/lit/ - Literature

pls respond

>>11738030
this is what all mid 20th centur marx-influenced continetal are like

>>11738030
Can we do a genealogy of the "it wasn't real communism" meme? Who started it? Who first employed it?

>>11738030
Adorno was too far up his own ass.

>>11738510
Well Spengler himself said Marxism isn't true socialism.
And Marx himself said that previous types of socialism aren't real socialism but utopian socialism.

>>11738030
Shit, I really need to read Spengler. He's like the missing link of the Western Canon. I suspect nearly all 20th century thinkers were secretly influenced by/responding to him.

>>11738605
Spengler influenced Heidegger, Wittgenstein, and Adorno, which means he influenced most of Western philosophy. Adorno himself said that Spengler was only forgotten because his contemporaries could not address him (despite his reactionary conclusions).

>>11738605
Spengler's pretty easy to read for a German

>>11738030
Adorno also can't cope with the anti-semitism of Stalinist USSR.

What works of Spengler are worth reading? I only know about Decline of the West.

>>11739025
Decline of the West is his magnum opus. Second best work is Man and Technics, which influenced Heidegger and Wittgenstein and later anti-technological movements. Prussianism and Socialism is also good if you're into a reactionary take on socialism.

>>11738628
Was he forgotten or was he buried? I suspect the latter desu. I remember reading about how Joseph Campbell and his wife bonded over Decline of the West, saying he knew she was the one when she understood its sad conclusion.

I've also noticed how Spengler was missing from all of my uni classes. I literally only learned about him through Campbell and /pol/.

>>11739040
I'll check those three out then, thanks.

>>11738030
Because academia is the modern version of the clerical class.
You can't go against dogma.

>>11739040
>if you're into a reactionary take on socialism.
Why would someone do this?

>>11739224
yeah, God forbid actually learning about different viewpoints

>>11738030
Maybe post a couple quotes.

>>11738628
>influenced wittgenstein
how

>>11739514
Witty himself stated that Spengler was an influence on him.

>>11739224
because it's an important part of 20th century politics.

>>11738030
>an almost religious faith in socialism
you answered your own question

>>11739040
Is Hour of Decision any good?

>>11740481
honestly not really. It almost just goes against what Spengler though about determinism.

>>11739224
because the only alternative is accepting technocrat-issued UBI. with the way technology and capital are centralized, you aren't going to find a socialistic utopian ideal in the future, only the past.

>>11739514
Wittgenstein was redpilled as fuck low-key

>>11738628
>Spengler influenced Heidegger, Wittgenstein, and Adorno, which means he influenced most of Western philosophy.

>>11740700
There's nothing wrong with that statement

>>11740700
>cartoon poster unimpressed by Heidegger and Wittgenstein's endorsement

>>11740700
Are you implying Heidegger and Wittgenstein weren't highly influential?

>>11739054
I feel lucky having a based French history professor who sidelined Spengler with Marx in first year history courses at my uni

>>11742877
how did he compare the two, and why did he pick spengler?

Spengler was right about most things, except for the chosenites, that is why some of his predictions are off desu

>>11744257
where was he off then? Seems like everything he said came true.

>>11743369
not that guy but both present philosophies of history, Marx with his linear stages leading to a definable end in communism; Spengler diverges from this greatly in his cyclical history and renunciation of the illusion of progress

bump

>>11744257
what you mean?