/lit/ - Literature

>>11693429
i too need the answer

>>11693429
stop caring whether or whether not you fap. when you no longer care about doing or not doing, you stop doing.

>>11693429
Take a long break from this place and anything else that encourages narcissistic thinking and actions like masturbation and worship of the self (social media, including YouTube).

one day at a time. i was as bad off as anyone when it came to fapping, now i'm basically eliminated. be tough, stop watching porn

>>11693429
I’m 17 days in. My previous record was 8 days, but that was months ago. Almost every day I get the urge to fap, and I might even start stroking or facilitating the thoughts, but I always remember a few key points:

1)The pleasure is temporary
2) I know what it’s like to masturbate, but I do not know what it’s like to refrain from masturbation for x amount of days
3) The greatest men of all time were either celibate or were not known for constantly having sex/masturbating
4) Masturbation is non-productive. It wastes time and only results in temporary pleasure. It is an illusion of success, not the real thing.

Also, I actually do feel more comfortable socially now and i think my face has more of a glow to it. And when I see girls at my Uni I’m more sexually attracted to them, even if they’re less my type. I’ve been to porn sites a few times but somehow I quit every time. Now I don’t visit them because sometimes the temptation was almost strong enough to defeat me.

Willpower is not the most important thing in recovering from addiction. I went to a dozen therapy sessions to try to cure my habit, and that's the first thing the doctor tried to drill into me. Addiction is hard-wired into your brain, so you have to un-wire it. My basic takeaways from therapy:
-porn is the source of addiction; fap all you want to imaginary things
-google 'wisemind': step outside your body when you feel an urge and understand what's going on chemically in your brain
-Google addiction cycles. Identify the behaviour patterns that precede each porn session, then break those patterns - in my case, girlfriend leaves for work, I'm alone in the house and one thing leads to another. Like putting a stick in the bicycle spokes, I break the pattern by going to the library to work
-the 30-day recovery thing is real. You won't be cured after 30 days of abstinence, but the addiction pathways in your brain become weak enough that you have a fighting chance
-the superpowers are real: remind yourself how fucking awesome it feels when you've gone 2 weeks without fapping, and be assured it's 50 times better after a month. Do I find myself writing more? You bet your ass, along with every other creative process, plus social benefits etc, and my armpits smell awesome

If you think masturbating is the source of your lack of *energy* or motivation then you're putting the cart before the horse and using masturbation as a cruch both ways.

>>11693429
Just don't go all out at once in quitting. Limit yourself instead. You can quit from that stage eventually. Or just stay at limiting yourself, which is the best method as no fap is a bit rediculous and is prevalent among Autists who can only process all or nothing.

>>11693429
When you get that urge to masturbate, dont.

>>11693429
Just stop doing it, it's that simple

Block all porn websites and cut off ties to anything and everything that will give you an erection.

>>11693429
search for chasteposter's posts. If you want a book about the mind games of porn/masturbation, I recommend this anonymous book inspired by the highly successful Allen Car's Easyway to stop smoking method https://sites.google.com/site/hackbookeasypeasy

>>11694447
chasteposter's posts >>11680210

ITT: r9k

>>11694499
t. porncuck

>>11693429
Just stop vro that's what I did. It helps to realize just how much it'll help when you're doing sexual shit with actual people. You'll be golden. Also, it'll give you the drive to actually get out there and fuck, so there's no reason not to stop.

my fapping problem is with adderall

>>11693429
>>11693433
get a gf. realize women are just annoying humans and not princesses or trophies. sex with a vagene is kind of gross actually. dump her, get another gf. same deal. dump her. be alone for a while. now you're 30-something and your hormones have come down to sane levels and you only fap 2-3 times a month.

there. you're cured!

>>11694466 >>11694447
This

>>11695951
>takes a drug that increases self control
>instills conditioned place preference through his own doing
>dude the drug did this!
No, you did. You made the mistake. Now you suffer the penalty. You could have been productive but you wasted it.

>>11695952
All sexual losses are harmful and hurt motivation. Replacing the hand with the vagina solves nothing.

