/lit/ - Literature

Thank God.

>>11654433
>it's a twitter screencap thread
fuck off

>>11654433
That's actually pretty funny

I think humanities programs will still exist in the future, but only at elite schools as a luxury for upper middle and upper classes

>>11654441
Here you go, brainlet.

https://www.chronicle.com/article/U-of-Akron-Will-Phase-Out-80/244293

fucking millenials and sjws!!!!! REEEEEEEE

>>11654433
hey hey what did history do wrong

>>11654433
>and that's a good thing
STEM BTFOs the humanities at every turn. Should have happened a long time ago, could of had Mars colonies long ago.

>>11654440
This. FPBP.

>U of Akron
Literally who?

>>11654554
The first and last history class I took was just about how much grander and more humane China was than Europe. History is nothing more now than an outlet for leftists to vent the hatred they feel for their own society.

>>11654556
>could of

Let's be real...what's the ROI on a humanities degree this days?

>>11654597
These*

I majored in creative writing but I'm literally filthy rich (have a trust fund from my dad), so I'm LOLing hard @ middle class retards who think they can afford to take humanities majors

Arrogance writ large.

>>11654433
>literal third world city

>>11654433
https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/06/heres-how-higher-education-dies/561995/

Related

>>11654667
write something good faggot.

>>11654568
Really? What country are you from?

rye's up gamer's

>>11654563
the Zips homey

>>11654433
Good. Humanities garbage has been holding back STEM for far too long

>>11654667
>I'm glad I didn't waste my entire inheritance on my education, otherwise I'd be screwed!
LOL

>>11654433
It’d be better to see the end of Ohio in my lifetime tbqh

Objectively the most useless “place” in North America, arguably the world.

>>11654556
>Mars colonies long ago.
Is this bait? We could barely have a functioning moon colony in at least 100 years.

>>11654514
>not archived
absolutely sweetie
https://web.archive.org/web/20180820203133/https://www.chronicle.com/article/U-of-Akron-Will-Phase-Out-80/244293

>>11654739
>Unbridled technological advancement with no moral compass
Humanities have their place

>>11654751
Ohio is the Germany of America, a cultural blackhole that should have been destroyed a long time ago

>>11654751
>>11654821
Is it really that bad?

>>11654821
The only purpose it serves is providing cheap education to young people who, if they aren’t retarded, will inevitably leave.
>t. brain drainer

Reminder that STEMfags are good at building things and crunching numbers but totally lack vision. Every "visionary" scientist or mathematician has had extensive interests outside of STEM. They're all followers, not leaders.

>>11654433
it needed to happen. the humanities were ruined, and there is no point in studying them at the modern university.

>>11654801
Morality is rooted in our evolution and can be derived scientifically

>>11654433
On the wiki page it says that it's a "STEM-focused" university, so it probably didn't have much enrolment in arts programs in the first place. These days the pressure to get a degree is so high that unless there's a student loan crash, which currently isn't too likely, the demand for shitty humanities degrees by students who did okay in highschool but feel the "need" to get a degree since everyone has one and no one will hire you if you don't is probably only going to go up.

>>11654828
nah man it’s awesome. really beautiful and culturally enriching

>>11654843
>stemfags are the real brainlets
at last I truly see

>>11654860
Are you being sarcastic coz the skyline is ugly and stale.

>>11654556
Why would we even want a Mars Colony? Like, what is even the point? How does it help humanity? Why not spend the money to make things better for us down here?

>>11654828
It’s worse

>>11654667
How much do you get per quarter/year?

>>11654868
I am being extremely, extremely sarcastic.

>>11654866
It's unironically true. A great poet is smarter than a great mathematician.

>>11654879
>Why would we even want a colony in the New World? Like, what is even the point? How does it help humanity? Why not spend the money to make things better for us over here?

>>11654751
greatest decision of my life was to get out of there
frightening to think that i almost went to ohio state

>>11654896
Except the New World had untold riches and gold that immediately helped out the Empires. It also cost nowhere near as much to get over to the New World than it costs to get to Mars. How retarded are you?

>>11654896
>Colonizing the New World resulted in mass genocide and slavery, several wars, and humanitarian issues that still continue to this day hundreds of years after initial colonization.
>But it's ok 'cuz 'Merica!

>>11654854
looks like ya gotta go back to /r/eddit buckoo

>>11654925
not committing genocide is holding STEM fields back

>>11654911
I think it’s OK to go to school there because it’s cheap and has good unis. But to stay there through adulthood? Now THATS embarrassing.

>>11654896
It is not even as easy or even profitable to travel yet alone colonize Mars

>>11654433
Eventually, the only thing left will be humanities. STEM jobs are better done by computers, but humanities jobs are not.

>>11654751
Mississippi is far more useless
It's a third world country at this point

>>11654947
I knew a lady who went back to Ohio. I stills don’t know how she justified it.

