/lit/ - Literature

Too close to India and China, not enough river valleys.

>>11711905
The languages there fucked up. The way things are spelled compared to the way they are spoken makes it very difficult to read and write in those languages.

>>11711905
Literature is a part of white culture. There's no scale or second place, just mediocre nonwhites mimicking.

>>11712524
But the earliest examples of literature were created by nonwhites.

>>117125247
you have to go back >>>/pol/

>>11712524
Kys, unironically. Just do it. Not even >>>/pol/

Genetics.

>>11711905
Race, primarily, their culture is also shit. You're however forgetting half of the other world like Africa, Australia and the Americas whos natives are retards as well.

>inb4 some obscure shit tier literature from the region

I want at least 5% of the quality and quantity of Europe and Asia before you attempt to pretend race doesn't exist or is negligible.

>>11712346
>not enough river valleys.
Interesting, can you expand that a little bit more?

>>11712352
>The languages there fucked up.
True, SEA in general is a cultural sponge for so long and the resistance against cultural change is not so much there in comparison with the other regions.

>The way things are spelled compared to the way they are spoken makes it very difficult to read and write in those languages.
I agree, the people of Malay archipelago have changed drastically their writing tradition by replacing the old sanskrit/local alphabets with Arabic during the rise of Islamic kingdoms(and through the Islamisation of the region in general) that replaced the previous Hindu/Buddhist traces with what was trending at that time. Written language was a privilege taught and practiced only by the elites while the language of the lower caste was only possible to be transmitted verbally. Which is why some of their intellectuals have the opinion that the adoption of Arabic seems to have produced a liberating impact from the oppression of the old empire, since they tried to make it more accessible for the common people.

I would recommend Noli me Tangere and El Filibusterismo. Possibly in Spanish.

>>11712585
>being this triggered

>>11712573
>>11712585
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HE SAID SOMETHING RACEY GET OFF MUH BOARD

you're just as bad as pol except your a leftist

>>11712610
>I want at least 5% of the quality and quantity of Europe and Asia before you attempt to pretend race doesn't exist or is negligible.
Gilgamesh.

>>11711905
I think it's the culture. I had to fight really hard with my parents just to pursue an English major. From a young age, you're pressured to pursue something practical if you have a modicum of talent, e.g. engineering, medicine, law, business, accounting, etc. If you do something impractical, you'll never hear the end of it from your parents and extended family.

>>11712610
>I want at least 5% of the quality and quantity of Europe and Asia before you attempt to pretend race doesn't exist or is negligible.
But it is already a part of Asia, no? (even genetically closer to east asians than the indians)

>>11712666
I said Asia you tard, that includes the middle east.

>>11712566
Nope.

>>11712691
It's usually considered part of Oceania.

>>11712566
All literature and civilization was created by whites before the Atlantean civilization suffered the impending collapse that occurred, lucky for civilization the written language managed to survive through the Thule culture of the Germanic supermen.

>>11712707

>>11712704
Sumerians weren't white.
>>11712712
Where are the proofs?

>>11712727
Whites used to live throughout the middle east and began the civilization in Mesopotamia. The Sumerians came after or were a result of mixing, then the semitic Akkadians came in.

>Thread derailed this fast
Jeez, /lit/.

>>11712742
Where are the proofs?

>>11712754
White people are smart
Sandniggers are stupid
Ergo sandniggers couldn't have built ziggurats and wrote the Epic of Gilgamesh
Ergo ancient Aryans did it.

QED mudskins.

>>11712728
gay map probably made by the jews

>>11712777
You're not even trying, lol.

>>11712754
The pre-sumerian language was an Indo-European one and numerous Indo-European tribes lived in the region and all the way east to India, which is why Indians still speak an Indo-European language today. Look up a paper by Gordon Whittaker on the subject.

>>11712782
my trips confirm retard

>>11712786
Its not confirmed indo-european, but it was proposed and later decided the evidence was not adequate to decide what origin the language is from.

>>11712801
No, it's pretty clear. The institutions making the determinations you are repeating are semites, and likely the same semites who came in and wrecked the Sumerian civilization in a matter of decades.