Honestly, just stop watching porn. Masturbation isn't the problem, porn is.

>>11695975
But is it possible to really know this without experience? Or are you just parroting chasteposter?

>>11695952
Be honest now: have you ever actually had a gf?

>>11696004
sure.

2 serious gf, 6 more separate female individuals with whom sexual congress was attained

several more of unknown quantity with whom non-intercourse gratification was had.

how is this relevant?

>>11696010
>how is this relevant?
it isn't. I'm horny and I'm getting off on your posts

>>11693490
This.
Reading philosophy helps, so does working out. If I have a really good work out I'm even to tired to attempt to jerk off.
I also find visualizing a cackling jew watching me nut collect his jew bucks because my willpower was too weak.

>>11696019
well your questions actually made me go back and double check my numbers. there are additional women with whom i could have slept but it would have been a bad idea because i worked with a few and the other was a barracks turboslut. thinking on it now, i should have gone for it while i was young and in shape.

thinking back it was:
cute irish girl (best ever snappin' vagene)
disgusting asian mother of 1 (traumatic)
tall buzzcut girl from california (amazing after-wedding sex)
extremely fit hawaiian stripper
chinese woman who ate my ass
serious gf #1, petite blonde vegan
a friend's 19yo sister
serious gf #2, big booty brunette /lit/izen

that's it. aside from others that were close (probably would have gone if asked) or the countless who just did manual stimulation.

wew. good memories. i haven't had sex in years, now. i think i should get back into it before i get too much older.

Is fapping such an issue that people have to go cold turkey?
I have never understood this nofap thing, i jerk off once a day and have never felt it has impeded on my life. Wtf is going on with you guys, are you not busy throughout the day?

>>11696039
>cackling Jew
I'll try this

>>11696061
I met an Irish girl out, she was a mess all drunk and fucked up. Told me:

"I'm such a slag, i'm suprised i don't have AIDS"

Proceeded to cover my Glamdring. Very bizzare the irish are.

>>11696064
>busy throughout the day
god no. full days are a sad thing.

>>11693429
I'm on day five of nofap now and I'm still going strong. Start meditating so that you can concentrate all that energy on better things.

>>11693490
> I might even start stroking

If you've stroked it, you've lost. Edging is masturbation (meaning you fapped, you just didn't cum) without an orgasm. Your streak is not 17 days but ended the first day you edged.

>>11693429
huh

>>11695997
>But is it possible to really know this without experience?
I've done both and have abstained. Release brings negative effects no matter what and is impossible to casually abstain once habituated. The very anticipation of sexual activity provokes arousal, making it a source of incessant distraction. Having a girlfriend solves nothing and in many instances, especially if she lives with you, just makes it even worse-- release in the morning will ruin the rest of the entire day and something as simple as a kiss or a sexual comment again provokes arousal that will leave you distracted until that unremitting itch is finally scratched. Look around, most porn addicts progress to women. This is the epitome of "making it" for them. That's why all their other endeavours are so lackluster.
The only difference is the prolactin surge is generally higher following intercourse which means the frequency should be less. However, hormonal regulation almost becomes irrelevant as we as humans have devised means to override them vis-à-vis novelty, coolidge effect, fantasy and further habitual reinforcement for frequent release. We pervade the generative function into such a source of unlimited entertainment that it becomes self defeating. The trajectory of your life is reduced to your sexual whims.
Renounce the flesh in its entirety. This is the only solution if you want to overcome all of its shortfalls. Perhaps that's too extreme in which case, I would say renounce it as a means of frivolous entertainment and instead implicitly link it with procreation so that decisions to engage fundamentally boil down to a matter of family planning, which a priori, should rule out promiscuous women wanting to have sex before this understanding.

>>11696097
This. Let us not forget the wise advice of John Harvey Kellogg M.D who likened what we now call edging to eating to the point where you have the urge to vomit. Like the glutton, the habitual masturbator loses the moment he indulges, with his eyes, minds or physically.

