/lit/ - Literature

>>11688257

>>11688257
a section in this book deals with it rather interestingly

>>11688267
Someone yesterday mentioned his work - my mother

>>11688269
yes, Bataille was all about the transgressive and so he dealt with incest quite a lot and not just in theory
he jacked off in front of his mother's corpse just to see what the experience would be like

also, i hope thread wont be deleted like yesterday.
i really want to know more authors on this subject and discuss the philosophical/moral aspects of incest.

again, the question is same.
a brother and his sister, who are both adults, want to express their love and affection through sex and intimacy. what is wrong about it?
these arguments are not allowed:
>eewwwwww
>its not natural, its subhuman
>muh retarded babies

Watch this my lad
https://archive.org/details/HerveRyssenJewsIncestAndHysteria

>>11688346
I think you could pretty conclusively say it doesn't happen naturally...there being social taboos and mores in place.
So the proverbial siblings would in any case be 'overcoming' the taboo, maybe from a place of fetishization--which is where I think you're coming from

>>11688267
>erautism

>>11688395
and nothing wrong with overcoming that taboo

>>11688355
>thank you, very interesting

>>11688257
incest is illegal and selected against in nature its also abominable morally, ethically, aesthetically and poor hygiene

>>11688279
what a pseud

>>11688421

>>11688406
I personally feel they're in place to good effect.
But I agree there is no moral absolutism.
What's your angle? You would legalize incest to secure your own freedom or for any amorous siblings?

>>11688346
there is nothing wrong with that, people are just retarded

>>11688446
absolutely fucking disgusting animals, nuke every single country that isn’t green

>>11688446
>"Legal if it does not provoke scandal"

Fucking italy

>>11688446
>Legal if it does not provoke public scandal
Based

>>11688468
i would totally allow incest between anyone who are adults and can give consent.
mom-son, bro-sis, father-daughter, cousins

>>11688473
i dont think you interpreted that key correctly

>>11688257
She doesn't exactly argue for it, but Anais Nin describes fucking her dad in order to then abandon him as he had her, but the jury's still out on whether she actually did this or just wrote about it.

>>11688493
the Green countries it is illegal, every single other country its some form of legal. I absolutely interpreted it correctly. It should be illegal for everyone always at all ages, ergo only green and teal countries should be spared holocaust. faggot

>>11688473
proud to come from the greener side of europe

>>11688446
as if the state were to know when someone is fucking their family member lmao

>>11688488
Are you hurting to be with a family member right now?
I just want to know what informs your opinion here.
I'm very much informed by the sexual abuse I've seen in various families--makes me doubtful there's healthy forms of incest, consensual or not.

>>11688346
perhaps we'd been spared their company

>>11688520
there cant be healthy form of incest because everyone is brainwashed to feel guilty and wrong about it.
need to break the conditioning.

>>11688531
its evolutionary instinct and to prevent retard babies and child abuse u schizo pedophile

tell me more about bataille

>>11688501
you're right, you did read it right. I read your post wrong like the faggot i am

>>11688257
>>11688346
>>11688406
>>11688488
>>11688531
Good thread OP
>more

>>11688536
hell with your instinct.
dont confuse your instinct with other people's instinct.

>>11688531
we 'need' to because therein is greater freedom?
I agree that the conditioning is a large factor but we've observed some bad effects from inbreeding

>>11688550
get off /lit/ and read Story of the Eye

>>11688581
you can have sex without making babies.
just like everyone is doing it. not a reason against incest.

>>11688552
yup, fuck you.
>>11688575
nope we don’t care about individuals, unless you’re proven to be worth somethig ur just a statistic. we do what’s good for the race and nothing else. if i cud i would euthanize you, sterilize your siblings and liquidate the rest of your lineage. human trash doesn’t get to have an opinion about anything.

>>11688615
t. brainwashed parasite

>>11688269
bro... lay the pipe.

maybe it's evolution or something, but I could literally never fuck my sister. It just feels wrong. I can admire her looks and stuff but it just seems so alien and icky to me.

>>11688615
but you're human trash too
so why should i care about your opinion?

>>11688634
again, i understand your point.
but my point is what if incest was not taboo from the start and you were seeing incest couplings since childhood. you would not find it so unnatural then
its just a matter of what plane of reference you are in.

>>11688279
"I'm so fucked up."

>>11688681
>not pushing the limits

>>11688649
perhaps - it would be interesting for both psychological and philosophical viewpoints to see how a child raised in a world where incest isn't taboo feels about doing the deed
obviously that would never happen because it would be hard to replicate such an experiment with laws and whatnot

>>11688686
and instead of that, you will get the world filled with sex crazed homos, trans fucks and cuck shit lovers

>>11688346
Well sex out of marriage is bad in the first place. So you must prove that extramarital sex can ever be good or that brother and sister can marry.

>>11688701
what if its a bad marriage and people involved seek sex, intimacy outside?

>>11688701
not even said anything about brother and sister marriage yet.
simple question is - what is wrong about it if a brother and sister were to exchange saliva?

