/lit/ - Literature

What's it with all this Deleuze shit?

why do pseuds keep shilling this hack? we get it you spent no time on the most important philosophers and skipped forward to the french tards

now go back and study the greeks, you'll thank me later

>>11677497
philosophy is all about creating concepts, bro. don't be that pussy-ass empty or cancerous body without organs. be that fully body without organs. merge 1 and 0 together and created some kind of programming code with that shit. don't deprogram society. reprogram it with new concepts.

At some point the contrarian nature of imageboards has to take hold and rebuke this shit.

>>11677497
>ok this fucking slaps
ok this fucking snaps

Stirner has been replaced by Deleuze as /lit/'s official "babby's first philosopher"

>>11677497
Anti-Oedipus is pretty bad so far outside a few ideas (which have already been reiterated to shit). That D.H. Lawrence quote they used physically hurt me from the imaginary pain of being crushed by trash.

>>11677518
reading philosophy backwards is actually redpilled
>tfw reading plato's dialogues and realizing he already was hegel and kant and foocko and everyone in between
chronologycucks will never reach this level of enlightenment

>>11677556
t. didn't understand half of what he read

>>11677523

Give it five years. It's the big meme these days, and it'll be hated five years on.

>>11677530
You posted using a tripcode and so your opinion is void by default. Be quiet or don't, it makes no difference.

>>11677518
>implying you've ever read anything, ever

>>11677556
How the fuck would you understand anything in Hegel if you were reading this stuff backwards?

>>11678637
Secondary Literature or great reading comprehension. It’s not impossible. Also, Hegel is simpler to understand backwards than foward due to his influence on philosophy. If you’ve read Critical Theorist, Marxists or just philosophy after Hegel you will be well aware of so much Hegel without even reading him.

>>11677515
a strange mix of being frontrunners and pesky contrarians at once is my guess.

it's true that deleuze is a big deal, and there's basically no way to refute his position except by dismissing continental philosophy out of hand completely. so until that happens you can just throw up a post that says Smartest Endboss and basically everyone has to agree with you, whether they (or you) have actually read him or not. until somebody else becomes a big deal in the field.

but stirner was the go-to philosopher a while ago and then it was peterson. now it appears to be deleuze. who knows, that might actually be progress.

What did they mean by this?

>>11678702
>a field of anuses, just like a pack of wolves
yes, of course

>>11678668
lmao what position? describing his disgusting perverted hallucinations isn't a position. if you think deleuze is vital or serious you're a clown. he's a pseud magnet and only has any purpose in exposing them.

>>11678753
i do think deleuze was brilliant. obviously there's more to him than Field Of Anuses. and like all brilliant philosophers it's easy to be charmed by them if you think they've got all the answers, since you don't have to think for yourself.

lots of continentals say and write crazy stuff. they're like professional mad scientists. comes with living in your own head.

>>11678702

I correctly described the chapter as furry-shit some months ago.

>>11677515
because the world is reflecting Deleuze's predictions more and more you dip

>>11677556
shut up lol

>>11678787
Just read the science, which has moved on from the 1980's and is even more inherently psychedelic now without some deviant frog's impression of it.

>>11678815
what predictions? globalization?

>>11678826
globalism in the sense that ties between previously disparate ideas are growing far too complex for any person or persons to grapple with

>>11678832
so what's the point of the analysis if its object has transcended possible comprehension? do you think his jumbled deadhead ontology actually clarifies anything?

>>11678844
i'm not saying it clarifies anything, just saying that he was right in his predictions of capital causing the world order to mimic the misfiring synapses of a sick and dying brain. u dont have to read it to accept that his predictions ultimately came true

>>11678867
>society is sick
>capitalism is like a machine
>the machines are taking over
>modernity is making us crazy
>globalization is a confusing mess
>the idiots in charge don't know what's going on
I hope you're not suggesting these observations are ground breaking original prophecy. Even if Deleuze wasn't exactly denying these, so what? What about the rest of his thought is worth preserving?