>Emission not Necessary to Health.—If it be argued that an occasional emission is necessary to relieve the overloaded seminal vesicles, we reply, the same argument has been used as an apology for unchastity; but it is equally worthless in both instances. It might be as well argued that vomiting is a necessary physiological and healthful act, and should occur with regularity, because a person may so overload his stomach as to make the act necessary as a remedial measure. Vomiting is a diseased action, a pathological process, and is occasioned by the voluntary transgression of the individual. Hence, it is as unnecessary as gluttony, and must be wasteful of vitality, even though rendered necessary under some circumstances. So with emissions. If a person allows his mind to dwell upon unchaste subjects, indulges in erotic dreams, and riots in mental lasciviousness, he may render an emission almost necessary as a remedial effort. Nevertheless, he will suffer from the loss of the vital fluid just the same as though he had not, by his own concupiscence, rendered it in some degree necessary. And as it would have been infinitely better for him to have retained and digested food in his stomach instead of ejecting it—provided it were wholesome food—so it would have been better for him to have retained in his system the seminal fluid, which would have been disposed of by the system and probably utilized to very great advantage in the repair of certain of the tissues.

>>11695972
it started literally as soon as i hit puberty and started masturbating, ive been on adderall since childhood, it doesn't really help with self control. I take adderall and feel compulsed to beat my dick raw, it also gives me paraphillias, i really enjoy incest and rape porn and fantasy on adderall when i find it disgusting and dont like those fetishes nearly as much without adderall

>>11696321
Like I said, conditioned place preference.
Stimulants lower sex drive in animals until they are forced to copulate. Then, all they do is exhibit hypersexual behaviors while on the drug.
Had you realized the harm of indulging on such a drug, you would have never done it. You were a naive teenager, who, incorrectly made the decision at one point to masturbate on it, which from that point on associated taking the drug with arousal which made it only get worse.
Had you not taken associated it with sex arousal, it would have certainly enhanced self control by enhancing executive function via phamacodynamic actions on the prefrontal cortex.

You're nearly screwed from both stimulant treatment during development and the act of associating sex arousal with it. If you didn't have ADHD symptoms before, you most certainly do now. I can't offer medical advice online but I advise you to consider TMS while on the stimulant.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5070404/

>>11696299
Good quote. I would add to his argument that your body can break down old sperm and use those resources (this is actually why nofappers feel a steady surplus of energy). I also want to add that even when you have a large surplus of semen built up, your body could cause a natural emission in the form of a wet dream. So there is no real excuse to "vomit" as Kellogg would say. Either the energy s used or your body intuitionally knows when to dispose of it.

>>11696299
lol what does he make of involuntary nocturnal emissions? evidence of a diseased unconscious?

Write something with other people.

>>11696456
An involuntary nocturnal emission occurs precisely when there is an overproduction of seminal fluids and an inability of the body to breakdown those fluids at a quick enough rate. This results in a totally natural emission that does not affect a man's nofap streak, but is precisely a sign that he is overflowing and ripe with power and energy. A nocturnal emission for the nofapper is similar to a flash of lighting for the gods: only evidence of power abundance.

>>11696456
Nocturnal emissions do not yield a hormonal penalty. They are mostly cowpers fluid and occur chiefly due to arousal throughout the day. The abate with time to less than once every few months.

>>11693429
huh

>>11693429
That's horse shit, you can do everything and still masturbate. Do you even read, bro?

>>11697319
No it isn't horseshit. Motivational resources are limited and there is a penalty suffered through sexual losses. Prolactin is released and remains elevated for 18+ hours. The acute burst is responsible for the refractory period but it's still high enough to impair motivation. It has antagonistic effects on dopamine transmission. You can still read but you won't have the motivation you otherwise would have had. Habitual sexual behaviors also pollute the subconscious mind so that you obsess over masturbation and sex and randomly get aroused, leading to a never ending cycle of arousal, sexual activity, post orgasmic motivational impairment. If you want boundless motivation and want your mind focused on great tasks instead of muh dick, total abstinence is the only way to go.

>>11693429
I think you know what you must do to free yourself

Based chasteposter. I can't think of another anon who has singlehandedly improved so many people's lives on this board.

