cracka ass cracka

>buy real fantasy book for like 10$ and get like 800-1000 pages of content that may or may not be comfy
or
>find a chink novel thats readable and then download the pdf for free
>40+k(!!!!) pages
How can western media even compete? Someone recc me some chinkshit with a good number of transated chapters. Ive read WMW DE Age of adepts MGA and martial world and liked all of them except MGA.

Also just a thought on why ricebooks are so based. Sffg is by its very nature low brow wish fulfilment (dont pretend its not just because Wolfe thinks hes in the same genre as Borges) so why would you pay for much less time enjoying a book then you get for free? I know you can get pdfs of most books if you look hard enough but it's not easy especially for slightly obscure books. Actually if anyone has a website where i can get pdfs of books for free please link it.

>>11812015
John C. Wright wrote The Golden Age.

>>11812292
might give it a go, got a brief summary of some of that chickshit to help filter some of it?
free ebooks are usually here; forum.mobilism.org and/or libgen.io, but its mostly in epub/mobi

What's some readable steampunk?

>>11812595
i reccomend warlock of the magus world if you dont want to go too chinky or desolate era if you dont mind it. Chinkshit as a rule is pretty much power fantasy wish fulfilment so don't expect anything other than comfy amoral characters trying to increase their own strength.

>>11808233
Pure garbage.

>>11811908
Well presuming you're not accepting 2-3 book/novella stuff that's been later published in a collected edition:

The Icarus Hunt by Timothy Zahn. Fun space adventure/mystery story, I've read it several times and it's still entertaining since I've generally forgotten the twist between readings.

Curse of Chalion by LMMB, kinda. It's a series but more of a "connected works" thing, the first book is effectively standalone since the second is about a different character, and the third is set 200 years before the other two.

Passage at Arms and The Dragon Never Sleeps by Glen Cook. Two standalone scifi novels that are good, the first is essentially a Das Boot style story about the crew of a stealth ship (it's technically a prequel but is standalone), while the other is a very tightly written space opera.

>>11812278
>lovecraft's legacy

settle down pajeet.

>>11812893
>settle down pajeet.
Project somewhere else, third-world turd.

>>11812916
Strike a nerve there, Mr. Joshi?

>>11812919
>says the redditor who was triggered over Lovecraft

>>11807096

Jack Vance has computers in his Demon Princes series, but its in the form of a gargantuan central server with terminals you can visit and ask questions and then come back later for the answer, imagine an automated librarian who still takes vast amounts of time for what it should take.

The result is a very stretched thin region of space that struggles to maintain law and order.

Anyone read Xeelee: Redemption already? It just came out a couple weeks ago and I'd like to know if it's good since I really enjoyed Vengeance.

Anyone have an epub of Redemption?

>>11812170
Is she worth a read, or will I be bored because I don't give a fuck about blacks and gays?

I've been thinking recently about what it is that makes modern fantasy so inferior to things like anime and visual novels, and I think the reason is that anime and VNs act as wish fulfillment for the reader, while modern fantasy acts as wish fulfillment for the author. For example modern fantasy books will be filled with whatever fetish crap the author particularly likes, like cuckoldry etc., and not fetish crap that will appeal to the reader. That's what makes the difference.

>>11813497
All those other things have multiple authors and writers, occasionally also corporate masters and investors, all of whom have their own desires - so in the end it all tends to even out and only the lust for money and recognition wins through, and the only way to get that is to appeal to the audience.

But books only have one author, so that one author can put in whatever the fuck he wants.

>>11813441
>Is she worth a read
lol no.

>>11813525
Yeah that's why books suck.

>>11813266
Hard science fiction is a meme, anon.

>tfw you fuck up and start another unfinished series

I miss the days when translator groups tried to get material out as quickly as possible.

>>11813532
Have you read any of her work?

So, what's /lit/'s opinion on Malazan book of the fallen?

I am currently just finishing the Moon Gardens and I am equally confused and entertained.

>>11813665
>inb4 pasta

>>11813533
it's actually why they're the best

>>11813678
What pasta?

