/lit/ - Literature

>>11654617
>le anime girl
no one cares about your opinion, creepy fuck

>>11654617
Not even the best poets could beautify the setting of the mass (just as an example; feel free to replace it with other concrete example) to the extent that music does.

2. To the extent that literature can be said to approximate the sublime, it is approximating the divine by proxy, through music: in poetry.

>>11654638
cuck

3. Prose is nothing but a degeneration of poetry, a vehicle for the incontinent and the limited, those who can't find the inspiration to express themselves in only as many words as necessary, and not one iota more.

>>11654617
>>11654638
But can music relate clear ideas? Or just feelings?

4. The written word is in turn a mortification of the spoken word, sound debased and trimmed of its ambient, meaning-enriching qualities, until nothing but a scrawny skeleton remains.

>>11654617
Dumb anime poster. You're right though.

>>11654657
Not all prose is maximalist trash.

>>11654659
Ideas themselves are just more precise feelings, so why the fuck not. To a point at least. Arguing against capitalism with sound sounds tricky.

>>11654680
How are ideas feelings? A feeling is a subjective experience and an idea is not.

5. In fact, literature in its purest form is nothing but the end result of a repeated entombment of meaning, death itself. This is why so many literature producers and aficionados (if one can even be called that) are a bunch of nihilistic drunks.

>>11654692
How do you know most literature producers and aficionados are drunks? Is this provable or an absurd claim?

>>11654617
The greatest pieces of literature will forever be from the past because if you wanted to get your opinion heard you had to make/ do something noteworthy. Now you can just post your opinion on twitter without trying to make something worthwhile to deliver it.

>>11654698
The proof is left as an exercise for the reader.
Hint: look around you (start by looking in the mirror).

Music is largely mere intoxication, and the most accessible of the arts. People listen to music the same way they do drugs, for the same reason and with the same reaction.

It comes as no surprise that music is the medium of choice for the lowest common denominator, alongside movies.

>>11654617
t. Johannes

>>11654711
I can't look around and take note of most producers of literature. An extensive study would need to be done otherwise it's just anecdotal. And although it would be nice if I could produce literature, I doubt I will become a drunk regardless.

>>11654712
You're mistaking the hole you've dug for yourself with the peak of a mountain my dear anonymous interlocutor. Sometimes things are not just a matter of perspective. You really are being buried alive.

All life celebrates music: from plants to the keenest human genius.

>>11654736
Those are some very lovely unfounded claims relating to nothing of substance.

>>11654688
All experiences are subjective, an idea just expresses the combination of multiple ones.

>>11654700
Bullshit. Just like in the past, you have to sell it if you want it to reach more than a few people. Or if you happen to know a publisher, you can spread generic shit.

>>11654736
>>11654748
Yeah, it'd be nice to have some substance otherwise this thread is just more pseud posting on seaboard of pseuds.

>>11654762
Ideas in themselves are not subjective. They're a set of propositions, maybe with a conclusion, which is not subjective in itself. People may interpret the idea slightly differently, though for the most part it is relatable and is why we can have conversations.

>>11654748
These "claims" are founded in the very ground of being.

>>11654617
>1. Anime is the superior conduit for creativity

Fixed it for you

>>11654762
>All experiences are subjective, an idea just expresses the combination of multiple ones.

Literature has been irrelevant since the invention of the movie camera. The century has been the slow, pathetic, decay of an obsolete art form.

By the turn of the next century even High School English classes will be assigning movies and video games to kids instead of books.

Poetry and prose are music since they are heard.

Listen to the "et incarnatus est" (32m50s in). _That_, right there, is the Word (re-)made Flesh!

TO HELL WITH LITERATURE!

>>11654806
Poetry and prose use language though and music doesn't. Language relates things in a specific way that music cannot.

>>11654617
>conduit
and yet without letters all that noise remains ironically dumb-
answer in a little musical phrase, if youd like-

>>11654797
The literate have always been a minority, so don't worry, even if braindead idiots like you prefer vidyagames, actually intelligent people will continue to read.

>>11654826
Language relates nothing but a string of corpses with each other.

>>11654841
Nothing of substance said.

>>11654648
>sublime...divine
make up your mind

>>11654777
>>11654841
You could at least put an effort into these pitiful attempts at aphorism if they're going to be the only way you communicate in the thread of your own making.

>>11654835
Listen:

if hip hop has both language and music, than does that make it the highest of all arts?

>>11654771
>Ideas in themselves are not subjective.
If you want to be overly anal about this, I guess. Though in the end an idea needs to be expressed and the expression interpreted to "exist".

>maybe with a conclusion
>MAYBE
Woah, almost as if ...