>>11693562
The hardest times for me are when I'm going to bed and when I just wake up. I feel like every time I try to sleep, psychic succubi descend on me. It takes all my will to resist.

Just stop it. I started reading when i stopped fapping and haven't stopped reading since

>>11698029
Start waking up between 3:45 - 4:00am.

Eat most of your protein during breakfast and lunch.
Do not eat any meat during your last meal of the day.

Buy blue light blocking glasses and enable blue light filters after 5:00pm.
Sleep on your side. If you cannot fall asleep after 15 minutes get up. If you have any inkling of an urge it thought, get up immediately.

These night time urges will go away, and should cease being a problem once you've had a successful few weeks of abstinence. I attribute them mostly to diet and bad lifestyle factors.
If need be take 750mg of phenibut around 5:00pm. It will suppress the dreaming. It also prevents NPT, i.e., morning wood. This is useful because, for many, arousal is cued to respond with the morning erections which ruins the peace and tranquility of the mornings. In fact, waking up aroused was my last straw that made me realize abstinence was do or die.

>>11697704
Thanks. If some good can come out of this down time for someone, it certainly hasn't been a waste for me.

>>11693429
Actual answer: take antidepressants

1. they kill your libido
2. they stop the suicidal thoughts and depression caused by limited social interaction
3. many like mirtazapine are sedative and help you maintain a good sleep schedule. Studies show that good sleep is integral to willpower

>>11698404
"Studies show" "research has shown" "according to experts" -- all signs you're dealing with a total pseud.

>>11693490
I went 60 days a few months ago and when I broke the streak it was awful. You can feel the energy leaving you. Right now I'm at like a month. I think not counting days is also helpful. If you count days it feels like you're just doing it temporarily.

>>11698626
>You can feel the energy leaving you
This. It's amazing how profound the difference is when you've stopped abusing yourself. The loss is real.

>>11693429
The best way is to realise and truly believe that sex is a shameful act, that it is depressing to enjoy porn.

If you're trying to quit but it feels more like you're denying yourself candy than resolving to end a disgusting habit then it won't work.

>>11693429
Do acid

>>11698689
>sex is a shameful act
This is full retard thinking, there's nothing inherently wrong with sex for procreative purposes and the purpose of bonding. However, there are many benefits to be derived from abstinence. It's not that one option is bad, but rather that one option is good.

>>11698703
Of course it is shameful. It's compromising and reveals you for a little while as a dumb ape with animal instincts. Procreative is fine but please missionary only and with the lights off

>>11693429
One thing that helps is to recognize it as what it is: self abuse. You’re literally attacking your body in a profane and unnatural way. Masturbation is savage and evil, the sodomy of the self.

>>11698823
The important thing is that you’re married. Once you’re married, sex stops being evil.

>>11693429
Is sex out of the question?

>>11698823
This, I don't eat food or drink water like a filthy beast either.

>>11698896
This man gets it

>>11696394
very interesting, I also have nearly all the negative symptoms of schizophrenia and have a compulsive-impulsive thing with schizoid fantasy that is far more debilitating than my masturbation and is worsened by my amphetamine and marijuana use, as is my masturbation. This also started in adolescence, i became self aware a couple years ago when i was 20 and it hasn't helped at all, actually instead of dealing with my symptoms when i think about them, i just fantasize that i overcame my issues and have a healthy productive life on the other side of the schizm, my executive function and attention is naturally weak and has been wrecked by stimulant treatment(starting at 6 years old) my executive function and attention are nearly non existent if i don't take at least 50 mg of adderall, coffee and nicotine.
I want to know what i need to do to get rTMS in the us. Are negative symptoms enough to get treatment? If not what about substance abuse disorder? I'm one of those people that compulsively gets high, when i was younger i smoked about 7-14 grams of pot a day, i can abstain now because ive moved in with my parents and care about my health, but i will still get compulsively get high on what ever is around me, i cant keep weed without smoking it all as fast as i can, i steal whatever drugs my family leave laying around. Lucky i can control myself around alcohol, and ethically wont meth or street opioids. Other than that i can only save psychedelics and amphetamine(which i have a strong aversion to but must take to function). My use of psychedelics is probably the only reason I ever obtained self awareness, and ended a few depressive episodes, other than that i dont know if ive done more harm or good to myself with serotogenics.
so if neither substance abuse or negative symptoms is approved in the US, i have a 7 year history of treatment resistant depression.