>>11712689
Country?

>>11712821
Hahahaha epic based leftypol poster!

>>11712829
Philippines

>>11711905
An old ('70) universal history books collection i have in my house had a chapter dedicated to this place. Basically it said that south-east asia is a strange place, where Indian and Chinese cultures clashes and mix, and while the local populations have some things in common with the others, they cant be classified as an unique cultural block, like India, China, Western Europe or the Islamic world

So instead of creating literature, they simply took the Chinese and Indian ones, depending about the region (and later, in Indonesia, Islamic literature too) and thus there wasnt any reason to start develop something culturally unique to the zone, because they blindy workshipped other culture works as the bests

>>11713547

Continuing, a local power capable of unify the culture of the SEA region could have mixed Indian and Chinese cultura heritages to something unique, but as i said, no one was able to do that, so the west remained orbiting around India, the north around China, and later the south went on his own way, and all those zones still today share few aspects between each other

So rather that an area, SEA should be considered a place where Indian, Chinese, and Islamic worlds limbs meets each other without mend

>>11712821
this is the most historically illiterate thing ive ever seen in my entire life

>>11713593
Says the guy who can't capitalize the first letter of his sentences and use periods.

The region has more than a few excellent filmmakers, so I don't see why there would be a lack of literary figures. Can't confirm in either direction, personally

The languages, cultures and even ideologies are too fractured. Come back in 100 years.

>>11713977
>The region has more than a few excellent filmmakers
I could only recall that gay Thai movie with an incarnation of a tiger spirit and a soldier. Who are you talking about?

>>11714043
> Come back in 100 years.
They'll just become another Sharia vassal state, though.

I've been to SE Asia. The people are either lazy, crazy, or dumb. No surprise nothing important comes out of there.

>>11714077
>The people are either lazy, crazy, or dumb.
Human capital flight is an issue right there, due to the corruption, discrimination, and violence. Malaysia for example lost 4 percent of its GDP growth by pressuring its chinese population through discrimination to emigrate(to singapore or to somewhere else).

>>11711905
Why didn't you include Papua New Guinea?

>>11714146
See >>11712728

>>11714051
i remember a really good movie called The Last Life in the Universe that had a good mix of danger, romance, and humor

Those may be the only examples and I may have spoken too soon. I just spent 15 minutes trying to remember the name of the movie Hole, but it turns out the movie was Taiwanese. So I take it all back.

Uncle Boonmee and Act of Killing Though...

>>11714066
>another Sharia vassal state
Islam is not even the biggest outside influence in this region. Do you even live here?

>>11714170
Okay, what then? Everything seems to point at this direction for the malay archipelago countries.
>Do you even live here?
No.

>>11714179
The Islam SEA practices is very naturalized and personalized to their taste (like Hinduism and Buddhism that came before), which is trying to distinguish itself from ME, especially about the issue of the burqa.

Biggest influence from the outside is between China and USA, with both sides splitting the region up in their own power games with one another. It helps that the Chinese diaspora is often the conduit for said outside influence.

That's the Mexico of Asia

Is there literally anything coming out of Oceania that is of value to the humanities?

>>11711905
Filipino here. There's actually a huge increase of published novelists in the last few years and we have our own classics from the last 30 years. You wouldnt know it of course because you dont speak our languagr and people are quick to shrug us off for being third world countries.

>>11712821
>but the indo-european academics saying that sumeria was indo-european during the rise of european nationalism definitely werent lying though, they just wanted the truth unlike those lousy semites i just assume were doing stuff!
>likely the same semites
Yes, the Akkadians, the very first people to oppress, genocide, and deport the Jews are absolutely in cahoots with modern-day Jews based on having a language technically within the same language family. And the only remaining descendants of the Akkadians, the Assyrians, definitely aren't rabid pro-western anti-semitic Christians
kys yourself

>>11715642
Yeah those non-jews weren’t their friends. Tbh. Whoa.

