/lit/ - Literature

>>11707978
the sea is the sea

>>11707978
I haven't read it in a while but I remember it being about how the boy was upset that his idols wasn't as perfect as he thought. I'll read it again this weekend and make a new thread if you want.

>>11707978
Ryuji represents the old Japan, its values and adventurous spirit. He falls in love with a woman who owns a western clothing store and has started to adopt western values. Just as Japan started to 'westernize' after the war, which Mishima was conflicted about. Noboru eventually saves Ryuji's honor, by sparing him a disgraceful slide from bold sailor to ordinary dad. Ryuji actually saves his own face by realising in his final moment how much he loved his old life. These are just my two cents, might be wrong.

>>11708021
I thought it would be something more deep

>>11708048
Great thinking Anon
Maybe this is what Mishima was trying to say after all. So Noboru did that thing with Ryuji in the end symbolizing the change of time.
So the first Chief could be something more? Like a personification of time?

>>11708007
I thought the sea could be something more when Noboru saw the sea in a cat's blood

>>11708146
What’s deeper than the sea dude?

the sea represented freedom and adventure to noboru. his first connection to the sea was through ryuji, and ryuji was becoming a literal cuck. so noboru had to stop ryuji from becoming a cuck, or else he would become a cuck as well.

overall, i think the story was about not getting cucked.

>>11707978
The sea and the sailor's life exist as an abstract representation of manhood. Ryuji shuns a stable family life for an over-mythologised sense of "adventure" and vague dreams of glory. Though he still yearns for a woman he believes she will come to him naturally after he acheives his grand destiny. But he has become disillusioned after many years at sea and is plagued with doubt about this plan and decides to settle into a normal life, effectively giving up his dreams.

Noburu's first impression of Ryuji is as a wild sailor and a True Man, Noboru isn't at all upset to see this stranger having sex with his mother, he sees it as proof that Ryuji is true to himself (Docking in a strange port and seducing a local woman is a pretty typical example of the mythologised sailor's life). Ryuji doesn't live up to this image though, he makes akward conversation and say stupid things, acts overly romantic and just generally acts like a normal person instead of an ubermensch sailor. Noburu considers all this a betrayal, especially when Ryuji fully rejects the sailors life and just becomes a boring father who works at a clothes shop, and decides to kill him.

>>11708202
I meant something more philosophical with a deep meaning

>>11708210
The sailor who fell from cuckness

>>11708219
Yeah this is more like Mishima. The idea of Manhood is something he speaks about in confessions of a mask as well, isn't?

Your explanation was the best, thanks anon. I fell like I truly understand the book now.

>>11708202

ur mom

>>11708266
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

what is some other cat torture kino?
already read satantango

The sea was the grand destiny/mission that awaited noboru. He knew he was exceptional and that history had reserved something special for him. That and the stuff about japan >>11708048 said

>>11708245
What's more philosophically deep than an obscuring and widespread abyss that you can fall into. As Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche said, "He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster. And if thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee." ; if one admires the sea for too long, they will inevitably fall in like the Narcissus of old.

>>11708532
THAT WAS DEEP
But I was speaking in a deep way of thinking not something really deep like the sea

>>11708469
Oooh so that's why Noboru saw the sea on the Cat's blood.
Thanks Anon, everything makes sense now