Will it mess up my thinker? My intelligence is basically the only thing i have going for me right now, not like i can use it for much, but i have a slim but real chance of being a successful academic right now and dont want to risk any serious cognitive impairment or memory loss. If my mental health was better i think i could really do something with my life. So if there is anything you may have read in the literature about cognitive side effects. .
sorry for the textwall, i am an absolute wreck of a person and you offered me some hope.

>>11699270
What's the longest streak you've ever had of being clean of any psychoactive substances? I'm just curious.

>>11699270
>I want to know what i need to do to get rTMS in the us
There are many physicians that offer it in the US. Search and you will most likely find one local to you. Insurance generally does not cover the procedure; you'll have to pay cash.
Anything is enough to receive "treatment" because the protocol is used for just about anything, even cosmetically unofficially, and the people that offer it are just out to make a buck. Just show them the specifics of the treatment used in the paper.

>As there was no significant improvement over ongoing treatment, repetitive-TMS (rTMS) was planned for treatment augmentation. The therapy procedure was explained to him, and written consent was obtained. The resting motor threshold (RMT) was determined, and 1 Hz TMS at 80% of RMT was administered over the supplementary motor area (SMA) using the MediStim (MS-30) TMS therapy system (Medicaid systems). Stimulation site was at junction of anterior two-fifth and posterior three-fifth (according to the International 10/20 System of electrode placement) of nasion-inion distance in midline. Each treatment session consisted of 14 trains of eighty pulses each with 5 seconds inter-train interval delivered over 19 minutes, giving a total of 1120 pulses/session. A total of 22 sessions, over 4 consecutive weeks, were delivered. There was gradual improvement in his symptoms. He had a better control on his sexual thoughts and the frequency of masturbation decreased.

>Will it mess up my thinker?
No. Unlike ECT, rTMS does not induce neuronal death. The worst case scenario would be that you have a seizure but it's exceedingly rare and might even be something you want to happen because it will further provoke your brain to reorganize.

At the very least, I think it holds the promise of removing the paired association of sexual arousal with stimulants.

bump.
please post more advice. This thread has been really helpful so far

I used to read far more when I masturbated regularly than now that I do it like twice a week. Masturbation and other habits aren't as closely related as people on 4chan think.

easier to quit dope than masturbating.
one of the most common and worst addictions.

>>11701266
I'm going to post some images some may find inspirational. I don't have much else to write.

>Science Discovers the Physiological Value of Continence

>>11702679
based and redpilled

>>11693436
Unironically this.

>>11693429
But also start rewarding yourself with it, instead. Say "I'll read a chapter and then go fap". Chances are you won't be in the mindset to fap after reading for 20 minutes, and even if you still do go fap you'll feel better about doing it because you had accomplished something and you are now rewarding yourself.

>>11702752
This is a terrible mindset, because the anticipation of sexual activity provokes arousal.
It inherently is divorced from the higher faculties and the stronger experience of sexual activity will undermine the consolidation of memory of whatever you were reading prior. It's a bad strategy, one that sets you up for defeat and incessant distraction.

You won't feel better. All you would have done is read for 20 minutes which is nothing and you will be fatigued and unmotivated and wanting to fall asleep after ejaculation because of the post-ejaculatory prolactin increase. This is retarded advice.

>>11693562
Is not watching porn really enough? I keep hearing that the superpowers do eventually come even if you keep fapping to your imagination, just at a lower rate in comparison to a vocel.

>>11702771
It's retarded advice if you still feel like fapping after doing something else, reading can be anything ranging from /fit/ to /mu/. The key is to leave the option to fap available because if you bar yourself from it completely you'll want to do it even more. And if the option is available and you still don't go and fap that, I feel, is doing more for building willpower than forcing yourself to never do it again or for x amount of months.

