/lit/ - Literature

First!

Have you started reading yet?

>>11738648

what scifi stories include robots/cyborgs sexually conquering humans

3rd for waifu

>tfw no Amazon SF&F chart
>tfw can't discuss 85% of PKD with /lit/
>tfw more and more books I can't discuss with anyone
feels bad man

>>11738671
What is the book about?
>tfw ever-increasing backlog but plowing through it

5th for truth

>>11738672
The only book with human/robot sexuality that comes to mind is The Alchemy of Stone by Ekaterina Sedia.

>>11738718
>>11738732
Sorry lads, Amber is were the true waifus lie now.

>>11738730
>What is the book about?
It's honestly quite unclear. It's about a huge gothic castle and it's inhabitants. I'll probably start it myself tomorrow, I'll just have to bring myself to finish the last 30 pages of the meme ass Lovecraft collection I'm currently reading first.

>>11738730
>>11738770
I have absolutely no idea of what the book is about myself, other than the faintest premise and that it's often praised. I'd love to dive right into it knowing little if nothing more.

I should be getting my copy sometime this week, if luck holds.

In the meantime, I'm writing again! Good pace, good start, plenty of enthusiasm and ideas, but it probably dies out before the first draft is complete. Maybe Gormenghast will help shape it further.

What's some good super low gritty fantasy, like the chain of dogs in malazan or broken empire (but good), amoral bandits and mercanery companies where someone is wounded and dies of an infection and people are always losing limbs and being maimed etc

>>11738767
>Implying I'm not Dara a waifu poster as well.

>>11738767
Fixed.

>>11738802
I'm not far enough to know who the red head is, but she is clearly a best.
So far it's Flora

>>11738822

>>11738767
Oh you disgusting little faggot.
Don't you have some drawn slanty eyed school girl to worship over yonder on /a?

>>11739031
That is far too much makeup.

Any fantasy with a stone age setting?

>>11739242
The Legends of the First Empire by Michael J. Sullivan, it's faggy as fuck though.

>>11739346
That doesn't look stone age...

>>11739056
she just fell down in the hummus machine

looking some experimental sci-fi

>>11739353
Elves and Dwarves are in the Bronze age, Humans are stone age. That is a Dwarven port.

>>11738795

Wagner's Kane series, Kane's so far down the antihero scale he's occasionally the flat out villain and the world is gritty enough to match

>>11739389
what's the first book, its hard to tell

>>11738730
What? PKD is reasonably popular around here. What is it you want to talk about?

>>11739499
He's popular but people only talk about like 4 of his books let's be real. And he wrote a ton more, his short stories also go completely undiscussed.

Here OP have this vintage sci fi *snap*

Why can't people here go beyond the same 20 mainstream novels? Go and discover obscure authors. Read some forgotten pulp classics. Why read the same boring shit everyone else is reading?

>>11739584
I'll read whatever catches my eye, faggot.

Recommend me some good horror/thriller scifi books please.

>>11739555
Do you have a specific short story or book you want to discuss?

>>11739473
the chronological order doesn't really matter in the Kane series, just read like two of the short stories just to get a feel for him and then read the three novellas (Bloodstone, Dark Crusade, Darkness Weaves)

>>11739629
Blindsight
Blood Music
Hull Zero Three
Solaris

had an idea about a world where people who are cursed don't die and just rot in their bodies but then found out Dark Souls already did it. Sucks man

>>11739808
you should write it anyway, then call the it the dark souls of books and make millions

>>11739808
Don't worry about some video game having done it. Video games don't count.

Planescape Torment did it before Dark Souls anyway.

>>11739866
>>11739877

thanks guys, you are right, migh as well try it

>>11739584
Mainstream means torrents or other free downloads, and availability from libraries. Meanwhile for more obscure authors I sometimes can't even buy their books on Kobo

>>11738671
Yes and I'm liking it a lot. I already know I'll be reading the other two books in the series and I'm only 70 pages in.

>>11740076
>only 70 pages in
>70 pages in a couple days
>only
Well look at Mr. speedreader over here.

>>11740096

>>11739584
Reading is a time consuming hobby. I've read about 200 SF&F books, most of them >mainstream, and it feel like I've hardly scratched the surface of mainstream SF&F. Hell, I've been reading selected books from /sffg/ for two years and I've yet to read Hyperion or Blindsight.

>Why read the same boring shit everyone else is reading?
With a more complete knowledge of the genre one can appreciate unique and original works better.

>>11739242
Bonesetter. It is not fantasy, though, the author says re puts it into sci-fi, but in the past instead of the future. Don't really recommend it, though. It's kinda weak.

>>11740133
Not that anon but I think quite a lot of posters here are avid readers of sci-fi and (ugh) fantasy.
It really gets tiring when this general starts beating on dead horses that most of us here have read and reread. Doubly so for whatever fantasy shitshow is currently popular.

>>11740196
>but I think quite a lot of posters here are avid readers of sci-fi and (ugh) fantasy.
On the Sci-fi & Fantasy general?

pls no bully but the one thing I like about GRRM and ASoIaF are the characters. Is there any other series that has a cast of mostly flawed assholes?

>>11738834
The redhead is Fiona iirc but yah Flora was the most beautiful.

>>11739584
I do. But I bet no one here has read Views from the Oldest House or other Richard Grant books. One person mentioned reading Zod Wallop which I love but they didn't like it. I recommend Vurt but I think only one other person has posted about it. Etc.

At least Zelazny has been getting some attention here lately. One of his posthumous short story collections talked about how he was in danger of being forgotten.

>>11740196
If it bother you that people read books that you have already read that is your problem. Learn to use the filter.

>I think quite a lot of posters here are avid readers of sci-fi and (ugh) fantasy
lel, really?

>>11740232
WoT, although none of them admit it or come to terms with it and I don't think Jordan meant it.

>>11740233
Why settle for subpar garbage when you could just reread The Book of the New Sun for the umpteenth time?

>>11739688
Ignore this advice and read ALL the short stories and only read the full blown novels if you end up liking Kane. The novels are nowhere near as good as the short stories.

>>11740232
Malazan, kingkiller, black company, roken empire

>>11740437
Is this a demonstration that asshole main characters make for really shitty stories?

What are some modern fantasy writers who actually know how to get to the fucking point? Every book I read these days could easily lose 2-300 pages with no ill effect. Are they even edited anymore?