>>11654879
>what use is there for the endless riches of space

>>11654966
Mississippi is a shithole but at least it has character. Ohio is a shithole with no redeeming qualities.

Humanities are not the problem. Fucking retards are the problem. Not everyone should go to the uni, but since it is required in order to acquire any kind of white collar job, now fucking everyone and their brother needs to go.

>>11654977
some people just have no interest in living a fulfilling life. I get it. Sometimes I think I want to quit everything, drop all my goals, and go live in some disgusting cardboard cutout of a house in rural Ohio.

>>11654925
>Colonizing the New World resulted in mass genocide and slavery several wars, and humanitarian issues
all this shit was going on before colonization

>>11654947
my entire family went to ohio state and settled down around columbus, that entire state can get fucked

The problem are not humanities per se, the problem is education.

>>11654993
Uni is not a place for learning, it is where you go to buy proof that you can sit for 8 hours a day and stay somewhat alert.

>>11654999
THATS THE WHOLE POINT. Why colonize a new planet when we can't even fix the real problems we face every day?

>>11655006
wow so edgy

>>11654433
Good
Less History PhDs means a higher chance for me to get to teach in a Uni

>>11655013
Shouldn't you be paying attention to your lecture instead of browsing 4chan?

>>11654433

>thinking that the actions of for-profit vulgar american corporations will be copied by proud European institutions, some of which will have been active for more than a millennium within this century

This isn't even meant as bait, though it will surely be taken as such by butthurt amerifriends.

>>11655010
So we shouldn't do anything until we've fixed everything?

>>11655023
How would colonizing a new planet help our situation in any way?

>>11655020
No, because i’m an adult. and i’m laughing at how retarded you sound complaining about college being comparable to working a desk job. working a desk job is so uninaginably worse, and the two have nothing in common. In fact, being educated makes being a wagie that much worse.
Stop crying like a bitch. go walk around campus and have lunch with your friends on the quad

>>11654696
Canada.

>>11655024
It would be fun.

>>11654801
Oh yes, the fabled morality of leftist college professors and students.

>>11655031
That's enough grandpa, you're misunderstanding people again.

>>11655038
Makes sense, you guys being a Chinese colony and all.

>>11654978
What's been our ROI on space at the moment?

>>11655051
>3raoc1m3go811.png
what the hell formats filenames like this

>>11655057
clever deflection zoomer

>>11654433
That is based.

>>11655031
Oh I see, you either did not go to uni, or you studied humanities and got a job that had nothing at all to do with your education. If you look at career programs or STEM focused courses you see a HUGE similarity between the courses and what their future work will be like (coders, accountants, even graphic designers, etc.). In fact pretty much everyone who goes down these paths of education end up as "wagies" because that is the only realistic way of applying those talents since the companies that employ them certainly don't find these people off the streetside.

>>11655062
>he tried to save them

>>11655031
>>11655057
The sexual tension between you two is off the charts

>>11654433
Based and redpilled

>>11655031
Oh yes. I worked a desk job. It is really a nightmare. I don't know how people do it. Is the precious money isn't it? Fucking ten hours everyday, as you life drains away, just wasted so the company can reach that goal you really don't give a shit about. University while boring, at least gave me the freedom to engage with some smart people in a context where having nice intelectually stimulating talk was encouraged.

>>11655079
Only 27% of people with college degrees are working in the field they studied

You either are not a working adult or you have an IQ below 100 and are working in a field which reflects that like retail or plumbing

>>11655116
>citation needed

>>11655079
god i hate summer

>>11654433
To be honest just make tuition fees for humanities more expensive so fewer people enroll and the courses pay for themselves. That would take care of most of the problems that people have with the humanities.

>>11654964
What even is a humanities job? Teacher?

>>11654433
Based and redpilled.

>>11654801
had*

Once they embraced post modern power politics, they lost all grounds for arguing morals.

>>11655137
Movie reviewer

>>11655123
This fact would be so overwhelmingly obvious to you if you had ever stepped out of your mom's basement and into a modern workplace that you wouldn't need a fucking citation

Since we both know that will never happen, here's a citation anyways

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/05/20/only-27-percent-of-college-grads-have-a-job-related-to-their-major/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9579be0ffdbb

Please note that this data is now about 5 years old and, if trends have held steady, the 27% figure will be even lower in 2018

>>11655137
Buzzfeed journalist, barista, professional activist, unsuccessful writer, and of course: professor or TA so the cycle can continue

>>11655074
Hell.

>>11655153
community organizer?

>>11655123

>>11655137
Being your intellectual superior and explaining social behaviors to your low EQ brain is emotionally exhausting and counts as a full-time job

>>11654597
(((financial))) return or cultural return

>>11655051

Imagine being so sheltered and historically illiterate that you think two people playing dress up proves objective metaphysical evil.