Do people really feel this empty after masturbating? Why can't you guys just have a wank and get on with your day?
Having said I'm going to give it a go. Although the root of my problem is that I spend all day attacthed to my phone

>>11702783
>if you bar yourself from it completely you'll want to do it even more
That doesn't apply to me. The challenge is to completely bar yourself from it though.

>>11702795
>Why can't you guys just have a wank and get on with your day?
So why are you on your phone all day, not "getting on" with anything?

>>11702806
Because I flunked out of uni and I live in the middle of nowhere

>>11702811
Also I'll admit I'm addicted to the internet and computers but that isn't linked with porn/wanking

>>11702783
>The key is to leave the option to fap available because if you bar yourself from it completely you'll want to do it even more.
Nonsense.
I don't have any desire to use opiates even though I "bar myself" from their use, even having had past experience with them.

It isn't a matter of barring" oneself; there is no allure from the higher brain regions to engage. It's a clearly harmful behavior to engage in that rationally speaking isn't even a good forbidden fruit. Most people have already done it 2500+ times. Keeping the door open to engage serves as inducement to fail.

The only time someone feels compelled to, is when arousal occurs and it's too late at that point. You need to prevent arousal occurring which necessitates it never be an option to contemplate. The moment you even question whether you should masturbate, the instinctual part of your brain induces a temporary hypofrontality to carry out what it thinks is procreation. It doesn't care about your life goals, motivations or anything. It will gladly throw these out in abandon. Erection sets in and prefrontal neurotransmission decreases.
What the hell is the point of even reading whenever all that is on your mind is getting off 20 minutes from then? You're going to be in a distracted unproductive state. You'll associate reading as a "chore" used to attain a reward rather than being a reward in and of itself.

And should release occur, it never is "just once". Your hormones will be out of homeostasis, causing a rebound in sexual desire for the next 1-2 weeks, making you a slave once again to this pernicious habit.

>>11702795
You either: 1) Never were deliberately abstinent both physically and mentally and thus have no frame of reference; or 2) are not very intelligent and consequently lack self-awareness.

Masturbation measurably increases prolactin which we know exerts an adverse effect on dopamine signalling. Most laymen counter "b-but the refractory period is only 15 minutes", but this is another matter entirely and hence is a straw man. Serum prolactin remains elevated for nearly two weeks and most significantly for 16 hours. Any elevation will cause a decrease in dopamine transmission; while it may not be enough to induce a refractory period, that does not mean it isn't adversely affecting other dopaminergic centers responsible for motivation. fMRI studies show activity increases in the primal centers, eg. amygdala, medial preoptic area, temporal lobe and septal areas and meanwhile decreases in prefrontal cortex.
The hypothesis that masturbation and sexual activity had a cost to be paid has existed for thousands of years. It is only recent times, past 60 years or so, where we've been hoodwinked into thinking that this is "harmless".

Getting on with your day after masturbating is possible but you need to force yourself to do anything. The rest of the day at that point is just brute discipline and unhappiness. You want to do plenty of things, and have the best intention to do them but never do.
In an abstinent state, motivation to tackle the entire day ahead is effortless and abundant.

I don't know much about Russell Brand, but I heard about this interesting dissection of porn on another website and thought I'd share it here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kvzamjQW9M

He doesn't mention the importance of marriage and the evils of masturbation itself but it's a good start.

>>11702944
This sounds like grade A gibberish. But I guess I will only find out if I try it.

>>11702815
How do you know that?

>>11702946
Some might find the advice inspirational and indeed is a good start for those looking.

However, I stray away from using videos/literature like this because it provides straw men which are easily defeated by those opposed to the idea of abstinence. For instance, almost all of his adverse effects, boil down to psychosocial spooks rather than the severe neurophysiological toll that sexual excess inflicts on the body and mind.
The people who produce the video, "Fight the New Drug" is a meme tier organization run by mormons who are some of the most carnally minded people on the planet, which will inherently put people off.

