/lit/ - Literature

legs

fuck that faggot. do some push ups.

Literally the only philosophy books he recommends are Nietzsches and Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. Pleb af.

I HAVE HAD ENOUGH WITH THESE JEZEBELS

I wanna take off her shoes

>>11661037
philosoyphy is for gays and losers

>>11661021
>>11661022
>tfw big arms but small legs
books for this feeling?

>>11661013
There's way too much American and 20th Century literature on this stupid list. Where's Cervantes? Where's Borges? Fuck, where's HOMER? Peterson is trying to turn manchildren into men and he forgot about the Iliad? Pathetic.

i really hate this tiny socks meme where it looks like you dont wear socks because they're too tiny. how did this happen? why is this a thing?

>>11661054
The fact is that Memerson has never read any book from other countries than Murrica, which makes him a complete C U C K.
Sage.

>>11661075
Isn't he Canadian? Him only reading literature from the Alpha Chad country south of the border to his own actually makes him even more cucked.

>Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
That book was so boring and I felt like it was reiterating the exact same point over and over.

>>11661013
just imagine being this bluepilled

>>11661078
That's exactly what I meant.

>>11661097
Literally shutting his eyes and putting his fingers in ears. Pathetic.

>>11661049

>>11661097
ass

>>11661064
No-show socks have been around forever, not everything is a fucking meme.

>>11661111
>not everything is a fucking meme
kek'd and check'd
||||

>>11661111
oh there's even a fancy word for gay little socks, how quaint!

>>11661097
Fuck, I was so obsessed with his horrible taste in novels that I didn't even see him recommending Pinker. What a total joke.

>>11661128
In my country they're literally called "little ghosts"

>>11661013
Why is she sitting on the floor of a book store reading a book when there are normally chairs in these stores, what a poof

>>11661013
>jung
Disgusting, almost as bad as freud

>>11661216
>mfw Peterson's rampant stupidity caused backlash and apathy to Jung's work

>>11661013
im howny wah

>>11661013
Alright you fucking cunt. Get up. I said GET UP BITCH. This is an AISLE where people WALK (hehe people, not fucking subhuman women) alright I'm gonna tell you this one time and one time only. If i EVER see you in this bookstore again, I will stick my foot up your cunt and wreck you. You are a succubus and I will not be sudduced by your pathetic lizard tears. I am immune to them, sworn to a life of chastity (involuntary chastity that is) now TURN AROUND and FUCK OFF.

>>11661054
America is the greatest country on the face of the planet. Why would you need anything else?

>>11661310
American poetry sucks bruh, not to mention philosophy. The peak you had is Emerson, kek.

>>11661314
What are you talking about? American novels are some of the best in the world.

>>11661013
what do i like? i really like the classics XD

>>11661097
>yeah I know the world is radicalizing and everyone is expressing discontent, but have you seen my cheeseburgers per capita graph?

>>11661324
>literally talks about poetry and philosophy
>american novels are some of the best in the world
Hope you were ironic cause I actually laughed, thanks

Wait a minute, that list of stories is overwhelmingly American and overwhelmingly consists of novels... but there's no Moby-Dick.

HOW DO YOU HAVE A LIST DOMINATED BY AMERICAN NOVELS AND NOT PUT THE GREATEST AMERICAN NOVEL OF THEM ALL ON IT

>>11661013
>House of God
Based

>>11661013
EXCUSE ME.

>>11661314
>American poetry sucks bruh
are you canadian? American poetry from the 19th century onward is on par with Britain. The other anglo countries have nothing, literally.
>whitman
>dickenson
>eliot
>pound
>stevens
>frost
meanwhile canada gives us:
>kaur

>>11661385
>eliot
>pound
They have literally nothing you could define "American".

>whitman
>dickinson
I'll give you those two.
We can also add Ginsberg, Williams Carlos Williams and Plath. But overall it's not a poetic tradition I would compare to the ones of France, Italy and Spain.

>>11661385
>Rupi is from Canada
>so is Peterson

You know what, I'm now fully in favor of Trump's trade war against Canada. In fact, I think we should invade Canada, and rid ourselves of the Canadian menace once and for all.

>>11661013
I appreciate all of the drug literature and the Oliver Sacks.

>>11661314
t. leaf

>>11661355
>"Hey, I know things are looking pretty grim right now. But I have charts to prove that we're in fact going upward. If we do things right we can-"
>"SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP I WANT TO LIVE MY END TIMES FANTASY!"

Is To Kill A Mockingbird the most effective piece of propaganda ever created?