>>11655051
If you had said objective standards of beauty that maybe you would be right

>>11655183
considering we all need money to live...financial.

>>11654843
any advice on being a renaissance man in 21st century? ive tried quite hard tb(completely)h
but i get the sense that so much has been done that you need to specialise far more and far younger, if you hope to achieve anything today

>>11655195
>Imagine being so sheltered and historically illiterate that you think sexually abusing children in public to satisfy your bizarre and disgusting fetishes with wider society's tacit approval proves objective metaphysical evil

>>11655152
>>11655160
I would say the big issue is WHICH exact degrees/majors these people studied and what they instead went to work for, something that cannot be so easily expressed when just looking at bare data. Understand?

>>11655212
money is necessary to life, pal
but boy oh boy -- it is NOT sufficient

it's like: air is necessary to live. but once I have sufficient air to live, I do not go about maximising the amount of air i can breathe. treat money the same and youll be happier

>>11655219
>bizarre and disgusting fetishes
projection

that's really not what drag queens are. there's nothing sexual about what either of those people are wearing.

are you sexually aroused by? hmmm

>getting rid of Labor Economics to replace it with more students studying video games
The irony is real and it’s here to stay

>>11655246
just good and normal things happening here

>>11655217
go to a good college and realize that your library card is the most valuable thing you own

>>11655246
>muh closet homo

this meme needs to die. gays have been disliked throughout history and im sure not every medieval peasant was waiting to get diddled in the ass on a fishing trip.

>>11655246
Read Plato.

>>11655246
>are you sexually aroused by? hmmm
>If you hate fags you must be a fag
this lazy pseudo-freudian shit needs to die

>>11655256
what about one-on-one contact with world experts? interacting with like-minded people in your field?

and yes -- also the library card. but that's a university resource

>>11655258
Plato’s Laws says faggotry is immoral. That’s a God word

>>11655257
>>11655265
>It's normal to have a violent pathological reaction to things that I have no control over and do not affect me in any way.

>>11655284
>being gay

>The gamers are rising up

WTF do WE DO

>>11655258
i've read plato

>>11655265
no, there's no logical implication to hating fags and being a fag. but if you view say, this image: >>11655254, as a form of sexual fetishisation then id assume that was your own projection. because she's showing less flesh than most people would normally -- and is intentionally almost de-personified.
like, literally wearing a bunch of cones on her head lmao

i'd say it's not because youre a latent homosexual. but rather you see feminine as synonymous with a desire to be sexually attractive.

if you saw a young girl dress stereotypically masculine -- you would not see that as a sexual fetishisation, because you see masculine as non-sexual.

so well done. you're probably just a hetrosexual man with a very boring worldview

>>11655257

But it's not a meme. Scientists put sensors on the dicks of homophobes and non-homophobes and showed fags railing each other to them.

Guess which one of the groups got hard from watching it.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/the-big-questions/201106/homophobic-men-are-aroused-gay-male-porn

>>11655289
>not being gay
this is /lit/
you are never gonna make it

>>11654433
You've got it all wrong. The humanities aren't going to go away, but they're going to evolve in all the wrong ways. The more traditional disciplines are going to be gradually eroded away and replaced with Cultural Studies in all of various iterations. It's just gonna get worse.

>>11655325
No one respects overly feminine or masculine men these days. This isn’t the 00s

>>11655343
>We missed our chance of becoming great like the Ancient Greeks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5mtclwloEQ

>>11655350
fucking hell i want hedonistic dionysionism back!
START FUCKING ORGIES RIGHT NOW

FUCK OFF CHRISTIANS LET ME SHAG AND DO COKE IN PIECE YOU FUCKING CROMWELLIAN VIRGINS AHHH

>>11654556
>could of
Die.

>>11655387
lmao he got it correct just before that. allow it

>>11654556
I know this is bait but I'll post this anyway

https://www.baka.com.au/politics/nsw/stem-has-become-a-buzzword-and-a-fad-nsw-education-minister-20180321-p4z5iw.html

>>11654554
didnt become marketable enough

>>11655246
>there's nothing sexual about men who enjoy being fucked by other men mimicking the behavior and appearance of women and encouraging children to join in

>>11655458
since the 1700's, gay men have dressed more flamboyantly than heterosexuals.
heterosexual men have purposely dressed less "feminine" to demarcate themselves against that.

if you look at the way men dressed before 1700's, heterosexual dressed about as "feminine" as gay men - fine silks, dresses, gowns, floral patterns etc

basically, it's more accurate to say that straight men have tried to look not-gay, than to say gay men have tried to look feminine

>>11655458

>the behavior and appearance of women

You think women look like this >>11655051
>>11655254?

>>11654433
>U of Akron

Why even go to university at this point?

>>11655620
Unless you want to work in some STEM based field where a degree is a requirement, or do scientific research, there is literally no reason whatsoever to go to university. You can find all of the material online and teach yourself at this point, for free.