>>11740456

>>11740452

>>11740219
>>11740237
I know. This general is usually awash in a sea of fantasy poo, to quote Johnny Knoxville, but from time to time some kind anon surprise you with an excellent recommendation.
It's those rare moments that make coming here worthwhile.

>>11740232
first law

Someone posted this in the previous general so I decided to binge read it because I was thirstin for strange alien object sci-fi

This book is atrociously bad. I cannot comprehend how it won an award. The real problem is that the awfulness of the book creeps up on you so you might feel compelled to finish it after you've invested some time into it.

Don't. I've never gone on here and straight up dumped on a book but this is horribly written it has awful prose and nonsensical characters and unless there's some subtle meta fuckery I didn't catch it is just beyond redemption.

Anon... how could you name drop this turd in our holy general? :[

>>11739031
How big is his penis?

Why would anyone use audible? Shit is expensive.

What are 5 deeper questions you would want answered about any setting you're reading?

Scifi is masculine, Fantasy is feminine.
Change my mind?

>>11740803
Survive the Somme and get back to me.

>>11740803
its the opposite just look at all the genderbendy hyperdyke shit in new scifi

>>11740248
that book has been for too long in my backlog, I really should give it a try as soon as possible

>>11740793
Did you ever buy books before ebooks game out?
In my country I paid what you paid for an audible book for a paper book. And that was years ago.

Any reccomendations for scifi+magic or a magic system similar to computer programming?

>>11740892
>or a magic system similar to computer programming?
Jack Vance's Dying Earth

>>11740892
Literally the premise of The Scriptlings.

>gavin guile loses part of a hand, loses an eye, wears an eye patch with a piece of black stone embedded in it and has been using someone else's identity for years

>>11740096
How slow do you read?

>>11739242

Try reading M.A.R. Barker's novels set in Tekumel. Its effectively a stone age mayincatec setting.

>>11739242
Clan of the cave bear?

>>11740843
>FTL is possible but cloning some genitals isn't

okay buddy.

>>11738648
>Reading American Gods
Someone fucking kill me, this book is BORING.

>>11741056
>reading anything by Gayman
>ever

>>11741061
he fooled me when he said one of his favorite books was Swords of Lahnkmar. I thought he had taste; and at least talent but fuck damn all he talks about is scenery and never gets to the fucking point. I'm 3/4ths into American Gods and there is nothing fucking happening.

>>11739499
>PKD is reasonably popular
Yes brother I too enjoy discussing the same five of his most mainstream novels ad nauseum too!

>>11740892
Vurt by Jeff Noon

>>11740248
I will give Wolfe a try sometime. Honestly tho, he's been shilled hard so it would be hard to love up to the hype. And from what I know about Botns themes and characters, i doubt it's something I'm going to love

>>11738671
I read the summary on wiki and it sounds incredibly boring.
I guess I really am more the sci-fi type.

>>11740232
Worm.

>>11740652

I wanted it to be good so bad. It has so many things that I can't really find

>ghost planet
>oh god they're all butchered
>generation ship that has lost any real sense of purpose to the abyss of time

But no, the climax literally revolves around nobody realizing that the woman they picked up who is the sole survivor of a world killed by mysterious aliens shouldn't know the name that they called her planet.

>>11738767
Anything else with schemey family feuds and politics? don’t say asoiaf.

>>11739242
I have that painting on the wall above my be at this very moment.

I see Malazan recommended often in here, is it a meme?
If it is, is it a good meme?

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/5715023-after-life
http://sifter.org/~simon/AfterLife/
I read this a couple of years ago and though it was neat.

>>11741450
If you're a retarded pleb who's easily impressed by good world-building and lots of action, but not much else then it's good.

>>11741531
I'm mostly interested in it because some people told me that there are several different races and that they actually play an important part in the plot.
That's all I want, a series in which the different races are more than just background characters.

>>11741653
Well it has a shit ton of different races and characters from those races so if that's all you're looking for then I would highly suggest Malazan.

i have an idea for scifi with 2 opposing ancient orders for one of the main plot but im afraid it just would turn to another shitty star wars fanfic

>>11738648

>>11740456
Nah. Most aren't as bad as Abercrombie though, who took three books to tell what could have easily fit in one.

>>11740941
Weeks gets dumped on here, but I really enjoyed the Lightbringer books.

>>11741370
Hmmmmm...ok. How about A Game of Thrones.

>>11741370
>family feuds
chinese webnovels, literally all of them have that

>>11740799
I'm a lot more interested in character than world building.

>>11739242
Shaman by Robinson is ice age. Idk if there's a lot of magic in it tho.

>>11741367
The book just falls apart pathetically after they land on Antioch. Every single plot point becomes silly nonsense. All the characters behave really crazy and the writing becomes elementary school fan fiction tier. I just couldn't believe what was goin on man

FATHER VERONICA!!! FATHER VERONICAAAA!!!

>>11741653
could just play world of warcraft. bfa is actually good

Almost finished with this. My first Jack Vance story and it's been great so far. Strange to think there was a time when the Hugo Awards mattered and they actually gave them to good stories.

>>11739242
A lot of Edgar Rice Burroughs is technically in a stone-age setting, though not set in the stone age.

What are some good fantasy books/series with witches as the main characters?
Spells, potion making, stealing children, you know, the whole business.

>>11742186

>>11742200

recommend me some good SF anthologies

>>11742200

>>11741450

its good

>>11739242
Closest I can remember is Adrian Tchaikovsky Echoes of the Fall trilogy, which is early bronze age. For the fantasy part it involves tribes based around animal totems and each tribesmen being able to shapeshift into their totem.

>>11742153
Aaaand finished. Yep. This was excellent. I'm also pretty sure Bakker stole his idea for the Dûnyain from this story Larson stole his idea of aliens enslaving humans and genetically experimenting on them to turn them into various soldiers from this story as well.

>>11741070
>I thought he had taste
Gaiman have amazing taste. His praise is the reason I read BotNS in the first time. However, while I do enjoy Gaiman, great taste does not necessarily translate into great writing.

Anyone know any good books with a decent cast of likeable characters? Like a tightly knit group or something. The Expanse managed to scratch this itch as i ended up liking the characters and actually giving a shit about what happened to them

>>11742518
As far as I'm concerned, likeable main characters are the very core of the story, what runs it and what keeps the reader turning the pages. We want to see what happens to them next, first and foremost, what they do and what challenges they face. Everything else is gravy.

I wrote my own book largely with this principle in mind. Maybe it would scratch your itch.