>>11678873
they are by no means groundbreaking but im not going to discredit his crazy psychobabble in its repackaging of pretty old thoughts, at least its helping people come to those realizations now, hopefully itll make people want to change things or whatever

>>11677497
FELIX PASS THE BONG

>>11678921
I'm saying we (you) can do it anon.
We don't need more cringey Deleuzians. Nick Land needs to be taken out to a paddock somewhere and retired. The ideas sell themselves when presented simply without the thousand tons of febrile windbag horseshit that serves only as a high entry barrier which by nature attracts ultra-pretentious charlatans who cloud and ultimately discredit the vital aspects of this type of thought.

>>11678948
why does it matter how people come to these conclusions? as long as they come to the conclusion it seems to me as if there is no harm done, whether it be reading a ton of theory or just coming to them naturally. i see no point in discrediting the path to the "right" conclusions, as long as the path is taken. i agree, all the deleuzians and accelerationist weirdos are frustrating and lost seeming but at least theyre thinking about this stuff. plus its difficult to discredit reading this stuff due to its "fun" aspect, its very fun to engage in these convoluted thoughts and mental gymnastics

>>11678961
if anything is to happen there is a need to engage with more than just druggie miscreants, foppish twats and misanthropic trolls, with Deleuze a piquantly obnoxious blend of all three. These are nobodies and we're running out of time to fuck around with ephemeral bourgeois """art""" projects, even of the epic guerilla twitter variety.

>>11678971
yeah i agree, time is definitely running out. i just have a knee jerk reaction to making fun of people lost in the theory wormhole because i was stuck in it for a long time, glad im out of it now though

>>11678702
>flying anuses, speeding vaginas

>>11678975
it's tough love anon, you know I don't mean to be so harsh. rhetorical excesses is just fire with fire. take care, you're not alone in this.

>>11679002
i appreciate your kind words anon, the same goes for you. best of luck

>>11678961
Read some Empicurus, you crypto-normative twat.

>>11678971
Actually, fuck both of you. Between French poofery and impotent German angst, you both deserve a good braining. And fuck Spengler for perverting good old philosophical pessimism with reprehensible historical determinism.

>>11679086
>german angst is impotent
anon...
if you don't have a point besides posing as a bloodthirsty hobgoblin in the same line as whimpering "reprehensable" like a mealy mouthed sissy, why post?

>>11678873
their whole goal was to upend psychoanalysis; you are both focusing on the memes rather than what they actually wrote

>>11678702
holoy shit ok

I finished this book a few days ago; honestly don't think anyone in this thread has even read it. Why does every philosopher I get into turn full meme? I'm reading System of Objects right now, so get your Baudrillard memes ready early.

>>11679115
It's been impotent ever since metaphysical voluntarism became eclipsed by hegelianism.

>>11678651
>t. never read Hegel
the only Marxist I would trust reading Hegel is Zizek (this includes Marx)

>>11679075
what do you mean

>just start reading Deleuze
>suddenly he's a /lit/ meme

GET OUT OF MY HEEEAAAAAAAAAAD

>>11679116
>it was satire
>>11679154
>Why make fun of the Pasture of Fartholes? That delicious oasis of winking shitters... to my taste anyway such delights, magnifique!

>>11678668
>there's basically no way to refute his position except by dismissing continental philosophy out of hand completely
There's no way to refute the position of any philosopher; doesn't matter how recent they are.

>>11679176
Some acatalepsia and ephectic Pyrrhonism would do you good.

