/lit/ - Literature

>>11679412
qt desu

Good, it's about time somebody defined this generation.

>>11679412
Oh shit I had no idea we were being defined.

>>11679412
What's she even written?

I hate this need to hyperbolize everything.
>revolutionary
>groundbreaking
>paradigm-shifting
>generation-defining
All these words have lost their meaning.

>>11679422
Don't label me man

>>11679424
The fourth one was always bullshit. Other three are fine because they can be more limited in scope.

>>11679423

>>11679432
Bad cover, looks like beachchicklit

>>11679435
Does this?

>>11679441
Better

>As a teenager I started using internet messageboards and developed a friendship with a twenty-six-year-old American grad student. He had very white teeth in his photographs and told me he thought I had the brain of a physicist. I sent him messages late at night confessing that I was lonely in school, that the other girls didn’t seem to understand me. I wish I had a boyfriend, I wrote. One night he sent me a picture of his genitals. It was a flash photograph, zoomed right in on the erect penis, as if for medical examination. For days afterwards I felt guilty and terrified, like I had committed a sick internet crime which other people could discover at any moment. I deleted my account and abandoned the associated email address. I told no one, I had no one to tell.

just.... woah....

>>11679441
NORMIES

>>11679412
>>11679416
are you kidding me. who is this broken nose chick. she must've pissed off clubber lang f'real.

>>11679445
> Like many young adults, the casts of both novels flirt with what they perceive as a “grown-up” world – in Normal People, there’s a dinner party in Italy, during which they squabble over the correct glasses for champagne, like middle-aged arrivistes – while also being semi-repulsed and frightened by it.

>>11679449
I love novels about the grown up world

>Her debut Conversations With Friends saw her hailed as ‘Salinger for the Snapchat generation’.
But then the article says she is 27. Snapchat generation should be late teens right? I'm so confused

>>11679449
why can't my generation get there is no such thing as "adulting". An adult is someone who is responsible. Just do what you find fun, other adults enjoy talking about champagne, do your own things

>The narrator of Sally Rooney's Conversations with Friends at one point states that she never wants to work.

>I had no plans as to my future financial sustainability: I never wanted to earn money for doing anything. [...] I'd felt that my disinterest in wealth was ideologically healthy. I'd checked what the average yearly income would be if the gross world product were evenly divided among everyone, and according to Wikipedia it would be $16, 100. I saw no reason, political or financial, ever to make more money than that.

>You have to put up with this girl for 321 pages. Have fun!

lmoa the goodread reviews for this book are great

>>11679445
>I wish I had a boyfriend, I wrote.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

>>11679457
Salinger was also older than the kids who read his stuff, no?

>>11679457
means she's read by the snapchat generation

>>11679471
>>11679474
Yeh that makes sense. but to be in the snapchat generation when would you be born? post 2000?

>>11679449
Sounds like trash for middle-class, Gaurdian reading pseuds whose biggest fear in life is that picking the wrong wine glass will demonstrate the pretence of their attempt at bourgeois respectability.
>"Oh wow, this author totally gets what is like to be an adult"
Yeah no fuck you.

>>11679502
But she's just so self-aware. Listen to that mind in action.

>>11679505
But it lacks nobility. I can tell she has never felt true gut-wrenching passion.

>>11679445
Men are disgusting.

>>11679467
She sounds like a pretentious douche. No self-awareness or insight, just endless self centered whining and vain bragging.

>>11679545
Sounds pretty generation-defining to me

t. boomer

>>11679545
she's defining your generation whether you like it or not.

>>11679449

Isn't this sort of "Oh God, I'm not ready to be old or posh" vibe already what her first book was about?

>>11679542
Watch retards scurry to his defense and pretend that's okay.

She clearly is an idiot and not the cozy kind, so the guy was only in it to satisfy his sick fetish for inexperience and youth.

>>11679548
I don't even know what "generation" refers to. I guess you can maybe slice out 5 year periods that are somewhat similar, but they seamlessly merge into each other and rather than a line of blocks, they are a stream, one almost fully overlapping the next.

Unless you specifically define what you mean, it is a completely empty statement.

>>11679557
>authors touch on the same themes when drawing from real life experiences
I mean...damn...

>>11679445
>>11679467

She is like the woman version of a r9kfag. LMAO

>>11679561
>define
thats her job, not mine

>>11679445
>>11679467
Is this the writer or just one of her characters?

>>11679445
>zoomed right in on the erect penis
typical zoomer

>>11679595
The first one is from her novel, the second is the author in interview

>>11679412
literally whomst?

Think of how many manuscripts and careers of young male geniuses are trashed or ignored just so talentless holes with nothing to say can be shoved down our throats just because they have vaginas.

