/lit/ - Literature

First for worst

>fucks up the title
>doesn't post links to any of the previous threads
Nice thread you fucking retard. Next time either learn how to make a proper one or wait for someone who knows what they're doing to.

>>11763544
>First for best
Fixed.

>>11763548
Nobody cares.

>>11763548
Maybe next time you can show us how it's done, you useless backseat whiner.

>>11763548
Make it yourself rather than bitch next time

Lord of the Rings is really not that great.

>>11763733
What fantasy would you prefer over LotR?

>>11763738
The Kingkiller Chronicle.

>>11763557
You apparently do.

>>11763563
I'd rather be a backseat whiner than a fuckup

>>11763725
Make it right rather than being a retard next time then.

>>11763784
>I'd rather be a backseat whiner than a fuckup
You don't think you could do any better? Then you're both of those things.

Book of the New Sun is really not that great.

>>11763784
NPC spotted

Gormenghast is really not that great

>>11763733
Ken MacLeod described Heinlein's early writing as being so impactful that science fiction written since then has generally been "a debate with Heinlein."

I'd argue that Tolkien was even more impactful on fantasy writing but in a worse way, authors simply try to ape Tolkien instead.

A new short story collection by Ted Chiang is going to be released in May 2019.

>>11764361
Oh sweet, I loved Stories of your Life and Others

Enjoying listening to The Blade Itself on my commute to work. Have previously read all 3 books but decided to give the audio books a try. Can't wait for the inevitable TV show with forced diversity casting!

>>11764522
>TV show with forced diversity casting!
Don't remind me please. I know its my fault for having the smallest hope that the west would not fuck up the Witcher adaptation even though the show runner is a raging cunt who is constantly posting about liberal American politics on her twitter. Even if the minority Ciri turns out to be true (which I doubt because why not just say it's not true instead of letting this whole thing turn into a massive PR disaster?) the damage has been done.

Lenie Clarke is my waifu

I miss her now that I've finished the Rifters trilogy

>>11764556
>(which I doubt because why not just say it's not true

But it is true and Sapkowski gave it his blessing.

I for one welcome diversity in fantasy.

>>11764571
Nah, the ad itself seems suspect. It might be a hoax or one of the PR geniuses at Netflix having a brainfart. As for Sapkowski , he has publicly distanced himself from the Netflix adaptation. All in all, given that the head honcho (honcha?)is a total muppet this is going to be a shitshow of epic proportions, much more interesting than the show itself (kinda like Star Wars).

>>11764571
>he has publicly distanced himself from the Netflix adaptation

But he hasn't? He's the creative consultant for the show.

I suspect that, considering his dislike of the games, and because CDPR isn't involved with the series, it's a calculated move by him to give the middle finger to the "#gamer lyfe" types who've never read the books.

>>11764718

Meant to reply to >>11764665 instead.

Slave Thread Maker here.
I haven't read one of these threads since August 8th 2018... I see without me autisticly making the threads that the OP standard has dropped. I can't even find the old threads to catch up.

>>11764773
I don't remember a slave thread.

Who are you?

>>11764777
I'm the guy who made all the threads...
Fucking newfag

>>11764718
>But he hasn't?
Oh no, you are that contrarian retard. Put some effort into your trolling, every convo with you flows the same.
From a February interview with Sapkowski:

"Whilst not wanting to get involved in the development, in addition to providing the inspirational material, "The Witcher" saga has been adapted into a videogame series with great success. At this time, Netflix is in the process of pre-production of a series based in this saga. Are you involved in this project in any capacity?

In all adaptations, be it the first or the last, I am never involved in its development. From my viewpoint, the book is the book and the adaptation is the adaptation. Like Kipling said about the East and the West: "This is East and West is West, and the two will never meet". The adaptation and the original will never meet. The adaptation must be done by its adaptors. This is all I have to say about it because, as you might know, Netflix has signed a contract with me where it's explicitly listed that any information relative to the production I disclose will result in a severe financial penalty. Which is good for me because I do not know shit. So I cannot say anything.

So you're not involved in this production at all?

Absolutely. And it will always be so. Netflix has forgotten to include my personal opinion on the contract and my personal opinion is that I do not know, and will never want to know, anything about the production."

TL;DR - I ain't got nothin' to do with this catastrophe in making

>>11764791
>February

The stuff listing him as the creative consultant is from earlier in this month. But obviously things never change over time.

>>11764820
What does being listed as a creative consultant has to do with his opinion on the adaption?
He got payed and he wants nothing to do with it, in his own words. Unless you think that the supremely diverse Netflix muppets reached out to the ornery bastard and asked him "Can we pls make Ciri some trendy ethnicity and/or mix of races instead of white haired, green eyed beauty of Old Blood?". Riiiiight.
He has absolutely no say in the production. Full stop.

I'm back! Have you started reading yet?

>>11765218
I wish! I hoped they would've gotten my copy through the mail over the weekend, but no. Better luck tomorrow.

Any good books with an older protagonist?
Croaker-like.

>>11765462
Farmer Giles of Ham.

>>11765467
>Farmer Giles of Ham is a comic Medieval fable written by J. R. R. Tolkien in 1937 and published in 1949. The story describes the encounters between Farmer Giles and a wily dragon named Chrysophylax, and how Giles manages to use these to rise from humble beginnings to rival the king of the land.
Huh. Might actually read this one.

