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11777820 No.11777820 [Reply] [Original]

Is he worthy of literary analysis?

>> No.11777828

Perhaps.
His lyrics are way ahead of most other pop artists imo.

>> No.11777848

>>11777820
His lyrics with The Smiths maybe, but not because there's necessarily a wealth of meaning behind them, but because of his distinctive turns of phrases and literary allusions to better writers.

Ignore his solo career lyrics and his books.

>> No.11777849

>bulbous salutations
yeah, no

>> No.11777853

>>11777848
>Ignore his solo career lyrics
pleb detected

>> No.11777860

>>11777848
Have you listened to 'Late Night Maudlin Street'? imo it is his masterpiece.

>> No.11777861

>>11777853
> Spent the day in bed
Very happy I did, yes
I spent the day in bed
As the workers stay enslaved
I spent the day in bed

Wow really gets the noggin joggin

>> No.11777872

>>11777861
i didn't say every song was good.
but imo some of his best work is from his solo career.
you're the one making an absolutist claim that his entire solo career should be ignored, which is absolute pleb-tier thinking.

>> No.11777878

>>11777872
IMO his solo career lyrics don't match up to his work with The Smiths but honestly to each their own. I don't mind his solo work but I don't think it'd be worth considering it for literary analysis but I don't mind being considered wrong.

>> No.11777890

>>11777848
Why, his work with the Smiths is differentiate mainly by his work with Johnny Marr, who was brilliant. It's not that Morrisey alone is worse that with the smioths, it's just that with Johnny Marr he was brilliant. His lyrics are pretty much on par

>> No.11777894

>>11777861
One fine day - let it be soon!
She wont be rich or beautiful
But she'll be walking the streets
In the clothes that she went out and
Chose for herself.

****

You have never been in love
Until you've seen the dawn rise behind
The home for the blind.

***

Where the world's ugliest boy
Became what you see here
I am
The world's ugliest man.

***

It wasn't youth, it wasn't life
Born old - sadly wise
Resigned as we were
To ending our lives
I'm so glad to grow older
To move away from those awful times

***

All over this town
A low wind does blow
And I can see through everybody's clothes
With no reason
To hide these things I feel
And no reason
To talk about the books I read
But still
I do

>> No.11777896

>>11777894
cringe

>> No.11777906

>>11777896
why?

>> No.11777914

Trudging slowly over wet sand
Back to the bench where your clothes were stolen
This is the coastal town
That they forgot to close down
Armageddon, come Armageddon!
Come, Armageddon! Come!
Everyday is like Sunday
Everyday is silent and grey
Hide on the promenade
Etch a postcard :
"How I Dearly Wish I Was Not Here"
In the seaside town
That they forgot to bomb
Come, come, come, nuclear bomb
Everyday is like Sunday
Everyday is silent and grey
Trudging back over pebbles and sand
And a strange dust lands on your hands
(And on your face)
(On your face)
(On your face)
(On your face)
Everyday is like Sunday
"Win yourself a cheap tray"
Share some greased tea with me
Everyday is silent and grey

>> No.11779269

>>11777820
Bigmouth ohohoho haha! Bigmouth ladadada!

>> No.11779281
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>>11777820
Punctured bicycle
On a hillside desolate
Will Nature make a man of me yet?

When in this charming car
This charming man

Why pamper life's complexities
When the leather runs smooth on the passenger seat?

I would go out tonight
But I haven't got a stitch to wear
This man said "It's gruesome
That someone so handsome should care"

A jumped-up pantry boy
Who never knew his place
He said "return the rings"
He knows so much about these things
He knows so much about these things

I would go out tonight
But I haven't got a stitch to wear
This man said "It's gruesome
That someone so handsome should care"

This charming man
This charming man

A jumped-up pantry boy
Who never knew his place
He said "return the ring"
He knows so much about these things
He knows so much about these things
He knows so much about these things

>> No.11780222

its a shame moz is such a freak . his work with the smiths is incredible but is absolutely pulled down by his overworked mouth.

>> No.11780874

There's a country; you don't live there
But one day you would like to
And if you show them what you're made of
Oh, then you might do

>> No.11780896
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>>11777820
I like his lyrics on The Smiths but there are many lyricists in pop music that are just on another level entirely.
Pic related comes to mind.

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11780907

>>11780896
>are
Were

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>>11779281
>tfw you'll never be a charming man

>> No.11780982

And if you must, go to work, tomorrow
Well, if I were you I wouldn't bother
For there are brighter sides to life
And I should know, because I've seen them,
but not very often.

>> No.11781025

When I first listened to the smiths I thought he was just a melodramatic fag whose singing I had to tolerate in order to enjoy Johnny Mare's sublime guitar melodies. It was years before I paid real attention to his lyrics and realised what a funny cunt he is; his only comedic rival in the western popular music cannon is Seth Putnam.

But worthy of literary analysis? Not really.

>> No.11781054
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11781054

Burn down the disco
Hang the blessed DJ
Because the music that they constantly play
It says nothing to me about my life
Hang the blessed DJ
Because the music they constantly play

>> No.11781100

>>11777820
>Is he worthy of literary analysis?
the fact that you pose the question proves that he is.

>> No.11781153

>>11777820
No.

>> No.11781158

>>11777820
meh, alex turner is a better lyricist

>> No.11781167

>>11781153
congrats, you just engaged in literary analysis of Morrissey
QED

>> No.11781171

>>11777848
>Ignore his solo career lyrics and his books.

100% know-nothing pleb, not even as an insult really, you just are.

>> No.11781185

>>11777820
No

>> No.11782418

>>11777848
>But because of his distinctive turns of phrases
What do you mean? does somebody have an example?