>>11688257
Eric Gill
he had practical experience

>>11688446
so in germany is it only same-sex siblings and minors, or those in addition to normal incest?

>>11688446
What the hell is up with Ireland and Germany?
>Legal only for children and/or gays

>>11688738
>a boy can have sex with his brother and a girl can sleep with her sister in the Republic of Ireland.

>That is because The Punishment of Incest Act 1908 only covers sex between males and females and doesn’t consider same-sex siblings.

>tfw we have stumped the pseudo moral fucks

Ada

its always the brainiacs who support the idea for more individual autonomy and more fluid boundaries.
insecure and brainlet masses love the security of a tight social order so that they can hide their individual weaknesses.

>>11688821
but they thought they were cousins when they were first starting out, not full-blooded siblings

>have incest fantasy
>not attracted to any family members

I'm always some fictional kid with some fictional mother in my fantasies. Not sure what to make of that.

>people seriously support the authority of state to decide whether the idea of two consenting adults biting each others' lips is legal or not.

>>11688912
What, are you going to call me a retard for it? If you want to fuck your sister so bad, do it discretely so that no one finds out. No one wants some inbred abomination to roam the streets, so fuck her in private or don't do it at all you sex-crazed subhuman.

Pic related; it's you.

>>11688981
i never said that people should beat drums or carry out parades in support of incesst.
i am just saying that the idea of state or deciding its legality is weird and wrong.

>>11688995
state deciding*

>>11688446
interesting to see that Ukraine makes it illegal but that Russia is fine with it.

>>11689143
ukrainians are retards

>>11688446
Actually I'm pretty sure Sweden should be with Germany and Ireland on that one.

>the explosion of emotions when a brother and sister orgasm together
no wonder society wants to tame men and make him meek

>>11688750
>Be born in Germany.
>Be male
>Hate benis
>Identify sexually as a truck
>Fuck sister.
>Win

>>11688257

George R.R. Martin wrote both incest and pedophilia as erotic scenes instead of traumatic scenes. He is literally /yourguy/.

>>11689226
i dont like game of thrones, but dont mind cersei and jamie banging the fuck out of each other.

>>11688257
nice cans
whats her brapper like?

>>11688257
>it's okay if we forget about the genetic risk

>>11689277
no body said anything about making babies.
only a healthy expression of love.

>>11689290
Your position is what Heinlein argues for in Time Enough for Love. Protagonist ends up fucking his mom

>>11689310
did they enjoy it?

>>11689335
Wouldnt you?

>>11688446
Belgian Law Student here.
This chart is utter bullshit as far is Belgium is concerend, pretty sure the rest is fake&gay as well.
Come on: incest legal in Russia? 'Legal if it doesn't provoke public scandal'?

Have some standards /lit/

>>11689336
ofcourse
but my mother is too deeply conditioned in morality department. she wont try it

>>11689350
what are the belgian laws on incest then?

>>11689350
>Incest is illegal in Italy only if it provokes public scandal, according to Article 564 of the Penal code and punishable from 2 to 8 years' imprisonment, open to more years for the older person if the other was under aged.

>tfw redpilling the masses

>>11688257
Why?

>>11688795
Who do you suppose you've stumped? Those against incest? I'm only stumped insofar as attempting to imagine why you think you've stumped anyone at all.

>>11689363
Unsurprising. We're talking about a society which put a former porn star into parliament and whose economy is being overtaken by Mexico - not exactly the creme of the crop.

>>11689721
just tired m8
no arguments from morality bois.

>>11689548
goddamn i love jav. asian girls with big breasts seem to be pretty rare but the yakuza sniff out these girls like bloodhounds. there are so many girls in japanese porn with cutesy teenage girl faces and russ meyer tier big naturals. it fucking rules so hard.

>>11688346
One would hope it is obvious what is wrong with it. Since you seem to have distorted yourself by an overindulgence in your own sex drive, fantasies, and exposure to pornographic material, this will be a long journey. You're starting from the bottom of a deep valley.

If you're speaking about purely casual sex, with no intention to breed and no likelihood of offspring (i.e., the Fallopian tubes are removed or the male has had a vasectomy), then we need to have a very different conversation about the context in which sex should logically take place. The obvious clue which should deter you would be that the only thing which would provoke sexual intimacy between a brother and a sister are bodily urges. There is no legitimate need for sex in order to sustain ameliorate filial relations or intimacy. In fact, setting the physical urges themselves aside, there is far more negative potential in the social complications which can arise from mingling sex in family relations. For example, suppose a desire for exclusivity develops on the part of one, but not the other, or suppose it develops for both of them, then there is the intrinsic burden of imminent social ostracization which would overtake them should it come out, and the social ramifications cannot be merely overlooked - they are relational, just as the inter-sibling relationship itself is, and it will be affected by the force of society. Humans are intrinsically social, after all. There are many other negative possibilities which can come out of it, but there is only one benefit - bodily gratification. Not for the sake of argument, but so that you can know, animals and low-quality people are driven by urges, then emotions, and only lastly thought. High-quality people are driven by thought, then feelings, then urges. To quote the Apostle Paul, though I could quote secular wisdom if I wished, "I chasten the body and make it my slave." You seem in need of an overturning of the current order of your psyche in favor of the Rational Man. Moving on.