For the anon who asked about this story in the last thread:
>One was about some kind of intergalactic trucker at a pit stop who fucks an alien or talks about fucking different kinds of aliens with the gist of it being that mankind fucks anything that moves even if it causes him harm

"And I Awoke And Found Me Here On The Cold Hill's Side" by James Tiptree Jr.

>>11764361
nice.jpg
Story of Your Life is probably my favorite short story, even over Zelazny's. Idk if anything will be able to knock out of of place but Chiang is always surprising.

>>11765462
Curse of Chalion, fantasy, court intrigue
Gas, Sewer and Electric, fun sf, Ayn Rand is an AI

>>11765462
A number of David Gemmell books. He was a big fan of using over the hill characters going out for one last adventure.

Gonna start a new sub-genre called Space & Sorcery. Gonna be kino as fuck.

Any good books about a lone knight going on an adventure to save the world?

>>11765949
Three Hearts and Three Lions

>>11763531

Ye olde threads:
>>11749687
>>11738648
>>11723456
>>11707741
>>11700827
>>11683254
>>11676482
>>11665452

>>11765960
>isekai
No thanks.

>>11765994
Less soi please.

>>11765604
Chalion is good, and I don't really like fantasy.

>>11765742
Already exists though. Google Glynn Stewart.

>>11766007
>He finds the equipment and horse of a medieval knight waiting for him. The shield is emblazoned with three hearts and three lions. He finds the clothes and armor fit him perfectly, and he knows how to use the weapons and ride the horse as well as speak fluently the local language, a very archaic form of French.
Garbage.

>>11766016
See: >>11766007
Stick to Harry Potter and ASOIAF.

>>11766008
>Already exists though. Google Glynn Stewart.
>he thinks when I said 'Space & Sorcery' that I meant wizards in space

What is your favorite European-based historical fantasy novel?

>>11766546
Glen Cook's Instrumentalities series. It's a very thinly veiled version of the Mediterranean around the 1200s, so no Arthurian or Tolkien "idiot farmboy is the Chosen One" bullshit set in England. Main character is a soldier in the not-Ottoman empire who kills a demon with a early portable cannon and then gets sent to Italy to spy on not-Rome but ends up getting dragged into far more supernatural stuff.

>>11766016
>>11765994
>Three Hearts and Three Lions
>copyright 1961
>isekai

>>11766546
Hild by Nicola Griffith.
It's not fantasy although the main character pretends to be an oracle. It's a well researched, set in 7th century Britain.

>>11766132
>>11766707
"Woah, I'm suddenly in this parallel universe and I magically know how to do things and speak the language."
Only shitty stories start like this.

>>11766657
>Main character is a soldier in the not-Ottoman empire
you are a massive retard

any fantasy about christian monks or similar to that?

>>11766657
It's actually in the mid 1300s, you can tell because of several obvious tells. There's an Antipope in not-Avignon, a very unpopular pope in not-Rome trying to launch crusades everywhere, there's a guy whose name sounds a lot like Salahadin commanding the Islamic armies in the Holy Lands, and the main character is very obviously a Mamluk from the "Kaifate" of not-Cairo in not-Egypt.

It's actually pretty impressive how well researched the series is. If not for the fantasy magic stuff it could've made a very accurate historical fiction set in the 14th century.

>>11766744
>Narnia is bad
ok

>>11764361
I'm so glad he's finally decided to publish another book after only sixteen years. My asshole eagerly awaits the precious drops of literary cockchowder.

>>11766809
>It's actually in the mid 1300s

I dated it to the 1200s mainly going by the Not-Cathar Heresy that's going on in the books, since I hadn't read them in a while.

>>11766854
Chiang: bones rustle together beneath parchment hide as he slowly reaches forward to deliberately tap several keys. That's enough for today.
Wright: dashes off three blogposts and several chapters of his latest serial about a Civil War colonel fighting dinosaurs before heading to his day job as a Catholic youtube interviewee.

>>11766865
>Wright: dashes off three blogposts and several chapters of his latest serial about a Civil War colonel fighting dinosaurs before heading to his day job as a Catholic youtube interviewee.
Absolute CHAD.

>>11766865
"if Vulcans had a religion, it would be one that covers up sexual abuse of children by it's priests" -john c wright

>>11766854
Why would he recluse to watch anime?

Has there been any decent sword and sorcery stories written in the past 30 years?

>>11766994
No. Sword and Sorcery is a dead genre and should stay dead honestly. It's already been perfected; no need to rape the corpse like with epic fantasy. That being said there are modern writers who certainly have taken influence from S&S, but I won't be recommending any of them to you.

>>11767019
I understand, you have to save material for epic goodreads reviews and lists.

>>11766854
Did you read Superluminary? It read like a B-Side of the Eschaton Sequence. I don't regret reading it but it was too pulp for my taste and I don't think I'll be reading his other serial.

I'm pretty much reading the final two Malazan books for the sake of seeing it to the end, but after this I'm never touching any series longer than 3 books.

Fuck the epic fantasy trend, it's the Captcha of books.

>>11766994
not until my novel comes out in 2-3 years.