>>11661466
>we're in fact going upward
up is down, down is up. as above, so below. there is no upward to these people. us humans are fucked tho

>>11661049
>tfw big arms but no legs

>>11661466
The point is that all the metrics these people fixate on is ancillary to a happy human life. There's no real attempt to wrestle with why people might be justifiably unhappier, and the technocrats are content to chock that unhappiness up to irrational catastrophizing. So, given their assumption that it's some irrational reflex lacking in perspective, they attempt to handwave it away by presenting GDP graphs, real wage graphs, crime statistics, etc.

Point is, it never attempts to wrestle with why people may actually be unhappy in a meaningful way.

To highlight my point, one could imagine a situation where all these metrics are improved to their absolute limit: all human beings live in isolated cages connected to sophisticated medical equipment, all productivity is handled by machines. There is no crime, lifespans are long, humans have all their material wants satisfied, but one could only imagine the actual misery that such a society would embody, a misery that would make foraging in the wild for game look like a preferable life.

I don't mean to say that our society is that absurd depiction, but that the fixations of these apologists for the status quo are inadequate to understand what really ails people.

>>11661596
but money and the internet and iphones, life is amazing!

>>11661596
Just the fact that we try to measure human well being with graphs hints to how far we've drifted from our nature

>>11661596
So why would they be unhappy in a society where poverty and crime are going down while living standards are going up?

>>11661657
>living standards are going up
for the rich

>>11661628
>longer life expectancy
>less starvation
>less absolute poverty
>more ways for people to access information
>less war
>more democracy
>less autocracy
>less crime
>less slavery
>less cruel and unusual punishment

Yes, truly the world is going to hell in a hand basket

>what does /lit/ think.
Don't think, just do.

>>11661657
My conjecture, especially for the USA, is increased social isolation, decreased investment in community and day to day life. We tend to interact with our world in more abstract ways which technology facilitates, I believe this to be a source of unhappiness.

>>11661657
>So why would they be unhappy in a society where poverty and crime are going down while living standards are going up?
I don't know, why are anti-depressants in such high demand where living standards are highest? Could it be that luxury does not equate to happiness?

>>11661690
This is the other reason why I detest the technocratic outlook. There is literally no rebuttal to the above argument except "well people should be happy."

That's completely fucking meaningless and putting the cart before the horse. If those things are not helping people be happier, maybe they're not actually important to the discussion we're trying to have. Maybe, just maybe, it represents a persistent deflection and toadying for the status quo.

>>11661466

>oil running out
>energy costs increasing
>energy crises on the near horizon
>niggers breeding like rabbits
>automation and global integration crowding out the global market for low skilled work and depressing wages
>international dysgenic breeding patterns
>Islam growing like an out of control cancerous tumour world wide
>Western democracies literally collapsing socially and everybody knows it
>Western country's governments all in large amounts of debt
>civil wars in the West are possible/likely within 30 years
>China gearing up for an imperial age as America loses it's intl. power, already squeezing in on it's neighbours land/naval territory and prepping Africa for large scale colonization
>South Africa about to push white-black racial tensions worldwide to a boiling point
>millenials are split politically between far left and far right, about ready to start murdering each other as soon as their baby boomer baby sitters pass

But don't worry, because of increased aid money from the UN and Bill Gates some niggers in Africa are now living off of 37 cents a week instead of 24 cents a week and we're reducing incidents of Malaria so their population can boom even faster. Yay!

>>11661690
>>longer life expectancy
>>less starvation
>>less absolute poverty
>>more ways for people to access information
>>less war
>>more democracy
>>less autocracy
>>less crime
>>less slavery
>>less cruel and unusual punishment
cringe and bluepilled. every one of those is wrong except less starvation, "absolute poverty"and more ways to access info.

>>11661735
You are simply uninformed if you think life expectancy is declining, or that there is an increase in war (wartime deaths specifically), or that democracy is declining and autocracy is increasing, or that slavery is increasing, or that there is a rise in crime or cruel and unusual punishment.
>>11661713
which is better, to starve to death, or to live and be unhappy? to die young in war, or to live to old age and feel unfulfilled? perhaps it is simply my own bias, but life is the only location in which hope can be found. therefore these metrics are a good thing.