We have thus far only looked at the isolated case of the couple themselves, but we ought also to consider the impact of the relationship upon each concentric layer of the social sphere.

There is a biological imperative for both sexes to take in genes from strong mates outside the gene pool. This practice has the impact of redistributing the isolated genes which have come through migration and isolated breeding conditions, reducing the likelihood of destructive genetic mutations, diversifying and amplifying strengths, and maximizing these benefits for all humanity. If you imagine a large number of siblings beginning this practice - first, let us again do so without the consideration of offspring - you remove much of the driving force for both persons. Sex is a chief fuel of society, and in an oversexed society, or in which persons are being birthed into circumstances with ready mates who require no wooing, production of every kind will drop.

>>11689925
>social ramifications
thats the whole debate tho. need to break the conditioning like it has been done in the case of LGBTQ.
also, i never said that everyone will and should bang their relatives, leading to an incest world. i am talking about only if someone wants to do it, they should not be hindered and stuff.

>>11689925
You can see the evidence of this even in the modern first world nations. An excess of sexual freedom is birthing not only a decline in our productivity and achievements, but is ironically also producing, for many, a lack of sexual gratification (as Lao Tze, Plato, and Heraclitus would have all predicted, and not them only).

If we consider the circumstances in which children are conceived to the incestuous, it gets much worse.

Supposing all taboos are removed, and siblings start fenangling each other willy-nilly, at which point do we stop it? If we do not stop it and a high percentage of births were to be the product of an incestuous relation, the compounded genetic ramifications over generations would destroy civilization. A good, if basic, moral indicator is if something cannot be done by everyone without destructive ramifications on civilization it is immoral. At the very least, it is immoral for all pragmatic purposes. I could continue on. This is not a subject I've given a great deal of thought and am doing my thinking now, but I would like to see if you have objections and why before continuing.

>>11689947
We are social animals. You are literally born into a relationshiThe relationship itself is social. You cannot escape this fact. It is a childish fantasy born of your lustful and boyish fantasies.

>>11689947
We are social animals. You are literally born into a relationship with your parents, who were born into a relationship with their parents, and so on. You depend upon society. The relationship itself is social. You cannot escape this fact. It is a childish fantasy born of lustful and boyish fantasies.

>>11689947
I should also address your second objection:

If you don't hinder one, you aren't justified hindering any, and if you hinder none there is the potentiality for the practice to become widespread. If it becomes widespread, chaos is the result.

>>11689954
>>11689925
your whole essay describes these points:
>society
>production
>genetics
first of all, imagine no society and just the brother and his sister. my question is, in this setting, is there anything wrong if they were to smooch, fondle and fuck?

now, you can bring society and its ramifications. Again, i would never ask a homo in saudi arabia to publicly declare his sexuality. But i would like to see a change in saudi arabian laws and society. society and state cant dictate what to eat, what to wear and who to fuck. its not your business to enter my private space.

genes and babies - whole thread, i keep repeating this ->> i am only talking sex, not baby baking. i dont know why you guys think that i am mentioning incest marriages and incest family. I am just focusing on the act.

production - you have literally no data or way to prove that production will suffer. west is doing best and better than ever. The perceived "low productivity" can be attributed to low birth rates which is easily explained.
>more education, more money, more aspirations, more fun -->late marriages, not seeing point in marriages, late or no kids because of responsibilities.
still you cant say production will be lowered because of "muh degeneracies"

very based and redpilled thread OP

Foucault writes a bit about incest in The History of Sexuality.

>muh society, muh social order, muh conditioning
these are the people who are willing to sacrifice the fiery individual spirit, just to keep their porous shell of a structure intact.

>>11689984
You're missing the point. There is not one single instance in reality in which the relationship will exist outside of a social context. They are born into a social context - this is why they can be described as brother and sister. There is the implication that there are parents, which means they are involved, and so forth. I've addressed both the siblings in isolation and in societal context, as I have addressed it in the case of children and in the case without. However, unless one or both of them are infertile, children must ALWAYS be considered. If you don't consider the possible ramifications of your actions you are an animal. It is as simple as that.

As for production, there is literally TONS of data on it. You've assumed I have none because you wish there weren't any. Get on JSTOR and look up white papers on the stability of these kinds of relationships and on sexual addicts, or other kinds of degenerates, and their productivity levels. What you find will be bleak and there is a ton of data on it. Not only that, many historians have researched the link between societal pervesions and decline. It isn't that you're unaware of it, but that people like you scoff at those scholars in favor of your penises. You've also provided no alternative motive besides urges for the intercourse, relegating your argument to a vacuous one, in which all negative potentialities are cast aside for momentary pleasure - truly the lifestyle of the weak.

>>11689984
Not only that, but we haven't even brought up the most important consideration - the impossibility of safety for children in a society in which incest is permissible.

>>11690032
You have it completely backwards. We are the most individual, the most deep-thinking, the most driven, the most controlled, the strongest-willed, the most accomplished. You depend on us, and so, certainly, will your genetically disadvantaged offspring.