>>11678702

>Open anti-oedipis
>page two
>'Judge Schreber has sunbeams in his ass; a Solar Anus!'
>mfw people actually call this philosophy

>>11679209
noice

>>11679191
That's not even from Anti-Oedipus

>>11679219
>he hasn't read The Solar Anus

>>11678702
FREUD BTFO

>>11679241
>tfw people are trying to read deleuze without reading Bataille
Makes me sick. Deleuze is just Bataille for nerds anyway

>>11678702
>it's not that simple;

hahahahah

>>11679237
this thread is about the sequel, which does in fact quite exquisitely detail such a wild and writhing corral of ravenous poopchutes as though a vertiginous vortex of pendulous peckers plummeting into voluminously vast vaginal vacuums

>>11679254
based

>>11678986
Best band name ever.

>>11678702
I wish they had a less weird style. Their ideas on a material productive unconscious based on thresholds and emissions makes sense and is even attested by science (depends on what unconscious means of course, Freud poisoned the term forever), but their way of presenting this stuff is always in the most convoluted, weird and difficult way possible. Grab the wolf by the anus son!

>>11679254
one pleb equals the other

>>11679190
To be fair, we've had elaborate Deleuze threads for ages. It was only a matter of time.

>>11679288
>he hasn’t taken the bataillepill
embarrassing

>>11679298
take your pills first

>>11679300
>limiting my limit-experience
ok retard

>>11679309
you already talk like a pomo-fag

>>11679311
stick to your lobsters fag. Meanwhile I’ll be producing monsters through the sleep of reason. I truly feel sorry for you, your mediocrity is a warning to others. Don’t become like this insipid retard. Whatever he says to do, you must do the opposite.

>>11679320
>stick to your lobsters fag.
>reading bataille and deleuze and calling me a lobster-fag
kek

>>11679332
I’m the one shilling Bataille over Deleuze and yet I don’t see Bataille in the pic? Once again you show yourself to be truly retarded and annoying. It’s time to go back.

>>11679359
>I’m the one shilling Bataille
worse enough

>>11679370
Do you have a single valid criticism of Bataille or are you just an anti-pomo shillbot in a thread you don’t belong

>>11679373
Just read The Accursed Share: An Essay on General Economy and you will find that Bataille gets all the most simple words wrong like alienation.

>>11679381
I have read it and I disagree. Bataille throws around a lot of conflicting meanings not because he doesn’t understand them, but to reformulate ideas in a way not previously considered...like for instance the movement from restricted economy to general economy. Also why does Bataille have to conform to previously established definitions? That’s kinda his whole deal with transgression and so on. If he conformed to standard ideas he wouldn’t really be Bataille, he’d just be part of the normal canon which I don’t think he would have wanted. So basically by hoping that Bataille would keep Marxist definitions untampered with you’ve missed the whole point of his ideas and I find it amazing that you read one of his books with the whole thing flying over your head.

>>11679158
>t. never read Kojève

Goat.

The smartest man to ever live.

A titan.

>>11679623
Is that the actual cover? It looks like the "only the dead" meme.

>>11679673
Yes, it’s a common PUF cover. PUF stands for Presses universitaires de France, one of the greatest publisher here in France.

>>11679688

>>11679625
But that's not Elon Musk.

>>11679931
>you can tell it's real because it looks so fake

musk chanelling fetid french fuckery

none of this shit matters. we're in a simulation that will be shut down eventually.

>tfw too dumb and lazy to read and understand deleuze
How do you guys do it? I can barely understand Plato desu

>>11678702
>becoming wolf
This merely is in reference to the trans formative act of becoming Other. See this post in the other Deleuze thread >>11680336
>on the edge of a pack
This is the multiplicity that is mentioned on the first page of the book, where each of them feel like they are several. This is a common theme of the book and shouldn't come across as anything new is you read the book from the beginning.

>>11680107
FUCKING WHEN, YOU FRENCH COCKSUCKER???

>>11678637
Hegel went to great pains to make his stuff intelligible without context. Unfortunately he failed, but adding context doesn't make it any easier anyways.

>>11678668
If dismissing Delueze comes at the cost of dismissing all of continental philosophy it's a price I'd be happy to pay.