>>11766972
because that chart is pure autiism

>>11766994
Ehhhhh not really. The closest you'll get is the Kindle Unlimited dumpster and most of it is about as bad as the pulp that got published back in the day. And even then authors have largely abandoned the S&S themes in favor of either Abercrombie/Mark Lawrence style edgelord grimderpery, or silly Isekai-tier power fantasies about having a harem inside a VR-MMO.

King's Dark Tidings by Kel Kade, the Battlemage series by Stepehn Aryan and Chronicles of the Black Gate by Phil Tucker are the only ones I've tried that I didn't find overly offensive to my literary sensibilities.

Maybe also the Swords and Scoundrels series by Julia Tucker but that's more of a swashbuckling series with fantastic elements.

>>11766994
>>11767019
>Sword and Sorcery
I love Sword and Sorcery! I wrote some. I like to think that it'd be dec-
>>11767144
>Kindle Unlimited dumpster
Oh.

>>11766994
>decent
You be the judge.

>>11767019
>>11767144
I think there's a niche for it. All these isekais and grimderp flooding the markets, squabbling with one another and fighting for the scraps of readers, all the while S&S fans like myself languish in starvation and are forced to write our own shit for sustenance.

Is there anything similar to this?
I've read everything Alan Black wrote and Metal Boxes along with Larry Goes To Space were really enjoyable. what i want are basically humorous stories that don't take themselves too seriously. Doesn't have to be Sci-fi. Can be fantasy as well. I'm on a lighthearted book binge recently since i'm getting tired of grimdark edge stories and misery in pretty much everything.

>>11767351
Captcha ate my pic.

Has anybody read the Gardens of the Moon series and if so how is it?

>>11767440
>Gardens of the Moon
It's called Malazan. It's bloated, unfocused, way to long and generally well liked here.

>>11766809
>>11766858
It's actually an amalgamation of the two, he just chucked everything interesting in the time period together. You have Ghengis Khan doing stuff up North-East as well.

I remember a while back someone brought up a book about a retiered mercanary band who gets back together for one last job. I think it was supposed to have a lot of rock band parallels. Anyone help me out with a name?

>>11767353
Our enemies hide in METAL BAWKSES!!!

Sorry couldn't help myself.

>>11766657
Anon are you trying to ruse me?
I fall so easily for meme recommendations and the first book in the series, The Tyranny of the Night, has only 3.68 on Goodreads. Your average zombie fare hovers around 4 (I went through more than dozen of those books).

>>11767630
>taking Goodreads ratings seriously
Shadow of the Torturer only have 3.79.

>>11767939
But... Shadow of the Torturer is garbage.

>>11767943
The absolute state of this thread...

>>11767948
It's worse than Malazan.

>>11767948
>it's pretentious and meandering so it must be good!!11

>>11767971
>taking pride in mistaking something elaborate for something pretentious

>>11766804
Isle of Glass is about a monk who gets drawn into an adventure.

>>11767538
Kings of the Wyld, anon. it's lighthearted and fluffy and a pretty fun time. also, it has an absolute bitch-cheating-whore-slut of a wife in it, which is always fun

forgot image, desu

>>11768196
>one of them is a woman
dropped

>>11766804
There's a warrior monk order in some of Gemmell's Drenai novels called The Thirty that are basically a fantasy version of Christians. But none of the books are ABOUT them.

>>11768205
not actually a woman, just a retarded artist
there are wahmen, but they're not in the band

>>11768219
>no woman warriors
sexist
dropped

>>11766809
>main character is very obviously a Mamluk from the "Kaifate" of not-Cairo in not-Egypt.
ehh

>>11768225
it's about saving the daughter of one of the band meme-bers because she was a tard that got caught up in a siege, of course it's sexist, you filthy male ally

>>11768225
Don't worry anon, the sequel is about a bored tavern wench who joins up with them and gets to ass kicking!

>>11768238
plus, there are other women warriors out there, ally-kun
serious question
is the sequel any good? I knew it was a thing, but I feel like the OG book was good enough and that any other books in the same setting'd cheapen it a bit

>>11763531
So now that we've all agreed webnovels are the future of literature, what are your favorites and what are you reading now?

>>11767630
What a great set of tits.

>>11768260
>we've all agreed webnovels are the future of literature
You are a namefag. If you think something, it's hardly us all agreeing it.

anyone shelled out for Port of Shadows, the new Black Company interquel that apparently came out today?

>>11768260
I just finished the first Waldo Rabbit book. It was better than expected. Waldos autism does skirt close to being annoying at some points but it manages to avoid that for the most part and the way he's opening up is done fairly well. Will read the next couple at least.
I do wish I hadn't looked at the authors page though:
>Favorite Bands: Evanescence, Nickelback, Ozzy, Within Temptation, Avril
>Favorite TV: Naruto, Deathnote, Elfen Lied, XXXholic, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Angel, Star Trek
i mean, just.... y*kes....

>>11768297
>Favorite Bands: Evanescence, Nickelback, Ozzy, Within Temptation, Avril

Holy shit.
If you're talking about that rabbit anon whose publisher spelled his name wrong them I'm still gonna read his book.

>>11768319
Different guy. Out of that list I only like Within Temptation.

Thanks, though.

>>11767222
Nobody cares about your furfag book

>>11768324
I liked it

>>11768325
Go fuck a goat then

>>11768328
It has a deer person for you if that'd be close enough.