>>11715646
I get so pissed when people interpret western history like some eternal battle between Semites and Indo-Europeans where the Semites are worse at everything but somehow control Indo-European civilization and also everyone has always had an instinctual loyalty to members of their only recently classified language families.
What kind of fucking alien spaceship crashed in the steppe to turn the Indo-Europeans into the supermen these faggots romanticise them as? That some divine event occurred that blessed them with the power of spirituality and creativity so they could go forth and create the most spiritually bankrupt society in history.
And the fucking WEWUZZING too. I'm to believe that the Sumerians, who lived before the Indo-European expansion and absurdly far away from their homeland were some kind of lost tribe of Israel. That I should start off with the cart in front of the horse by assuming that only Aryans can do things and whenever I see things done, no matter where the location, assume that Aryans did it instead of questioning that they have a monopoly on artistic thought.
It's so tiring that they've come to infect every board now with their childish interpretations, Jew accusations and general slur-flinging.

>>11711905
Because you have to have an actual civilization first, not some glorified jungle monkeys pretending to be humans.

>>11713702
what a bitch-ass rebuttal good lord

>>11711905
There's a ton of great SEA literature that isn't accessible in English or outside of academia. All of which aren't even available in bookz.

>>11715699
That’s not a very civilized thing to say. I assume you are a bitter third world nigger?

>>11711905
>not including India
>making sense
Pick one

>>11711905
?King Vajiravudh was one of Thailand's most highly renowned artists, writing modern novels, short stories, newspaper articles, poems, plays, and journals. He translated many of English literature and French literature into Thai.
>The king was well-versed in Sanskrit and Hindu literature, including the Ramayana and the Mahabharata epics. He translated many stories from the two epics into Thai and also wrote plays inspired by Hindu literature. He was influenced by Rama, the incarnation of Lord Vishnu and hero of the Ramayana epic, to the extent that he systemized and promoted the use of the name "Rama" as the (English) reign names of all Thai kings of the Bangkok (Rattanakosin) era.
>In 1914 King Vajiravudh published in a Thai newspaper an article titled "The Jews of the East" (Thai: ยิวแห่งบูรพาทิศ) where "It combined themes of European anti-Semitism with the fear of the 'Yellow Peril'" and accused Chinese immigrants in Thailand of excessive "racial loyalty and astuteness in financial matters."

How could one man be so based?

>>11712691
>>11712666
Gilgamesh is mesopotamia, you retaded plebs. And if you knew anything at all about the time and place, you would know that the whole middle east was caucasian, meaning made out of neolithic farmers and indo-europeans. If you would see such a face today it would be similar to the ancient greeks for the most part.

Gilgamesh is ancient european just like the Edda.

>>11716559
Finally some fucking reason.
I'm Mesopotamian (not Arab) and I'm fairer than half the Greeks and Italians I know.

>>11716594
It's really a shane that anglos call the middle east "asian" just to make the paki rape gangs be associable with japs instead of arabs. Mesopotamia has such an unique history and is a great example of what happens to even the greatest civilization if it gets overrun by muzzies.

>>11711905

>>11716634
>affirmatice action publication
Literally what is this supposed to be about?

>>11716617
If only there was no Muhammad
>mesopotamia was slowly becoming Christian
>no religious divide between Europe and the middle east
>both regions evolve together through trade and religious brotherhood
>no occupation of the middle east by European powers leading to autistic borders
>no pan-Arabism crushing individual near eastern nations
>a middle east of thriving nation states each maintaining their own traditions and each a clear continuation of their ancient forefathers in eternal brotherhood with Europe under Christ
It could've been so good

>>11712727
>Sumerians weren't white.
How do you know this?

>>11716634
>>11711905
The Philippines is one of the few places where literature pushed forward revolution, so Noli Me Tangere is a legitimately important historical work, not quite so much El Filibusterismo but it's there. As well the Philippines has a pre-Modern epic under its belt in Ibong Adarna. There are also a few worthwhile poets IIRC.

Spain has a habit of leaving some kind of decent culture behind its colonial wake, but sadly, America colonized the Philippines afterwards and nothing of worth has come out of the country since that I can think of.

>>11716674
And the worst thing is that your people have been completly forgotten by the majority of europeans, if they at all know anything they think you were arabs. I know some persians personally and there is nothing they hate with such passion like islam and getting dumped into the same corner with them.