>tfw Peter Watts was right
>tfw consciousness was a glitch

>>>/pol/184738930

Just finished Roadside Picnic.
First book i have read in a while, it was brilliant and only took me 4 hours to read.
I really enjoyed it any recommendations off this?
I just ordered Neuromancer.

>>11742688
You could try Metro 2033, it's not as literary but the feeling of the book is similar. Or just read some other book by the Strugatskys, either Hard to Be a God or The Doomed City.

>>11742518
>cast of likeable characters? Like a tightly knit group
This was David Gemmell's speciality; especially for his Drenai series. Quest for Lost Heroes might be my personal favorite.

>>11742150
good joke

Is Mark Lawrence good? Which series of his to read first? What about Sanderson? Is he a meme?

What are you giant faggots reading?
>Caltraps of Time
>rereading Sengoku Youko


>>11742667
>another day in which literally retarded children flip shit over a study with n = 30
I heard about that last night. I wish 4chan wouldn't discuss things they know nothing about, like empirical articles.

>>11742949
>What are you giant faggots reading?
20,000 Leagues Under The Sea, while waiting for my copy of Titus Groan to be ready.

>>11742949
Just finished For Whom the Bell Tolls, going to start Titus Groan tomorrow.

>>11742949
Gormenghast still. I'm kind of in a reading slump right now and find it hard to focus.

Since GoT worked out really well for HBO, how come The Chronicles of Amber hasn't gotten an adaption yet?

>>11742949
Thinking of starting either Silmarillion or The Chronicles of Amber since it finally arrived yesterday. Gonna probably finish Silmarillion by the end of this week so I can enjoy Amber.

>>11742957
Is Verne good? I read him in primary school and don't remember much.

>>11743156
>Since GoT worked out really well for HBO, how come The Chronicles of Amber hasn't gotten an adaption yet?
Not nearly hip or popular enough.

>Is Verne good? I read him in primary school and don't remember much.
I haven't read him in years either, before now, but it holds up pretty well. Still good.

>>11743161
Nice, gonna revisit his works eventually.

Someone recommended me the Vatta's War series which sounded cool in concept but already I can't stand the main character's pity party. Does anyone know if it gets better or can recommend me a series that primarily takes place on spaceships, with emphasis on (good) characters, and no aliens?

>>11743167
Legend of the Galactic Heroes

>>11741370
Romance of the Three Kingdom

>>11743171
Does it all really come back to lotgh? There has to be something else out there. Something must exist to fill the void.

>>11743192
Not really what you're looking for, but The Wire is the only show that came close to LOGH for me. Alternatively, you could go for shit like Romance of the Three Kingdoms or War and Peace, but I bet you already read those.

>>11743196
Damn, well I'll take what I can get. I'm not usually too into tv, but I'll check out The Wire.

>>11742938
He’s alright, Red Queens War.
Haven’t read Sanderson.

>>11743211
Godspeed friend.

>>11743156
The fat guy that made the Walking dead is making an Amber series I think. It’ll probably be shot though.

>>11743192
>>11743196
>>11743218
wasnt there remastered lotgh version?

>>11743224
You mean the remake? The designs suck and the voices can't compare to the originals. Maybe one of these days I'll watch it, but then, why bother when I can watch the superior version?

So I've been getting /fit/ and like to listen to stuff while I'm working out. Can anyone recommend me a good fantasy audiobook series?

Preferably without any feminist "GRRRRL power" crap.

>>11743220
>>11743161
>>11743156
The Amber tv series was mentioned 2 years ago but I haven't heard anything since.

>>11743273
They're just working really really hard on it, it's going to be a flawless work of art.
>>11743268
Chronicles of Amber

>>11741370
Dune has a bit of that but you have probably read it already.

>>11742949
>What are you giant faggots reading?
Colour of Magic, it's a light and fun read and I think I'll keep a couple of books from the series around as a change of pace after more difficult books.

>>11742949
Babel-17 and Amber. Probably gonna start Titus Groan after these.

>reading more than one series at a time
How do they do it?

>>11743220
>>11743273
I don't want to see it get made because it would most likely suck.

>>11743224
There was a rework but I didn't watch it because I didn't like the art design, felt too shoujoish, and what I heard from a friend wasn't all that flattering. I'd rather rewatch the My Conquest Is the Sea of Stars movie + the OVA, then read the books.

>>11742518
Read the Vorkosigan saga.

Neat little novel. One of the earliest to deal with themes of simulated reality. Prose is surprisingly good at times.

Should I read the Xeelee sequence?

That scene with the devil made me lol. It's so silly but so fitting at the same time.

>>11744148
Read Vacuum Diagrams, Timelike Infinity, and Ring, then talk about them with me.

What is everyone reading?

I'm reading The Pillars of the Earth. And it's pretty good. But not really Sci-Fi or fantasy.

>>11744871
I ain't readin' dem fancy books boy.
I am playing Wasteland 2 fer some of those apocatalytic feels. The books I did try to read - those were about as bad as all this fag fantasy. That ain't no literature fer a self respecting man.

>>11744928
What are you in this thread for?

A Song of Ice and Fire is good

>>11744985
It's good up until Storm of Swords - even great at times - but it takes a real nosedive after that.

I'm still going to read the rest of the story... if it ever comes out at all.

Stannis is Agamemnon. The three eyed raven is tiresias.

>>11745081
Who's Achilles?

>>11745098
No ASOIAF character resembles the Achilles of the iliad. Don't know about the other stories. In any case, you can rest assured that there is no single ASOIAF character or plot line that isn't borrowed from history and myth or classic sffg novels.

>>11744871
I stopped reading PotE at half the book. Too freaking long.

>>11744955
Don't get passive-aggressive on me boy.
I am here for science-fiction.

>>11745081
Daenarys is Aeneas

>>11742186
discworld

>>11745195
Not much in stealing children, though.

>reading Kingkiller Chronicle
>thought it was weird how it suddenly turned to Not Harry Potter once Kvothe reaches the school
>was ok, still enjoyed it
>second book even better
>getting hyped after they fight the bandits
>can't wait for Kvothe to go back to the Mayer for his reward
>lol nope
>he fucks off into the forest
>nonstop chapters describing how hot Felurian is and how Kvothe is the best lover ever
>finally over after several chapters
>ok, back to the Mayer now
>nope, he goes to learn martial arts in the mountains
>book is getting tedious now
>literally skip every chapter in the mountains
>finally, back to the Mayer now
>another fucking sidequest involving the fake Edema Ruh
>Kvothe becomes Shadow the Hedgehog and murders a bunch of people with his sword
>stop reading

what the fuck happened

>>11745351
>reading more than 10% of kingkiller

>>11745195
Thanks friend, I'll look into this one.