>>11679696
Yeah, it's sad. Just like all those women whose voices were never heard, because they lacked dick, so they wouldn't have their works published.

>>11679741
But that never happened. Even the writer of Odyssey got her voice heard.

>>11679432
sounds like something that my cool wine aunt could write

>>11679758
>cool wine aunt

Is this the 2018 way of saying "alcoholic that no one would marry"

>>11679426
got to bed soren

>>11679754
yeah and the writer of Hamlette

>>11679457
>Salinger for the Snapchat generation
doesn't have the same zing to as Kafka of the Angry Birds generation

>>11679741
You're right, it's terrible that both of those things happened. I want to live in a meritocracity, dammit.

>>11679838
both of these generation names are cancreous.
if anything we will be known as a mobile internet generation

>>11679877
nah, we'll be the internet porn generation

>>11679898
the YouPorn epoch

Don't reply to roastie posts

Sage roastie threads

Report roastie threads

>>11679838
Faulkner of the Farmville generation

>>11679467
>>11679457
>>11679445
>>11679412

I don't understand the point of fiction like this. People could easily replicate Rooney's fiction by spending time concentrating on their own boring lives. I mean I could get any of this type of thing for free by logging into Messenger such is the lack of imagination displayed.

As an anecdote, I worked in the arts for a while and often felt like a lot of 'original content' was as an attempt by older people to use young people's ideas to stay relevant. Problem was that a lot of it isn't interesting and it was basically unsellable from a marketing perspective. Often nobody turned up to shows except the people performing and their mates. The publishing industry is seemingly the same of shite, only a ton worse.

>>11679838
The Tacitus of the Tinder age

>>11679898

I wish. Porn is so boring these days.

>>11679925
Ouch

>>11679741
Yeah, all those poor, unrequited Candace Bushnells and Terry McMillans.

>she was described by her editor at Faber & Faber as "Salinger for the Snapchat generation".

Thanks, but no thanks.

>>11679787
Pretty much nail-on-the-head there, guy.

>>11679872
>meritocracity
That's not a word, bud.

>>11679939
you could always get into trannies or something

>>11679435
>>11679758
>>11679787
>>11679441
>>11679443
>judging a book by its cover

THE GLORIOUSLY GROUND BREAKING, SMART, FUNNY AND SEXY, UNBELIEVABLY CHEEKY AND A LITTLE BIT NAUGHTY, GEEKY, FREAKY, SPOOKY, REFRESHINGLY CONFESSIONAL EXPLOITS OF HURR FUCK ME IN THE THROAT DURRDURR BIMBO BUTTFUCK SLUT #9 ART THOT FUCKING ZILLA GOJIRA GOJIRA "WE'RE LIVING IN THE MATRIARCHAL KALI YUGA, FOOOOOOLKS!" SHITEATER SALLY EMILY BRONTE OF THE "KSI VS LOGAN PAUL" GENERATION, HERMAN MELVILLE OF THE TUMBLR DD/LG SUBCULTURE GENERATION, THE TAO LIN OF OUR GENERATION, THE ROBIN WILLIAMS OF OUR GENERATION, THE REMARKABLE FEMINIST MANIFESTO, OF USED TAMPONS "EWWWW!!!" TEEN GIRLS SHITTING THEIR ABORTED FEOTUSES IN THE SCHOOL TOILETS GENERATION, GENERATION PREDICATION, GENERATION ANAL SEX, GENERATION NIGGER FETISHISM, GENERATION SEXSEXSEX, GENERATION I'M A DIRTY DISGUSTING HUMAN SPANK ME, ONE TIME A MAN SENT ME A PICTURE OF HIS COCK AND ALTHOUGH IT WAS BIG AND DIRTY I LIKED IT I FLED THROUGH THE NIGHT LIKE A RABBIT THROUGH ITS WARREN IN THE STARK DARK TERROR OF HORMONAL GASP AS A LEAK SPRUNG IN MY VERY HUNGRY PUSSY, GENERATION GENERATION GENERATION, THE HUNGER GAMES OF GENERATION CIA BLACK OPS PROPAGANDA TO NEUTRALIZE ANY RESISTENCE, WHEN I WAS A LITTLE GIRL MY DADDY NEVER TOUCHED MY VAGINA AND NOW I'M A BIG GIRL AND HE STILL NEVER TOUCHES MY VAGINA, WHY DADDY WHY, TALKIN BOUT MY GENERATION, GENERATION KIM KARDASHIAN'S PHOTOSHOPPED ASS, GENERATION JEWISH DOMINATION, GENERATION HATE SPEECH, GENERATION I MISS HITLER, PARADIGM SHIFTING, IT'S THE MAN AGAINST TIME, BUT HE WASN'T IN TIME, AND IT'S TIME, TIME FOR GENERATION ON TIME TO GET IN LINE AND GET A FUCKING JOB, MY GENERATION DID THINGS DIFFICULTY, YOU'RE A BUNCH OF, GENERATION WHINE, DEFINE MY ASSHOLE YOU CIA JEW NIGGERS, I'M NOT A GENERATION, I'M A FREE MAN

>>11679980
>That's not a word, bud.
You're right; sorry. Meritocracy.