In a nutshell—it's good for those contemplating abstinence but bad for really winning anyone over who would be opposed. I used to be opposed to the idea of abstinence and material like this never phased me.
>>11703019
And you sound someone ignorant of medicine so it might as well be Linear B to you.

>>11703023
Because for the large majority of my life the two were separate, as a child young adolescent I was wanking several times a day without watching porn and then sneaking into my brothers room whenever there was a chance to play on his computer, because mine was time restricted

>>11703111
I guess you're right, it must be B I can't see any other alternative, well I will happily go fapping my way through my brainlet life and not worry about it anymore thank you

>>11703138
This sounds like a lack of parental supervision, precocious puberty, and boredom. I would not be surprised if you picked the behavior up after your brother. Before the computer, it was either learned or you had another source of sexual material be it a Grand Theft Auto game or an underwear catalog.
Masturbating several times a day as a "young adolescent" is not normal; especially without any stimuli. I would do it once a week, if that, upon puberty which only progressed in frequency as I aged (daily by late teens and even more frequent by the early 20s).

The fact that you were wanking so much during development explains a lot >>11702638
It's entirely plausible your problematic internet usage is a consequence of your past and current sexual indulgence.

>>11703163
You insulted my post by calling it "grade A gibberish". I defended myself . What do you want me to say? Good for you? You now try to "show me" by reversing your decision to abstain but it's not for my benefit or even concern— it's for your own!
It's like drinking from a contaminated well after being told it contains poison.

>>11703223
I'm sorry, I'm just a fuck up trying to justify all the shit that went wrong with me on the fact that I'm stupid, I'm not or at least I wasn't but I never progressed and now I like to blame it on my own lack of intelligence

>>11703350
Never too late to make positive changes. I can tell by your thought process here that you do have intelligence. Just persevere.

>Pythagoras, Philosopher and Mathematician: “According to Pythagorus (6th century BCE) sex should be practiced in the winter, but not the summer, but was harmful to male health in every season because the loss of semen was dangerous, hard to control and both physically and spiritually exhausting…” “Pythagoras himself established a small community that set a premium on study, vegetarianism, and sexual restraint or abstinence. Later philosophers believed that celibacy would be conducive to the detachment and equilibrium required by the philosopher’s calling…” – Source: Uta Ranke.Heinman (1988).

>Galen, 2nd century Greek medical writer: “It is not at all surprising that those who are less moderate sexually turn out to be weaker, since the whole body loses the purest part of both substances, and there is besides an accession of pleasure, which by itself is enough to dissolve the vital tone, so that before now some persons have died from excess of pleasure.” – From his work “On Semen”.

>Sigmund Freud Psychologist, founder of Psychoanalysis: “Freud held the opinion (based on personal experience and observation) that sexual activity was incompatible with the accomplishing of any great work. Since he felt that the great work of creating and establishing psychotherapy was his destiny, he told his wife that they could no longer engage in sexual relations. Indeed from about the age of forty until his death Freud was absolutely celibate “in order to sublimate the libido for creative purposes.” – according to his biographer Ernest Jones.

>Georg Hackenschmidt, 20th century strongman, wrestler and philosopher: “Moderation in sexual intercourse is very important. Sexual abstemiousness should be strictly observed during the early age of manhood and development. He who observes this recommendation will soon benefit by the immense prerogatives of chastity. A few years ago a colleague of mine said to me: “Nonsense, that is only human nature.” This “clever” man, however reached only a secondary position as a strong man, and now, at the age of thirty, he is actually degenerating as an athlete.” – From his book; “The Way To Live”

>>11693429
Anon, I did it like this. Everytime I feel the urge I remember that:

> Too much masturbation is bad
> I lose too much time doing it
> It's just a small moment of pleasure, not worth it.
> Everything is a fantasy, it's bad for me because I try to bring it into the real world.

Don't try to think about it in a negative way (like it's a sin, or if you don't stop bad things will happen), try to look into the positive side of not masturbating.

Also, go easy on yourself. Respect your body and your time anon, don't try to push yourself too hard.
Start stopping a day yes and a day no. If it's too hard, try to stop once a week, like this week, on monday, I don't, next week again and again, etc.
Try to find a good way.