>>11654433
Here's hoping the humanities becomes better for it. It's been a fucking joke for decades and everyone knows it.

How does someone get money with history or sociology???
You can make more money by develop games

>>11654433
good.
all those humanities profesors will have to work at burger king now. and the sad thing is, that would be more productive than what they currently do.

>>11655732
It's for esports apparently, not developing games. But I'm assuming they'll be doing research too, I hope.

>tfw you will live to see the collapse of bloated, corrupt higher institution learnings

>>11655736
Absolutely not. Science has made little to no strides recently either. The entirety of academia is increasingly departmentalized and shitty as we continue onward.

>>11655740
Yeah, but the ascendancy of our corporate overlords to world domination is nothing to worry about, right?

>tfw you wish to write philosophy but are unsure of what the future holds
>tfw this is the path currently left for you, and all others are out of reach
fuck

>>11655749
>Science has made little to no strides recently
Aren't we 3D printing houses and building medical nanobots now?

>>11655183
[Spoiler]both are negative[/spoiler]

based white people

>>11655024
If you don't understand that giving humanity clear but open-ended goals results in huge advancement, then you have no idea how anything in stem operates.

>>11655492
>gay men have dressed more flamboyantly than heterosexuals
>basically, it's more accurate to say that straight men have tried to look not-gay, than to say gay men have tried to look feminine
Lol a real genius right here

>>11655760
Which is nothing but decadent convenience. It can be said that GMOs are the same kind of convenience that promotes the sin of extravagant gluttony at the price of keeping the foods cancer free.

The amount of scientific indoctrination in public schooling systems is absolutely ridiculous. You are literally looking at a population which is being fascistly controlled by a combination of the public schooling and the media.

>>11655806
>science solves world hunger
>a marxist complains

>>11655806
Which explains a few different things why

A) people only chaotically care about what the majority thinks (this is tyranny by the majority in the worst form)
And
B) it allows agendas to be pushed through 1) the public schooling or 2) he media

>>11654513
As it should be

>>11655812
Marxism is a solution never. State controlling anything is not going to do anything

>>11655806
Exactly what do you consider to be "real scientific achievements" then if 3D printing a house and creating a nanobot to fight viruses are merely decadent convenience?

>>11655796
>gays have dressed more flamboyantly SINCE 1700
you'd think people could read on a literature forum, wouldn't you?

>>11655819
>gommunism = wen gubment dus tings

>>11654554
doesn't make $$$$$

>>11655812
>science solves artificial scarcity
where?

>>11655753
If the free market decides to put full control of world resources in the hands of a small elite, then that'd simply be the most natural state of affairs.

this is one of the most brainlet threads ive seen ever

>>11655844
Without capitalism you would not have enough of food in the first place to make it artificially scarce

>>11655849
Define "natural."

>>11655858
STFU bookcuck

>>11655749
>Science has made little to no strides recently either.
as you post from your smartphone

>>11655866
>goes onto a book board
>calls others bookcucks

The actions of a true dumbass

>>11655830
Making an invention which is only beneficial to glassing more of Earths landscape and deforestation and making humans hypersensitive to bacteria is fucking asanine.

I’ll be honest, I don’t think you have any grasp on reality, these inventions are beneficial for nothing. You have no grasp on what’s happening. The world is dying and you are causing it to die.

The dumbass Kaczinsky fags are just as dumb as you though, technology, much like government, is a necessary evil. But we should solve the societal problems of lust and capricious tempermentality that can only be checked by/leads to Malthusian checks on population growth.

Read a little more, maybe you’ll learn something. Trust me when I say no one is impressed by technology on this board, especially when it comes to medicine because we and Rousseau saw through the scheme: they just want to make money.

I am literally making the argument that saving everyone’s lives is not necessary. Death is a natural pet of life, the less money we spend in that area the better l. Read the Republic

>>11655873
What do you think? Is this better than speaking face to face?

Didn’t think so

>>11655873
Are smartphones the meaning of life?

>>11655833
... yes?

I mean Communism is more than that but.... isn’t that essentially what Communism entails? The government hierarchically controlling more things?

>>11655891
communism is any societal trend that decreases shareholder values

>>11655891
As the Military expands, the people involved in the military constitute a quasi-communist state as well. Hayek understood this well. War and communism go hand in hand.

We can see this starting to happen with the aforementioned influences of A) public schooling and B) the media and C) the actual military themselves

This all happening while we aren’t looking. Time to start paying attention to a slow process that’s taking over

>>11655891
>>11655900
These responses are both me, just so we’re clear
>>11655897
Cute

>>11655878
You were asked to provide examples of authentic scientific achievements since you dismissed two already provided in the thread as not being real achievements, and you go on this autistic, pointless rant that ultimately says fuck all. Wow.