>>11679412
I want to hold her breasts and fuck her deep and hard and long until she is pregnant

>>11679542
>>11679561
>men are disgusting
Is this satire

>>11679741
yeah... all those forgotten female geniuses... it brings a tear to my eye

>>11680015
based and cuntpilled

>>11680053
go be gay somewhere else

>>11680053
go live in the real world sometimes, MRA nigger. that kind of behaviour is absolutely degenerate.

>>11679445
And the guy spent the rest of his life wondering if maybe his dick was embarrassingly small.

>>11680015
actually based and redpilled

>>11680015
based and redpilled but unironically

>>11680015
modern day joyce

>>11679616
>zoomer
>zoomed right in on the erect penis

cannot unsee. to be a zoomer to me now means only this one thing forever

>>11679412
Critics are always shit at actually identifying the artists who become defining for their respective time period a few hundred years later.

>>11680015
Unironically red and basedpilled

>>11680015
10/10

>>11679432
looks boring as fuck.
Most conversations are inane.

>>11679424
That's a thread-defining statement, Anon. Truly groundbreaking.

>>11680015
Masterful bait. Only a true schizo could write something this tantalizing to reply to.

>>11679933
She probably has friends in high places that the publishing industry does their damndest to conceal. Most hyped, shitty writers do.

>>11679424
clickbait. it's why you shouldn't read news websites and instead acquire your news filtered through the /pol/ hivemind, and why shouldn't read culture journalism. instead acquiring your all of your opinions on writing through /lit/
The above statement is a joke but also true

-Obligatory reading recommendation for this comment
—The Shallows by Nicholas Carr

>>11680405
>instead acquire your news filtered through the /pol/ hivemind
As if that is any better, either pay for your news or stop whining because you are part of the problem. Read this instead

>>11680015
Are you the CUNT from /tv/? From IRC?

>>11680015
nice

>>11679561
>Watch retards scurry to his defense and pretend that's okay.

I don't see the problem with dick pics at all. It's literally the fastest way to know if women want casual encounters or not.

>>11680680
More a way to tell whether the woman has no standards whatsoever. Perhaps a way to diagnose childhood abuse. An interesting thought.

>>11680646
omg omg omg yah, bruh. omg omg. i cogitated upon intuitive conduction, conducive to absolute integer realization, and koz has turned his fucking fax machine off, so if you see him please tell him i think if we touch our dicks together it might upshift the third hypostases into the ninth and effect a sensible simulitude disintegration. imagine the release of energy by countercountermotion? it's a fucking spiral, and gurren lagann metaphysics, so tell him to turn his fucking fax machine BACK ON.

>>11679933
>People could easily replicate Rooney's fiction by spending time concentrating on their own boring lives.
It's called literally fiction.

>>11680015
Unironically better than her writing.

>>11680680
Pretty much everyone is down to casual encounters, if you present them right. By starting off with a dick pick you just close most doors.

>>11679432
>with friends
Certainly doesn't sound generation-defining.

>>11679445
>tfw

>>11680745
How are things? We moved to discord. The person you asked about never came back, but is occasionally online on steam.

>>11680838
give me the discord link, faggot.

>>11680015
very based and redpilled

EVERY SINGLE FUCKING CONTEMPORARY NOVEL IS A BARELY DISGUISED MEMOIR

>>11680848
What was the name of the IRC?

>>11680883
#ooo was the only one that was any good

>>11679561
>sick fetish for inexperience and youth.
I won't defend sending unsolicited dick pics, but this is pathologizing healthy male sexuality.

>>11680864
ironically this

>>11679412
>defining a generation

They always do this

We all know Sam Coll is the real torch bearer of the Joycean legacy

Yawwwwnnnnn

Who besides women would want to read about "omg Tiffany let's go shopping! You look wonderful in that satin dress, I think we should pick up some flowers to decorate me Devin's new apartment! We got to toss out those nasty old curtains while we're at it, I can't stand them!"

>>11680087
>that kind of behaviour is absolutely degenerate.

Is this satire? Women only get offended by this shit because they realize that nobody actually wants to spent a minute talking to them unless its to get their dick sucked

>>11681005
Is he actually any good? I vaguely remember years ago reading a few extracts of his.