>>11745351

"Woe is me, I'm living off two shitty but successful books I've made, lets playing, and going to conventions. I'm so sad :("

>>11745351
>what the fuck happened
You got memed son

>>11745374
I suddenly realize I may have neglected doing my research for a similar scene of my own.

Drat.

>>11745360

>>11745374
I suddenly realize I may have neglected doing my research for a similar scene of my own.

Oh well, they can still use his mouth.

>>11745374
>username
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTIn

How much longer do we need to put up with the avataring rabbitfag?

>>11745382
Money might be able to eliminate sources of unhappiness but it cannot make one happy itself.

Consider Notch of Minecraft fame: He stole the idea from the Zachtronics guy, made a ton of money, then sold his company for another ton of money to Microsoft. He bought a mansion in LA and now sits in it alone and depressed, with only the ants eating the large bins of candy he had installed for company.

>>11745382

Does Rothfuss actually do let's plays? Any good ones?

Just about to start Sufficiently Advance Magic, anyone here read it? Is it fun?

Outside of Ken Liu, Michelle Sagara, and Liu Cixin, who are the best east asian descended SFF writers? Are there any good fantasy novels that take place in classical Korea?

>>11745433
Read it and find out.

>>11745114
How many books out there aren’t like that, though?

>>11744148
If you like abstract hard science with far future speculation then sure

How do you feel about Lyonesse?
I just finished Suldrun's Garden, which is the only Jack Vance thing I have ever read. I was hoping faeries, trolls and such played a bigger part and some chapters were a bit dull but overall I quite enjoyed it, will definitively continue with the next one in the trilogy.

>>11745689
The next installment will deliver what you want. The trilogy is my fav fantasy.

Why is Blindopraxia considered hard sci-fi? Particularly in the second book there's all sorts of handwaved nonsense like the entirety of how Portia is supposed to work and how being really smart apparently lets you remote-control tornadoes and reprogram people's brains with tongue clicks.

The way Theseus gets energy from the Icarus array doesn't make sense. Fabbers are inches away from being full blown Star Trek replicators with some lip service to make them seem plausible, and are used for the exact same purposes. The crucifix glitch doesn't make sense. The entire concept of sentience that is expounded upon strikes me as Watts' arbitrary definition that lets the rest of his premise work out. Basically the only thing in the books that I can see fairly considered as hard sci-fi is the biology not related to neurology (which makes sense since Watts' actual field is biology), which is precious little

>>11745717
Because the meaning of "hard" has devolved into "good". I've seen people call the Culture series "hard sci-fi," the apparent reason being because they happen to like it.

>>11745717
Also, I know that most of those have citations, but the problem is that the citations do not actually support what Watts is claiming. He pulled off the same shit with the psychic powers in Rifters, which he at least admitted were bullshit later on

>>11741922
The series has its flaws, but the overarching plot is interesting and does a good job of making you wonder who you really should be rooting for without having all the characters act schizophrenic or going full grimhurr.

>>11745455
Asoiaf takes it to another new level though. GRRM just outright copy-pastes things. Not saying he's bad though; he's actually quite good at this. Maybe this is one reason his characters are so iconic. They are replicas of the same figures that have intrigued human imagination for centuries.

>>11745689
It's pretty bad imo. Speaking of GRRM copy-pasting, see pic related.

>>11745717
Before we proceed what the fuck do you consider "hard" sci-fi? Especially for a novel using themes such as nature of conscious which we still know shit all. The man has done his research on top of writing a good novel.

>>11740960
Thanks for that post anon. Many years ago I read something about that south american middle earth opus but I completely forgot the names of author and world. Has been bugging me on and off for years.

>>11745435
Ted Chiang is pretty kickass.

>>11745782
Greg Egan, for one. The most iconic recent author who I consider really hard would be Andy Weir, as much as I didn't like The Martian. Clarke is generally internally consistent and clear with which parts are rooted in actual science and which are not, while still averaging harder than Watts.

>>11745717
>The crucifix glitch doesn't make sense
Why not

Hit me with your spoopy/strange science fiction /sffg/. I want that sense of mystery and wonder from foreign environments like Rama and the torus in Blindsight

>>11740843
you're right you know

>>11745689
I didn't enjoy it as much as I was hoping from other Vance I've read, at least until book 3 which I enjoyed immensely.

>>11745756
>GRRM just outright copy-pastes things. Not saying he's bad though; he's actually quite good at this. Maybe this is one reason his characters are so iconic. They are replicas of the same figures that have intrigued human imagination for centuries.
Please name a single character who is "iconic" where iconic isn't remapped to mean "I saw this on TV and so did everyone I know so now I can point to this trope and everyone else understands me without internal monologue".

>>11745435
Ted Chiang is one of my favorite writers and Story Of Your Life is possibly my favorite short story.

I haven't read it myself because it's probably too dark but The Poppy War by Kuang is getting good reviews.

>>11745382
He's butthurt over our President.

>>11746008
Nevermind his faults, at least he triggers the libs!

>"kill these guys at this location"
>"nah i'd rather send my murder bot out to do that for me, thanks. why would i risk myself?"

>"oh nooooo if the bad guys catch you, you're gonna die!"
>"probably not since i've forked the software for my consciousness into several billion servers around the world and onto satellites in outer space. if i die, i'll just fork my mind into a new body."

>"why not go to the gym and work out your frustrations?"
>"no thanks i have the basic bodymod that obviates working out because i have mechanical muscles now"

transhuman worlds are worlds unprecedented ennui and retardation. there's no reason, EVER, to do ANYTHING other than SIT AT HOME, WANK OFF AND HAVE A MENTAL BREAKDOWN

EVERY SINGLE PROBLEM IN A TRANSHUMAN UNIVERSE COMES DOWN TO THIS QUESTION: "DO I HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO BE ABLE TO GET AROUND THIS PROBLEM?"

>holy shit i have to make it to the other side of the world in 1 minute to stop this explosion that will happen otherwise
"do i have enough money to fork my mind into another body on the other side of the world?"

>no, it cant be! the virus will destroy everything in 2 seconds!
"did i buy the super hacking augment with my money?"

