/lit/ - Literature

We probably would not have works of Tolkien without Finnish literature like Kalevala, even the Elvish language Quenya was modelled after Finnish language.

>>11718938
they made moomins

>>11718963
wow even when they accomplish something it only appeals to homeschooled nerds

>>11718938
Kalevala is one of their most well known books. It inspired Tolkien somewhat.

>>11718938
Finnish literature doesn't translate or resonate very well with anglos I've noticed. The literary tradition is actually pretty strong, they just keep it to themselves.

There are great finnish writers that have had success abroad though, like Waltari.

>>11718966
moomins are unironically the most intellectual comic strip ever created

>>11718966
>>11719114
and it's swedish

>>11719119
Swedish-speaking Finnish

>>11719119
written in swedish by a finnish dude, actually

>>11719133
a chick actually.

>>11719154
Lars Jansson was a dude.

>>11719157
You're right, I was thinking of the books.

>>11718938
*kills your cat*

>>11719119
>>11719127
>>11719133
The Moomins aren't finnish or swedish; they are fenno-swedish.

>>11718938
>"In the beginning there were the marsh, the hoe – and Jussi".

I haven't published my opus magnum yet. Just you wait.

>>11719397
I have!

>>11718938
Cuz I ain't bothered.

>>11718938
t. Park Ping-pong

>>11719289
is this man made of wood ?

>>11718938
>criticizing the second best country in Europe
KYS

>>11718938
Can we pretend the Linux kernel is literature?

>>11719430
and that's why no one has never head of you.

>>11720040

>>11718938
tried to read Arto Paasilinna, shit was terrible

*coughs*

>>11719467
he is the spirit of the forest

>>11719119
>>11718938
DELETE

>>11718938
You better take that back if you like your testicles intact, sweetie

>>11718938
>doesn't know about the paramount maximalist work of the 21st century

>>11720831
best looking writer alive desu

book is okay too

Its because the 99% are uter crap, the rest is pure gold.

>>11719289
Finnish version of Mr Boom with more unpleasant Nazi vibes

>>11719105
Well story of Kullervo inspired Tolkien, and according to some sources Shakespeare's Hamlet. For some reason anglos like a story where guy fucks up everything he does, and later kills himself.

>>11720831
this cover's structure bothers me
also, I heard that Miki posts on /lit/, is it true?

>>11720069
Yeah, he's bad

>>11720049
lol based finns with their vintage memes

>>11722299
>For some reason anglos like a story where guy fucks up everything he does, and later kills himself.
Who doesn't? A good epic tragedy is great.

>>11722403
no, i don't

>>11718938
Maybe because of a lack of social interaction.

How can an entire half of the world be so devoid of literary talent?

>>11722965
Obviously Malaria has a lot to do with it.

>>11722913
ah, fair enough, thanks.

>>11718938
But I havent finished my novel yet

>>11718938
I wish I was Finnish. Seems like the best country and yet they still mostly remain under the radar. The only thing you ever really hear about Finland is their education system.

>>11723080
And whenever Finland is mentioned somewhere and is slightly relevant Finnish people instantly go apeshit.

Oh and we are constantly wondering what other countries think about us.

>>11723360
There's this joke about three soldiers encountering a pig on a field.

The Russian soldier is getting hungry and just dreaming of all the meat he could make out of that thing.
The Swedish soldier is waiting for the dark so that he could make a closer acquaintance with the pig...
The Finnish soldier is wondering what that pig thinks of him.

Finland greatest gift to humanity is Spurdo

>>11723401
>swedes
>pigfuckers
you're thinking of danes

Because it isn't translated to other languages
And it's good that the pure finnish language isn't altered for foreigntards

>>11722898
absolute cuckoldry and self-hatred

>>11723772
I love tragedies.

>>11723767
This

>>11724312
This is literally "Finnish Ulysses"
It won't be translated not because it's untranslatable (which it might be, whatever) but because it has no value to anyone but a Finn
Ulysses is interesting to the WHOLE WORLD because it is a great piece of literature
This is just "we can also do it" kind of thing
Its notability in Finland is thanks to it being Finnish, it only stands a chance if judged at that standard, never if judged at an INTERNATIONAL standard (ie the most demanding of all standards)
It's like winning at the paraolympics.