>>11680015
Beautiful

>>11679933
David Sedaris unironically copy-pasted his diary desu into books and made gazonkas of money, though it's worth noting there is very little personal reflection/opinionating

>>11681005
>age 28
OH NO NO NO NO NO

>>11679838
>tfw i will never be Herodotus of the Grindr plumper POZ-swap epoch

>>11681085
That guy is 28? What the actual fuck? He's the embodiment of the 18yo boomer

>>11679445
kek

>>11679933

It's because the middle class Millennials who constitute the majority of up-and-coming writists are basically bored vampires, a kind of temporary digital bourgeoise whose lifestyle is only possible because they're coasting on the of their parents waning affluence. Academia has reinforced for them that it's not only fine but preferable to abandon even the pretense of objective artistic standards, so no one feels any need to improve their expressions of creativity. The book get bought because the audience is vindicated by an author's lackluster prose, because it looks to them like the expression of their own inner thoughts. And it essentially is, since they all engage in the same self-deceipt that their shallowness is as deep as it gets.

>>11679542
lol women are beta af

>>11680000
Big brained queers on lit don't even check dubs

>11680000
>0000
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good ddoubles.

>>11679925
>>11679935
>>11681110
The Dostoevsky of the Discord generation

surely a generation defining talent could've named her book something a bit more exciting than "conversations with friends"

or is there some secret genius to the title that i'm not aware of

>>11679990
Alex, please.

>>11680913
It's normal to find them appealing, but it's not normal to be fixated on it and even less normal to be actively hunting for it. People actually want a relationship are fucked in the head too, since these girls are dumb and bland, unless they are traumatized and in that case, what the fuck are you doing damaging them further?

>>11681231
Yeah like Montaigne, just naming his book "Essays". I mean, come on man!

>>11681231

The whole book is actually devoid of any dialogue, it's three hundred pages of her fuming impotently about people she doesn't like and detailing what she hates about them. Working title was /lit/.

>>11680864
The problem is, memoirs are only good if written by someone that had an interesting life.
Chateaubriand could do it, Junger could do it, Newman could do it. Some explorers, some veterans, some mystics can pull it off.
Random internet thot? Unlikely.
At least Houellebecq goes deeper into some of the conflicts he faced.

>>11681073
Dude, that's what I need to do. I have fucking piles of diaries filling drawers, but it's too much of a burden on me to rifle through it and edit it for publication.

I need to dish out the scratch for a personal editor who I correspond with regularly.

>>11680015
Impressive, very nice.

>>11680015
HOT DAMN GOT ME WEEKING MY WEINER

>>11680892
Huh. Which other ones do you know?

I'm surprised you're back on 4chan, or perhaps you never left. I'm sorry to see the way you behave. Have you been in contact with KOZ all this time? He seems worse for wear as well. It must have been a hard life.

>>11679838
>>11679925
>>11679935
>>11680015
i like where this is going lads

>>11680015
>"KSI VS LOGAN PAUL" GENERATION
you aight wh¤toid boi

>>11679935
The Candy Crush Conrad

>>11679935
That actually sounds kind of cool.

>>11681322
The Mann of the Mafia Wars era

You know, the war on truth isn't only being carried out right wingers but also by cultural Marxists. Why don't we put all of them in a sack and beat the crap out of them.

>>11681340

Fruit Ninja Nabokov

>>11679432
>fearless
oh i bet she was just so brave when she sat in front of her fucking macbook

>>11681357
um bro... you're sounding kinda sexist right now...

>>11679424
>"God isn't real. Diversity. Science"
We need more of this groundbreaking type of paradigm shifting. Hopefully this young strong woman can provide it.

>>11680015
pilled and redbased

>>11680015
overrated post desu

>>11680015
Red and pillbased

>>11681399
unBased and cringepilled

>>11679542
>>11679561
>femanon is upset over something that likely didn’t even happen
Kek

>>11681373

>God isn't real, I am so much smarter than all the dumb Christian strawmen

I've overheard this exact conversation in my liberal small city and from friends on many occasions. It is absolutely the most boring and played out form of intellectual masturbation.

>>11680768
>Pretty much everyone is down to casual encounters

No they are not.

>>11679441
>author of Conversations With Friends
Top kek

>>11679542
Unironically this

>>11681357
>>11681369
lol

>>11681726
Not if you start with a picture of your dick.

>>11679412
>27
>looks like a grandma

this is why I only date asians

>>11679448
I also find her qt

>>11680015

I used to shitpost in these threads, but I would urge people here to please be kind, and not to write mean things about strangers, especially if you are attacking their appearance or perceived personality. It isn't nice.

>>11681663
How fucking removed from the world do you have to be not know that this shit happens to virtually every girl, usually on a semi-regular basis if they talk to strangers, like you are right now?