>she won't fall in love with me :(
"did i buy the super phero sex augment? (or if i don't want to be detected did i buy the undetectable one)"

>i can't convince these people to join my side :(
"did i buy the super phero social augment? (or if i don't want to be detected did i buy the undetectable one)?"

THERE'S ONLY ONE WRITING SOLUTION TO GET AROUND THIS: "ooooh but my character can't afford that stuff so i guess we gotta do it the hard way ;)"

OH, HE DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO DO IT?!

MONEY, MONEY, MONEY, MONEY, MONEY, MONEY, MONEY, MONEY, MONEY, MONEY, MONEY, MONEY, MONEY, MONEY, MONEY, MONEY, MONEY, MONEY, MONEY, MONEY, MONEY, MONEY, MONEY, MONEY, MONEY, MONEY, MONEY, MONEY, MONEY, MONEY, MONEY, MONEY, MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SO FUCKING BORING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AT LEAST IN LOW OR NO-MAGIC FANTASY THERE'S ACTUAL CONSIDERATIONS OF TIME AND WHAT'S PLAUSIBLE.

PROVE ME WRONG YOU FUCKING CANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>11745081
Which would make The Seven Kingdoms Helen and the Lannisters Paris which makes no sense at all.

>>11745964
It just has no tangible basis or explanation as to its origin beyond "vampires have big visual cortexes therefore seizures from right angles", while having a HELL of a lot about the specific conditions under which it triggers

Watts is clearly very fond of his vampires. If you read his blog, he even recently mentions that he's tried to get a book entirely about the fictional evolution of vampires before but all the publishers he's talked to tell him to fuck off. He has an incredibly long slideshow about the discovery of vampires up in his website, framed as an actual in-universe FizerPharm conference. Even if you don't know his website, the paragraph upon paragraph of infodumping about vampires in Blindsight should be enough. But the vampires are a cool idea he really, really wanted to include in his book first, satirical social commentary second, a plot device third, and an actual realistic concept with scientific basis dead last

>>11743353
>>11743628
I want the Amber tv series to be set in the '70s when the books were written. But I do want it made so that Zelazny's books get a revival. He and Lloyd Alexander are my favorite writers and huge influences on my writing.

>>11746035
You forgot to take your pills again.

>>11746043
I read Blindsight and Echopraxia a long time ago so I don't remember all the deets but I recall liking that he actually tried to explain the reasons vampires hate crosses in some way. If blinking lights can trigger seizures in some people, why not certain shapes in your vision? Visual reflex seizures can be triggered by brightness, certain patterns, frequencies, and colors.

>>11745417
you've said this before in these threads, do you know these ants personally? very suspicious. i think they're bringing his candy to you

>>11746043
>But the vampires are a cool idea he really, really wanted to include in his book first, satirical social commentary second, a plot device third, and an actual realistic concept with scientific basis dead last

that's every other contrived thing in Blindsight and that's why i dropped that piece of shit

>>11746107
t. self-aware monkey that can't handle the bantz

>>11746143
t. lover of contrivance and shit that would never happen

>>11745904
I don't get why Watts is irking you for his spin on the consciousness while Greg Egan (taking his Permutation City for an example) is based on something as fanciful as a universal computer simulation and the premise that the consciousness is Turing complete. Not to mention the techonomagical "cloud computing" which ignores latency and coherency problems (something that Freeze Frame Revolution does not).
Andy Weir (and I did like The Martian) and Clark deal with areas that we know much more about but even then they are forced to take some liberties. The Martian never mentioned how were the astronauts able to avoid the effects of prolonged space flight on their musculoskeletal system, Clark never explained how the Monolith influenced the hominids (while I am harping about consciousness), the list goes on.
The Theseus is a product of an accelerated research and development program by a bunch of idiot-savant AI's who are so far out there their findings have to be "flattened" by specially trained freaks to be usable. If the tech is almost magical, you gotta admit the reason is pretty cool.
The rest of the mind fuckery (both figurative and literal) in Blindopraxia is grounded in scientific findings, as there are quite a lot of "let's see what happens when we expose the brain to ultrasound, infrasound, powerful magnetic fields and good ol' chemical compounds that pass the blood brain barrier" studies. The effects might have been overstated but it's for the good of The Story. If you are not interested in The Story but citations you would be better off picking up something like Thomas Metzinger's Being No One.

>>11746050
It wouldn't last very long, the first book would be 3 episodes max.

>>11746043
>Watts is clearly very fond of his vampires
And zombies. Posters like you harp about vampires but always forget about zombies.

>>11746199
What irked me about Watts' take on sentience is not that it was wrong or unrealistic whether it actually was those things or not, it's that it was circular. Like, by any definition used by people other than Watts Rorschach is sentient, if alien and superhumanly intelligent. That already tears down most of the book's premise. You could make the argument that the *Scramblers* aren't, at most.

>>11746072
shit he's onto us boys

>>11746072
Got 'em
>>/lit/?task=search&ghost=&search_text=notch+ants

>>11746238
I had no fucking idea what was going on with the zombies. I get that they're a reference to the concept of p-zombies, but the way I understood them their brains and nervous system are augmented to skip conscious thought while the switch is on. And then Bruks finds out they can talk and answer questions about themselves. That fits with actual p-zombies, but how does it work with the actual zombies in the book?

>>11746238
no one cares about the zombies because there's less hoops to jump through

the vampires are more offensively contrived because they:
- are cannibals
- are pale
- have big canines
- react badly to crucifixes
- sleep for long stretches of time in secluded places
- have superior healing

>bro the vampires lost the ability to produce protocadherin y so they have to eat humans this makes sense i have a phd bro TRUST ME

>>11746043
Excuse me? In Tor.com's "That was Awesome!" series, they told me that Sarasti is a "Credible Creature".

I'm sorry, but it looks like you're getting BTFO.

Of all the stupid fucking bullshit to argue about...

>>11746244
You got it all wrong. The Scramblers are intelligent but not conscious. They have no awareness of self, no identity. This is one of the main themes of the novels. And Rorschach is just a vessel, crewed by Scramblers. The difference here is that Rorschach's life support systems are rather different.

>>11746277
I think it's again a case of intelligence without consciousness. They are intelligent, they can talk and reason and they are not just a bundle of murderous reflexes. But the consciousness is in some far away place. That's actually a selling point.