>though for the most part it is relatable and is why we can have conversations
Based on somewhat common upbringing (aka. values, language, etc) that teaches us to see things in a generally agreed upon way, which leads to us interpreting information in a relatively predictable way. And there are still ridiculous amounts of misunderstandings and contrasting interpretations. The whole fucking board is full of them.

>>11654797
Movies and lit are only remotely similar.
And vidya is multiple decades away from fulfilling its potential.

>>11654857
>what is a distinction without a difference
Yet another failure of language!

>>11654865
Most songs have language, you utter moron. Did you even think before making this post?

>>11654865
It's one of the highest but language and music together hinder each other. It's crude. And so are hip hop beats.

>>11654865
No, it makes it a denatured, ailing, diseased form of music.

>>11654873
It's your failure, actually.

Has this entire thread perhaps been a sad attempt at redirecting the blame to the tool rather than its incompetent wielder?

>>11654670
Therefore, this applies to musical scores as well. The implication is that spontaneity is superior to thoughtfulness in BOTH music and language. This, though I suppose moot, strikes me as all but indefensibly false.

>>11654886
You poor fool! You still think you can dig yourself out of a hole...

>>11654692
This is gibberish.

>>11654889
Musical scores are not music.

>ah yes, music. Beethoven, Bach, Mozart. The list could go on

>>11654892
There we go. I'll take your incessant repetition of the same tired, inapplicable, unimaginative metaphors as an admission that you are simply a very poor manipulator of words.

6. Any man that reads a play instead of experiencing it on the stage stabs himself with a rusted knife with each turn of page. Theatre is liturgy -- the Word brought back to life.

>>11654926
This is actually true

>>11654902
They preserve the music of musicians, however. AND are only legible to skillful practitioners. See the second part of Shelley's To Jane, With Guitar..

>>11654921
>terminal brain rot
Come back to life anon!
It shouldn't end like this!

>>11654926
Do (you) suggest NOT reading a libretto before experiencing an opera. Human beings are equipped to do both, and all. Ultimately (you) not only counsel ignorance but revel in it.

How can you speak of the superiority of music if you proceed to link one of Beethoven masterpiece on fucking youtube. Music is also supposed to be listened, seen, and felt live, you plebian.

>>11654969
Was punpun in the wrong here?

ITT: animeposter BTFOs the entirety of /lit/

>>11654980
All in due time. If you expose the poor anons who have lived in a cave all their life to the clearest light at once they might go blind. You have to ease your subject into it. To heal the blind man, Christ covered his eyes with mud.

Short stories are the superior form of literature. Long works are filled with redundant garbage.

>>11655008
Wasn't that done in prose? And--
Might it not have been more divinely effected with a violin?

>>11654969
Punpun was mediocre sentimentality with no substance, just like your posts.

Am I supposed to be Aiko's corpse there? Her death had more dignity than Punpun's prolonged agony, so it's interesting you put yourself in his shoes as if to insult me.

>>11654974
I burn the libretto in a pot and spit in its ashes before going to any opera. The fumes are pleasing to God. The ashes are for the maggots in Hell to feed on. My spit is there to remind them of living bliss and its inaccessibility from beyond the Vale

>>11655034
I love you anon. Seeing you lost in that bog fills me with sadness.

>>11655039
After reading it? Else.. why in your possession to begin with? Or,
Vale back..

>>11655049
Sorry, it isn't mutual. I'm indifferent to you.

>>11655056
I know... ! Such is the tragedy of life.
It spreads love everywhere, only to be met with indifference everywhere.

>>11655055
Librettos are not meant to be read.

>>11655072
Beware lest becoming cynical, anon. [We] struggle.

The time is nearing to release the seal from the 7th truth.
Sound the trumpets!

>>11655086
Theyre helpful. Though I don't speak Italian I hear it fairly well now. So there's that too. Don't require them for the German but sometimes scan through them anyway. This can be no big deal. Or can it!

7. Shove the Word back inside the Womb! Lift your eyes from the page! Turn away from the screen! Hum, whistle, and sing!

>>11655151
But how do I then repl

>>11655202
The Read-Evaluate-Print Loop must be terminated.

>>11654869
Language is not some kind of enigma. Two peoples who have never met before have come together, learned each others languages and traded, allied, etc. Ideas aren't impeded by language or culture in any unsurpassable way. People from different places and ways have and do cooperate using language to create complex things. Using language.

>>11655411
>enframing the living shit out of it
Yikes! And then they cry about capitalism...

>http://anthropoetics.ucla.edu/ap0202/plato/
>...
>On the Prince of Lies

>>11654790
Came here to post this.