>>11718938
they use their talent killing commies instead
more based imo

>>11723772
According to Aristotle the function of the tragedy was to instill a sense of catharsis; to "free" the audience of feelings like fear or pity. I think it rings pretty true.

I'd argue cuckold porn is more comedy than tragedy.

>>11724438
isn't there some kind of swedish translation?

>>11723401
This helps me understand myself better, thanks

>>11724438
Have you read it?

>>11723401
kek, I will always remember my finnish coworker calling Swedes faggots. Truly a based people

>>11722965
obvious Libya

>>11724549
apparently
made by the same person who did the first swedish translation of ulysses

>>11724473
>According to Aristotle the function of the tragedy was to instill a sense of catharsis; to "free" the audience of feelings like fear or pity. I think it rings pretty true.
Remember: translators of ancient greek are still arguing whether, where Aristotle lived, lexemes used by him meant "freeing" or "understanding".

>I'd argue cuckold porn is more comedy than tragedy.
True, but it's a close one, truly a fair mix of both

>>11723080
because there are like 5 Finnish people in total, it is an irrelevant country. Theyre just really good at some things so they get written about as a kind of model country for neoliberals or whatever the fuck

>>11725040
As a neolib I have to disavow Finland economically because their tax rate is too high but I would live there given the chance.

>>11719289
I have a fantasy where I go fishing with Linkola amid long silences and brief fishing pointers and I ask him about ornithology and falconry

Just how hard is Finnish to learn? They are an interesting people

>>11727139
Finnish is easy.

>>11727152
every language has complexity, they just distribute it differently
finnish for example doesn't have a shit ton of retarded irregular verbs like english

>>11727163
well it apparently has a shit ton of retarded nouns

>>11720831
It's shit though. The kind of DFW-influenced drivel you would expect from the sophomoric types of /lit/.

Though I have to admit that whenever someone mentions the book I iinstantly think about Histoire d'O and get a pleasant urge to masturbate.

>>11723571
True, swedes get fucked by the pigs

>>11724312
unironically this

iida a cute!

Why was the thread about america being devoid of literary talent closed for being off topic, and this one not? You're not being nice mods

>>11723080
Finland is in such an appalling state of moral and cultural decline, and an embarrassment in general, everyone is too ashamed to tell outsiders about their country. People only care about making profit, yet we suck at economics. Our school, language, arts, and national identity are being destroyed under the pretense of saving money. In 50 years, 80% of Finns will speak only English and the rest are illiterate.

>>11718938
It's just not widely translated. Finnish modernist poetry is excelent

>>11727292
>DFW-influenced drivel
I've seen this book being described as "Infinite Jest-y", but honestly, a ton of contemporary avant-garde/PoMo gets called that (or "DFW-influenced drivel").

How is that directly derivative of IJ? Does the guy parrot Endnotes? Does he drop a super rare word twice within the novel, both uses being on the same page? Does he convolute linearity in a quirky manner?

>>11727367
I had no idea; that's sad to hear. Why do countries keep falling for the austerity meme? It fails everywhere.

>>11723423
kaksoispiste dee dee dee dee

>>11727367
Kill yourself, Finland isn't even close to being as morally corrupt as it's neighboring countries are.

>>11723080
Finland in the 80s was probably the best country to live in. After that it has been steady decline, you dont want here.

>>11727587
Russia will annex it before the turn of 2030, and then it will be.

>>11727594
Finnic guerilla warfare is unbeatable

>>11727594
Finland needs another good war to pick itself up from its economic funk.

>>11727431
Embarassing abuse of endnotes mostly.

>>11718938
Our way of thinking is too alien and too homely for you of the Indo-European tongue. We can be understood by all, though. Bet that isn't what you want to do.

https://youtu.be/XSDAxqfb8ZI

The entire Mongol race is devoid of literary talent

>>11720280
Anssi is that you?

