/lit/ - Literature

>>11677597
>Being an adult
>Not realizing that all humans are flawed

That's what happens when you only read contemporary lit where the hero is not allowed to have flaws. What a sad culture

>>11677597
this is what happens when you write with your heart and not with your head.

Why do you care
why are you wasting your time criticising strangers you don't care about

>>11677597
Was there any symbolism or esotericism in The Giver? It felt so shallow to me

>>11677597
>sheltered white kid hit by realisation that the world isn't as nice as their bubble
What are you even sperging out about? Sure, the person sounds like a massive faggot but almost everyone living in the first world is.

Enough of this fucking social-media posting. Read a book you drooling retard.

>>11677597
>is the depiction of the horror of attaining adulthood
I find it hilarious when people think being an adult is a sufficient thing to whine about. They are trying to make people feel sorry for them so they can justify blaming their inabilities and faults on being a fucking adult. The funny thing is they achieve the exact opposite, and it is immediately obvious how pathetic they are, and what stupid shit they are willing to blame that "pathetic" nature on. Poetic justice.

>>11677619
I was sent a push notification for this

>>11677624

Agreed. The stupid "look at this pleb lol aren't we so much better guys!!!!!????" threads need to stop. The only thing I'm cringing at is the fact that you downie simpletons feel the need to share this with the rest of us as if we give a damn.

>>11677608
I admittedly haven’t read any contemporary literature, hope what you say is false.

>>11677647
Christ, THIS

Being an adult is not that hard. Get a job, improve yourself, and don't be a burden. Life isn't fair, grow up and get over it.

>>11677841
>pull yourself by the boot straps

>Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment.

>Laziness and cowardice are the reasons why such a large part of mankind gladly remain minors all their lives, long after nature has freed them from external guidance. They are the reasons why it is so easy for others to set themselves up as guardians. It is so comfortable to be a minor. If I have a book that thinks for me, a pastor who acts as my conscience, a physician who prescribes my diet, and so on--then I have no need to exert myself. I have no need to think, if only I can pay; others will take care of that disagreeable business for me. Those guardians who have kindly taken supervision upon themselves see to it that the overwhelming majority of mankind--among them the entire fair sex--should consider the step to maturity, not only as hard, but as extremely dangerous. First, these guardians make their domestic cattle stupid and carefully prevent the docile creatures from taking a single step without the leading-strings to which they have fastened them. Then they show them the danger that would threaten them if they should try to walk by themselves. Now this danger is really not very great; after stumbling a few times they would, at last, learn to walk. However, examples of such failures intimidate and generally discourage all further attempts.

>Thus it is very difficult for the individual to work himself out of the nonage which has become almost second nature to him. He has even grown to like it, and is at first really incapable of using his own understanding because he has never been permitted to try it. Dogmas and formulas, these mechanical tools designed for reasonable use--or rather abuse--of his natural gifts, are the fetters of an everlasting nonage. The man who casts them off would make an uncertain leap over the narrowest ditch, because he is not used to such free movement. That is why there are only a few men who walk firmly, and who have emerged from nonage by cultivating their own minds.

>It is more nearly possible, however, for the public to enlighten itself; indeed, if it is only given freedom, enlightenment is almost inevitable. There will always be a few independent thinkers, even among the self-appointed guardians of the multitude. Once such men have thrown off the yoke of nonage, they will spread about them the spirit of a reasonable appreciation of man's value and of his duty to think for himself.

>>11677871
yes Kant is great

What? i read the fucking giver in elementary school. I get that you want to catch up but to give such massive head to a mediocre book just feels wrong

>>11677597
>the horror of attaining adulthood

>>11677841
> t. Neoliberal apologist

>>11677899
If you barely read anything a mediocre book can be the best one you ever read.

Any top post on /r/books are embarrassing at any time

>>11677647
you'll understand once you grow up

because reddit is populated by brainlet manchildren who want to congratulate a person any time they 'accomplish' anything

>>11679608
Almost like the brainlet manchildren who want to congratulate each others on not being like the kids from reddit.

>>11677871
>It is more nearly possible, however, for the public to enlighten itself; indeed, if it is only given freedom, enlightenment is almost inevitable
has one man ever been more wrong?

>>11677597
>visceral
every fucking time

>>11677597
>realization that adults and society are flawed
>horror
What the fuck? This was the happiest part of adolescence for me. Would you rather compete with perfect people or retards?

