/lit/ - Literature

>>11611431
The 21s century would be remember as an age with endless improvement on technology and the quality of living thanks to globalization matched with a more increasing lost of meaning for civilizations and inviduals
As history proved, after a big storm the peace comes for a while

>>11611482
Whens the next storm come boss?

>>11611431
counting on it lads.

Sounds dope. Future so bright I gotta wear shades.

>>11611431
I hope so

Post-capitalism=communism=fascism

>>11611482
global ecofascist government is the only thing that will enable the 21st century to be remembered at all. When SE Asia is under water and the melting himalayas turn the water supply to 50% of the world to mud, when the ph of the oceans plummets killing off the little usable seafood there is left, and methane trapped in permafrost for the past 100k years leeches back into the atmosphere...wait what am I saying, there's a new iphone coming our right? That'll make everything ok.

i like being part of the first millenniarian generation whose expectations are at least somewhat empirically grounded. we might just be here for the happening guyz

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>>11612425
He never said that lol

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>>11611482
LOL, you're out of your mind. Living standards for whites have been collapsing and we're being invaded from all sides because an alien race called jews has slithered into power in our institutions. The 21st century will be the century of the modern jewish expulsion. It's approaching fast too. No way around it. Liberalism, left and right, etc., is all a facade, it's one group of men vs another group of men, as it's always been in the realm of nature.

>>11611431
Communism would solve the disasters caused by liberalism much more effectively than fascism.

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>>11612810
Disinfect your brain from these jewish ideologies, retard.

>/lit/- literature

If fascism is so great then how come it lost to communism?

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>>11612826
Fascism did not lose to communism, European ethnic nationalism lost to jewish internationalism. Conflict is about abstract ideas, which were the barriers behind which these two ethnic groups were aligned and pushing into each other.

>>11612860
*conflict *isn't* about abstract ideas, that should have read.

>>11612819
I'm beginning to think posts like this are created by leftists to besmirch the right. If your aim were to convince others of your cause wouldn't it make more sense to present compelling arguments rather than resorting to name-calling? All of the anti-Semitism on 4chan has led me further to the left because you all refuse to formulate arguments. So if you and the others are leftists pretending to be right wing idiots then you're doing a good job.

>>11612860
Well, if might is right and Jewish internationalism won the war wouldn't that mean you're in support of it?

>>11612865
Are you really so stupid that you don't realize that communism was jewish?

>>11612871
Why would it? I'm an ethnic nationalist who wants jews removed from the west.

>>11612860
Imagine telling yourself this to console yourself that you're not really a loser who idolizes failure, that it's really all just a big Jewish conspiracy and if it wasn't for the Jews you would be rich and smart and strong and would win any war ever.

>>11612923
What?
>Jewish conspiracy
Only jews use that term. Whites who understand the JQ know that jews as inbred parasites do conspire, but also that they don't need to.

Provide a better argument if want to be taken seriously here. You're regurgitating old jewish talking points.

>>11611431
> the nostalgia of religion and traditionalism, the
aesthetic appreciation of militarism and war, racism, the rejection of equality, the disgust of modern "morality" (decadence

this is literally just you going on 4chan too much and thinking the rest of society is like that

>the polirization of society resulting in tribalism, the cult following of political and social figures

these things predate liberalism by alot

fascism really is ultimately the re-assertion of the original liberal project, in a way. the original liberals were also nationalists and it was always assumed global capital would be subservient to the needs of the nation as a whole. looking back this assumption was naive as shit.


fascism will probably stage somwhat of a comeback, although that wouldn't really be all that much different than what we have now. Fascism is basically just quasi-authoritarian social democracy in action.

much more interesting is what the original pre-mussolini fascists thought. They were genuine radicals, wanting to tear down the old order. they glorified action and will to power, but also held to nationhood. in a weird sense they were sort of neitzchean anti authoritarian authoritarians.

this is a much more interesting fascism and i do think parts of this attitude will inevitable come back into the public conscioussness in a cyber punk kind of way. digital technologies and the computer gives the individual more power and capabilities to act than at any time in history since the agricultural revolution. at the same time, individuals are self segregating themselves into groups of people that think and believe the same things they believe. state probably wont survive the near future in any recognizable way. but nationalism will strangely enough. a nation with no state. the original jews and gypsys were right all along

>>11612872
swing and a miss

>>11612942
>fascism will probably stage somwhat of a comeback
Fascism refers to something from a specific time that is now irrelevant. A strong state and that protects and upholds a strong homogenous European population is the natural sociopolitical order for Europeans. It's immemorial, but it's bad for jews, so it gets tagged with bullshit terms like "facism," "notseeism," etc.