>>11813682
The pasta by the guy who hates it and posts every time he sees Malazan mentioned

>>11813678
>>11813682
>>11813684
But the pasta is correct. Malazan is terrible.

>>11813684
Does that mean /lit/ hates the Malazan or is it just that guy? I was asking about the general opinion

>>11813694
Just that guy and one or two of his friends. The general consensus is quite positive.

>>11810485
What's so utopic about a lack of roads?

>>11813694
There's a couple fanboys but for the most part /lit/ hates Malazan.

>>11812292
>the size of book is an indicator of quality
Sheer brainletism

>>11813711
>There's a couple fanboys but for the most part /lit/ hates Malazan.

>>11813665
>female warriors

>>11813728
>muh feminism is bad

>>11813727
Just because you're generally louder doesn't make you either more numerous or more in the right.

What's with this new surge of faggots going "plot holes don't matter"?

>>11813738
The job of a fictional story is to entertain - it's not to force-feed the author's values down the reader's throat.

>>11813744
I haven't noticed such, where do people say that?

>>11813738
I didn't mention feminism.

>>11813746
Oh sure, we can agree on that but this is not the case of force-feeding. Besides, it's fantasy fiction. It's supposed to be unrealistic.

>>11813680
Reading some fat loser's cuck fantasies isn't "the best".

>>11813758
>Besides, it's fantasy fiction. It's supposed to be unrealistic.
Please stop talking about things you don't understand.

>>11813665
About 8 books to long.

>>11813758
There's different sorts of "unrealistic". Things that don't exist in our world at all are far easier to accept than things that DO exist but work wrong. Your mind will readily accept the presence of magic and dragons, as they're suitably far removed from our reality to not muck up with what we know to be real... but in our medieval times women didn't fight, let alone have literally half of every army be women, so it clashes with what we know much more. It'd be the same as Samwell Tarly getting a lot of exercise and shit but never losing weight: fat people lose weight when shit goes down.

It's like an Uncanny Valley for realism.

Just finished the Empire trilogy. I read Magician 10 years ago but couldnt get through it. Should i pick it up again? Is it worth pushing through to A Darkness at Sethanon?

>>11813799
I couldnt get through Silverthorn*, finished Magician.

>>11813750
Since people shit on TLJ for all the absurd amounts of plotholes people have been making videos and saying plotholes don't matter in general and that it's all about themes. Ignoring that themes are only as good as the plot executes them. Notable example of this is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9HivyjAKlc

>>11813964
I can tell I'll dislike that fellow just by looking at his face.

>>11813964
The concept of "plothole" was invented by blue eyed devils to keep the black brotha down

>>11813964
Not just TLJ, it was people who got asshurt about people who pointed out issues in A Quiet Place too.
>I-it's a great movie if you ignore the fact the characters are retarded!

>>11813964
I actually liked TLJ much more TFA.

TFA was basically Star Wars, except shitty in every way.

TLJ, in contrast, was basically this article https://www.weeklystandard.com/jonathan-v-last/the-case-for-the-empire as a movie.

All of the plot holes and the bizarre direction makes sense if you realize that the rebels are the bad guys in TLJ.

Complaining about plotholes is fine, but often the things that people complain about as plotholes are not actually plotholes. A character being flawed or acting in an illogical manner is not a plothole, for example. I don't have any particular instances in mind when I say this.

>>11813266
I'm glad I caught this post. I forgot all about Redemption. There is an epub on mobilism

>>11813008
You should be able to get similar results with a modern SF with high-tech computers if you just simply don't go the FTL route. Say there are a couple of years before a message arrives, and then as many years more before you get the reply. A controllant will travel far more slowly than the speed of light. Play around with cryo-tech, and maybe some time dilation depending on what speeds you go with. You could easily have decades before a central response team is able to react even in the best case scenario, and that seems to me like many attempts at empires or whatever would inevitably lead to being thinly stretched out.

Computers have little, if anything, to do with it imo.