>>11690058
what about the safety of children where homos roam around, people can change their gender surgically and many other stuff
its just a point of reference. children born 20 years later wont see homos the same way we do. it will be normal, casual.

>>11690062
>deep thinking, driven and banana bullshit
how many times do i have to tell you? nobody is talking about incest marriage and baby born out of incest.
also, nobody depends on YOU.

1. i masturbated to this thread. not just the pictures but the discussion arouses me
2. the author you are looking for is shulamith firestone
3. urururughghghuugh hprrrrrrrrrrbtt

>tfw a dude showed me pics and clips of him fucking his mother online
it was not great and stuff, i would agree.
but it was so because that dude was sorta forcing on her

>>11688446
>legal if it does not provoke public scandal
Based and fake as fuck

>>11690127
>>11689363

>>11690062
>We are the most individual, the most deep-thinking, the most driven, the most controlled, the strongest-willed, the most accomplished.
You, the nofapping incels who with your "whoah, 50 days in it, and I can FEEL THE ENERGIES floating within me!" virtue signalling schtick on this cantonese carpet weaving agora? I bet you're barely bilingual.

>>11690144

>he doesn't feel the energies

I am truly sory for your lots.

>>11690078
>It will be normal, casual.
You say that as though that isn't completely horrific, but, regardless, that wasn't to what I was referring. I was referring to the next rational hurdle in this maze of degeneracy you've constructed. If incest is normalized, what about the incest which is already common, though secret and illegal, between molesters and children? Their are already plenty of pushes for the age of consent to lessen, and in some countries it is well below the age of adulthood. At the point that incest is normalized, and, as I suspect you would wish it, most sexual deviancies are normalized, what happens if age of consent is lowered? What's to stop parents and elder relatives from abusing children? What is to stop children from thinking it normal, if incest is normal anyway? What's to stop inter-familial molestations from becomming far more prevelant due to the normalization of familial sexual relations?

The answer is nothing. It would undoubtedly result in an increase in molestation and abuse.

But, no, oh no, you're too good for those concerns.

Society.
Children.
The Human Gene Pool.
Production.

All these big picture concerns are far too big for a little man like you. All you care about is one thing:

"Do they want it?"

You're a small man with small standards and even smaller concerns.

>>11690078
Actually, they do. A foolish supposition there.

>>11690144
If you're assuming I'm nofapping, you should also assume I'm a volcel, brainlet. The two logically go hand-in-hand. I also like how there isn't even a smidgen of an argument in anything you just wrote.

>>11690170
i have a genuine question, and i am not in the least bit attracted to kids, i mostly like girls who are about 20-25

why do humans become fertile at like age 12? why would this possibly be a thing, evolutionarily? why do they become capable of bearing children like a decade before they are supposed to, i honestly dont get it

>>11690170
i already said above about abuse.
its not consent and you are infringing on someone's rights and dignity.
my question was pretty simple - why stop and stigmatise an adult bro-sis couple from smooching and fondling.
and yes, i have no shame in accepting this- if they want it for fun, then thats it. you cant come from outside and tell them what should be fun and what not.

on the question of age of consent, what should be the age according to you? considering you keep larping about kids

>>11690177
>JUZ LOOK AT DEEZ STUDIES JUZ LIKE LOOK EM UP
>AND, UHM, ITS A CHOICE, MUM
You also like sniffing yout farts and adapting a diction of a failed cult leader.

>these pseudo moral fucks trying to imply that each action a man does is for the sake of society and civilisation.
kek

>>11690186
I'm not a medical student, but I can speculate.

First, I would imagine if a girl were to get pregnant as soon as she were biologically able, she may have an increased risk of complications over if she were to wait further into her development since, like you've said, puberty is a process of a decade or more rather than the instantaneous achieving of an adult body.

As for why she's capable, I expect it is a trait for circumventing situations in which reproduction would be necessary for the species, and no fully adult females, or an inadequate number of them, or only infertile females, were available. Likewise, for the reverse situation.

Relatively recently in human history, a child might find himself in a position of power and the societal expectation may be procreation as soon as possible for the sake of the line. These kinds of circumstances and expectations may have kept humans with the ability to be fertile even while still in youth.

As I've said, this is just speculation however.

>>11690201
That doesn't answer the issue. You aren't grasping what I've said. What I think the age of consent should be is irrelevant.

>>11690203
It is actually the diction of an academic, but you would know more about cult leaders than I, I'm sure.

>>11690237
That's not what I'm implying at all you passive-aggressive cuck. In fact, I'm not implying anything. I'm overtly stating that you and your hypothetical incestuous degenerates are inherently societal - you cannot escape that fact. You depend on it and answer to it. Your selfish, childish, pathetic, escapist, degenerate, sexual fantasies must remain just that - the imaginations of degenerates.

Enjoy your physically and intellectually impotent life.

>>11690237
stfu sick fuck
i masturbate for the sake of humanity

>>11690325
Masturbation and toiletting are probably the most selfish of all commonplace human acts. Interesting to think about.