>>11768319
He doesn't mention any muscians on his author profile, thought it's still a bit cheesy for my taste.

>>11768322
Still going to read it once I get through my stack. I'll try to review it on goodreads when I do.

>>11766016
Yep, looks like isekai to me. Old shit is still shit.

>>11768297
Waldo Rabbit is a webnovel?

>>11763531
Are the Witcher books any good if I like the games? I know they're Polish so how is the adaption?

>>11768636
The books are decent if you know Polish and can read them in the original language, but the translation is one of the most atrocious I've seen anywhere ever.

I just bought this, what am I in for?

>>11768685
Probably shit, but at least it has delfs.

Are there any good books where the MC is a leader of a kingdom/city etc and actually leads? Not like Game of Shit where Jon becomes King and immediately abandons his people so he can become Daenerys' concubine, but actually leads them day to day.

>>11768714
Elric of Melnibone. He leaves at the end of the first book but it still counts.

>>11768702
Do you like dark elves anon?

>>11768702
If you like dark elves, read Drizzt.

>>11766546
>your favorite European-based historical fantasy novel
A Song for Arbonne probably, although it has hardly any fantastic elements in it IIRC.

>>11768724
Yes, if they are white (best option), grey, purplish blue or drow black. Brown shits need not apply.

>>11768732
>white
>dark

>>11768736
Yes, warhammer delfs are white, and you could probably find more examples. It's like black numenoreans.

>>11768736
>>11768763
Silmarillion had one dark elf too, and he was as white as any others.

>>11768732
While I respect your opinion there are finer elves out there.

>>11768788
>in same faction with savage races
meh
>>11768778
I forgot, but I don't think he was considered "evil".

>>11768808
I blame the writers.

>>11768724
>>11768726
>>11768732
>>11768763

Check out the nigger elf lovers in here lol.

>>11768788
This man knows what he's talking about. High Elves are clearly superior.

Around knife ears never relax

>>11768724
>>11768726
>>11768732
>>11768763
>>11768778
>>11768788
>>11768838
All rlves are shit. Purge them from the earth in the name of glorious mankind. Deus Vult!

Dwarves are bros though.

>>11768838
True.
>>11768850
I'm don't like brown elves though. I like pale delfs.

>>11768573
It's published solely online. I don't keep up enough to know if the author posts it chapter by chapter but it's all available on his webpage so that fits the definition for me.

>>11763531
which of Dunsany's stories are set in the mythology of Pegana?

>>11768726
What if I don't like Drizzt? Is there any other series or books that have Dark Elves in it?

>>11769113
Liriel Baenre.

She's even worse tho.

>>11763548
It's not that big of a deal, Anon. Relax a bit.

>>11769114
Lay it on me brother, how bad are we talking about?

>licked his toothless gums
>hissed
>grimaced

>>11769113
Malazan.

>>11769251
>inb4 pasta

>>11769257
He never said "good" series or books. No need for pasta.

>>11767967
>>11767971
>>11767943
bait
>>11767948
theyre messing with you anon

>>11769300
no I really just am an a unapolagetic pleb

>>11769185
*sucks porridge from his gums*

>>11769300
Yeah just meme with you and everything is fine

Can suggest me some mind fucking time travel books?
>inb4 Slaughterhouse 5

>>11764396
The story Exhalation is beautiful too. Similar theme.

>>11768856
You can't fuck dwarves anon.
Well maybe you can, you prancing homo.

>>11770068
You can't fuck elves either, anon.
Elves aren't real.

>>11770092
Unreal hot... unlike dwarves.

>>11769185
Makes me wonder what phrases and bits I might be using too much in my writing.

>Nigri
ew

Why do elves love humans so much /sffg/? Every story that I read involves some sort of relationship between a human and an elf.

>>11770453
Because elves are beautiful and perfect, and the authors of these things are human - so their own mary sue human characters of course have to end up with an elf.

>>11770344
I would 2bh. And you got to respect her hustle getting that market early on

>>11770453
Tolkien did it so they have to.

>>11770453
because most fantasy authors want to fuck an elf

Just finished Words of Radiance and it was one of the best books I've ever read. Fuck what /sffg/ thinks, Sanderson is a god.

>>11771007
Nah, he's a mormon.

>>11770186
That's what editing is for. Often you are blind to things that readers pick up on very easily.

>>11770186
>blew on their fingers to indicate scorching
I love him, but two or three times of that in a 300 page novel was ridiculous.

I just started Gardens of the Moon a couple of days ago and I have an important question: exactly HOW fat is Tattersail?

>>11771090
Not fat, THICC

>>11771007
How much anime do you watch?

Is Fifth Head of Cerberus a good place to start with Wolfe? I don't think I'm full pleb but I'm not particularly smart either.

>>11771374
None.

>>11767351
Look into Discworld.

You also sound like you'd like the Ciaphas Cain stories by Dan Abnett, also WH40K.

>>11768714
Lyonesse has quite a bit of this.

>>11771420
Yeah

>>11769113
There's other FR drow books that aren't about drizzt. I read one but all I can remember about is that they play warhammer at one point.

>>11771583
Not that guy but I just finished the first book of that and it was pretty good.
I'm about to order the second one but something in the description is very odd, it says that in book two King Aillas' true love Glyneth is carried off by a magician hired by Casmir.
That can't be right, can it? Does Aillas really steal his own son's waifu?