Look it's not easy, and I won't lie to you, it'll never be. I'm having psychological treatment because I fucked up in my life really bad. It was a monstrous act to finally get out of compulsory masturbation. I still cry every day, my treatment started about 4 months ago. It's not easy.

But I can see you want to change, and that's not only good, but the first step. Try to get some help with a psychologist, even if you had bad experience in the past with one (I can say I have, I was with a psychologist that "stole" all my money for 1 year and didn't helped me for shit; I was so deeply bad that I didn't noticed that her "help" was only temporary).

Good luck anon

>>11703952
Not him but Thanks

my unstable sense of self means that sometimes i think that masturbation is a positive moral action and other times i think it is not

Greetings No Fap Brothers, how's keeping it zipped?

>>11697511
>>11702638
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>>11702944
Knowledgeable anon, hear my plea for I think this is what is wrong with me.

I have always been a somewhat lethargic person since I was 13 at least (when I started masturbating). I didn't have the drive to perform basic tasks but I somehow got through it. But I'll speak from recent memory because it will be closer to the truth. About 2 years ago I stopped watching porn and tried to stop fapping, but then I started getting nocturnal emissions when 3 or 4 days passed without fapping, I am very OCD with staining my clothes or my sheets with semen so I started just fapping each 3rd or 4th day. During that period I found myself dried of energy, yes, but my mind was much more sharper and functioning than I feel it is now. Then, december 2017, I relapsed and started watching porn again with the usual excuses, just this once, come on it's christmas! You know what I mean. Then I started masturbating daily, because I saw it as something even positive as I wouldn't have to worry about arousal happening randomly about my day, but then I started to be aroused very soon after fapping, like 5 or 6 hours after, so I started fapping twice. It became an habit of mine to fap without even being aroused or being compelled to by urges, just so I kept it out of my way and out of mind. Sometimes I even fapped twice one after the other (because I thought that'd spend me enough to not be aroused a second time during that day). But I'm not the man I was two years before, now I'm not only lethargic but my mind is deteriorating and not as sharp as it used to be, I have no will to do anything. Even if you think I'm exaggerating, picture a man that cannot for the life of him lift himself up the floor, it has gotten that bad, I'm a literal piece of forniture with the only energy to spare spent on waking up and walking to my computer chair. All of my dreams of self-improvement and getting work done are into a halt as I cannot find the energy, and I find that my mind isn't as caring about that anymore, my mind has become femenine in that regard (as in lack of testosterone perhaps, female thinking patterns i.e. wanting others to do stuff for you instead of doing it yourself, etc.) But that's just not it, my mind is cloudy in the sense I cannot think of anything clearly and the only thing I desire is to be sitting in a chair and not having to move.

I'm 24 currently and I can't stand it anymore I don't even feel a man because I can't do anything, I'm extremely tired all the time and the few genius my mind had is waning. I heard about nofap before and thought it a meme for the masturbation part, the porn being damaging part I believe. I see nofappers always talk about feeling great and full of energy, but I don't know if it would apply to me, I don't know either if what ails me is caused by fapping, but it surely adds up nicely since everything has worsened when I went back to porn and got to masturbate twice a day.

cont.

>>11705340
cont. here

Now that you know my problem, do you think masturbation, ejaculation, loss of semen is the cause of my problem? I want to feel my age, I want to be full of energy and vitality, will this happen if I stop masturbating?

Is it worth it to deal with the nocturnal emissions? Will these go away or be less usual? Please give me as much info as you can.

Also I've read that if you just stop masturbating for a month for instance, your testosterone will decrease, is this true? Should you then fap once a month or twice? What are the dangers of absolute abstinence for say, a whole year?

>>11694091
>>11694172
Redpilled

>>11693429
Just enjoy it honestly. Before you know it you'll be old and will miss caring about sex.

I jack off every night to my imagination, there's nothing wrong with it. It's like 10 min than I go to sleep. Don't understand people who spend hours just watching porn

If you absolutely feel the need to masturbate, just do this >>11705457