>>11720280
Soldiers of Odin? Foreign rape babies.

I do wonder.

>ctrl + f
>"seven brothers"
>0 results
the absolute state of /lit/

ebin menes > literature

>>11728307
Stfu

>>11728307
Garbage novel congratulated only because it's the first [qualifier] novel. where qualifier is Finnish. It's like congratulating someone for being the first womeme to fly across the Atlantic.

>>11728326
All memes baffle the literary analysts.

>>11727272
No? Pic is just an example of agglutination with cases

How can one country have so much literary talent?
Bravo, Eesti.

Who cares. Our memes will last longer than any literature, and will be marveled by future generations.
>>11727367
If you speak about Helsinki that's accurate.
>>11727587
>Kill yourself, Finland isn't even close to being as morally corrupt as it's neighboring countries are.
Even though things are not bad as our neighbors, that does not mean things are good in Finland.

>>11728348
and yet, /lit/ doesn't even read that

>>11727367
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>>11728404
Whenever someone tells me how shit Finland is, I'm just waiting for them to show me a better country and how it does everything so much better. They usually can't.

Maybe Iceland and the Swiss.

>>11728444
My dad traveled to Helsinki for work and said it was the most depressing place he’s ever seen. He/I can’t attest to the quality of life there, but it’s basically like Nebraska in Europe

>>11728456
We're a depressed people for a reason, but the quality of living is still pretty high, and crime and corruption and other misery low.

>>11719154
A lesbian actually.

>>11728477
Finland is the most corrupted country in the world.

>>11728533
I'm gonna have to see some source to that.

>>11728543
Dear brother, this corruption doesn't show up in the statistics as not to disturb the sheeple living under the impression they're in the world's least corrupted country.

>>11728608

>>11728696

>>11728411
Unfortunately we had to read it in school and it's the reason we don't have any literary talent. When you read The Seven Brothers you lose interest in literature once and for all.

t. different fag

Why are you depressed and closed finnbros? Is it something cultural or an historical moment of stagnation?

>>11728831
>sun doesn't shine half the year
>-50 on a warm winter day
gee anon it's a mystery

>>11728831
If you had to study Swedish, you'd be depressed as well.

>>11728831
All the forests, the dark winters, and the sparse population thickness - it allows us to live with very few other human beings around us, and we've kind of gotten used to it.

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>>11728840
Sounds shit mate. I've always found intriguing why people went and lived on harsh temperatures.

>>11728933
Cause they were born there

>>11728945
Okay but why did their ancestors go there to begin with

>>11728533
that's the US, pal.

>>11727940
oh wow, but is there anything reallu decent, some PoMo tricks that are actually interesting?

>>11728945
Even so, people can always migrate. I'm fairly sure that there are a lot of places in the world with the same material well-being as Finland. If people stay there is because they do like it.

>>11728725
I saw this coming.

>>11728971
It's kind of funny, actually, how the best countries in the world - Scandinavia, Iceland, Canada - are all pretty high up north. Only Russia and Alaska suck, and even then only because a more southern place is calling the shot.

>>11728404
>If you speak about Helsinki that's accurate.

Helsinki has made sure the rest of the country is irrelevant and in the process of being deserted. There's a massive pressure for everyone else to move to the capital because that's where all the "life" and jobs are.

>>11728444
>Whenever someone tells me how shit Finland is, I'm just waiting for them to show me a better country and how it does everything so much better.

Yes, this is a common nationalist defense and falls in the category of "so what if I have cancer, the next guy has AIDS too" in its senselessness.

>>11729284
>"so what if I have cancer, the next guy has AIDS too"
Okay, but what about if we have common cold or something and literally almost the entire rest of the world has cancer or AIDS?

>>11729284
Long ago the country bore the country-town and nourished it with her best blood. Now the giant city sucks the country dry, insatiably and incessantly demanding and devouring fresh streams of men, till it wearies and dies in the midst of an almost uninhabited waste of country.
― Oswald Spengler
But Finland is not alone in that, lot of shit is fucked worldwide.
>>11728543
Well there is no corruption, just kind brother networks.