>>11661690
>longer life expectancy
The life expectancy of whites in the US has been going down (thanks Obamacare)
>less starvation
Less starving niggers=more niggers for our childern to deal with=more democratic land grabs a la South Africa and more violence, rapes, kidnappings, etc. of innocent whites
>less absolute poverty
For niggers.
>more ways for people to access information
This is legitimately a huge boon I'll give you that.
>less war
War might be necessary for eugenics. I'm not entirely convinced war is a bad thing.
>more democracy
Disgusting.
>less autocracy
Disgusting.
>less crime
Wrong.
>less slavery
Probably right but the trend on this could be reversing in very modern times.
>less cruel and unusual punishment
We've gone soft on criminals and that's a major cause of our social woes; eg liberal protesters burning down towns.

>>11661690
>the 50 richest people have more than the bottom 5 billion
The bottom 5 billion may not be eating each other but it's not fair for people to be rich, sadface

>>11661013
>Clinical Psychology:
>Jung
>Jung
>Jung
>Jung
>Jung
>Freud

>>11661756
>You are simply uninformed

>>11661756
That's an unreasonable dichotomy. While fascists may pine for gaining meaning in life through violence and a stripping away of civilized life, that is not my point. My point, fundamentally, is that bringing up these metrics is a non sequitur, that there are ways we could be happier. It's not that there must be a tradeoff.

That being said, let's say there is a tradeoff. I would choose a happy and short life over a long and miserable one, no question. I think most people would agree, especially at the extremes.

I only checked the literature list because I don't care about the rest and "limited" is a good description.
1/10 tell the instawhore daughter to clean the library.

>>11661758
>Obamacare
the policy drafted by a right wing think tank?
>war might be good
if you think war is good you are completely debased, learn more history
>but da blackies!
more wealth = lower birth rates. the more of Africa that is lifted out of poverty, the lower the birth rates of blacks will be. you should be happy
>democracy is disgusting
again, learn some history. democracy is miles better than any other system ever tried
>crime
it has been massively declining
>soft on criminals
harsher punishments DO NOT correspond to lower crime rates. you are simply wrong

>>11661756
>or that democracy is declining and autocracy is increasing
This is very true, with control over economic policies shifting into the hands of private business, the rise of state capitalism, populism, transnational corporations/trade agreements, IFOs and all. Globally, democracy had been on the way out since the 80's. The rise of liberal democracy was a boom-bust hockey stick kind of trend, like our fisheries, now it's clear democracy is on the way out and capitalism isn't going anywhere. It gets worse every day just like pretty much everything else.

>>11661789
>democracy is miles better than any other system ever tried

>>11661790
>Hockey stick
Ignore this, the term "hockey stick" was just salient. I didn't actually think about it

>>11661790
We're fucked, we really are. No wonder fascism is growing in popularity, too, we have a choice between the guy who says "This is the best the world has to offer." and the guy who says "This is the best the world has to offer, but niggers ruined it."

>>11661789

>the policy drafted by a right wing think tank?
Neocons are not right winged.
>if you think war is good you are completely debased, learn more history
There's no question that they're sometimes good. The American revolution brought a lot of good. So did the Reconquista.
>more wealth = lower birth rates. the more of Africa that is lifted out of poverty, the lower the birth rates of blacks will be. you should be happy
Yes this is the line fed to conservative boomers over and over and over again to make them ok with sending mass amounts of aid to Africa. But it didn't work. Their birth rates are still gigantic and at this point there's no way it's ever dropping below 2 kids per woman.
>again, learn some history. democracy is miles better than any other system ever tried
A very popular opinion that is never defended with proof.
>it has been massively declining
It's being swept under the rug.
>harsher punishments DO NOT correspond to lower crime rates. you are simply wrong
There's a difference between correlation and causation. In this case there is proven causation (it's in the academic literature for criminologists) but the correlation isn't as pronounced because areas with bad crime tend to increase legal punishments to try and reduce the crime, therefore creating a correlation between high crime and high punishments. However the causal link of harsher punishments resulting is in less crime has been well established and articulated. Not to mention it being incredibly obvious from a logical standpoint.

>>11661820
>Neocons are not right winged.
Private property, nationalism, hobbesian attitude, anti-democratic tendency
Sorry snowflake, neocons are clearly right wing, not even moderate by any sane standard.
>with sending mass amounts of aid to Africa.
You have no idea how foreign aid works and where that money goes. Population booms in Africa are mainly caused by privatization and subsequent trade(with many other conditions such as resources and infastructure)these are enginereed mostly by state power, IFOs, and transnationals, with the actual agency of the population being manipulated and repressed. Most aid has gone to guns or warlords, with the actual humanitarian aid being used to control the messes that makes.
>There's a difference between correlation and causation.
Dropped. Wait until you get out of your diapers before becoming a political extremist.