>>11655891
the modern state's origin was to be a enforce the concept of private property
marxists want to abolish private property
i'll let you put two and two together

>>11655909
It actually says a lot more than any sort of specific details or physical traits that define anything at all. As a matter of fact, I don’t think those types of things speak about anything at all. They’re just terms to memorize and lines to speak. Your science is nothing but a dying machine. Death becomes you and you embrace it

>>11655916
See
>>11655900

>>11655930
>>11655916
You understand that Nazism is the end state of Communism right? That Nazism is Communism taken to its logical conclusion

>>11655931
shut the fuck up libtard

>>11655931
Communism is about abolishing private poverty and ending class distinctions.

Nazism is about genociding Jews and spreading the German race as far as possible.

The two are worlds apart.

>>11655947
If I were a liberal I wouldn’t be shit talking communism

>>11655931
ah yes, abolishment of the means of production being in private hands would conclude in privatizing almost every state company and creating a retarded war economy so that that small can make money

>>11655956
Shut up conservative

>>11655960
If I was conservative I wouldn’t be shit talking Nazism

>>11654433
is sociology a good major ?

>>11655958
*small group of people

>>11655951
Wrong.
>>11655958
That post literally doesn’t make any sense at all

>>11655970
not an argument

>>11655956
>liberalism is communism
americans never cease to amaze me with their retardation

>>11655975
Well if you’re talking about the post that said a heavily militarized State is privatized, I’m sorry. The truth is, I do understand it, but everyone is laughing at how retarded he is. Trust me

>>11655970
ofcourse it doesn't make any sense dumbass, i'm pointing out how ridiculous your communism = nazism comment is

>>11655217
read A Confederacy of Dunces and do everything Ignatius does.

>>11655976
Well I’ll stop you and say you’re right. I was simply trying to appeal to his lowbrow rhetoric, by attacking my political stance and making it seem like I lean left or right (which no forward thinking individual should)

>>11655921
All it says is that you're clearly afraid of what science has in store for you, which is most likely obsoletion.

>>11655985
So you agree that anything Militarized is not privatized? That the Military is inherently collective and communistic by its very design?

>>11655992
U mad

hayek is a nigger faggot

>>11655995
What's there to be mad about?

>>11656013
You not having an ability

>>11655992
That’s in store for all of us bucko.

>>11656015
But I have all of the abilities.

Actually happening; paraphrasing, misquoting and forgoing the English language in favor of pure sensationalism

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU FUCK WITH GAMERS VERONICA

>>11655993
the military wasn't the only player during wartime
the profit weapon and munition manufacturers made from the wars were a great part of the economy of nazi germany, which is one of the main reasons for the german warmachine

>>11656021
;)

>>11656024
War is a profit machine. You saying the government profited from War does not affect the statement that Nazi Germany is inherently Communist.

what kind of false-flag even is this holy fu*k man

>>11654433
This is a bigger threat to western culture than amount amount of demographic change or black versions of things.

>>11655492
>before 1700, men wore dresses
how about we take a trip to >>>/his/, because john green doesn't seem to be cutting it in this particular area.

>>11656041
The point of all this is simple: you shouldn’t align yourself with political leanings otherwise you ascribe to a predetermined ideology. I have successfully fucked your mind by being radically centrist and that is just sad.

Modern politics is another way the public is indoctrinated into a struggle and you’re proof. The only righteous struggle is good vs. evil

>>11656079
>radically centrist
>all militaries are communist
sure . . . . .

>>11656105
I mean that’s not really a side. You can’t say I’m picking a side there. Go ahead and explain what side I’m picking and why. I’m waiting

>>11655993
>having a military means you're communist!

>>11656134
That’s not an argument

>>11654799
what's the point of archiving something like this? It's not gonna change in the duration of the thread, and who the fuck cares about giving clicks to some tiny niche website?

>>11656157
Are you legitimately arguing that polities like the Roman Empire, British Empire, Mongol Empire, Han Empire, or French Empire were communistic in outlook?

>>11656186
Are you saying that those societies did not have a government, who did things?

>>11656223
Governments that allowed slave ownership, enforced class hierarchies, waged wars of imperial conquest and violently put down commoner uprisings? Sure.

>>11654828
Columbus is nice

>>11655051
Are both of them Human or are they both dolls of some kind?

>>11655256
This is mostly true.

I'd say also reach out to faculty engaged in research you're interested in.

>>11654433
I'm really not surprised so many people here are cheering this on since 4chan is a white nationalist outpost, and white nationalists hate history, art, and philosophy since they can't meaningfully engage with any one of them, it's still quite sad.

One day only trust-fund kiddies will be able to get an intellectually enriching education, the poors will get to be glorified plumbers.

>>11654433
Powerful.

Most intelligent people don't study the humanities now anyway. Every person I know who studies English at university are above average, but not particularly smart. I went to one of the top boys' schools where I live and not a single person who was allowed to study English Literature went on to study the humanities. Everyone is studying law, engineering, commerce, medicine or physiotherapy.

