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11649963 No.11649963 [Reply] [Original]

Do you see substantial value in the theory of the great chain of being? This can be a view that is Christian, Hindu, Neoplatonic, or of another group.

>> No.11650124

>>11649963
Redpill me on this

>> No.11650131

yes

leftism is the denial of hierarchy/arboreal thought

>> No.11650278

>>11650124
There is an existential ladder of being that is the product of the One (or God, if you are Christian,) which drips down until it reaches nigh-nonexistence. The higher on the ladder something is, the closer to the One it is and thus the closer to the Good. The further down something is, the closer to nonbeing it is and with that comes the privation of Good and perfection- which is argued to be evil.This hierarchy of being has been argued as existing across cultures for centuries if not thousands of years. It may be dogma or it may be true. It has a huge basis in Platonic and Vedantic philosophy, albiey with differences here and there.

>> No.11650293

No. Pretty shitty concept. Glad post-Enlightenment got rid of it.

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>>11649963
Me at the top.

>> No.11650680

>>11650293
Why do you think that? I understand that it could be misused to justify caste systems, but I think that if this hierarchy does exist, then it isn't supposed to be reliant on society, but on the individual. I mean that, with equal opportunity, the individual's position will be made clear through their actions.

>> No.11650779

>>11650680
caste systems are a good thing though

>> No.11651018

>>11650278

I now know to blame fire and stones for all my problems. Fucking fire and stones!!!

>> No.11651058

>>11650278
I have had a vision as a boy, of Alexander, at the peak of the tower of babel, his fingertips brushing with the lowest clouds at the gates of heaven, and the cracking of horror as the fundament below falls, and so too does man.
there is more to the distance and dilution of mortality from god's eternal found than just allusion, i think there is a literal relation between our distance from god and our ability to have the illusion of free will, to play out the story. all the world's a stage, right?
dissolve the chain, dissolve the sense of reality, dissolve the sense of place, man becomes beast, believes himself god, ridicules the angels. he gets all cocky. and besides, one could not model imperfection without pushing it away from perfection, forcing paranoia to exist. there's all sorts of ways to convey the fall, the corruption of perfection, the big bang, whatever.

>> No.11651107

>>11651058
My diary desu

>> No.11651118
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>>11651107

>> No.11651131

>>11649963
'value' no, not really.
Most people today assume this just without the Christian bits. Because it's human-centric and based on everything's relationship with humanity, or more specifically, Europeans. So we're better off tackling the assumption than solidifying it.

>> No.11651156

>>11651118
What I meant is that I have become a beast, believed myself god, and ridiculed angels, though not necessarily in that order.

>> No.11651162

>>11651156
i think we all have, sadly, whatever chains that held us are now uh, prometheus unbound or whatever.

>> No.11651184

>>11651162
No I mean that I have basically ridiculed angels to their face. As a magician. Because I'm that insane. Michael said that essence precedes existence, but of course an angel would think that, so I am still a chaos magician.

>> No.11651224

>>11651184
I know a magician myself. In fact, i'm a vague prophet. but I don't razzle dazzle, my buddy does all that stuff, but he's making the arduous trek to righteousness.

you're not alone.
trust me. and i don't think you're insane at all.
Just don't go talkin shit on the holy spirit.

>> No.11651257

>>11649963
It’s a descriptive model of a premodern cosmology, it’s irrevocably lost and has little to do with the modern predicament.

>> No.11651278

>>11651184
i'm being serious, i have heard these words and words like them spoken, i know the world you're living in, you're legitimately not alone, there are other rafts among the sea, my friend, and some people just so happen to keep all the water out.