>>11680015
top based

>>11679787
I'd marry an alcoholic

>>11682226
When its said of a woman "no one wants to marry her" its referring to anyone a woman would actually want to marry, not you

>>11679977
dammit I wanna sock her lights out... surly rogue...

>>11682206
You're toasty because you use it as a negative reduction on all men.

>>11680367
kek

>>11682266
You're a retard.

>>11679445
what a bro

>>11682246
All right no need to be mean. I have a long cock and I'm moderately attractive by the way.

is she, dare i say it, the next rupi kaur?

>>11682316
Yet you'll still settle for a disgusting alcoholic. You've already betrayed your undesirability

>>11682322
No it's just that I drink, I'd really like an alcoholic. Nice work detective

>>11682284

>>11682339
looks like we got a cool whiskey uncle here

>>11682350
lmao

>>11680015
A tour de force; A paradigm shifting post.

>>11680015
unironically cringe and bluepilled

>>11682172
Thank you anon, I appreciate the effort.

>>11682514
Found the soiboy

>>11682537
Yeah, I drink soi. Your mum likes how it makes my cum taste.

>>11679412

More like the face of an ASMRtist with less than 10k subscribers.

>>11679412
literally who?

can someone with money buy a pdf of the book and upload it

>>11682547
>Yeah, I drink soi

LMAO WE FOUND AN ACTUAL SOIBOY
AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>11682723
Why does my existence threaten you so much?

>>11682730

>>11682736
Yeah, that isn't a picture of me. Why are you posting it?

>>11682723
You have to a be a real brainless fuckboi to *still* not know that onions doesn't impact testosterone.

Why do such pathetic sacks of shit come to /lit/? This used to be a place filled with intellectuals and people like that wouldn't know every other word in the OP and sneaked out crying and ashamed.
Why do they suddenly feel like being stupid and ignorant is something to be proud of?

>>11680405

Bought

>>11679412
who?

>>11679696
/thread

>>11681663
There isn't a girl who makes it through elementary school without seeing a dick pic anymore. Such is life with internet access.

>>11683010
Not every girl fucks their daddy cumslut.
Say no to thot.

i'm gunna read this sucka and report back. this line from a new yorker article intrigued me

>Sally Rooney's début, “Conversations with Friends,” is a bracing study of ideas. But it's even smarter about people.

>>11679412
This bitch kinda looks like my first gf. She was a bitch and a total analwhore.

>>11681710
But god isn't real tho

>>11683049

Cool beans, not my point. Find something else to write about.

>>11681266
>memoirs are only good if written by someone that had an interesting life.
Exactly. Problem is, most memoirs are written by shallow narcissists. Genuinely interesting people are rarely self-involved enough to want to write about themselves.

>>11681354
sounds cyberpunk af

Anyone taking this bitch seriously needs to suck a fucking shotgun. If you can’t even do as well as DFW who was a fucking retarded Jew then your generation should stay undefined

REEEE

GO READ THE IDIOT BY FYDOR DOSTOETSKI THATS WHAT YOU FAGGOTS DO TO ME IM FUCKING START RAVING MAD

HIEL HITLER KILL THIS WORTHLESS BITCH

>>11683380
REEE YOU FUCKERS ARE CANCER

>>11682946
What the fuck does s o y matter when estrogen is being pissed into the water supply at levels that shouldn’t even be possible

>>11680015
>>11680745
You are an intriguing specimen. Where can I read more of your work unironically

>>11679696
BASED AND REDPILLED

>>11679741
>things that never happen

>>11680015
Unironically great posmodern writing and this should be the style from today novels

>>11680745
If you could turn this style into a story you may have the first work that truly depicts our era

>>11683825
reminds me of Sam Hyde before he became a basic bitch republican. just pure id deranged middle class America psychopathy and I loved it

>>11683775
The denigration and erasure of male genius and the celebration and elevation of female mediocrity to above the status of even godhood in current Western societies is indeed an uncomfortable and suppressed truth that requires bravery and courage to even recognize let alone point out to others.

Can anyone here tell me of a red headed novelist in her 20s who has been mentioned before in a similar way on here?

>>11679824
>hamlette
kek

>>11681340
fortnite scott fitzgerald

>>11682172
the miguel de cervantes of the pokémon go generation

>>11679412
You have to be really out of touch to think this generation is defined by writers.

>>11683553
That has nothing to do with onions you dumb fuck.

>>11679441
>Sally Rooney’s astoundingly accomplished debut, Conversations With Friends, was universally and deservedly acclaimed. It’s rare that a novel elicits such ferocious and unmitigated awe from just about everyone you know, whether male, female, millennial or middle aged, my family included. It was hard to believe that the author was still in her 20s and even harder to imagine that she could ever write anything better. But she has. In fact, in almost every way, this new novel leaves that first book in the shade.