>>11771805
Do you want the answer or were you making a rhetorical complaint?
>Yes.

>>11771823
Both, I guess?
That's fucked up.

>>11771836
It might have been because of the plot device he uses in that book; it doesn't really work if Dhrune is the love interest. Glyneth is also several years older than Dhrune and Aillas needs a love interest with Tatzel pushing up daisies on the moors.

>>11770092
DLETE

>just finished re-reading LOTR for the first time in over 10 years
>somehow enjoyed it far more and it meant far more to me now than as a child
>literally nothing else that can fill the void of sadcore religious fantasy

why is everyone else such a hack, bros?

>>11772232
Tolkien was highly educated, extremely intelligent, had his spirit challenged in one of the bloodiest wars in the history of the world, knew to take his sweet time with the material he had, and genuinely loved his creations and started them from myths and legends and languages.

Very few fantasy authors today - if any at all - possess even ONE of these qualities, let alone more than one, let alone all of them. A man like Tolkien will never rise again. We'll never again read anything new quite like his works.

>>11772237
>A man like Tolkien will never rise again. We'll never again read anything new quite like his works.
What an appropriately Tolkien-esque sentiment, anon. There's a passage that comes to mind, something about a stone door rolling shut forever, I thought it was in the barrow wight chapter but I couldn't find it there.

>>11772419
Could have been the gate of Moria or even the sekrit entrance to Smaug's lair in "The Hobbit".

>>11772237
Woe unto us!

>>11772419
>>11772453
"The way is shut. Drums in the deep. They are coming."

>>11772659
Ahh, so that was it. What a great passage! Such tension.

>>11772237
We will most definitely see more men of Tolkien's calibre. We may not get to experience any more personally but rest assured that he is not and will not be a unique and solitary existence in the history of mankind.

Any sites were i can get the history and politic books?

Well done, Tolkien. HOWEVER.

>>11773087
tried libgen and #bookz?

>>11773094
>libgen

thx gonna look into it.

Also is there anything on the market like discworld? Since Pratchett passed away there is a gaping hole for me

>>11772237
>Very few fantasy authors today - if any at all - possess even ONE of these qualities, let alone more than one, let alone all of them.

Ahem

>>11773090
I liek that he is like tolkein but more mature cuz he writes about sex and he makes his characters swear and stuff and its like way grittier than tolkien and I think he clearly understands more about how dark the real world is not like tolkein who wrote from the perspective of a sheltered privileged white man and stuff and also his characters are smart cuz like tywin is really good with taxes he makes lots of money and is really stern so he's clever and also tyrion is really smartly cynical don't give a f*ck he says cock and fuck all the time and fucks whores even though he's an imp

>>11773121
I hate contemporary sci fi, and it's not a race issue, I enjoyed Butler's books. I read sci fi to forget about the culture war, not to be reminded about it.
I blame Americans and white guilt.

this any good? i like alternate history as a topic but i never actually read one where the nazis are the protagonists and portrayed as the good guys. i always though this shit would be outright banned on amazon or something and cause mad salt online.

>>11773145
>Nuttall

>>11773145
Read it and tell us how it was

>>11773145
>nazis
>good guys
The short description on fagmazon says that the reich is bad and also in a poor state due to rebellion. Doesn't sound like the nazingas are good or even the protaganists in this book.

Got my copy of Titus Groan.

Based on the first few chapters, it's pretty slow-paced and occasionally surreal as shit, but I can't say I'm disliking it.

>>11773167
redpill me on nutall. all i know is he wrote some space opera and a harry potter rip off with a girl as mc. never read any of his books.

>>11773239
He's a hack genre writer in the classic mold. Churns out competent fiction in volume.

>>11773540
So Sanderson but for Trump voters?

>>11772237
so you're saying the next great fantasy writer will be a Syrian.

>>11773620
Wouldn't bet on education and high intelligence.

>>11773623
>no education and high intelligence
>fantasy author

it's a lock.

Big up the anon who recommended me Light a few threads ago.

I really enjoyed it, even the weird, incredibly non-nonsensical parts. Is there anywhere with some discussion of this book and it's world? I have a lot of wacky questions.

>>11772659
>>11772453
Wasn't Moria or Smaug, I can't find it anywhere. Blogging: I actually read it in an Old English class of mine, we were talking about barrows and reading/translating The Ruin and the professor included the passage on the handout because Tolkien and Old English go together really well it turns out. So for all I know it's not even from Lord of the Rings, but it was definitely Tolkien.

>>11773748
Not that guy, but nice to see someone besides me likes it. For the most part people seem to feel lukewarm about Light and Harrison in general or even outright loathe him, which is weird considering they jerk over muh Wolfe

>>11771096
Graendal is THICC, the image I have of Tattersail is my high school science teacher: quite fat but just below obese.

Man I wish I lived in The Culture.

>implying the battle of Thaylen Field isn't the greatest bit of fantasy since Tolkien

>>11773885
Same
Fully automated luxury gay space communism when

>>11773886
You cannot have my pain.

>>11773886
I appreciate it finally broke shallan, annoying twat.

Just finished Consider Phlebas and I wanna continue with the Culture, what should I read next?