>>11661756
>or that there is an increase in war (wartime deaths specifically)

this is pure technocratic reductivism at its finest. human life is considered a binary statistic. wartime deaths are down, yet war continues, and this is somehow 'progress,' entirely disregarding the millions displaced, their home countries destroyed, their livelihoods ruined, all in the name of a military industrial complex that isn't even economically pragmatic anymore.

no, collateral-civilian-deaths-per-capita are down and that's a good thing! (and an implicit endorsement of war)

>>11661859

>neocons
>private property
>nationalism
>anti-democratic

Yikes.

>>11661106
Lel

>>11661859
Is there any other kind of nazi, though?

>>11661022
He said before he used to bench 2pl8s

>>11662002
Hard to believe

>>11661700
And why is social isolation increasing?

>>11661013
Oh god it's shit, worse than expected.

>>11661013
I want to lick her legs.

>>11662162
I'll just take licking the inner thighs.

It is unfair to compare American output in literature and philosophy with Europe. Our country is far younger yet still we have our Whitman, Dickinson, Melville, Emerson, Brothers James, Hart Crane, and Pynchon, et al.

>>11662171
Considering how young America is as a Western country its output is pretty impressive. Compare it to Canada and Australia, which have fuck-all for great poetry and fiction.

>>11661409
>They have literally nothing you could define "American".
They are Americans who wrote poetry. Therefore, they are American poets. What are you implying? Artists are supposed to be nationalist cheerleaders or conforming to some cultural tradition otherwise they "don't count"?

>overall it's not a poetic tradition I would compare to the ones of France, Italy and Spain.
Only if you include poets that existed before America was even a country. I'm no flag waver, but the "America has no culture, bro" meme is retarded. How many countries can claim a work of literature on par with Moby-Dick?

>>11662038
t. onions

Any man can bench two plates with two years AT MOST of consistent training

>>11661075
>unironically saying cuck
>unironically saying sage
How's your first week?

>>11662170
Patrician response

>>11661690
>>more democracy
Lel

>>11662162
>>11662170
Why not both.png

>>11661763
This proves JP doesn't actually know anything, he's just spouting just magic and pseudo-science.

This proves JP doesn't actually know anything, he's just spouting magic and pseudo-science.

Are we really going to take someone that believes in fortune-telling seriously, we might as abandon medicine and have witch doctors.

>>11661735
Starvation is worse too. It's like 10+million a year.

>>11661657
>So why would they be unhappy in a society where poverty and crime are going down while living standards are going up?
Post like these remind me that Star Trek fetishist Redditors literally only need graphic novels and a low tier programming job to fund their Funkopop collection to be satisfied. Not my fault you're an SSRI strung out insect . It is pretty much impossible to explain to you why getting spoonfed from birth to death liberal capitalistic sludge is spiritually and emotionally unsatisfying.

>>11662089
Good book

>>11662379
TS Eliot was described as 'being more British than the Brits'

>>11661064
From what uncivilized bastion do you hail from to be unaware of the commoness of noshow/ankle socks

>>11662453
You sound like a brainless retard. Clean your room bucko.

>>11661013

She’s holding in a fart. Am i the only one that sees that?

>>11661762
Then again, what's your fair share of what someone else has worked for?

>>11661013
>ywn rip off her shoes and socks and throw them on the roof, forcing her to walk home barefoot and humiliated

>Theodore Dalrymple
I don't want to be associated with Jordan Peterson faggots, so I'm telling you now, do not read anything by this man.

>>11662379
Eliot was more British than American, and in fact he spent his life in England rather than in the US. Pound was by evicted by his own country and decided to live the rest of his days in London, Paris and Italy. Nothing you should be proud of.

I'm not saying America has no culture, you pathetic nationalist crybaby. American novels are great. But believing the American 20th century was better than others is simply retarded. The countries I've mentioned in the previous post are undoubtedly on par when it comes to poetry. And... yes, they also have a few novels not far from Moby Dick for quality.

>>11663523
don't remind me plz

>>11661054
how do i get a bod like that goddayum

>>11663801
Rape increases testosterone to normal historic levels and makes your body able to become ripped as fuck. Weight lifting is 4000% more effective in general, and things like gyno disappear completely and you become progressively more statuesque. Most men looked like that for most of history

You only need 2-3 rapes under your belt (lifetime number) to get up to normal levels. Historically most men achieved that number by age 20 and then became family men.