>At first sight, the territory isn’t all that different. A twisting tale of on-off-on lovers, told over several years in a series of haltingly tender, endlessly misfiring conversations and even more tenderly misfiring sexual encounters. But where Rooney’s first novel was tight, slender, cool and (admirably) restrained, this one’s a whole lot more generous, expansive and explicit, as well as, actually, more controlled. It’s also deeply and unashamedly romantic, but in the most rapturously contemporary sense.

>Marianne and Connell – clever, sensitive, awkward teenagers – go to the same school in Sligo, but Marianne lives in the “white mansion with a driveway”, where Connell’s mother works as a cleaner. Regularly thrown into each other’s company when Connell comes to pick his mother up, the two constantly wrestle with their feelings. Connell doesn’t think Marianne likes him much, but he’s keenly aware of the sense of “total privacy” between them, and the fact that when (often) they slide into embarrassed laughter “they couldn’t look at each other ... they had to look into corners of the room, or at their feet”. It’s a surprise to them both (though not really to us) when they begin a hesitant, clandestine relationship. The latter because Marianne is considered at school to be a misfit, equally feared and mocked by the crueller members of their friendship group. But far from being indignant that Connell won’t own up to their liaison, our heroine – for reasons that will dawn slowly and chillingly as the novel unfolds – seems to accept it as her lot.

>>11685118
>When both get places at Trinity College Dublin, it’s the start of a protracted will-they-won’t-they? love affair, with the two relentlessly, often wretchedly, ricocheting between sexual involvement, furious dumping and a touchingly easy friendship. You read on, with your breath held and only one blazing question in mind. How long is it going to take this pair of star-crossed lovers to find out what the rest of us have understood from page one: that they belong together?

>It’s rare that I feel as daunted by the subtlety and complexity of a novel’s trajectory as by its near-perfect narrative execution, but in this case I doubt I’ll be alone.

>Structurally, it’s uniquely clever, purporting to be straightforward – even downright linear – with chapters headed “One Month Later” or even, in one case, “Five Minutes Later”, while actually slyly and constantly looping back on itself, revisiting past moments and conversations and events (along with their contingent confusion, regrets and anxieties) in a way that not only illuminates the present, but also creates a delectable, mounting suspense. A simple enough trick, perhaps – not showy, not post-modern, not meta – but it feels like nothing you’ve come across before.


>And then there’s the dialogue. Exactly as in her first novel, Rooney’s ear for the self-deluding fumblings of millennial dialogue, her wackily candid one-liners, her ability to mine both the comedy and the tragedy from any simple human interaction, are at once dazzlingly contemporary and enjoyably timeless. More than once, struck by her capacity for creating sparky, semi-erotic, verbal tension from mere discussion between a man and a woman, I was reminded of Jane Austen – think Pride and Prejudice with hangovers and finals thrown in.

>>11685122
>But what’s most extraordinary and moving about this novel is the portrait of modern male psyche at its heart. Rooney’s Marianne is a beautifully realised – and beautiful – heroine, absolutely and defiantly able to be herself, rising always above the queasy mire of her background (her wealth and privilege are unsettlingly tinged with physical and emotional abuse), in a way that constantly unnerves those around her, not least Connell.


>But it’s Connell who’s the stunning creation, achingly convincing in his maleness and his struggle to understand, and find an outlet for, his feelings. Intelligent, vulnerable and hopelessly incoherent, he is, in many ways, as fatally constrained by his own gender as Marianne seems, to some extent anyway, to be freed by hers.

>Connell loves Marianne but does not know how to be with her, can’t own up to his emotions, can’t give her what she needs – but neither can he exist without her. Safely ensconced with a new, dull girlfriend who makes him feel more uncomplicatedly happy (or so he tells himself), he sends ever more lengthy emails to Marianne. On one pungently observed occasion, he dreams up a good phrase and gets ready to write to her “only to remember that he can’t email her when she’s downstairs”.

>This is a beautiful novel with a deep and satisfying intelligence at its heart. It’s emotionally and sexually admirably frank (Marianne’s masochistic streak takes her down some dark paths), but also kind and wise, witty and warm. In the end, a little like Rooney’s first book, it’s a sympathetic yet pithy examination of the myriad ways in which men and women try – and all too often fail – to understand each other.

>But what lifts it beyond Conversations is that there’s so much hope here. Marianne has “never believed herself fit to be loved by any person” but Connell has set her free from that place and, whatever happens next, it’s clear that this effect will be long-lasting. In fact, perhaps the question of whether these two will end up together isn’t even the real question. Love changes us, but it also frees us and, as Rooney asserts here so very triumphantly, no one can take that away.

>>11679412
How often does she get fucked by chad?