I know that's just my personal experience, but I'd be surprised if it was different elsewhere in the West.

>>11656234
Class hierarchies are inherently communistic.

Communism is just another way to have an Aristocracy governing society. That’s all it is. Karl Marx misunderstood reality and how power functions in the real world. He just needed a reality check to get his head straightened out.

So history villifies and corroborates my arguments.

>>11654925
I don't think there's natives on Mars mate

>>11654879
Are you even North European? We go to Mars to transcend limits, every Faustian Soul instinctively understands the value of this.

>>11656295
.. What do you define as "communism?"

>>11654993
It's ridiculous how things have changed in the last few years. My uncle drove across Australia at 17, showed up at the Tax Office and got a job the next day. That same job is now being filled by university graduates.

>>11656307
This isn’t your standard 4chan debate kid. There shouldn’t even be ‘standard debates’ in the first place. If I am ever in a discussion and I hear a line I’ve heard before in an attempt to appear intelligent and refined I know that I’m in a bad discussion. Quit it with those platitudes.

What I mean by Communism is the Communism Marx defines in the Communist Manifesto. There. Respond to that.

>>11656291
>law, engineering, commerce
brainlet tier wagecuck slave jobs

>>11656326
>Communism Marx defines in the Communist Manifesto
So a social system that explicitly rejects class hierarchies and private property is synonymous with other systems that affirm class hierarchies and private property, because both have the commonality of possessing a military? I'm not even talking about communism-in-practice here, I'm talking about the pure sociological underpinnings of communism.

>>11656291
That's very far from my own experience. People involved in engineering may be math whizzes, but lack the creative spark to usually be inventive in any capacity. Most of them are good at juggling math equations, not conceptually understanding mathematics.

Law, medicine, and physiotherapy were the preferred areas of study for the children of rich parents: they had typically learned how to grind out good work (especially in an environment of grade inflation) but they were absolute brainlets.

Commerce was either studied by absolute brainlets with the only redeeming members being people who were conceptually good at math.

Best majors were in biological, chemical, or physical sciences (on the off chance that they weren't yet another pre-med drone) and maths if we're talking STEM or philosophy and history in the humanities.

>>11656351
Read this post
>>11656295

I have read The Communist Manifesto. I was in college too.

It doesn’t make any sense. That’s the problem. He was unacquainted with reality and the nature of resources and work. Marx’s Time Units cannot be accurately defined due to the socio-psychological implications of wage negotiations.

>>11656365
I literally don't know how you got from "communism doesn't work because it ignores social realities" to "militaries are communistic."

>>11656365
>socio-psychological implications of wage negotiations

You’re gonna have to explain that.

>>11656408
It’s simple to explain but difficult. You know the incomparibility of utility values for an indifference curve as defined by the Lausanne school of economics? Well these utility values approach a slope of zero as you reach combinations, which expressed as a partial derivative of a function of all economic utilities derived from a good added to all others equals zero.

As such, in the hyperspace of a utility function, unlike Von Neumann, Pareto could express producers willingness to change and pet with economic gains for advantages in the sphere of other gains.

Simply put, this is how negotiations work: if the parties consolidating control of the determination of wages for the individuals have more power than the individuals, then the individuals don’t excercise the same level of input, or slope change, in their axis of the hyperspace of utility for the utility function concerning wage changes, and their partial differential of the function is much less represented in the functions of all other utilities, as a result, their benefits are small, and their costs great, due to the line which is tangent to the quasi- symmetrical utility/cost of production 4-d (or higher) forms.

Their interests are maximized by acting in unions or together in socialism.

Ultimately people misunderestimate what socialism really is. It’s simply a way for the workers to demand and collectivize to garner collective change in their behavior. But the economic scientists like Pareto and the social scientists like Hayek are right: this affects EVERYTHING. Every single other utility variable is weakened by the workers influence strengthening. Usually there is a happy balance. What we would love is a centralized government, but not a centralized administration, to use Tocqueville’s comparison.

Simply put, to raise or lower the ‘time-wage-unit’ or the ‘wage unit’ (in Keynes’ General Theory) is fucking impossible because the individual has a utility which is entirely his own, subjectively, in the hyperspace of cost/benefit utility maximization.

>>11654568
Imagine doing one single (presumably undergrad intro) subpar history unit and making assumptions about the entire study of history.

>>11654556
>could of

>>11655711
>You can find all of the material online and teach yourself at this point, for free.
I'm sure employers will be so impressed that you read some PDFs, anon

>>11656355
>Best majors were in biological, chemical, or physical sciences
degrees in these fields are near worthless at the bachelor's level

>>11654895
i don't normally bother solving captchas, but you're an idiot. likely ignorant and entitled as well

>>11654513
insh'allah

i'm a programmer in the video game industry and i feel guilty because of this thread. if it's any consolation, i wish i had majored in english instead of computer science. i guess this is the future i chose...