>>11746300
Have you actually read the book? About the evolution of a nightly (hence pale) predatory (hence the wolf teeth) subspecies (cannibalism being a pretty standard ecological interaction) with low density target population (hence hibernation) and bad wiring up there in the noggin (so that they can't watch Pokemon intros or they would start foaming at the mouth). Compared to the usual genetically modified baddies one encounters in bad sci-fi, Watts'es vampires are hard as diamonds as far as science goes and 100% natural.
If seems that the very idea of them is offensive for you in which case tough shit.

>>11742200
well played anon, well played.

>>11746371
>Have you actually read the book? About the evolution of a nightly (hence pale) predatory (hence the wolf teeth) subspecies (cannibalism being a pretty standard ecological interaction) with low density target population (hence hibernation) and bad wiring up there in the noggin (so that they can't watch Pokemon intros or they would start foaming at the mouth). Compared to the usual genetically modified baddies one encounters in bad sci-fi, Watts'es vampires are hard as diamonds as far as science goes and 100% natural.
>If seems that the very idea of them is offensive for you in which case tough shit.

i said "contrived"

i never said the author didn't justify himself extensively. i said that you can essentially see the author's greasy cheetos fingerprints all over it and it pulls me out of the story because something arose that JUST SO HAPPENS to do this thing and that thing and this other thing

>The bloody light of Reddawn spilled across the morning landscape. Lurid shadows, black against red, stretched away from gaunt trees limned against the sky, and incicles flamed crimson as they caught the dim light. Overhead, aurorae pulsated, dim with the coming dawn but still visible.

>>11746426
Is that the Eye of Argon?

>>11746452

>>11746417
So drop the book. I don't understand why are you getting so worked up. The author offered a consistent and interesting premise which did not meet your expectations. There's nothing more to talk about.
I find the crucifix glitch less surprising cause for extinction compared to laziness - https://www.livescience.com/63308-homo-erectus-laziness-extinction.html.. If this somehow found it's way in the novel you would be foaming at the mouth from rage.

>>11746465
protip: literary awards rarely are anything other than circlejerks.

>>11746483
>So drop the book. I don't understand why are you getting so worked up. The author offered a consistent and interesting premise which did not meet your expectations. There's nothing more to talk about.

ah bloo bloo i already did

>>11746371
Again, by any definition not penned by Watts, someone in the relationship between the Scramblers and Rorschach has to be sentient. Maybe they don't have identity or consciousness in the way we do, but at worst you can say that it acts EXACTLY as if it was self-aware and intelligent, but somehow isn't. It's definitely capable of analyzing, precisely emulating and altering subjective experience (as shown by its constant tampering of the crew's brains and Portia). The difference between that and actual "understanding" is semantics.

Further, the Chinese Room argument which he repeatedly brings up in Blindsight was originally a thought experiment about AI. The setting has hard AI, and the debate of their sentience is still ongoing in-universe. The fucking protagonist calls himself a Chinese Room, and he's definitely sentient. Rorschach is at least as sentient as a hard AI and maybe slightly less so than Siri Keeton, or Sarasti, for that matter (if we assume that he is still a "real" vampire in some level and not just a puppet to the Captain). Even if Rorschach, the Scramblers as a group or individual Scramblers are not capable of subjective experience, all indicates to the system they compose being capable of it.

>>11746426
>lurid
>limned
>crimson

they went there

>>11746035
you can also write and respect limits to the technology, you know...

>>11746426
>incicles

>>11746035
Yikes

>>11746426
>Did you ever read what they call Science Fiction? It's a scream. It is written like this: "I checked out with K19 on Adabaran III, and stepped out through the crummaliote hatch on my 22 Model Sirus Hardtop. I cocked the timejector in secondary and waded through the bright blue manda grass. My breath froze into pink pretzels. I flicked on the heat bars and the Bryllis ran swiftly on five legs using their other two to send out crylon vibrations. The pressure was almost unbearable, but I caught the range on my wrist computer through the transparent cysicites. I pressed the trigger. The thin violet glow was ice-cold against the rust-colored mountains. The Bryllis shrank to half an inch long and I worked fast stepping on them with the poltex. But it wasn't enough. The sudden brightness swung me around and the Fourth Moon had already risen. I had exactly four seconds to hot up the disintegrator and Google had told me it wasn't enough. He was right."

>They pay brisk money for this crap?

>>11746620
>and Google had told me it wasn't enough. He was right."
Fucking time travelers

>>11746647
You guys have never steered me wrong, just finished reading Abercrombie's books, what should I read next?

>>11746698
>You guys have never steered me wrong
Time for you to read Sanderson then

>>11746207
That's fine tho. What I don't want is for them to extend it to 9 seasons by delaying the conclusion with added new material and characters with a single mention in the books getting backstories and arcs. (Like what happened in the second Amber series.)
Make a miniseries with 12 episodes and then it's done.

>>11746035
Based

>hard sci-fi

>>11746703
Mistborn, stormlight, read them all. Sanderson made WoT readable at the end. Any other recommendations?

>>11746703
Incidentally, Sanderson is my favorite author.

>>11746875
Read The Black Company

>>11746860
Pleb

>>11746860
Tell me what your problem with it is and I'll find you something in the genre that lacks it.

well i just got blackpilled off this JRE / Elon podcast

someone recommend me something that has nothing to do with evil AI

>get dick cut off with rusty knife, have it shoved down your throat and bleed out
>get resurrected the following day remembering every second of it like it happened moments ago

heh this series is alright

Why is every fantasy series these days always jumping between dozens of characters and constantly switching POV? Is the art of writing a fantasy story focusing on a single character dead because everyone wants to make the next Game of Thrones?

>>11747036
>these days
That shit started with LOTR and became even worse with ASOIAF. Also you're reading epic fantasy. If you're tired of that shit move on to vastly superior fantasy genres like heroic fantasy.

>>11745820

Glad I could help, I suffered from that exact same problem for a few years until the Choice of... series got me caught up.

>>11745997
There's this problem of people thinking that something being popular in the modern world immediately translates to it being bad. Achilles, Agamemnon, Antigone, and Aeneas, these figures had captivated and awed the plebs for hundreds of years, yet no one would venture to dismiss them because they once were popular with the uncultured.
Popular doesn't always equal bad.

>>11745982
>I want that sense of mystery and wonder from foreign environments
Midworld by Alan Dean Foster maybe? The description of life in the atmosphere of a gas giant in "The Algebraist" by iain M. Banks are also pretty great.