>>11685052
Nobody gives a shit you retard, soi is a metaphor

>>11685430
It's not a metaphor you imbecile, you dumb fucks were lied to by the spergs you foillow and you fully believe in this shit and when someone reminds you that it's bullshit and you were conned, you get butthurt and pretend you don't mean it literally, and then you use it literally again.

4chan really needs some way to track people so you know whether you're talking to a human being or a mindless drone.

>>11685443
Wrong, I've been calling people soiboys for months and I unironically eat soi yoghurt every day for breakfast

>>11679542
Men get the job done, though.

>>11685460
>I unironically eat soi every day for breakfast

>>11685479
I didn't say that, I said something different behind the spoiler. Soi is for faglord leftists

>>11685460
That makes you an even bigger idiot, because it is not a literal term and you communicate to everyone that you're an idiot and a member of the unthinking collectivist sissies that constitute /pol/ by using it.

I begrudgingly read the (Irish) Sunday Independent and the shilling this woman gets is vomit inducing, I have to wonder how much they get paid. In one of her interviews she freely admits she doesn't read Irish lit, she doesn't read the classics, she hasn't read Yeats but she feels virtuous enough to call him a fascist that no one should read. Sally you wally

>>11685494
Whatever soiboy

>>11685460
Based hypocrite

>>11685506
I should say, her interests are contemporary USA lit and not much else, what an appropriate representation of the global millennial and D4 resident.

>>11679502
It's you that doesn't have a clue you weeb

>>11685118
>>11685122
>>11685129

fucking hell

>>11685594
... problem ?

>>11679424
hell i think even
"thought provoking" is often a hyperbole

>>11685129
>Rooney’s Marianne is a beautifully realised – and beautiful – heroine, absolutely and defiantly able to be herself, rising always above the queasy mire of her background (her wealth and privilege are unsettlingly tinged with physical and emotional abuse), in a way that constantly unnerves those around her, not least Connell.

Can someone please explain to me what this sentence means? Is this just a self insert for upper class haughty american women?

>>11685484
Is there really a difference eating it pure or from yogurt?

>>11680015
We are trascendent memes, everybody

>>11680015
generation of a free men

>>11685626
She's an absolute caricature stereotype and thats what makes her so original and free thinking

>it's about sex
Well colour me fucking surprised

>>11682206
"Talk to strangers" is a deceptive euphemism for "look for semi-anonymous hookups". Getting a dick pic as a result of that can't be seen as tragic.

>>11685118
>>11685122
>>11685129
I can't even tell you how much this makes me want to kill.

>>11685443
SOOOOOOOOIIIIIIBOOOOOOOOYYYYYYY

>>11685924
why?

>>11683049
>metaphysical x exists
Or
>metaphysical x does not exist
either way,
>citation needed

>>11679758
priceless

>>11682206
As someone desperate for nearly any.form of female sexual.attention, I really can't sympathize.

>>11680015
>TALKIN BOUT MY GENERATION
based patti smith

>>11685118
>>11685122
>>11685129
Is the book actually this bland and bad?

>>11686362
Its worse if anything

>>11680015
Does this have a title?

>>11684363
Also curious who this might be.

>>11679412
>Woman
>Talent
Does not compute

>>11679424
Based

>>11684363
Laurie Penny?

>>11680015
wow based

>GENERATION I MISS HITLER

this is the first time i've ever seen myself reflected in literature

>>11688203
Nah. She has longer and lighter/more naturally red looking hair. She also is a fiction author. I think one of her novels includes something to do with fire in the title Her last name is Jewish sounding for what it might be worth.

>>11688285
rachel kushner, author of "the flamethrowers"?

>>11688305
Woah, look at the Jew face on that

>>11688305
YES! THANKS! I've been trying to figure this out for a while and it was starting to bother me.

>>11679542
uniquely based and redpilled

>>11688322
no problemo. i read parts of her newest novel "the mars room" a while back and it was pretty good for lightweight modern lit. the text flows very well. it also helps that it's not thinly veiled autofiction or stronk artistic woman wish-fulfilment but a rather bleak tale about some despondent fuck-up doing life in prison

>>11679432
The edition with the Alex Katz painting is much better, this does indeed look like a beach read.

For those of you who haven't read it, it's good and has a dry humor but is a bit bougie (though that is a main anxiety of the book).

>>11680864
I'm ambivalent about this. Ben Lerner and Sheila Heti do this barefacedly, only I enjoy Heti more for some reason and find Lerner more cloying.

>>11681213
ding ding ding

>>11684746
Also this.

>>11679977
I would wifau that so hard

>>11688462
Meaning print out a picture of her and tape it to a pillow, masturbate on it, then cry yourself to sleep? You can already do that, no need to keep this hypothetical.