>>11773978
The Player of Games, obviously. If you managed to get through Consider Phlebas, it's perfectly alright to just continue in publishing order.

>>11768322
Sorry mate I made it halfway through your book but it just lost me at some point after they crossed the sea, you kinda ended a chapter with nothing going on and I just forgot about picking it up the next morning
I'll probably get back to finishing it as well

>>11774082
That's okay, man. I tried to make the story easy to get into, but by now I've gotten plenty enough evidence that I pretty much completely failed in this goal. You made it farther than many, and I do hope you'll pick it up again eventually.

I like to think I'm doing better with the things I've been writing since, though.

>>11774181
IIRC Sanderson said he wrote thirteen novels before getting published and people tend to say he's gotten better during his published era too. (whether some /lit/ autist likes his stuff or not is besides the point) Iain Banks said anyone's million first words are going to be shit and Murakami is embarrased about his couple of first novels that somehow got published despite him having pretty much no writing experience.

I'd say you're on a good path will certainly improve if you can keep the proper mindset.

>>11774260
>on a good path AND will*

>>11774181
>>11774260
What that kind anon said but you have to drop the furry.
It's unbecoming.

>>11774289
It's not furry, it's just a bunch of bunnies! You need to anthropomorphize and sexualize them first.

Even the book doesn't do the latter as much as I like to meme about.

>>11774289
austismal furbucks are a bottomless pit fyi

>>11774289
Haven't read the novel so I didn't comment on that, but now that somebody brought it up; it's pretty offputting even if it might actually be more like Disney films and not full-on fetish smut. The latter is what I associate anthropomorphic characters with nowadays, would rather steer away, and wouldn't be surprised if others did too. I'll give you the benefit of doubt though and assume it's good-natured fun.

>>11774318
It's hundred-percent Disney, or else I would be doing all this shilling on furry sites. My set goal was to do the the most underdog protagonist imaginable, then through challenge and peril turn them into a competent adventurer, and I felt that a small cuddly bunny person was the way to go. I pretty much immediately acknowledged to myself that people like yourself exist, that would initially assume that it's all furry porn and fetishes, but I chose to not let it steer me away from my path.

I jsut try to write the sort of stuff I like, regardless of what people might end up thinking about it - and I do hope the premise of the story might get you too to pick it up, sooner or later, now that you know it's basically free of the stuff you're trying to avoid.

>>11774300
No bunnies nigga. One step at a time.
After some hard won experience and maybe fortune and fame you can fire your editor and crank up the furry factor.

>>11774308
The effects of a big enough population of terminal losers with nothing else to spend their money on. So why not splurge on a 10k fursuit and a bunch of tasteful art depicting various anthropomorphic animals fucking each other?

>>11774318
You are not the only one. You have been robbed of your innocence.

While we're speaking of the works of anon.

>after years of hiatus rewrite beginning of crappy isekai story from 2012
>cut out 80% that's just boring, cringy exposition on how videogames work

I used to defend the genre, but now I see the truth.

>>11763531
So I want to read the "Foundation" series by Isaac Asimov, I feel like starting with "Prelude to Foundation" instead of "Foundation", would that be alright or should it be better to jump with the first published, the original trilogy?
I know I can do either, but what are yout thoughts on it?

>>11774368
Narnia, Alice in Wonderland, and Three Hearts are all still technically isekai. It can be done well. It just usually isn't, especially nowadays.

>>11774351
It does sound cute and fun and I'm wishing you well, it's good to be confident about whatever you're doing. What I'd probably like you to do is experiment, try different directions you might go to.

>>11774377
Why do you have to be so disrespectful anon?

>>11774364
>So why not splurge on a 10k fursuit and a bunch of tasteful art depicting various anthropomorphic animals fucking each other?
Please anon, I'm trying to be responsible.

>>11774378
The next story stars a small human girl exploring her new spooky castle home, and tones down the whole furry factor extensively. I've also got this dark winter quest that doesn't involve furries at all, some robot cyberpunk that I can never keep myself focused on for long, and right now I'm writing a sequel for the bunnyguy's adventure.

I try to do different sorts.

>>11774374
I'd read Foundation first. That way you get the proper mysterious mood about things. Then everything get's explained in Prelude/Forward.

>>11774300
Here you go Bunnyman

>>11774386
I am sure your fursuit is of the highest quality. And the art - fit for MoMA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT-uYVQhffY

>>11769113
War of the Spider Queen is all about drow.

>>11774404
Thanks anon, I'll try. Because I read a couple of pages of Prelude and I really wanted to continue I hope Foundation also makes me want to keep reading.

>>11774445
Sounds sexy.

>>11773121
Pic unrelated.

>>11774477
Basically it follows several drow after Lolth has left them. With all the backstabbing it entails.

>>11774377
Well, I guess I'll just try it. Only other plot I have is three anime cobbled together and I'd rather let that hot mess cool down a bit.

>>11774527
Worst-case scenario, you'll get a lot of practice and can smoothen out some of your flaws and drawbacks. Vomit out a few of those one million words you need to write before becoming great.

>>11773209
Gormenghast is my favorite work of fantasy fiction, its marriage of whimsy and powerful narrative is more natural than Tolkien's and his prose is better than anyone else who's ever written in the genre. I just wish I could find something like it.