>>11690323
> Your selfish, childish, pathetic, escapist, degenerate, sexual fantasies must remain just that
tell that to fags going through sex reassigning surgeries and sipping hormones and shit.
you cant stop two individuals from an healthy expression of intimacy.

>>11688738
incestuous gays don't produce incestuous babies

bad for family fabric, but not bad for the gene pool, tho

>>11690394
Those two things are not equal! Incest does not equal Transgenderism! Even so, I would have things to say to transgenders, but they would be exceptionally different considering the two subjects are not at all the same.

Which would be obvious to most people.

Not to mention, in order to classify those acts as "healthy" you have to define what constitutes "health," and in what context this is "healthy" - which is exactly what you're attempting to do in this thread and failing miserably. Not to mention, even were it to be successfully classified as healthy for the individuals that does not necessitate it would be considered benevolent to society in which case it would still be immoral.

And actually, you CAN stop two individuals. You can even stop one. Society has that power and exercises it at its leisure, which is a part of the point I've been making all along.

Now quit acting like such a jackass.

>>11690442
i cant think of any reason why society should have such huge power to stop two consenting individuals smooching in private.
if you support this blatant aggression by society and state on individual, then you have fallen too deep in conditioning and you cant be saved.

expression of love and mutual intimacy is always healthy, you brainwashed prick.

>>11690463
> cant think of any reason why society should have such huge power to stop two consenting individuals smooching in private.
Then you're an idiot, because I've already given you many. You're the one who is brainwashed - brainwashed by porn, brainwashed by your own dick, you pathetic fuck. I'm not the one who can't imagine potentialities - I can imagine thousands. It is your infantile intellect which is still stunned in spite of being spoon-fed the most obvious answers.

"Aggression by society and state on individual," HAHAHAHAHAHA! Spoken like a truly spoiled and ignorant child. I hope you wake up soon, or die soon - before your self-centered, irrationally-justified lunacy can have any affect on anyone.

People into incest are genetically dysfunctional. All animals are psychologically opposed to incest for a reason.

>>11690463
>expression of love and mutual intimacy is always healthy
I can see someone is too sheltered to have ever heard of an unhealthy relationship.

>>11690503
>HAHAHAHAHAHA!
>. I hope you wake up soon, or die soo
and you wonder why i dont want ignorant, parochial minded society pricks to have such immense power?

>>11688701
>>11688707
>>11688716
Making out no, but a kiss on the lips isn't inherently sexual, like mother's kissing their kids on the lips, fathers, etc. somewhat strange to see for some people nowadays but not too uncommon. But making out has sex inherent at it's end, so no.

>>11690522
No, I don't wonder at all. I know why. I know why better than you do. Which is exactly why I said that.

>>11688892
The ideal image of the fetish is greater and more appealing than the reality. That's why tentacle hentai and other shit can give you a boner, but you wouldn't want to do anything like that in reality, unless you're fucked up completely.

>>11690506

>All animals are psychologically opposed to incest

untrue but it's socially healthy that you think it is true

>>11690533
>I know why better than you do.
thats what every angry pinhead says.
calm down and take a deep breath.
for a person who cant stand upright without the rigid structure of society, flaming individual passion can be too much to handle.
not your fault, you are just weak mind.

>>11690551
I'm very calm.

NO ONE CAN STAND UP WITHOUT SOCIETY YOU IMBECILE. You wouldn't even be able to do a damned thing without a society. If there were no one but you on the planet, you couldn't even carry out your degenerate fantasies, and if there were a mate, you still couldn't do whatever you wanted because now you would have to maintain an equilibrium between the desires of yourself and the desires of your partner. This principal holds true everywhere and can be extrapolated to a family unit, then a community, then a city or city-state, then a nation or nation-state, etc.,!

I'm done with you. Not only have you failed to address about 50% of my points, you have nothing to say and can barely grasp the most obvious of things. You're just a little kid who wants the whole world to fall into place around his pornographically-instigated desires. You're a parasite. Good riddance.

>>11690588
>no one can stand without society so i will stand with society and harrass gays, trans, incest fags

>muh society, society, society
there was a time when slavery was legal, women couldnt vote, homos would be lynched.
if opinions can change for those subjects, it can change on this topic too.
its all man made notions and can be changed to maximise individual liberties.
this brainlet wont understand it cause it threatens the idea of his "normal"

Just my two cents, but I don't think the government should have the power to punish incest, though I still find it wrong morally. It should be worked out locally and anyone serving their lust over The Lord can go to Hell, I suppose. I'd also add that sex before marriage is wrong, and that goes for any actions with sex as their end, which includes making out.

>>11690650
>this anon starts decent - raises my hope
>ends the argument with lord, hell
sigh

>>11690641
You clearly didn't read a word I said, or you don't understand what I'm implying a society to consist of. Either way, jokes on you.

>>11690650
Also didn't read, or didn't understand.

Brainlets, all of you filthy fucks.

>>11690641
You clearly didn't read a word I said, or you don't understand what I'm implying a society to consist of. Either way, there's only one brainlet between the two of us and it isn't me.