>>11745982
The Straggler's Mask is set on a moon hovering around a gas giant, and gets some weird weather patterns and seasons out of this. It's still pretty soft and mostly fantasy, though.

>>11747278
i swear to god juho...

>>11747287
When YOU finally publish that fantasy novel you've been working on for years and are really proud of, you too can shill it however much you want and I won't complain one bit.

Hey, somebody bought one yesterday! Business is booming.

>>11746500
It's not semantics. Is it so hard to accept that an alien species can act intelligently while not being self-aware? That even without an ego, intelligence can act in order to satisfy it's needs and solve practical problems. Everything related to the Chinese Room is the consequence of them not being self aware. They are more than intelligent enough to break down the functioning of a language of a conscious species (aka us) but they do not understand it as semantics is completely beyond them.
The premise of Scramblers is that without all that consciousness cruft, they are far more intelligent. That indeed consciousness is a costly computational aberration compared to more focused and efficient non-sentient species. It's dark and pessimistic in that patented Watts manner.

>>11746043
It triggers a seizure. It's not just flashing lights IRL, a bunch of shit fucks people's shit. It's not outside of possibility to have a tribe that has the same epileptic tendency, a tendency with a specific triggering mechanism (right-angles isn't the most outlandish sounding one either, a tone would also work).

I agree Watts isn't Egan, but it's not Space Opera either. It fits in the niche as like eight notches harder than Liu and twelve notches from Egan.

Just finished The Emperor's Blades and working on Providence of Fire now.

Really like the Kettral as a unit. Also really liked Hull's Trial.

>>11746417
>because something arose that JUST SO HAPPENS to do this thing and that thing and this other thing
So literally every scifi book in the existence. Maybe you should stick to fantasy.

>>11747625
>female special forces

>>11747100
Who writes heroic fantasy these days? I've already read Conan, Elric, Gay Mouser and the other memes

>>11747234
>invents a strawman to argue with out of whole cloth
Okay but I'm still waiting for an iconic character created by GURM.

>>11748247
Cersei

Any chance one of you could help me remember the title of this novel series?

The premise is that a small team of people is chosen to be copied into machine bodies, and identical versions of the team sent on numerous slower than light ships to investigate nearby stars. The book follows one team member, and the world his ship arrives on is visited by silent but benevolent aliens who construct several towers, each containing a gift, including a transparent spacesuit and a small faster than light ship. Shortly after, the entire planet is destroyed by starfish-shaped alien ships. Protagonist barely escapes in the tiny ship and heads for earth.

At earth he finds humanity has turned most of the solar system into a megastructure and most people exist as hive minds of many copies of their individual bodies. After making contact with one of the bodies belonging to the original of one of his team members, he learns he is the only copy of his original that didn't go insane and die.

It's revealed the starfish ships are following the benevolent aliens and destroying any civilization they contact, which now includes earth thanks to the protagonist's ship. The protagonist and his team mate's original barely escape the destruction of the solar system in the FTL ship and embark on a quest to find out who the starfish ships are and why they do what they do.

>>11748246
Son of the Black Sword is pretty good. Sequel's coming out soon.

>>11748246
I love heroic fantasy, write heroic fantasy even at this moment, and published heroic fantasy a couple months ago.

>>11748260
Stop avatarfagging.

>>11748278
I'll stop once the waifufag stops posting Soulcatcher, the guy posting gym women stops dissing fantasy, the fruitcake guy makes a thread, Brandon Sanderson is no longer brought up, or you throw me into that briar patch.

>>11746955
That sounds pretty cool.

>>11746955
>heh this series is alright
>a litrpg saga
I wish I could agree with you. It may even have some interesting plot, I don't know. But I just can't bring myself to read about leveling up.

>>11748295
*throws you into the tar pit*

>>11748295
>the guy posting gym women
The least you could do if you are going to avatarfaggot is do it like him. Maybe post some girls in bunnysuit, huh?

Can someone recommend a book/series with a cute aryan tomboy female protagonist who is occasionally put in compromising positions and has to wear revealing clothing? Thanks

>>11748350
The Steel Remains

I punch my pet rabbits everytime he posts.

>>11748350
She looks like Vivec.

>>11748347
Fair enough.

>>11748347
You moran

>>11748368
I meant it more along these lines. But if you rather post cartoons, I think there's much better ones around, dude.

You have no idea how hard it is to find regular bunnysuit that is not asian or anime on the web. WTF, what's with japan's obsession with it?

>>11748360
>Protagonist is a fag
No thanks.

>>11748401
I know, right? You'd think that with Playboy and everything, we'd all have a thing for bunny girls. But apparently the east overtook us at some point, by some bizarre and esoteric fetishistic sorcery or some shit.

>>11748401
Look at her dead eyes.

>>11748411
Should be a good fit for you tho

>>11748347
>>11748368
>>11748401
>>11748412
At least pretend your pics/comments have something to do with the topic. This isn't a random tit-posting board.

>>11748367
Who’s that?
>>11748360
Thanks, are there several main characters? First character mentioned in the plot synopsis is a guy. How prominent is the female protagonist?

>>11748430
>acting like this is your own fiefdom

This isn’t redd*t, kiddo

>>11748430
I can look up some fantasy bunny girls for the next time.

Really, though, I try to keep the avatarfagging at a minimum - only when my identity's relevant, like when I shill my book and don't want you to think that someone else might have actually read it - and it's gotten a bit out of hand at this time. I'll stop now.

>>11748368
>>11748401
The fuck?

>>11748430
Relax dude, it's not like we'll hit the datacap and run out of threads. But since you asked,

I am reading The Pride of Chanur right now, and it's fucking boring. I never thought I'd say this, but I wish this book had more POVs. The main catgirl (fucking furries should just kill themselves t.b.h) is not at all bad, but there's so much more that could be explored on the ship but all we view is her. The relationship of the human and the crew could be much better explored. I am not sure I'll finish this book, at least not any time soon.

>>11748439
It was a gentle reminder friend.
>>11748466
>but I wish this book had more POVs
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>The relationship of the human and the crew could be much better explored.
That would fight against the entire point of making him seem alien to them.
>I am not sure I'll finish this book, at least not any time soon
Well, it's pretty short, and ties things up such that you'll be fine not reading any sequels.

Also, how dare you!?

>>11748506
>That would fight against the entire point of making him seem alien to them.
You can explore relationship without humanizing everyone involved.