>>11813763
What the fuck kind of absolute dog shit are you reading?

I bet you twats don't even remember AE Van Vogt

>>11813441
The protag of her award winning broken earth trilogy decides to kill all humans because she feels ethnically oppressed.

Why does Zelazny make such a big deal of how much Corwin loves Deidre when she doesn't do anything?

>>11814433
That's exactly why he has to make a big deal about it. If she DID do something, their love might be obvious and need no explanation.

Did this while being bored on work. How did I do?

>>11814585
You really do like your memes don't you

>>11812680
As a followup, is there good cyberpunk that focuses more on the -punk aspect? When I see recommendations online it never seems to be as street-level.

>>11812680
The wind-up girl maybe?

>>11814639
Haven't read it, but maybe Synners by Pat Cadigan

>>11812680
The Anubis Gates
>>11814646
Not even remotely related to steampunk.

>>11813769
>but in our medieval times women didn't fight,

This is not borne out by the historic record.

>>11814585
>not recommending BotNS for people that like fantasy
>implying Brave New World is hipster tier
>recommending The Martian
>implying Do Androids Dream is noticeably similar to Blade Runner
I guess that chart have some potential but you need variation and less mainstream books. Everyone have already been recommended most of the books in your chart.

>>11814724
Yes it is.

>>11804852
The fuck is a litRPG? I personally enjoy reading RPG system books, because of the fluff and because I enjoy seeing how the rules handle the game simulation and such; is that it?

>>11814760
>variation and less mainstream books
If he took any risks he might not get that warm and fuzzy feeling of fitting in on a Dagestani cockfight atrium

>>11814784
No, it's fiction about playing RPG vidya, and it's just as braindead as it sounds

>>11814789
I'm sorry, but that cannot be a thing; you're 100% pulling my leg here. What's the genre actually called so I can look this shit up?

>>11814807
Look up LitRPG on Wikipedia and read the sources and shit

What would be the best approach if I wanted to buy a certain author's (Willaim Gibson's) entire bibliography? Should I just mass order from Amazon?

>>11813665
I read the first book, it's fun but not great. Too much divine asspulls and overpowered dudes overshadowing the heroes's actions.
But it's not a bad read

>>11814724
>This is not borne out by the historic record.
Yeah that was one retarded post too many.

Help guys, I was wondering where my story can go. I'm not an aspiring writer or anything, just do this for fun but it's my first world and I'm getting stuck on the storyline.

>tfw just spent a month building a magic system and all the nuances of the world under this system
>fast forward to now - can't figure out how to add a villain into the mix

The story was of how two men, when researching magic, end up inventing a weapon that allows them to get stronger when they kill someone, and their lust for power leads to events that end up killing 99% of the population. This destroys a large part of the planet and almost all knowledge of the magic is lost.

A thousand years later, a small kid discovers the weapon, unintentionally kills someone, and gets stronger. Now I wanted the kid to be the protagonist, but can't think of what the end goal would be.

The kid journeys to the school of magic and learns way too fast because of the power granted by the death. Now I'm just stuck at this point because the new world is filled with pretty primitive people and I can't think of something that could be the antagonist. I was so engrossed in the magic system that I forgot completely about battling evil and such.

My previous storyline about the destruction of the world is actually pretty detailed even though I wanted it to just be background for the second book, origins of the weapon, into to the magic system, etc that the reader can read after the "main" book to gain further insight. How do I think of a good antagonist, /lit/?

>>11814762
>>11815181
>no citations

>>11815229
>no citations

>>11812292
If you're not a plebeian, you'll give around the 20th chapter; it's rare for the chineese to produce anything of value.

>>11815200
make his goal to conquer the world and use it as a farm for people to kill. The absolute most based motive in fantasy is immortality. Maybe he thinks if he kills enough people he could eventually become a god or some shit.

>>11815272
I am a pleb, as you can probably tell by me posting on /sffg/. Also i 1000+ chapters of most of those series I posted. Western fiction is also dogshit, but its usually shorter and harder to find pdfs for. Also round eyes are less comfortable with characters that aren't cucks. Its refreshing to read a novel where the main characters motivation isnt to save the world or some boring shit.