>> No.11782439

>>11781158
Not anymore, maybe he used to be

>> No.11782792

>>11782418
The pain was enough to make a shy, bald Buddhist reflect
and plan a mass murder

***

Grab him by the gilded beams
That's what tradition means

***

Would you let me cry
On your shoulder,
I've heard that
You'll try anything
Twice

>> No.11782809

>>11777848
His lyrics stayed consistent. His solo albums were hit and miss, but so was the albums he did with the Smiths. There isn't a single Smiths album that is an enjoyable listen from front to back, even Meat is Murder and The Queen is Dead.

>> No.11782812

>>11777890
>Johnny Marr, who was brilliant
>ruins Modest Mouse then releases a shitty britpop album in fucking 2014

>> No.11782814

>>11780222
I like him more for it. The same applies to Kanye West. I like having pop stars that actually have personality and aren't afraid to say controversial things, especially nowadays when the pop industry seems more manufactured than ever.

>> No.11782912

>>11782814
>aren't afraid to say controversial things
so you just like them ultra-rich? because that's all it is. kanye west could call himself a maoist tomorrow and join the kkk next week because his money buffers him from actual human existence to such a degree that nothing he says has any meaning or consequence other than as moves in an abstract game played with public opinion, like a large-scale version of 4chan shitposting. he might as well be a greek god in the iliad, how could anything he does be admirable when there is nothing really at stake for him?

>> No.11782927

>>11782912
I never said it was admirable, I just like having people with actual personality be famous.

>> No.11782993

>>11782912
What you're saying isn't untrue, but neither is it relevant to what you're replying to.

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11783034

>Keats and Yeats are on your side

>> No.11783080

>>11777878

Have you really listened to Vauxhall and I? Say what you want about his solo career but that's the greatest album he has done. By a large margin.

>> No.11783125
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11783125

Tell me friends, where does this littérature rank:

I told them how my wife had fallen into sickness.
They had to call out her name with questions on her tongue.
We had always been so happy that at first
I wasn't sad because I thought my love could keep her strong
But, but I never thought so wrongly
For the fever fought too strongly
And it seemed she never fought at all

Soon she died, and I despaired
Upon the love seat we had shared
So many times on pleasant afternoons.
I tried and tried to understand why love itself could not command
My true love from the comas of her mind

Now, empty, open and foreboding, stretching out like darkened clothing
Somehow stained with silence and with fear.
Death had brought its separation,
Giving me an education of a dull and slowly drifting day.
I filled my emptiness with sorrow,
Taking what I could not borrow
From the friends I finally drove away

Yes, my life was nearly ruined,
Till I saw what you were doing.
Now, now I strive to keep on serving you.
Life is good but I am better,
For I feel at last I let her go because I finally found the truth.
Sadly now, I see the answer.
All her life she was a dancer,
But no one ever played the song she knew

>> No.11783156

>>11783125
4.5/10. 5.5 as a song.

>> No.11784650

>>11777820
morrisey is literally modern day proust

>> No.11784672

i really don't know and i really don't care

>> No.11784680

>>11782439
The new record contains some of his best lyrics, what are you on about?

>> No.11784728
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11784728

Oh!
There's panic on the streets of Timperley
Between the post office car torque and NatWest Bank
Where the council came and chopped a great big tree down
And I've just finished filming
The title sequence for me fantastic shed show
When the four hundred year old copper beech
Became the victim of a freak blustery-windy-thingy

Oh it annoyed the Yorkshire film crew
Because it's spoilt the continuity
And the producer was mad just like a rock'n'roll dad
I mean mum

Hey it's lunch time
So
To the Naked Child to drink some fantastic half shandy
And the jukebox that constantly plays
Played absolutely nothing cause it's bust

So hail the bobbins barman
To get the landlord's tandy ghetto blaster
And his selection of audio cassettes
Of presenters illegally taped off Radio 1
Without the aid of a PRS license
But the see-through band played one at random
And when I heard it I just couldn't believe
It was Anne the DJ, Anne the DJ of Radio 1

I could just drink another half
I could murder a meat pie now
Get us one, will ya?
"Time, gentlemen please!"
I'll take it home.

From the East Way shops to Baguley Brook
You'll never see a poster of our favourite discey-jock
(Radio 1)

(Anne the DJ)

Oh Anne Nightingale what's your blinking game?!
I waited for your roadshow but your roadshow never came

And guess who I blame:
Anne the DJ, Anne the DJ ...

You know she is
She really is
Thank you

>> No.11784751

His idea of peak literature is Oscar Wilde. His music is great but he is terrible at everything else

>> No.11784759

>>11780896
Morrisey is on the same level as Smith

>> No.11784766

NO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8l1TXpQQMY

>> No.11784796

I heard his book was terrible. I love his song lyrics but they belong in a song and lose a lot of what makes them meaningful if looked at stand alone

>> No.11784890

>>11784766
I want to lynch this nigger

>> No.11784950

>>11784796
His autobiography is nice

>> No.11784967

>>11780896
>many lyricists in pop music that are just on another level entirely.
I love Elliott Smith. Who else do you consider to be on that level?

>> No.11785337

>>11784890
No one cares

>> No.11785369

How can anyone like Morrissey when his lyrics and The Smiths are the ultimate S O Y band?

>> No.11785421

>>11785369
>How can anyone like [SOMETHING] when its [BUZZWORD]?

>> No.11785428

>>11785369
There is nothing wrong with being soi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdOHPjMzY8s

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>>11785369
Old Morrissey is s o y, now he is a Chad

>> No.11785489

>>11777914
Jesus Christ Britain