>>11690674
you are afraid of the uncertain

>deletes his post and makes a new post
feels like you are losing your grip, m8

>>11690654
I don't think the government should force anyone to do anything, but that doesn't mean what you do isn't wrong. Two siblings can do all they want together but they won't be free from the consequences, in this life or after.

>>11688279
Did he cum on the corpse?

>>11690708
i hope you dont believe that the memer jesus was resurrected.

>>11690754
Why wouldn't I?

There's literally nothing wrong with recreational incest
When reproduction however gets involved, that's when things get iffy

>people slowly getting redpilled

>>11690800
>There's literally nothing wrong with recreational incest
Are you forgetting the concept of loss of innocence? Something that should ideally be done with one's spouse?
I mean honestly man, how are you going to explain having slept with a sibling (for example) to the person you want to marry or have married?

>>11690830
Nobody cares about that shit anymore gramps

Human beings have two libidinal charges: thanatos and eros (death and love). When a person is looking to get aroused he'll fall into either of these two categories. Either he will be motivated by the fear of dying, the loss of life; or motivated by the joy of living, the excitement of life.

These two charges can be taken to nightmarish extremes. For example: a person who is liken to thanatos might have psychological disorders onset by large natural disasters or war-time situations. Another example: a person who has eros as his primary charge may require explicitly uncanny sex, and emotional rigor in generally perplexing sexual situations (some people having only been aroused due to intense cuckoldry or incestual relationships, even if the person isn't their ACTUAL sibling).

My quick-reply just lit up incestual in red and tried to correct to to instinctual, which is funny.

>>11690830
What if your sibling is your spouse?

>>11690865
based and redpilled

Open the gates to the father of latam degeneracy!

what about a mother and her son?
why they should not cuddle naked?
any arguments against?

>>11690990
thats the purest love

>>11688346
It violates the categorical imperative. Can you will as a universal law that sex will be done for pleasure instead of procreation?

>>11691062
everyone is doing it for intimacy and pleasure m8

>>11690170
Read the existentialists.

>All these big picture concerns are far too big for a little man like you. All you care about is one thing:
>"Do they want it?"
This is precisely the only thing what one should care about. Freedom is one of the first self-evident human right we possess on the state of nature. You're asserting all kinds of things as morally good, but you've never given any reason why ''The Human Gene Pool' would be of any moral value, or what impact society should have on our decisions and why. You think that all these things have so much value and you look down on people who question them, but you have failed to assert why they have any importance.

>>11688585
I didnt understand it

>>11689845
You do know that almost 50% of women in Japan are a C-D cup and that 8% are E cup or higher, right?

not into incest, but really want to know what dirty fantasies mom and other people's moms have.
an ocean of filth untouched.

>>11688257
Okay, who's the taboo queen in pic related?

>>11691374
eva padlock, 34 years old.
some low tier barcelona model

>>11688686
Eric Gill.

>>11691376
>low tier barcelona model
Such wasted potential.

>>11691782
dont know about her background but feels like she missed the boat when young.
seems like a fun mature woman desu

>>11690830
>Are you forgetting the concept of loss of innocence?
Do you really want to keep people in a state of insipid puerility far beyond what can be reasonably be entertained? The act of having sex with another person is a purely amoral action and has no consequences to the state of things, what difference does it make if its your relative? Do you think there are underlying spooky moral truths that dictate what we can and can't do? Those spooky morals are what rational people call evolutionary traits that developed to prevent certain detrimental consequences from occurring, those detrimental consequences being mutated beast children that end your species survival. This is clearly the reason why people intrinsically think incest is wrong.

>>11691195
You think I haven't? That's a foolish assumption. I have. You haven't even defined "morals" or "value" so what permits you to demand I give moral value? And, in fact, I did define moral value for my purposes - learn to read, and read before you answer.

Now get lost kid. You're just another brainlet in this thread full of morons.

>>11690686
Actually, I re-posted the same post, you idiot, I just corrected a typo.

>>11691195
Nice Political Science 101 and Existentialism 101 there kiddo - you sure have read the existentialists, lmao.

>>11691195
>This is precisely the only thing what one should care about.
Spoken like a true idiot. Now kys with all haste because you clearly have no idea how to think. If I said I was done with the other guy, I'm sure done with you. You're clearly no more intelligent.

>>11688503
>hitler secretly loved us! *fistpump* slava! 1488! we are proper and decent!

>>11691990
2 decades of plastic surgery was required to get africa out of her face. she is at her peak now.

>>11691195
>This is precisely the only thing what one should care about.
Spoken like a true idiot. Now kys with all haste because you clearly have no idea how to think. If I said I was done with the other guy, I'm sure done with you. You're clearly no more intelligent.

For one, you're bringing up the "state of nature" argument, which is INCREDIBLY relevant, and yet, you're so fucking stupid you don't understand the state of nature at all because you're trying to ask while using this example why society should impact our decisions. HOLY FUCK. You've hit whole new levels of pseudery never before seen. You can't imagine how fast I'd like you to hurl yourself from the nearest skyscraper.