>>11679917
>normalfag: uses reddit
>contrarian:hates reddit
>hyper post-post irony contrarinarian: uses reddit to be contrary to contrarians

>>11680760
Unironically this. Books for this feel?

>>11679945
t. fascist

what is /lit/'s take on this?

>>11679945
this is what happens when you're never exposed to diversity. I love the fact that I grew up in the most ethnically and economically diverse part of the US specifically because it taught me that we aren't at all equal in any way

>>11680785
I would say allow students to select from a shelf of pre-approved literature. My fondest times with literature in high-school was taking books from my High School english teacher's shelf, that he wanted to teach but hadn't gotten approval for; I read Paradise Lost, The Bell Jar, and Moby Dick by that method.

>>11680785
students should be removed from their parents to a boarding school for a period of three years (to prevent outside influence from rich, poor, violent, etc. parents) and take a test when they're 12 years old. Kids who fail would be immediately kicked out of school and sent to technical training. Others would be sorted into different levels. The UK was fucking retarded to get rid of the tripartite system

>>11680785
>>11680802
I remember having this assigned for a few essays throughout HS, mostly choices of classic literature but one or two contemporary novels. I fondly remember reading Fight Club in Junior year before everyone quoted it/hated it.

>>11680760
It's isolating and any vocalization of this makes you come across as a neurotic asshole with a superiority complex but ya I agree

>>11677707
Just look at contemporary movies, it's the same thing. Or Twitter... If someone does one thing bad ever, or holds any viewpoints that aren't accepted, they cannot be the hero. It creates a world where Human nature or characters can never be explored in an honest way

>>11680794
Funny. I grew up in one of the most ethnically homogeneous places in the US and it taught me the same thing.

>>11677841
Know how I know you're a middle upper class white guy?

>>11677597
>teacher

YA readers and other kidults are afraid of adulthood because they get scorched by the twin suns of personal responsibility and planning for the future. This is across all class lines - the ones who post Facebook or instagram memes about how hard it is to be an adult will always lack these capacities, whether rich or poor.

>>11677597
>muh students
die

>>11680785
they have no taste, they can't be left to their own devices

A literature thread on 4chans literary catalog site

>>11680939
Poorfags learn it by the time they are nine. If they are slow.

>>11677597
I'm sure this creature thinks itself "educated" and mouths off to other people like it knows better and should be thought of as a wellspring of wisdom. Jesus christ, idiots have the biggest mouths.

I use Reddit and still hate how shitty the default subs are. /r/todayilearned, /r/gaming, /r/funny, /r/jokes, and /r/pics are the worst areas of the site simply because so many fucking people are on them, and virtually every thread on /r/funny and /r/jokes in particular will have a high-rated comment saying the post is shit.

>>11677597
>teach widely in YA fiction
please don't tell me YA fiction is being taught

>>11677597
>a teacher
this is why people home school.

>>11682399
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>>11681230
>started “seriously” reading last year
>reads the classics so they can tell other people but doesn’t understand them

>>11679602
Other than the speculation I am not ALREADY an adult, your whole statement is essentially saying "You will do this too", which you are only saying to further justify doing this yourself ("this" being unjustly blaming to negate your own shortcoming). You have proven my point.

>>11680785
I remember being allowed to choose any book to read for some kind of work in grade 7. It made sense at that age because you're still learning the very basics of writing, which even mediocre YA fiction can teach.

it's just a reverse of the millions of dumb "US soldier survives apocalypse/beats terrorists/does whatever while screaming OOO RAH and tearfully saying Semper Fi" novels and you're melting down like it's important

>>11677676
thats your fault for even having reddit on your phone dipshit

>>11677707
idk people seem flawed in what I read/watch

>>11683559
I also look down on people who read those books though, equally if not more so actually. It's all YA

>>11677597
The Simpsons did that.

>>11683716
>I'm superior because I only read true literature
>I'm superior because I only watch true film
>I'm superior because I only listen to classical music
>I'm superior because I only consume /serious culture/

Mate, you should be reading the classics adn the great books, but it is okay once in a while to read something that is just fun. Just like it is okay to put Frasier or the Office on for the 58th time when you want to unwind. It's okay to have a beer and a cheeseburger sometimes

>>11677608
there is contemporary lit where the heroes have flaws, what you're talking about is pop fiction and genre trash

>>11677597
The Giver is objectively a good book.