>>11815200
Do you need a clear-cut villain? Would a couple of opposing factions be enough to get the ball rolling? Could the protagonist make some mistakes and end up seen as the villain, with him either turning to the dark side or just trying to survive? Wanting to bring back or save a loved one is a classic for a reason.

There are any number of ways to go about creating a conflict. Either that or see if you can create enough curiosity about the magic system and world building that you don't need an epic conflict for the reader to stay interested.

>>11815273
Interesting idea, I'll see if I can build upon it.
>>11815489
>Could the protagonist make some mistakes and end up seen as the villain, with him either turning to the dark side or just trying to survive?
I like this, thanks.
>create enough curiosity about the magic system and world building that you don't need an epic conflict for the reader to stay interested
Is there any book/author that does this successfully? I mean there's the Silmarillion, but it really wouldn't be as popular if LOTR wasn't a thing.

AntiAuthorAnon, I miss you.

>>11814980
You can pirate, then order the bibliography. Unless you want to collect. Then using a service like goodreads would help in collecting editions.

There's another website like goodreads, but more for pro critics, so I can't help you there.

>>11816058
This

>>11813758
>what are allegories?

>>11816346
>what is applicability?

>>11813766
>lol I have no idea what 'fantasy' means

>>11816548
>'fantasy' means anything goes

>>11816560
>fantasy must be realistic!

>>11816571
>fuck the rules, who needs 'em?

Why do I only read shitty pulp fiction from 40 years ago?

I tried reading Mieville and I just can't get past the second chapter, idk why.

>>11811475
Vance doesn't write bad books and even the bad ones are enjoyable if you like his belles-lettres.

>>11812292
if you can't find every single sffg book online then you have the big retard

you have to get really esoteric to find books that aren't easily pirateable.

>>11816783
Yeah, the main stuff I've had trouble finding has been niche stuff from people who don't publish through regular channels (eg, Graydon Saunders, who only uses Google Play because he doesn't like how Amazon treats its employees), older/obscure stuff that nobody remembers at all because it's small press or forgotten to the sands of time or had their careers killed because their publishing house shut down (eg, David Mace, a guy who wrote several good WWIII scifi novels but found that he wasn't making as much money as his regular job translating Russian), or niche things like furry fiction, erotica, serial fiction through patreon, authors who released one or two books and then dropped off the face of the earth, etc.

Though sometimes the book was on Mobilism or elsewhere at one point, but the links expired and it never got uploaded elsewhere.

Holy shit Wheel of Time is the cuckiest shit out there.

Hi my name is Ganymede Jean-Louis de la Trémoïlle, Duc de Thouars, Prince de Talmond, President of the Humanists, and I have long golden hair with a divinely radiant aura and diamond blue eyes like poisoned daggers and a lot of people tell me I look like Louis XIV (AN: if u don’t know who he is get da hell out of here!). I’m not related to Sniper but I wish I was because they’re a major fucking hottie. I have pale alabaster skin. I’m also a president, and I go to a palace called La Trimouille in France. I’m a noble (in case you couldn’t tell) and I wear mostly gold, ivory, or blue. I love the French aristocracy and I buy all my clothes from there. For example today I was wearing a silken waistcoat with matching lace around it and an ivory skirt, cobalt leggings and custom Humanist boots. I was wearing golden lipstick, white foundation, blue eyeliner and gold eye shadow. I was walking outside Romanova. It was snowing and raining so there was no sun, which I was very unhappy about. A lot of Masons stared at me. I put up my middle finger at them.

anyone got gene wolfe's essays in mobi/epub form?

castle of the otter and the like. thanks.

>>11816613
>>fast forward to now - can't figure out how to add a villain into the mix
>>11816571
>>11816560
>>11816548
>>11816351
>>11816346
>has schizophrenia

>>11815200
Make a distraction plot with like a creepy cult while your protags rich, snooty rival investigates how your protag is such a gary stu at magic and figures out the secret and then develops into a villain (or, who is then murdered himself by the seemingly altruistic professor your protag confided in who wanted the secret for himself all along and is coming for the protag now!!)