>>11748506
>That would fight against the entire point of making him seem alien to them.
I don't think so. So far, he's just background noise. He could become more alien by actually showing contrast with the crew, not by fading on the background. I am not even talking about adding him as a POV, but maybe Chur, that's with him all the time. Or Hilfy, the apprentice.

I will go on to read Xanth right now, and maybe I'll get back to this later.

>>11748551
You won't get that in the first book. IIRC there's single scene from Haral's POV that takes place away from Pyanfar. In the trilogy that follows you get Hilfy POV and some Tully relationship exploration, but I don't know if it would be enough for you. I think you'd enjoy Chanur's Legacy more, and you don't technically need to read the others for it, though I'd be sad for you.
I just can't believe you aren't enjoying my favorite book.

>>11748350
>>11748433
Sauce?

>>11742688
Just finished Neuromancer and I don't get what all the hype is about.

>>11748670
It's aged poorly.

>>11748586
Oh, btw, am I retarded or is the book written in a really weird way? Sometimes the sentences go straight over my head and the syntax makes absolutely no sense to me.

>>11748670
Read Snowcrash instead.
>>11748677
No, it was always bad.

>>11748698
Snow Crash is even worse.

>>11748713
You must not like fun.

>>11748713
Duel me, you plebian scum!

>>11748719
I like fun, but Snow Crash is fun the same way Kung Fury is, i.e. the lowest and shallowest form of fun where you just throw dinosaurs and shit on the screen to make everyone scream "WOW, LOOK AT HOW EPIC THIS SHIT IS!".

>>11748692
I don't think so? Cherryh taught Latin and some of her stuff can be kinda dense, though she's no prose lyricist like Vance. The Pride of Chanur is one of her more accessible works.
>>11748733
Snow Crash is good because cyberpunk is a terrible genre.

>>11748733
>you just throw dinosaurs
Books with dinosaurs? I tried reading the The Many Colored Land, but aside from being at the wrong epoch, there was a stupid rule that every female would have to be sterile. Talk about lame, didn't actually get past that.

Alternatively, any giant animals will do.

>>11748746
>I don't think so?
So you don't think I am actually retarded? Wew, that's a relief.

Catfag, at least post kitthots if you're gonna be arguing with these Rabbitors.

>>11748753
>So you don't think I am actually retarded? Wew, that's a relief.
You might just need to challenge yourself more anon. Everyone improves.
>>11748757
I posted them a couple threads back. I don't keep much supply. Have a fantasy Janeway and her pair of bearfoxes

>>11748698
Maybe I feel this way because I already did read SC (and love Neal S)
>>11748746
He may have a point about the genre, it's more about fun than being high brow prosaic
>>11748733
People thought KF was epic? We took it to be more of a parody

>>11747417
Again: Rorschach acts exactly as if it was self-aware and fits most definitions of sentience. Everything else, like "consciousness being a costly computational aberration compared to more focused and efficient non-sentient species" only holds water if you accept the likely incorrect premise that Rorschach isn't sentient in the first place when you do not define sentience in the specific way Peter Watts does.

To be clear, not saying that Rorschach and the Scramblers weren't good. I'd still easily recommend the series if people asked me for good sci-fi horror or for books with really "alien" life.

Still, it's easy to think otherwise given the themes in Blindopraxia, but Watts has no qualifications in neurology, psychology or psychiatry . His PhD is in marine biology. There is literally no reason to take his ideas so seriously, interesting as they may be to ponder

>>11747625
Well, true, but with the slarn enhancements its acceptable. Also there's the scene with the female soldier getting her shit kicked in by two male soldiers.

Then there's the specialty roles like controlling the bird, demolitions, and sniping. All within the realm of possibility.

>>11748300
felt the same way before I bought it(was on sale and figured what the Hell)

next thing I know I really like it, think because it's played totally straight so it comes off as a standard fantasy world. Also gives me a shit ton of old school Everquest vibes and that hits me squarely in the nostalgia

>>11748295
It’s that time of the thread again fruitcake.

>>11749067
We're only on page 4.

If I have to make the next thread I swear I'll make it bunny-themed.

>>11749073
I'm concerned that you, as a finn, are reciting br'er rabbit. How deep goes the rabbit hole?

>>11748964
>it's played totally straight
I don't get what you mean by it. Are you saying that it doesn't have game elements, or that the book takes the game elements in it very seriously and not as a parody? Because the second option sucks ass and the first isn't really litrpg.

>>11748753
>there was a stupid rule that every female would have to be sterile
Looking back now, that rule is even stupider than I realized at first. Its reason is supposed to be so that the females that did go back in time were not treated like animals and pleasure slaves, but that is dumb because females don't need to be able to produce offspring to be treated as such in the first place.

>>11749115
Maybe it's so that said females wouldn't end up producing offspring and starting a whole new lineage in the past, which could well fuck up the timeline on a grand scheme of things?

Although that'd still raise a question on how men are allowed to just go and fuck a bunch of women in the past...

>>11749223
Nah, they weren't worried about the past fucking up the present at all. I think it's just the author's way of protecting his ass from fridge logic.

how do we make science fiction and fantasy great again?

>>11749381
We write some great science fiction and fantasy ourselves, anon. What you think is great, you write. Or if you can't write, then tell people to read the stuff you think is great.

>>11749381
Wait for the second coming of Tolkien.

>been homeless for the past 2 years
>finally got a flat
>can now buy a bookcase and my own books
what should be the first book I ever buy for my collection lads?

>>11749515
lotr

>>11749515
A Memory of Light by Brandon Sanderson, my man

>>11749515
Mistborn

>>11749515
The Hobbit. I think there's a pretty great boxed set of that and The Lord of the Rings that you could buy if you can afford it, but The Hobbit is where it all started.

>>11749515
Leatherette-bound edition of The Hobbit. Looks nice without being too expensive (~$25)

>>11749381
>>11749462
specifically, we need someone who does to sci-fi what tolkien did for fantasy

>>11749559
>>11749527
>>11749529
>>11749530
cool, I will get The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings

>>11749588
We already had Dune.

>>11749588
Someone who inspires so much fanfiction it kills the whole genre?

>>11749596
>Doon

>>11749604
yes.
can't have a Renaissance until then.

It's my turn to host the tea party, ladies. Right this way, if you please:
>>11749687
>>11749687
>>11749687

>>11747939
I think what he tried to say is that the author went "I want vampires, let me jump through hoops to justify my image of them" rather than "what if there was a subspecies thriving on blood, let me explore the possible consequences".

I haven't read the book though.