>>11680015
why are you so angry lad
i'm legit shitting myself reading this post

>>11688453
>She actually read it

Pathetic dumb bimbo. Time to go back to reddt

>>11680015
first piece of writing to make me feel something in months

>>11679412
'Murika has no future
We get what we deserve
We get shit like this
Mindless drivel will be the swan song of our nation.

>>11679933
>I worked in the arts for a while and often felt like a lot of 'original content' was as an attempt by older people to use young people's ideas to stay relevant.

oh u mean like that contrived warhol-basquiat collabo lmao

>>11680015
absolutely and unequivocally based

>>11680015
>A man, finally pushed to the edge, collapses to his knees in the busy public forum
>His logical mind falling unconscious, the words that explode from within him come purely from his soul, from the furnace of his anguish
>Through the froth and the foam, smoke, but also light
>By the time he is once again silent, not a single bewildered onlooker can possibly dig deep enough to find an argument. Not one can say he is wrong. Not one can say they truly disagree
>Like the shoots and sprays of Spring, claps can start to be heard
>A long Summer dawns for the mind of the individual, revolution blooms
>A man defines a generation
>From that definition, the walls become illuminated
>Finding the walls, we can escape

>>11685122
>think Pride and Prejudice with hangovers and finals thrown in.

>>11688322
Kushner is 50, homeboy

>>11681295
What’s the story here?

>>11680015
no joke this is one of the few things of literary value this decade

>>11688863
the lady author is Irish

>>11688693
I'm a man, baby.

>>11688693
yeah god forbid anyone actually reads the books we tear apart on here

>>11680015
>THE TAO LIN OF OUR GENERATION
The most disgusting line in this whole paragraph

>>11680015
This is probably the single greatest thing ever written.

>>11682318
No one could ever replace poopy rupi. Besides, she hasn't even shown us her period blood stains yet.

>>11679445

>>11680015
A towering work from a poster at the height of his considerable power. A dense Star for lesser shit posts to orbit.

>>11685506
Can I get a sauce on her dismissing Yeats?

>>11682033
>this

Tumblr is unwelcome

>>11685542
t. Sally Rooney

>>11680000
quads has spoken

>>11680762

Lol.

>>11679542

I've seen women do things you wouldn't believe.

>>11689331
>there will be a zoomer tao lin in your lifetime

>>11685118
>>11685122
>>11685129

So damn gay.

Also, Mark Twain was right about Jane Austen:

>Everytime I read 'Pride and Prejudice' I want to dig her up and beat her over the skull with her own shin-bone.

and

>She makes me detest all her people, without reserve. Is that her intention? It is not believable. Then is it her purpose to make the reader detest her people up to the middle of the book and like them in the rest of the chapters? That could be. That would be high art. It would be worth while, too. Some day I will examine the other end of her books and see.

>>11679424
Came here to post this.

>>11679412


>Frances is twenty-one years old, cool-headed, and darkly observant. A college student and aspiring writer, she devotes herself to a life of the mind--and to the beautiful and endlessly self-possessed Bobbi, her best friend and comrade-in-arms. Lovers at school, the two young women now perform spoken-word poetry together in Dublin, where a journalist named Melissa spots their potential.

Who ordered the self-insert YA? that'll be $26.99 and a generation defining voice, plus tip.

>>11679445
Say whatever you want but the guy taught a priceless lesson to the girl.

>>11680015
Groundbreaking

>>11680015
is he, dare I say it... /generationdefining/?

>>11680015
Okay, now this is epic

>>11688322
Kushner is pretty good. Her short story collection and Flamethrowers are excellent.

>>11679457
>Salinger for the Snapchat generation
I'm HIV-positive after reading this phrase

>>11680015
Wew LAD

>>11679925
The de Sade of the you porn generation

The Kafka of the Cuck generation

>>11679424
>anus-erupting

the carson mccullers of generation jordan peterson

>>11679412
>Novelist
>Talent

>>11697022

>Cismorphosis by Tranz Kafka

>>11696071
>>Frances is twenty-one years old, cool-headed, and darkly observant. A college student and aspiring writer, she devotes herself to a life of the mind--and to the beautiful and endlessly self-possessed Bobbi, her best friend and comrade-in-arms. Lovers at school, the two young women now perform spoken-word poetry together in Dublin, where a journalist named Melissa spots their potential.

i wonder what their farts smell like

a woman isn't defining shit

>>11680015
>WHEN I WAS A LITTLE GIRL MY DADDY NEVER TOUCHED MY VAGINA AND NOW I'M A BIG GIRL AND HE STILL NEVER TOUCHES MY VAGINA, WHY DADDY WHY

exquisite

>>11697073
>As Gregor Samsa awoke one morning from uneasy dreams he found zerself transformed in his bed into a genderfluid non-binary unassumed octopedal vermin.