>>11817728
Good job, got a chuckle out of me.

I really need to get around to starting the second book.

>>11815648
>Is there any book/author that does this successfully?
I honestly don't know. Slice of life manga and anime can be good without a dramatic plot, even if there is usually something that be called a goal or maybe even a conflict to give it a story it's of secondary importance. I just want to see the same attempted in western movies and maybe books.

Well this was pretty good. Wasn't quite the 'blood and thunder' space opera I was looking for since it had more of a focus on politics, but still good. Unfortunately it seems this might end up being a LONG series that will probably take years and years to finish.

>>11817728
Don't remind me just how much fun I had reading the first Terra Ignota book. I went into it expecting next to nothing and I whizzed through it in something like two sessions over two days and it blew my absolute socks off. If I hadn't re-read it two months ago I would again. Fuck! It's such a good book.

Have you guys seen the wikipedia page?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terra_Ignota
Absolutely incredible work whoever fleshed all this out.

Reminder that Guy Gavriel Kay is the only fantasy author currently writing who isn't a giant hack.

>>11818601
Where do I start with him? Tigana?

>>11818607
That's probably the best choice, but it doesn't really matter.

>>11818601
he has such an unpleasant name

>>11813678
>>11813665
am I the Pasta? Because I was rather not enjoying myself. If you got nothing else to do you might read Malazan, but the first Book is by far the best entry and it goes downhill fast from there.

I have not read the entire series, only the first 6 books, then gave the prequels a chance and read through the first and half of the second prequel book before finally giving up

its not horribly bad
but its not good either by any measure, and the allure of the worldbuilding done in the first book falls apart once you get to look into the heads of more important decision makers, with the entire Tiste conflict and the fracturing of their race being crazily stupid

>>11818159
>blood and thunder
WHITE WHALE
HOLY GRAIL

>>11818234
t. wikipedia editor

>>11810195
BotNS, Dune, LotR

>>11818683
You have an unpleasant face.

>>11818998
you don't know that, guy

>>11805984
i want this too

>>11819002
I'm not your guy, buddy.

>>11814639
>>11814664
Synners is good. Also Eclipse by John Shirley has a guitarist as the main character. (Shirley was one himself.) But there's a revised version which hasn't been reviewed well so try to get the original that came out in the '80s.

>>11813763
I've never read a fantasy novel like this.
So you're saying all fantasy is bad because of one novel. Ok got it.

>>11814393
>>11819159
he's probably talking about kingkiller

>>11819173
Kingkiller is of course far from the only fantasy out there, but I think it still speaks volumes that it's currently the most popular and critically acclaimed one.

OFFICIAL FANTASY AUTHOR POWER RANKINGS

Tolkien>>>>>>>>>>Wolfe>>>Sanderson>Erikson>Howard>Pratchett>Martin>>>>>>>>>>Rothpuss

>>11819241
You forgot the king.

>>11819241
Tolkien>>>Howard>>>>>>>>Kay>Pratchett>Moor cock>Peake>Hobb>>>>>>>>>>Martin>Sanderson>Erikson>Cuckfuss

>>11819252
You forgot someone too.

>>11819241
>>11819252
Explain this Tolkientards

>>11819241
You forgot Guin you beast

>>11819279
le girl authors don't count

>>11819277
Goodreads is garbage.

There's your explanation. I will stick to it even if you show me an example of them with good taste for once.

>>11819277
The longer the series, the more inflated the ratings will be as only the people who like it most stick around long enough to rate the later entries which apparently makes Cuckfuss the best out of those

>>11819293
Also, people read new stuff and don't give a shit about all this old seventies garbage.