>>11773748
I haven't read this yet but it's my girlfriend's favorite book so I want to at some point. My favorite sci-fi is the conceptual weird shit like Greg Egan or John Shirley, do you think it's up my alley?

>>11774699
Go ask reddit.

>>11772787
I always liked this one, similar theme but it feels like there's so much more behind it.
>The way is shut.
>It was made by those who
>are Dead.
>And the Dead keep it.
>Until the time comes.
>The way is shut.

>>11774746
You know, I never liked the ride through the tunnel. It felt like such a jarring shortcut in the narrative. Did it seem out of place to anyone else?

Are there any books that have large jumps of time between books/acts? Like where there's a larger development happening and it's told by multiple stories in different ages?

>>11775129
Silmarillion.

>>11775137
I've read it and it's not what I'm looking for. I'm looking for a universe that has multiple stories told from the perspective of individuals.

Silmarillion is closer to a fantasy history book.

Have anyone here read russian isekai? How is it?

>>11773790
>>11773748
Light is pretty great. I cheated afterwards tho and read an explanation of what was going on. There were things I totally missed.

>>11774699
Probably.

>>11773129
Punctuation is free, anon.

>>11767440
I'm at the half of book 1, it's not well written, it's Abercrombie tier prose and you can see the twists coming a mile away but the worldbuilding keeps me going. I think it has potential to grow into something worthwhile.

>>11775834
>I think it has potential to grow into something worthwhile.
Should we tell him?

>>11775834
>Abercrombie tier prose

So brimming with snappy dialogue and interesting characterization?

>mfw I just read a S&S story written by a woman and it was good

>>11775986
Nice try, Joe.

>>11772232
I was going to do this but I started reading Hobbit first instead.

>>11775990
C L Moore?

>>11775986
Rubbing my puckered cheek, I wince at you, anon. No, I snort.

>>11775990
The Chicks series has some pretty good stories in it.

So which of these are actually good and which of these are just trying to hide the fact that you read fantasy?

>>11776208
Black Sun Rising is good.

>>11776208
the knight is fucking awful dont waste your time with that one.
titus groan is great but its not really fantasy.

>>11776065
Tanith Lee. It was S&S of the CAS variety; not REH. It was decent though.

>>11776324
>a wizard of earthsea is fucking awful dont waste your time with that one.
Fixed that for you. No thanks needed.

>>11775129
Magic of Recluce, though I can't recommend it, feels too inconsistent.

>>11775834
Some of them yeah, but I doubt you could see all the asspulls coming.

>>11771007
The next one is not at good

>>11775129
Bernhard Hennen's the Elven takes place over about 1000 years.
It's mostly one story with lots of timejumps by the protagonists because they fuck up magic, but the later books take place in between all those vignettes of the first one and tell their own stories. Dunno how many of those are available in English though.

>>11775129
Three Body Problem.

>>11775129
Three Body Problem series is what you're looking for

>>11775129
House of Suns

>>11775129
Dune. The six books by Frank Herbert cover about 4500 years.

>>11775463
>read an explanation
where can I find this explanation, if you dont mind my asking

>>11775129
>>11775129
A Canticle for Leibowitz, 2001 series, A Fire upon the Deep/A Deepness in the Sky

Is this good? Became interested after this mention in some Gifted movie review
>Let’s see the nuts and bolts, the emotional turmoil, the breakthroughs and defeats, the unnerving manifestations of the trainee’s innate ability, the distinctions between what comes naturally and what must be studied and practiced regardless of talent. Additionally, while generally a controlling parent does not need a gifted child to be controlling – any child will do – there is a specific kind of troubled dynamics that can exist between a gifted but traumatized mother and her similarly, only more, gifted daughter. If these are things you’re interested in, skip “Gifted” and read N.K. Jemisin’s “The Obelisk Gate” instead. I confirm from my own experience that she gets it just about right, and I would love to see a story similar in depth and scope to Jemisin’s mother and daughter thread where the protagonists are female mathematicians.

>>11778165
>Is this good?
No.

>>11778165
>where the protagonists are female mathematicians
Egads!

>>11768685
thorpe is such shit;
I had first read Chambers Path of the Dark Eldar stuff and started into the Path of the Eldar afterwards - to be horribly surprised in the worst way possible by how shit Thorpes writing is.
>Thorpes is to Chambers;
>Herberts Son is to Herbert
do not read Thorpe
its utter trash

>>11775463
what did you miss? I read it first age 11 and was mindblown in the finale, but felt like it all came together rather neatly and obviously

>>11773748
you're welcome, I keep shilling it and keep being shouted down regularly, but I honestly love that book - possibly the best Harrisson has produced and far superior to the two sequels

>>11778165
The protags of this book were the real monsters.

Are there any good fantasy or sci-fi novels where the protagonist is a non-human?

>>11778349
What's Nova Swing saying? I've been reading it for a few days, it is literally but Roadside Picnic x Light? I'm confused.

>>11778962
Not many, but here's something you might like. It's fantasy AND scifi!

>>11778972
rabbit fucker pls

>>11779001
You asked about non-humans, only to flip around and tell me off for liking non-humans! Make up your mind, man.

I've rarely seen a better opportunity for shill. You specifically asked for my product.

>>11779029
wasn't me though, but must you shill on EVERY thread?