>>11677497
What does fucking slaps mean?

>>11679332

I am Considering the Lobster. What has the lobster to do with a geology of morals? What, if anything, has the lobster to do with conventional life advice and a robust rejection of nihilism?

Help me understand. What is the significance of the lobster as totem?

>>11680986
god is a lobster (a double pincer of articulation). the ambivalence and joined dualisms holistically in itself keep it from having any discernible identity.

>>11680986
Well for DFW they were literal lobsters and are connected to animal rights due to the way we presume that they feel pain and the fact that they're not easy to kill humanely due to how their nervous system is spread out or something like that.

For Peterson iirc it's a matter of hierarchy and how lobsters feel wellbeing depending on their position in it (we presume based on their release of serotonin or something like that).

For D&G, God is a lobster or a double pincer because he captures life in strata and between minimum and maximum thresholds and blocks it. D&G are vitalists of some sort so life is metaphysically free "from the start" and every object in the world is a composite that captures life and each objects has many thresholds in which it stays together (extensive limits, intensive limits such as melting or boiling or freezing points etc.) so the lobster God captures the becomings of the pluralistic chaosmos which is an egg. Too many food analogies.

>>11677497
In a few hundred years these faggots and their gobbledegook will only be found in footnotes, along with some obscure medieval scholastics.

>>11681039
Thanks for sharing, glad you got that off your chest. Always glad to see the same shitposts in every thread. I too insist on going to everything I dislike and announcing it with superiority. Feels great man.

>>11678702

>Flying anuses, speeding vaginas.

I'm dying.

>>11679075
based empicurus pill. Deleuzian pastiche ancient philosopher - combination of empiricus and epicurus? Are we talking pyrrhonian hedonism?
Sign me up senpai.

#empicurus

>>11679254
and bataille is just desade for pretentious tortoise shell bespectacled moustache-sporting artisanal beer-quaffing humanities grad students

>>11679564
people like Kojeve are exactly why I said that

>>11681039
Nah it's gonna be frogtwitter and some other fringe theory-twitter sphere.

>>11680385
I see, should I follow this program then?

What even is Deleuze?

>>11682229
an animal who became man

>>11679404
lmao at the pomo damage control ITT
>muh peterson
>bataille
>kojeve
>zizek
if you gish gallop with name drops you can perpetually defer holding your prof's accountable for memeing you this hard right?

>>11682283
>petersen
one of these names is not like the others
this is an interesting take, academia teaches the real memes while /lit/ remains the place of pure study (i.e. the Greeks). In a way, a few years on /lit/ is more worthwhile than a PhD in everything but the job market.

>>11682283
cuck

>>11682305
I meant that the Peterson character acts as a shield for them
>see this popular critic is wrong about X, therefore all critics are wrong about it all

>>11682330
>pomo apologist appropriating "cuck"
fuck off and die.

>>11682338
i am not 'pomo'
i am a wolf in a field of anuses
now i am a lion, grazing the urethral plains
now i am a cuck. bloody pomo neo marxists destroying western civilization
nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger

>>11682359
wow, so transgressive...
maybe direct your anger at the careerist wreckers who filled your mind with nonsense
all i'm really doing is posting their own words XD

>>11677515
right?

STOP WITH THE DELEUZE THREADS YOU FAGGOTS
yall aint even read him

>>11682377
all nonsense has meaning if you know where to look!!

>>11682338
walking contrafuckingdiction, appropriating terms of cultural significance within a traditional premo context?

>>11682406
>yall

>>11682413
true, you know what has more meaning than nonsense though? actual meaning.
>>11682416
>what is mimesis

>>11682449
what the fuck does mimesis have to do with this? i mean really, stupid little nigger, tell me, what is the relation?

>>11682441
I'm not sure why you post translations when I have the french text.