What are some major red flags for you /sffg/?

stuff like reading "a simple farm boy" in the summary or a romance plot being directly mentioned as a main selling point for the series

>>11819300
"New York Times bestseller"

>>11814230
I wish Baxter didn't have such a hardon for Poole, as a character, and I wish Poole wasn't the textbook definition of an autistic engineer.

>>11819300
>the author is american

>>11819277
Not enough women.

>>11819241
>>11819252
>No Roger Zelazny
Suicide yourselves

>>11819405
Literally who

>>11819300
"Hugo Award Winning"

>>11819409
Pleb

>>11819427
Is he the guy whose selling point is that his books have waifus in them? Is that it?

>>11819436
No, women barely play a part in his books.

>>11819441
Dara a waifu, desu.

>>11813665
It's confusing but you're supposed to go with it all through the long ass books and remember every single little detail that connects to some shit 800 pages later for the "AHA" moment. Fun with extremely enjoyable characters and storylines.

Just go with it and look up the shit you don't understand on the wiki.

>>11819293
A great illustrative example is the Honor Harrington series. The fans agree it shit the bed around Book 5 and became bad around Book 8, the top reviews for the recent books are 2-3 star ones saying stuff like "I'm really trying to figure out why I read all of these books." But every book has a greater than 4 star rating. The only people still reading the books are the people happy to put up with the flaws

>>11818159
>blood and thunder
You fantasy fags are such fags.

>>11819641

>>11819274
How come being able to kill every other author in that power ranking makes him a better writer?

>>11819641
What is this gay dumb shit.

>>11819644
Tolkien would fuck him up and tag CS Lewis in for the pin.

>>11819641
Why does it trigger you so much, reddit?

>>11819648
oglaf.
its basically moon over june but ironic instead of serious.

>>11819669
Also better art.

>>11819675
and it's actually good.

Asoiaf has some of the best characters in fantasy, why is it hated here again?

>>11819691
Because it completely dropped the ball after Storm of Swords, spending two books meandering about with meaningless bullshit instead of advancing the actual plot - and stopping to come out since altogether.

>>11819691
>>11819702
I think he just gave up.

>>11819663
I don't know about that nigga. Both of them were officers while Jordan was an actual grunt.
You don't get a Bronze Star for nothing.

>>11813702
Wow anon don't strain yourself making that joke

>>11819691
Well posters here who are tired of fantasy fags shitting up the general are hatin' cuz it's fantasy and the posters here who read fantasy, litRPG and other assorted shit are hatin' cuz it's a well written fantasy, head and shoulder above the crap they usually read.

Well, I just finished 2061: Odyssey Three, and it was okay. Not as good as the previous 2 books but still worth a read if you want to know what happens after Jupiter becomes Lucifer . Although there isn't enough focus on the Europans or how the monolith fucked up.

>>11819691
>Asoiaf has some of the best characters in fantasy
How so?

>>11819827
Because they were ripped off out of actual history.

>>11819832
So they're completely unoriginal?

>>11819845
Completely unoriginal, yet possessing a semblance of three dimensions and color for those that know nothing of history.

>>11819732
Officers had the highest casualty rate in the army though. And the Somme is a bit of a bigger deal than gunning down farmers from up high.

>>11819832
>>11819860

>>11819867
You are going about this all wrong.
Getting shelled non-stop by artillery will not make you any better at the kind of savage mano a mano conflict that Jordan is far more suited to.

>>11819860
>possessing a semblance of three dimensions and color
Oh no. My pretentious-meter just broke.

>>11819860
>yet possessing a semblance of three dimensions and color for those that know nothing of history.
lol

>>11814585

You have a really annoying voice.

Shall I make the next thread or is someone really itching to boner up another OP?

>>11820172
Depends. How much are you itching to whine about the OP being bonered?

>>11820180
Browbeating is how 4chan teaches. It's the most effective technique for we betas.

>>11820192
I'll make the thread as wrong as possible if you don't do it.

>>11820212
I'm looking for a suitable image.

>>11820224
Just post a Sanderson or something

>>11820289
>>11820289
>>11820289
Fresh bread lovingly crafted by artisan cave trolls.