But on a more positive note, what would you recommend from your culture which should be read by anybody interested about how things where in the past? Most publications I come across are politically indoctrinated to shit on europeans and brown wash it all.

>>11716700
Well, I'm Assyrian and while some Assyrians (usually the younger ones) don't consider themselves white (although I do) they don't generally fall for the oppressed PoC identity thing and would hate nothing more than to be associated with Arabs or Islam. They see themselves more akin to Southern Europeans or people like Armenians and Maronites.
Tbh, the Assyrian history after we became Christian is the history of the Syriac church. There is almost no national identity that wasn't drawn from us being a Christian people surrounded by Muslims. So, in the way of literature, I would suggest learning about the history of the Syriac Orthodox Church or the Assyrian Church of the East. There are countless theologians, poets, and philosophers who went unnoticed amongst Christianity as they wrote in Syriac instead of Greek or Arabic.
Lucian of Samosata is a pretty well known Syriac writer, just off the top of my head, although I think he was a pagan and was pretty Hellenised (most Assyrians of note at that time were Hellenised)

>>11716556
t pornsuck
nobody cares about your semen slurping coward thaishit, you absolute cumdumpster of a country. Seriously disgusting subhuman

>>11716674
>>no religious divide between Europe and the middle east
I don't know if that's fair to say. That Christianity spreading in the pre-Islamic Middle East was largely Nestorian. That's pretty different from Catholic and Orthodox Christianity.

>>11716655
Sparked a revolution, among many of the Authors books. He became their national hero because he fought Spanish Colonialism with his literary works.

>>11716755
Though luck, you're all brown people regardless of what you think or feel.

>>11716892
In practice, Nestorianism is fairly similar to Oriental Orthodoxy. The separation of the Nestorian church from the Chalcedonian church was mostly due to Christians within the Persian empire having to distance themselves from Rome.
Plus, Nestorianism was mainly isolated to Mesopotamia. The Levant, Anatolia, and Egypt were pretty firmly Catholic and Orthodox.

>>11716674
t. brainlet

>>11716971
>t. muzzie
Or of course a mutt american.

>>11716678
>>11712742
WE

>>11716971
>t. Racial insecurities coping
Your double-platinum white man club membership isn't as exclusive as you'd like it to be.
>brown people
I bet my skin is fairer than yours.
>luck
Faith in Christ is not luck, you'd know that if you believed in anything larger than petty tribalism and muh immigants.
>you're all brown people
He says, desperate for the world to be simple enough for his /pol/ faggotry to be valid.
The fact is, Syriacs contributed more to the West through Greek and Christian thought than many European peoples did.
Are you Nordic, maybe your ancestors burned a few of my ancestors poems or biblical commentaries in their illiterate spasms when they were raping the continent they would later take credit for creating?

>>11717007
Sitting between dunes and shoving sand in your vagina doesn’t make you white.

>>11717014
I'm a Polak, I'm the whitest human you'll ever encounter. And still there are MEs down there which have direct descendance from the same ancestors us norther europeans, visible in their phenotype. Many of them more european than your average american creatura, with nordic facial features and even pigmentation.

So don't try to jew them.

>>11717014
>current year
>people still want to be white
does not compute

>>11717013
You're a Near East mutt through and through, like everyone else in your sand hut neighbourhood.
You'd be clinically braindead for denying that.

>>11717022
>slavs
>white

>>11717022
Thanks for the backup. While folk in the northern part of the middle-east are descended from the same three ancient populations as Europeans, what matters is that Christians in the near-east who immigrate are pro-west, anti-jew, anti-muslim, want to assimilate, and are fair enough to not stick out in any non-nordic country.
>>11717026
>mutt
Autistic screeching. Assyrians are more endogamous than your personal brand of mystery meat.
>sand hut neighborhood
My homeland is the mountains. You'd know that if you had any concept of the middle-east other than 'sand be here'.

>>11717045
Hiding behind "mystic ancestors" doesn’t make you white either.
You also no concept of the history of migration but I don’t fault you for that, mountain folks aren’t exactly known for their smarts after all.