If you want to redeem yourself and to reverse the horrifyingly immense shame you've heaped upon you, it is as simple as using the exact same thought experiment you've brought up, and rationally reconstructing the process by which a society, of any and every scale, comes to be. It is that fucking simple. If you can't find the answers to the questions you just asked me by doing that, then you're 10,000x too stupid to tell anyone to read any kind of philosophy. You're too dumb to be reading it yourself.

Now that I've gotten that off my chest. Adios, you sick bastards.

What was the opinion about incest in ancient Greece and Rome?

Also ty based OP

>>11688257
Lord Byron fucked his half-sister and never argued against it.

>>11690588
I'm not the anon you're talking to, but I appreciate your presence in this thread. Just wanted to say that your argument started out quite strong and stood a good chance of convincing some anons against incest. Your efforts did not go to waste. If you could keep up the discussion with a bit less frustration, things still look promising.
You may feel that you know more than this anon (and that may be true), but the only way to communicate that is with patience and clearheaded articulation. No need to call anyone an imbecile in all-caps. Otherwise some anons might come away from the discussion even more convinced of their views than before.

>>11692231
> sex
> a purely amoral action
> has no consequences to the state of things
> is literally the way EVERY LIVING THING has entered the world

The view of sex as inconsequential post-birth control/abortion is abhorrent. The ability to mitigate or augment consequences does not mean that there aren't any.

>>11690547
it is true and has been studied extensively by biologists and ethologists
>>11688643
Im genetically superior to well over 90% of the white european population, 99% of jews, 95% of east asians and 99.99% of all shit skins and mud peoples. if i cud i would never make eye contact with most humans out of total disdain and privilege.

>>11688279
Twisted. I read one of his short fiction works when I was too young to understand it but was motivated by my interest in Clandestine Blaze and Deathspell Omega's music he inspired. I'll have to revisit.

>>11692999
This guy is such a pathetic troll.

>>11688701
Would you kindly care to elaborate why you think sex outside of marriage is bad?

>>11688727
Only those I suppose, as the first don‘t produce inbred babies and the latter can‘t be prosecuted

>>11692983
> is literally the way EVERY LIVING THING has entered the world
Actually insemination is how most things entered the world, not sex - sex was just the action to get fluid out. And of course there were/are creatures that don't have sex to reproduce or don't need to in all cases.
>The ability to mitigate or augment consequences does not mean that there aren't any.
And what exactly are these consequences?

>>11691376
>>11691990
>>11690237
>>11689746
>>11692917
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
I need to marry either a Mediterranean, Italian, or Spanish girl
I NEED TO

>dont want to experience the rush of emotions and goosebumps when your tongue touches the tongue of your sister
pathetic and coward

>>11693610
>what exactly are the consequences?
Pregnancy, but aside from that, the undeniable precariousness of intimacy with another human being. People willing to have sex with their siblings for pleasure's sake have no principled reason not to do the same with e.g. their parents, or even their own children someday. Pleasure is not the ultimate good.

woah, /lit/ is slow.
i thought thread would have gone by now.

>>11688257
I would shwabble dabble glibble glabble schribble shwap glab those, mmm, splendid titays

>>11693878
>Pregnancy
Unlikely, and abortion is always available in decent societies.
>the undeniable precariousness of intimacy with another human being
This is only true if there are underlying problems that have not been resolved that could be accentuated through the act of coitus.
>People willing to have sex with their siblings for pleasure's sake have no principled reason not to do the same with e.g. their parents, or even their own children someday.
This does not explain why it is wrong, you are merely assuming that I understand your reasons (that are based in unreality) as to why it is wrong to perform, as I have stated before, a purely amoral action.
> Pleasure is not the ultimate good.
Without pleasure there is only the desire for death and destruction. In fact, no one does anything that does not give them pleasure, people who say otherwise are lying and hiding the fact that what they claim to be their reason to live, for example: Doing the most good, actually gives them pleasure in having done what they believed to be good.

>>11688681
Nice

>>11692934
>Lord Byron fucked his half-sister and never argued against it.
He also most likely fathered a child (a daughter) with her that resulted in no real negative consequences (though I believe he was blackmailed over it?)

how many of you will do it if you and your sis/mom get 1 million $ in return?

>>11694145
Not I

>>11692963
You're 100% right. I appreciate your presence in this thread too, but in all honesty, I struggle to regret a single insult I hurled at these people.

>>11692999
If you have to announce your superiority at the top of your lungs, you don't possess it in the first place.

>>11692963
You're 100% right, but I have no regrets.

>>11692934
>>11694058
>Hey guys this guy did it, but he was, like, a good writer and stuff, so that makes it okay. Everyone knows if you're good at one thing then you're a model human being - to be emulated in all respects.
Ludicrous.

>>11694145
If your integrity can be bought, you have none.

>no Marquis de Sade
I'm disappoint, /lit/

>>11693637
Marry your sister.