>>11778969
pretty much, you shouldnt expect Nova Swing to be a proper continuation of Light; it deviates heavily in almost all regards; the same is true for Empty Space, which is... a rather bland and not spooky story.

They are essentially three books, all disconnected in almost all regards, telling totally different stories, but happen to be set in the same universe.

>>11779035
Once your own pride and joy of a novel is out there for other people to read, you too will understand that you must take every opportunity to advertise it. I see someone ask for a niche that my book was deliberately written to fill, of course I will tell them about it.

Besides, it's not "every" thread: I made all of the previous thread without shilling or avatarfagging once.

>>11779054
ok then

>>11778969
As the other guy said, the novels are kind of standalones set in the same universe. I'm yet to read Empty Space, but the first too were both good.

>>11778962
:3

Anyone else feel like bring back jasnah cheapens the entire plot and book? Her death set the precedent for major characters being able to die and plot armor being less of an issue. Also the explanation for her survival is retarded.
>How did you survive>
>Oh i'm practically invincible teehee
What do you niggers think? Was it reasonable or a popcorn flick tier twist?

>>11779073
Within the context of the books, it was fine. They're pretty cheap and dumb as it is after all.

>>11779073
popcorn flick is what sanderson books are

>>11779077
>>11779080
I agree sanderson writes violent saturday morning cartoons but that doesn't mean this particular plot point shouldn't be scrutinized. Even if the books are PG they are mostly competently written except for a few things like hey lets revive this character because i'm too much of a lazy hack to introduce a new one that can soulcast.

>>11779105
Probably shouldn't have killed her off to begin with. Authors need to learn that death is a meaningful and dramatic event that can't be used willy-nilly, and even less undone, lest the story loses all its impact altogether.

>>11779073
Since animeman want to do 10 books of the series he plan to kill the characters later so I don't know what he was doing here.
At least he did an honorable death in the first book of the original mistborn trilogy, which is still my favourite book of this author.

>>11779073
Not only should Jasnah have died, Shallan should've died midway through Oathbringer instead of Elhokar.

>>11779193
What if, and this might be upsetting, he kills a character in one book and brings him back in another?
In a ten book series you could die up to five times.

>>11778165
I'm almost through the first one, and I kinda like it. It looks like fantasy, but it reminds me of science fiction, with evolution taken into account in the world and the "magic" made possible by organs people have. The implications of magic coming from somewhere just below your brain are also explored, somewhat gratuitously with hinted possibilities of surgical manipulation. I also found the 2nd person narration in parts of the book interesting, as it verges on breaking the fourth wall but doesn't really do it, and the way it tells you things by withholding some information. Some of the storylines feel a little cliche but it's not that bad.

But the world it all takes place in is a little grim-dark, with frequent earthquakes and the titular fifth seasons. But at least it's not space-Satan raping the world like in the Second Apocalypse.

>>11775129
Childhood's End, which I'm pretty sure is required reading for /sffg/.

>>11779124
Haven't read the series but I feel like characters aren't killed off enough. Sure the death should be meaningful and have an impact, but the same is true for the survival. I wouldn't put a character in a truly dangerous situation without being ready to roll a dice on whether or not the character survives.

That is, obviously, unless that specific danger is a focal point of the story. Can't really kill off a main character in a book dealing with survivor's guilt in the first chapter because he needs to be stuck in a fire to be able to survive it and get the survivor's's guilt.

>>11779795
Mine kills two major heroes before the story even really begins!

>>11778972

You got any copies left, anon? Kind of interested in reading and reviewing.

>>11779822
Sure! Throw me your address on Goodreads and I'll throw it to mail tomorrow.

>>11779801
I am so fucking sick of you.

>>11779801
I'd consider asking for a copy if I didn't have way too many books I want to read already. Maybe your next book if I've gotten through the must read classics by then.

>>11779481
>these massive jugs
I wonder if her back's alright

>>11763738
The Bible

Why are elves always so lanky? Where are the thicc elves?

>>11779962
Thicc elves became orcs.

>>11779852
>if I've gotten through the must read classics by then
For every must read classic I finish I discover two more which deserve my attention.

>>11779962
You can probably find some, but generally people fallow meme elfs = lanky.

>>11779962
There's some hentai ova with thicc elves if you're interested

>>11779975
I mostly focus on SF with fantasy being an occasional distraction together with other works of fiction.

Right now I'm wanting to get through all of PKD's works, focusing on his short stories first because I really enjoy them. I'll give Asimon yet another chance with the Robot series. I've got a short story collection from Arthur C Clarke but I haven't really given him a fair chance. The two last books of the Dune series are waiting in my bookshelf to be read at some point. Starship Troopers is going to be part of my next book order together with Kafka, Vonnegut, PKD and Pratchett. I'll probably revisit Jules Verne at some point as well since I really liked what I read as a kid. And then there are books like Hyperion, Ringworld and whatever that I don't know much about but will need to read.

First of all though I need to get through Island of the Day Before by Umberto Eco before I can start another book and it isn't exactly the fastest book to read. [/blogpost]

>>11779687
The tv series was pretty awful. Maybe I should give it a try even if I know the plot twist.

We gonna do the next thread right this time?

doubt

NEW THREAD
>>11780409
>>11780409
>>11780409
NEW THREAD

Is Senlin Ascends any good? I really need a fun, entertaining read with interesting worldbuilding and great characters.