>>11682441
the masochism mentioned is in reference to people repressing others (or even masochistically repressing themselves) if they do not share the common desires of the normative masses. people also sadistically act out upon other like fascists by assimilating them to the status quo in social system, labeling all with false illnesses who deviate from the norms of such a system (a schizo is just one example). this was the point of foucault's whole intro to the book itself and its' relations to power discourse.

>>11682462
why are you so mad and racist dude... am I not allowed to appropriate the term appropriation? I'm just posting telling excerpts from 1000 Plato's with some commentary which is the book the thread's about.
>>11682468
good for you buddy. French is clearly essential hahaha
>>11682476
he explicitly says it is one way to create BwO through becoming-animal but he charitably includes a disclaimer in the interests of harm minimization i guess

>>11677497
>slaps

reported

>>11682441
but does the sadist become animal too? are they becoming animal together? post the next page dude i need to know

>>11682283
Damn dude you really refuted my points. So many great arguments! I guess I’ll drop Bataille now thanks to your superior facts and logic.

>>11682527
here you go sportsfan
>>11682564
>muh ben shapiro

>>11677556
THIS so much THIS

>>11682588
>complains about pomo damage control
>shills deleuze
ok retard

>>11682597
you think i'm shilling for the canyon of crappers?

>>11682605
You are posting excerpts at the request of anons who are enjoying it so yes you are

>>11682614
if you think this is making Deleuze and them look good, you're a freak.

>>11682632
I don’t like deleuze all that much but for someone who claims to hate him you’re behaving like someone who secretly likes him. Posting his “wacky” excerpts to gawk at while other anons ask for more. You remind me of a girl I knew who would announce to me that she found a new tv show that she hated but would then say “I hate it so much i HAVE to watch the whole thing”. Then there’s you who knows exactly what pages to post because “these are my least favourite, I HAD to read the entire book to find out which parts I hated the most!!” Stop being a bitch and be honest with yourself. You love D&G.

>>11682659
I find it entertaining in a trainwreck way. It's more that all these Serious Intellectuals took this seriously that constitutes the hilarious part, not his nauseating trip reports by themselves.

>>11682659
D&G are beyond this kind of base fre*dian analysis, it's more likely he posts them to posit the unraveling of the logic of irony against sincerity, a triangular transmorphosis of the shitpost, the wolf upon the mountain, anally becomes the volcano. intermezzo.

>>11682666
Damn well I can’t disagree with you, especially after seeing this >>11682702 I really hope Deleuze doesn’t become a new epic meme because if I see more posts like this I will become a gun-human appendage on the path to becoming dead.

>>11682717
>I really hope Deleuze doesn’t become a new epic meme

We've consistently had Deleuze threads for a while now and everything about him screams meme. It's only a matter of time before Deleuzeposting becomes the new Petersonposting.

Which is good because I unironically like him and think he made countless worthwhile good points despite his horrid style.

>>11682717
you just seem a tad jumpy and defensive for someone who is totally cool with the demented perv shitposts that turned the academy into a joke being shown for precisely what they are here on 4chan of all places. quite the fitting détournement no?

>>11682772
>quite the fitting détournement no?
seeing someone unironically talk like this makes me enraged. It’s ok bud we’re on 4chan you can talk normally. Also I have no fucking clue what you’re talking about and I don’t know why you think I’m “cool” with it.

>>11682760
>countless good points
name any
>>11682795
>I'm enraged
oh my bad. back to the drawing board!

>>11682812
>I’m enraged
D&G are beyond this kind of base fre*dian analysis, it's more likely he posts them to posit the unraveling of the logic of irony against sincerity, a triangular transmorphosis of the shitpost, the wolf upon the mountain, anally becomes the volcano. intermezzo.

bump

>>11681023

Wherefore is this the case? Is this explicated in the appropriate chapter of Thousand Plateaus, or elsewhere? It instead seems to me that a lobster is a fine discrete, and altogether definite, body with organs. Also your last sentence sounds like total bullshi...

Oh my god of course it's all bullshit.