You have to think of these things in terms of people, not abstract ideologies, or you'll miss the whole plot.

>>11612955
That's not even controversial, bud.

>>11612935
Fuck off back to /pol/ brainlet

>>11612986
Never posted there. Provide substance or don't post.

>>11612996
I guess you shouldn't post then.

>>11613004
You shouldn't be posting on /lit/ unless you have a basic understanding of the jewish problem. But awareness that communism was as jewish as the bagel is a simple fact you should just know regardless unless you're a nonwhite, in which case you shouldn't be posting here to begin with.

>>11613014
You can understand these things and not be an antisemitic faggot with an underdeveloped prefrontal lobe. You might have to actually get off your computer and meet real people first though.

>>11612971
>Fascism refers to something from a specific time that is now irrelevant.

Nothing is irrelevant. Everything reverberates forward
>A strong state and that protects and upholds a strong homogenous European population is the natural sociopolitical order for Europeans

totally false. you're either trolling, knowingly peedling propagandist bullshit, totally ignorant of european history. or all 3.

>It's immemorial, but it's bad for jews, so it gets tagged with bullshit terms like "facism," "notseeism," etc

you're way out of your league here, kid. stick with /pol/ or youtube comments

>>11613022
>antisemitic
This isn't a real term. Semites cause semitism, which a natural response to their behavior. You need to try to start thinking for yourself. Jews hate you, understand?

Politically, the Manifesto calls for:

Universal suffrage with a lowered voting age to 18 years, and voting and electoral office eligibility for all age 25 and up;
Proportional representation on a regional basis;
Voting for women (which was then opposed by most other European nations);
Representation at government level of newly created national councils by economic sector;
The abolition of the Italian Senate (at the time, the Senate, as the upper house of parliament, was by process elected by the wealthier citizens, but were in reality direct appointments by the king. It has been described as a sort of extended council of the crown);
The formation of a national council of experts for labor, for industry, for transportation, for the public health, for communications, etc. Selections to be made of professionals or of tradesmen with legislative powers, and elected directly to a general commission with ministerial powers.

In labor and social policy, the Manifesto calls for:

The quick enactment of a law of the state that sanctions an eight-hour workday for all workers;
A minimum wage;
The participation of workers' representatives in the functions of industry commissions;
To show the same confidence in the labor unions (that prove to be technically and morally worthy) as is given to industry executives or public servants;
Reorganization of the railways and the transport sector;
Revision of the draft law on invalidity insurance;
Reduction of the retirement age from 65 to 55.

In military affairs, the Manifesto advocates:

Creation of a short-service national militia with specifically defensive responsibilities;
Armaments factories are to be nationalized;
A peaceful but competitive foreign policy.

In finance, the Manifesto advocates:

A strong progressive tax on capital (envisaging a “partial expropriation” of concentrated wealth);
The seizure of all the possessions of the religious congregations and the abolition of all the bishoprics, which constitute an enormous liability on the Nation and on the privileges of the poor;
Revision of all contracts for military provisions;
The revision of all military contracts and the seizure of 85 percent of the profits therein.

that's the italian fascist manifesto. you get workplace democracy, stronger unions, higher minimum wage, lower retirement age, seizing of church lands, and nationalization of arms factories. and all you nhave to give up is the senate? sounds bretty good to me desu

>>11613036
Have you never met a Jewish person?

>>11613029
>totally false.
Absolutely true. Nationalism/fascism was also a direct response to jewish bolshevism, which, prior to the rise of the Third Reich, resulted in jews overthrowing a weak Russian state and murdering millions of Russians. Western nations like Germany didn't want that to happen to them, and their weakened state was the result of jewish actions.