>>11654821
>>11654828
Envious of German cultural supremacy I see. Understandable.
Bonus: enjoying your German rocket technology I hope.

>>11654993
That's pretty much the problem, tons of people get degrees for jobs, for which in the army or navy the training would not even last 4 months, which on top is meant to be passable by eight graders.

>>11657346
You shouldn't feel guilty. /lit/ is full of backwards assholes anyway. Not that I give a shit about esports, but I fully understand why there are colleges which consider them to be culturally relevant and worth supporting just like physical sports. Video games exercise our minds the same way physical sports exercise our muscles.

>>11655254
Maybe if you'd been read to more as a child you'd be less emotionally reactive

Good. Under capitalism colleges and universities are nothing but trade schools.

>>11654914
Because some day the earth will be destroyed or no longer able to support life and our only hope for outliving earth is to get off this rock asap

i wish there was a board like /lit/ for programmers too bad /g/ is filled with pc gaming mongs, helpdesk peons, and open source cranks.

>>11657582
What you don’t understand is that’s how the school of science developed: as a tool to train new workers.

>>11654513
>only at elite schools as a luxury for upper middle and upper classes
But the best schools have the most degenerated humanties programs.

>>11655812

>Marxism

You can discredit carcinogenic pesticides used on the crops fed to the lower strata of society without using Communists. All you have to do is explain who is intended to be culled by the pesticides.

>>11655016
>less

>>11655081
>mfw I look up those quotes and find they are real

>>11655081
He's right you know

>>11655759
>to write philosophy
Then write, you don't need a degree to write, just educate yourself

>>11655183
>cultural return

You cant think that is actually higher than the financial return

>>11654433
Yes

>>11654433
This is an unironically good development.

>>11657225
>The only reason to learn anything is to wagecuck for $
you can go on libgen and teach yourself to manufacture nitroglycerin right now

>>11655081
How far the mighty have fallen.

>>11654433
Hey, hey hey, Art History is a purely aristocratic discipline, leave it alone!
>render the rest down for their nutrients though

>tfw lebron is playing a bunch of kids to play call of duty

>>11655081
So....

does this mean we can get a latina qt3.14 gf?

>>11655760
>building medical nanobots now?
It might not even be theoretically possible yet alone physically possible

>>11654433

LMAO and they said Gamergate was over. Libshits still getting btfo by gamers.

>>11655183

Well the cultural return is negative and corrosive so it better be damn well economically profitable if it wants to stick around (it's not).

>>11654821

I wonder if somebody actually thinks Germany is a cultural black hole, completely unironically. I feel this is probably a troll but I'm not sure.

>>11654433
>public schooling
Most public institutions are going to continue the slow decline in the coming decade. There is little refuge from a Democracy of retards. Housing prices will continue to rise as less and less land can be built on thanks to you friendly neighborhood retards trying to “preserve the natural beauty” or whatever meme they use to artificially inflate their home value while freezing the demographics into stagnation. The only solution is to exclusively choose private institutions and execute your neighbors. Good luck.

>>11654879

>why not spend the money to feed poor brown people so they can further breed like rabbits and shit up our planet?
>we don't need to colonize space anyways

>>11654690
>higher education
>an industry

It's already too late

>>11655051

Would save but jpeg compression. :l

>>11654978
Mars colony =\= space
Sure space is rich with minerals but mars isn't much use to us

>>11657987
The pendulum swing after Trump's failed right wing populism is going to have money pouring into public works programs, anon. Soon all public schools will be Sweden-tier.

>>11656301
>he thinks the Faustian Soul is post-ironic

>>11656301
Spanish and Portuguese arent North European (had more colonies than Russia, Scandinavia and Germany combined)

>>11656896
lmao seething

the same thread was opened 20 hours ago, and then deleted.

mods of this board are weird...

>>11657326
t. Brainlet mathematician

>>11658809
mods probably just went to bed

>>11656348
yikes the cope

>>11655878
weird how its always the ill-constitutioned soiboiz demanding that we step out of the way and let natural selection take over (see also neetch)

>>11654433
Gamers are beginning to rise up...

>>11654433
>Getting rid of Phd programs in Sociology and History and Labor economics
This is either the result of neocon or cronyist policies or just another commercial move that will idiotize the plebeian goy masses even further to send collective society crashing and leave such topics for instruction at the schools of the elite's children.
Similar to how much of the media was consolidated into a few corporations and reduced the level of diversity in their discourse.

>>11654433
>video games facility
Jesus Christ.

>>11658927
The humanities are corrupt garbage though. You could unironically learn sociology better by participating in a sport, physical or electronic.

>>11655380
>thinking it's the Christians holding him back
It's only you.