>>11693997
Isn't it possible for pleasure to be the basis of goodness while also being the basis of evil? Whether pleasure accompanies (even all) good acts is irrelevant to whether pleasure is good in itself. Pleasure can be both benign and malignant. I would argue that pleasure in goodness is a byproduct of knowingly doing the good, while pleasure in sex is directed towards only immediate sensation. Taken as an intrinsic value, pleasure becomes malignant and cultivates neuroticism since it values pleasure above even self-preservation or the preservation of others.

>>11688279
>MOM'S GONNA FREAK

>>11689984
>imagine no society
reductive to meaninglessness
>society and state can't dictate what to
They can. You can argue that they shouldn't, but the anon you're replying to here laid out a reasonable case for why it should-to prevent degeneration/destruction of society over long term.
>genes and babies
I'd argue it's unreasonable to completely divorce sex and babymaking (though not without popular appeal and precedents)

>>11690115
sauce

>>11690463
>expression of love and mutual intimacy is always healthy

YOU'RE THE BRAINWAsHED FUR FUCKS SAKE THIS HAS TO BE A TROLL THREAD I AM OUT

>>11690588
based, redpilled. That faggot is a faggot, or a troll, or brainwashed, but certainly not interested in any sort of genuine conversation.

You did a good job BTFO'ing that poster, thank you.

>>11691195
>Society doesn't matter
>the only thing that matters is what an individual desires
>Society doesn't inform and shape those desires

Whew

>>11693997
There are no purely amoral actions

>>11688872
that's just there to ease you into it

>>11690779
it's impossible bro

>>11688494
Ooh where? I've been reading some of her erotic short stories and I find them fascinating.

>society needs to tell me whether me and my sis can jerk off together or not
>society will tell me what should get my dick hard and what should not
>people support this idea of trampling on personal emotions

>>11695253
>hey guys, i just jerked off to incest gif captions and my birdbrain can only come to the conclusion that these impulses are natural and not the result of masturbation and pornography. now i'm very insecure and instead of blaming myself and my degenerated cognitive reward-system, i'm looking to find individuals who are just as degenerate as me in order to establish a herd morality. it's your fault for not applying the non-aggression principle and hearing me rant on about why it is YOUR fault, not mine.
if you were all too confident about fornicating with your relative, then why even bother asking a bunch of anonymous people on an imageboard? you don't need literature recommendations in order to be a perverted hedonist faggot.

>>11695253
You still haven't realized what "society" even means, or why society always has had and always will have the power to say which sexual relations are appropriate or not. 201 replies, and you haven't learned a thing. Scary.

>>11695559
Not him, but Nice spooks nerd

>>11695559
>muh boogeyman society

>>11695559
then how come lgbt is now a thing and was not few decades ago?
why are there fundamental rights for individuals?

>>11690641

> women couldnt vote, homos would be lynched

what's wrong with this though

>>11695690
nothing wrong, nothing right.
just saying that collective view of society can change over time.

>>11695192
>God can create the entire universe on command but can't reverse death on command
okay

>>11688346
>these arguments are not allowed:
>>muh retarded babies

Contraception and abortion are a sin, anon. As is knowingly dooming a child to preventable disease because you want pleasure.

>>11688346
it's my personal opinion, take it with a grain of salt of course, that there are much deeper ways to express and explore yourself emotionally than sex. if you use sex for that end, it typically ends very badly and makes a very awkward relationship from then on. this has happened with a majority of my personal sexual encounters, I don't want to even think about the emotional turmoil that would cause if that was a sibling because the thing is you're still in the same family and you still have to live with that person being a part of your life. to sum it up, I believe that sex alters one's perception of the other in either positive or negative ways, and if there are any other ways to develop an emotional relationship with that person without doing it that's almost always what should be done instead.

>>11695838
>abortion is sin
nah
nothing worse than an unwanted child

>>11688257
The reason incest is bad is because offsprings are much more likely to have active forms of recessive diseases.

The reason it is so avoided in the natural world is because the animals who didn't avoid it aren't around anymore.

>>11695192
The evidence suggest it's the most likely explanation, though that's not why I believe. Some people have become Christian because of the evidence for the Resurrection.

>>11695909
Chopping them into pieces, sucking them out of the womb and dumping them in the garbage sounds much worse to me, anon. Abortion is undoubtedly sinful

>>11688446
how tf do you define scandal lmao

>>11696633
same thing as euthanasia, suicide debate
>people in society want to live out their facade of morals and they wont mind if the individual suffers for it.
nice painting tho

>>11696633
do you oppose the meat and dairy industry as well?

It's pretty disgusting, but it shouldn't be illegal.

Not everything that is disgusting should be illegal.

>>11696657
No. Animals aren't sentient and God allows us to eat them. Abortion is killing a baby with a soul that will become sentient

>>11696686

>>11696694
You can pretend abortion is ok all you want. You reap what you sow no matter what

>>11696686
where to find hi-res works of artists m8?
any websites or tumblr you follow?

>>11696705
No. Just pics I saved over time browsing here

>>11696686
God doesn't exist, faggotron. Slit your wrists before your imaginary "friend" asks you to hurt someone else.

>>11696754
How would I hurt anyone else? I want people to stop killing babies. The fact that you have to resort to insults only shows how wrong you are.