>>11661013
Why is there so much Jung? Why are there so many Ameritards?

Other than that it's really not too bad

>>11661762
>the 50 richest people have more than the bottom 5 billion
Now THAT is bluepilled as fuck. Top 1 richest family has more than the rest of the planet combined, because in the era of FIAT money central bankers have infinite wealth. There is no comparison between infinity and real numbers.

>>11661013

>Dostoevesky

Lel. Doestoeveskeye.

Good to see Stendhal on there, unexpected. I suppose Jordan got a boner for him after reading Nietzsche laud him. No harm in that, it just explains why it seems like the odd one out in a list of mostly mediocre Americans. His taste in philosophical works, of course, is beyond horrible, which is unsurprising, as he is incapable of reading philosophy (his appropriation of Being from Heidegger being perhaps the most cringey example. His use of Rousseau is likewise something you should fail an undergrad in an introductory course for).

But yeah, everyone should read Stendhal. It's sort of a Flaubert meets Dumas, very worthwhile.

>>11661064
At /fitlit/ duh

>>11661013
>Island by Huxley

I always knew Peterson was a cuck. Then again, he probably hasn't read most of these books.

>>11663920
damn, who is this guy

>>11661054
>too much 20th century literature
>where's borges?

>>11661013
>The State of the World: A 21st Century Update
I would literally pay money to see one of his more red pilled followers review this part of the list.

>>11661762
The bottom 5 billion are a drag on humanity.

>>11663801
GOMAD

>>11664284
>GOMAD

>>11661324
>What are you talking about? American novels are some of the best in the world.

Are you pretending to be an absolutely retarded, uncultured swine?

>>11661596
You've got a point, honestly.

But you're somewhat playing ignorant to the difficulties of pre-modern life. A days work 200 years ago on your average farm would literally kill a modern person. Even 100 years ago, children were routinely used as industrial tools in the West. We have come a long way, as a culture, the West, in truly slaying these inner demons which compelled us to create so much suffering.

>>11664381
>A days work 200 years ago on your average farm would literally kill a modern person.

uhh, proofs?

>>11661596
You're making a straw man out of the other position though. Pinker and others do address human flourishing in the context of social relationships and having a sense of purpose. The graphs are to show that something's are objectively improving to stop the catastophizing of civilization is about to collapse because recent economic shifts have cause a lot of the lower class great misfortune.

>come check in on /lit/ after being away for months
>there are still multiple Peterson threads on the front page
The kids really did kill this place for good, eh?

>>11663028
>muh spirits
>nuh emotions

Not an argument.

>>11664424
Leave again NIGGER.

>>11664429
Been leaving since the day this board was created
Funny how it always somehow manages to get worse. You kids are by far the worst it's seen though

>>11664434
Fucking this

>>11661466
i think there are a few important things to point out here:
>these graphs are incapable of pitching the full story
>they rarely assuage the real doubts and fears people have (who cares about GDP growth if it's all going to the upper class?)
>macroscopic to a fault
>comes off as resting on your laurels (look, everything's going up, so we just have to sit back and follow our trajectory!)
>usually don't include our most dangerous trends or don't contextualize the trends properly (sure, we have more green energy now than ever before, but is it good enough with even the most optimistic growth patterns? probably not)

>>11664429
edgy!

>>11661021
fpbp

>>11661013
>Island
Dreadlock-tier

>The will to power
>BGE
>geaneology
Wholly unsurprised that this is the entirity of philosophy reading list. Fucking pleb.

>lots of Jung
Ugh...

>Pinker
kek

>Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance
lolwut

Somehow even shitter than I thought it was going to be

Nice Chandler, but where's the Pynch?

>>11663523
What socks?

>>11661758
Life expectancy has declined in the US for the past three years because of opiates and guns, not Obamacare, you Trumptard.

>>11661410
Day of the Rake when?

>>11662204
yeah it's not like the relative population size has to do with it or anything...

>>11661013
>"excuse me m'lady"
>tips coffee

>>11661166
>Omg look at me Im reading a book a the library with my Sterbuccs coffee
Instagram vapid whore, anon

>>11661013
>Viktor Frankl
Please don't.

It's strange that he put Beyond Good and Evil, because this books is so antithetical to Peterson

>>11661013
>https://jordanbpeterson.com/reading-list/great-books/

Good list

>>11661149
>>11661128
Actually they are called pinkies

>>11663002
they're not mutually exclusive

what does /lit/ think of the mark manson curriculum?

https://markmanson.net/book-recommendations

>>11663801
don't eat