>>11657460
>Video games exercise our minds the same way physical sports exercise our muscles

lol

>>11659346
You laugh, but that's because video games are still fairly young and not many people grasp their value yet. Well-designed games require discipline just like sports though, and discipline has a nourishing effect.

Not if you save it anon....

>>11657744
good luck having anyone take your writing serious without a degree

>>11658832
>he thinks popular degrees like law aren't filled with brainlets

Popular for a reason

>>11658987
>You could unironically learn sociology better by participating in a sport, physical or electronic.
>stemtards unironically think sociology means how to make friends

>bottom tier degree mill

Literally who cares? Come back when actual prestigious institutions are doing it

>>11654440
/thread

>>11659346
We know there's a correlation between playing video games and retaining mental faculties later into life. So it's not that ridiculous to think there may be some cognitive benefit

>>11656896
Not him but state colleges are like this all the way through. I finished and I feel no gratitude as to the overall curriculum, only being forced to read and read and being able to find more diverse book selections as a result.
It's all beyond help, I'm convinced.

This must be the most commercial age ever seen by multitudes of scores, and it just keeps accelerating. Swarms of Chinese and Indian software engineers devour the markets like rats, the commercial has devoured the cultural. Universities are now trade schools to produce more commerce. Land was right and I fucking hate it

>>11659586
It's a mistake to divide the commercial from the cultural.

>>11659617
All that's left now is the culture of the commercial. Shit's fucked and you might as well convert to Islam

>>11659627
>All that's left now is the culture of the commercial.
That's pretty bullshit and you'd have to be uncultured to think this.

>>11659648
What common culture is there left that isn't corrupted? Tech has sapped the soul right out of everything and is in the process of optimising culture for commercial efficiency, I don't even know if this is deniable anymore. Sure you can read a book, escape to some remote community without television which miraculously kept the aural tradition, but what is happening in the cities while you do that? The commercial culture is now the GLOBAL culture. It permeates everything with a supply line and a screen. I'm not uncultured, you're the one who's overcultured in the rotten soil

>Anglophone world
The humanities are respected in continental Europe. Studying philosophy there won't make you jobless. Macron studied philosophy for example.

>>11654597
>ROI
good goyim. Work more in STEM so (((we))) can make more money

>>11654667
This is good actually. More your class people should do this

>>11659687

>tech

Like it's not finance.

why study history when I can study computer science?

>>11654667
Being a trustfund baby will teach you nothing interesting about life, you will literally be a kinda grown up child for the rest of your life. Good writing needs suffering and hardship. You are nothing more than a leech of society.

>>11659740
finance is now tech and vice versa

>>11654433
and soon, God willing, the end of humanity in our lifetime

>>11659747

Well yeah I guess it is.

>>11654556
Decent bait, I've seen better though.

>>11659771
are you starting to see the problem?

>>11659742
>Good writing needs suffering and hardship.

Nice meme

>>11659687
>Tech has sapped the soul right out of everything
Tech has spawned the majority of today's culture, you pleb.

>>11659825
and what great works it has wrought

>>11659825
>spawned the majority of today's culture
And that's a good thing?

>>11657800
here's the thing. even if you were to somehow teach yourself advanced chemistry from PDFs (lol), you won't have the lab equipment or training necessary to even do that. and don't kind yourself, because without the reinforcement and pressure of a real uni program, you'll never actually get any of that shit done and instead will be here LARPing on a vietnamese shadow puppet board.

>>11659839
Maybe not for the old and wretched who no longer have it in them to adapt to or embrace new technology. Why would it be a bad thing for the youth who are fully capable of utilizing new tech for their own goals?

>>11655967
yes

>>11659837
You don't know anything about the works of today's culture, so keep your sarcastic nonsense to yourself.

>>11659473
>oxford
>prestigious instiution
hahaha

>>11659124
im sure we'd be having more drug-fuelled orgies if it wasnt fucking neo-cromwellians looking down on us
like, it happens now and then but it's certainly infrequent -- even if you do find a local scene of degen pseudobohemian artists.

>>11660011
based zoomer
fortnite is the new shakespear

>>11660088
Fortnite is crap and only pseuds compare video games to literature because they have very different goals.

>>11660011
Are you incapable of differentiating culture from some kind of utility? The closest thing america has to a unifying culture now is shitty memes and netflix binging, and I'm saying this as a 21 year old that's not too old to partake.

>>11660199
Why do you attempt talking about things you clearly don't know much about? What do you really know about modern culture? What sites do you frequent for your information?

>>11660211
>What do you really know about modern culture?
I'm here, aren't I?
>What sites do you frequent for your information?
I go outside and interact with people.

>>11660239
High culture is on the internet now. If you don't even know that much at 21, you're probably beyond saving.

>>11659586
Who's Land?

>>11660559
st Nicholas "zoom zoom" landlocked

>>11654751
https://youtu.be/oZzgAjjuqZM

>>11661112
Noice