>>11728996
Also funny how the best countries in the world are so devoid of literary talent.

>>11729550
They have no suffering in them. You need suffering to paint great new worlds to paper.

>>11729542
>Well there is no corruption, just kind brother networks.
Isn't that the very definition of corruption?

>>11729616
nice genre fiction. (I mean that sincerely, but it is still genre)

>>11729581
Yes. That is just common phrase that is used in Finland. Corruption does not show anywhere in studies or graphs or such, but it's quite widely known that its there.

>>11729627
>genre fiction
That word means nothing, especially in the context of anything published before the eighties.

>>11729640
Genre fiction proper becomes a thing in the modern age.

>>11729550
This bait is too good to pass up. Norway’s literary history alone justifies all of Scandinavia’s writing endeavors. Also the dude who wrote The Long Ships is Swedish

>>11728996
cold places are the hardest to survive and require solidarity, long term planning, problem solving skills and good organisation. they pretty much select for smart people who can get along.

compare the original tropics of africa where you can just feast on wild fruit year round and be dumb as a brick and survive anyway

>>11728970
Nothing new under the sun.
He mostly parrots DFW.

>>11729575
But Finland has plenty of suffering.

>>11728778
kek

>>11731085
It's a pretty boring kind of suffering though, so it doesn't lead to great works of art.

>>11718938
Aside from Waltari, Linna and Huovinen, of whose productions are now nothing but yesteryears stale memes, there is nothing but even more staler than stale productions of so called artists whose so called talent is only applauded by same inbred group thinking ring of circlejerking shitfucks.
Whole culture scene of finland is infested thoroughly with this kind of clique behaviour. 99% of them are delusional left wingers who tear anything that resembles good down to their own level. It is jante’s law in action, only washed and rinsed through endless cycles of DDR, USSR and NKish brainwashing. So called literary talent is a small clique of nobodies circlejerking over each other. Comic scene is the same. Newcomers must adapt to that mindset if they are to succeed in this market: All the ”influential” critics are of the same circle of people and they accept only literature that rubs them in their way. This kills it. Literature of finland in 2018 is shit. SHIT.

>>11731085
>finland
>greece
>western europe

>>11732069
To continue; one and only succesful author in this niche market is Ilkka Remes with his adeventure-thrillers, but they too are targeted for domestic market. This guy stays out of radar of publicity, which is the only option in this climate, for every major public media is fevered with aforementioned cronies of blatant shitness and cringe.

>>11732069
Agreed.
What should we do about it? Start a journal? Write a manifesto?

>>11728778
>not appreciating seven brothers
truly a pleb

>>11732069
t. Olli Immonen

>>11732069
They would fit right in /lit/

>>11729457
That's just belittling or deliberately turning a blind eye to the crippling problems the country faces today.

>>11732445
Nothing can ever be perfect, and whatever Finland is going through is hardly "crippling".

>>11732283
right wing literature squads when

>>11720376
>sofi oksanen
>estonian who has made life's work of crying about soviets

>>11723767
Words are easy to translate but the meaning is hard.

>>11724450
>die for israel
>based

>>11732283

Think of hypothetical novel that introduces black main character in story for white finnish audience. This is utter failure. It kills it. Nobody would buy it. Nobody in real world would do it. Yet in finland, i could credibly imagine that it could be somehow forcibly be excremented in paper form. it would be greeted by media as groundshaking, a must read, triumph to celebrate for! it would be ooh’d and aah’d as a to-be-winner-of-finlandia for weeks. It is so ridiculous. Nobody would read it, but the whole first press is sold to every school; it is a cultural milestone after all. It’s fucking cancer.

>>11732586
Isn't that basically true in the entire literature clique worldwide, though?

>>11732591
Our clique is the most insane, bewitched and shrewd. It’s a fullhouse lunatic asylum. It is almost as if...no, scrach that; it IS a total sub-culture infestation of what was once good. It is an acme of seventy years of subversion. Finnish literature is more and more crippled. It is downhill from fifties onward.