>>11711905
>t. SEAsian
wait until I finish writing my magnum opus, still need a lot of work/editing/etc. (it is written in malay btw)

>>11713977
>>11714164
y'all don't sleep on Laz Diav..

>>11717055
>mystic ancestors
What mysticism am I implying?
>the history of migration
Go on, faggot, lecture me on my history. Maybe in the process, you could actually refute one of my points, or am I being too optimistic?

>>11714051
The film you're talking about is Tropical Malady by Apichatpong Weerasethakul.

>>11717064
"the same three ancient populations" isn't very scientific, my friend.

>>11714051
>>11714164
Don't forget Lav Diaz.

>>11717031
R1a is the actual "ayran" phenotype, larper. Meanwhile germans are mutts of different proto-europeans and other migrational waves, from which most anglos and murimutts descent, if not even enriched by beaners, kikes and literal inhuman SSA apes.

Slavs, have the highest concentrations because they were one of the last migrational waves from the indo-european motherland, therefore the least mixed through time as well as due to the linguistic border, which calls their direct neighboors "those without language" for a good reason.

>>11717070
Literally, every person of indigenous European, Middle-Eastern, and North African descent can be traced back to the Western Hunter-Gatherers, the Early European Farmers, and the Ancient North Eurasians. All the people from these three regions (basically all Caucasians) share a common ancestry of these three peoples. This has already been proven via archaeogenetics (not mysticism) and you can go online right now and even check the percentages of those three populations that each modern nation is comprised of.
To be honest, I'm not surprised you've gone and interpreted mainstream science as mysticism. Your ancestors probably encountered something similar when they had to give up human-sacrifice.

>>11712625
Civilizations tend to sprout around river valleys (Tigris and Euphrates, Nile, Indus and Ganges, Yellow River, etc.) because rivers provide irrigation for farming, water for drinking, and transportation. Culture is dependent on the level of civilization achieved

>>11716694
> implying Filipinos actually read Rizal instead of viewing him as a Christ-like figure

Someone didn’t read ‘Veneration without Understanding’

>>11717090
Simply by using "Caucasian" you're already disqualified from any serious scientific discourse.
Also that still doesn't make you white.

>>11711905
I think we should read something. Read more talk less.

>>11717097
Most likely that he was referring to the Spanish Regime, my pamilya. No prominent or noteworthy historical figure would be immune from veneration after a while though, especially in such a backwards country as this.
Anyway, any recs? Looking for some obscure books to read.

>>11717184
>realizing you have no rebuttal then trying to squirm out of the argument in the slimiest possible way
Hebrew-tier, half a step above unironically correcting someones grammer and treating that as a counter-argument.
>thinking Caucasian isn't a valid anthropological term but white is despite the former having a clearer definition based in science whereas the latter is purely based on the individuals feelz
Scientists can tell if someone is Caucasian or not just based on their skull with 95% accuracy.
>saying someone else can't participate in scientific discourse when he didn't even know about WHG EEF ANE populations and thought it was mysticism.
Utterly laughable.
Gosh, It's too bad I am white. I do hate to share a race with the likes of you.

I have read one short translated Indonesian story about circumcision ceremony. Don't have much impression.

>>11717237
>Gosh, It's too bad I am white. I do hate to share a race with the likes of you.
Just remember that he's most likely either a divisive kike or a "dark blonde" euromutt at best, thinking of himself as the Übermensch because he's 5'8'' just like the malnoursihed german men during the depression and between two world wars which wanted to join the SS needed to be, kvetching about how women today have unrealistic male beauty standards.

>>11711905
The USA spent 20 years destroying it and then supporting dictators in it afterwards

>>11714427
sort your shit out first

They are literal jungle monkeys desu
The ones who aren’t move to the west

>>11711905
Because their languages are fungible to the point of ridiculousness. Imagine if English, circa the 17th century, also incorporated significant amounts of Austronesian & Sino-Tibetan aspects

>>11717830
kenya expand on that, brudda

>>11717281
>Blonde
>White
you barbarians were shitting all over yourselves until very recently, hardly white at all

>>11717899
>having such a bad reading comprehension