>>11613051
Many.

>>11611431
Thanks for this literature thread on the literature board dumb niggerfaggot

>>11613046
It's easy to write whatever you want on a sheet of paper and still have whatever outcome you want in your elections when you have Blackshirts breaking down your door and beating up your elderly mother when you don't "vote" to consolidate more power into Mussolini's hands.

>alt right cucks on the run
LMAO get BTFO cucks

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>>11612826
Germany lost to forces that could have still won if they weren't being directed under a communist regime. That Germany lost to Russia proves nothing with regards to whether national socialism is superior to communism.

>>11613447
>YOUR VICTORY PROVES NOTHING

>>11613507
I didn't say it proves nothing, faggot. I said it proves nothing with regards to whether nationalism socialism is superior to communism.

>>11613526
Cry more loser

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>>11613014
you're not welcome here /pol/

>>11611431
I don't know about fascism or neo-fascism anon. I don't think for certain anyone can tell what sort of ideologies will take power in the future. However you're right that massive change is coming to Europe and possibly the new world as well. Liberal democracies will not last forever. What will replace them and how will we get there? It's probably too early to tell, but we don't live in the same world anymore.

>>11611431
Based and redpilled

>>11613526
They spring from the same ideology - social control in the name of benefitting the people

This type of ideology cannot benefit any society and only serve to increase its consumption still further.

If I see any more posters empathizing with Nazi Germany, Hierarchical Japan, or Fascist Italy I’m going to assume it’s because they’re a faggot weeaboo on a faggot anime board

The other thing is, the more I read, the more I realize that ultimately, all form of social control is largely rendered a tax upon consumption, which must be alleviated by more incentives. The only time this is not the case, is when the item in question is undergoing a type of rent, in which the property owners absorb larger profits with the economic progress of society. This complicated reasoning is why Georgism is even close to being approachable. Socialism is retarded.

Nazism grew out of socialism, that’s the other thing. Socialism was a fad in the early 1900s and Russia, Germany, Italy, and China all capitalized on it.

ok I've had a copy of John Gray's Post-Liberalism for like 10 years now but only in the last few months has twitter and /lit/ started using the phrase. Who is to blame for this? Is it Vermeule?

>>11613685
This is not the first time this has happened. The jewish "golden age" is pre-coherent-nation Spain, when the jews took power and let the arabs onto the continent as they have done in the present day west since solidifying power in the post WWII era. The jews and arabs fought together against the Spanish until both were kicked out in 1492, after which Spain began dominating the world. This century will see a similar unfolding as jews team up with the brown people they've let in and attack whites until whites consolidate and kick them out.

Those of us speaking about the jewish problem know even if you don't that we've been here before.

>>11613712
I’ve had enough of this shit. The problem isn’t really Jews, it’s something a little more complicated than that in any given situation. Hopefully as the user base of this board decreases we will get more intelligent people weighing in on the clandestine dealings of authority figures behind closed doors

>>11612942
Could you talk more about what this form of fascism would look like, particularly from the Nietzschean angle you mentioned?

I love Nietzsche, and I want to see a nation whose focus is cultivating human greatness, rather than material wealth like capitalist liberalism does. The thing is, I’m not exactly sure what such a society would look like. It would probably produce an aristocracy of great men, but what would this be based on if not material wealth?

>>11613719
The problem is unequivocally the jews. This is what they do and have always done.

>>11613747
The Jews have been bankers and money jobbers, sure. But it was merely circumstantial. What should be examined is how the morals of society have degraded so much that banking jobs have somehow become respectable and Money is for some reason something to be worshipped.

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>>11613747
And then going from there you find the cause to be loss of religion: finding God is surely the best way out of this.

The future of the world is obviously going to be, to a certain degree, authoritarian. I think it has been proved that the challenges of the 21st century, from climate change to AI to space exploration, are simply too big and too complex for mass democracy to solve. I consider myself a pretty smart guy, but I don't consider myself at all capable of addressing the rise of artificial intelligence.

Ideal governments of the future will probably be a kind of quasi-meritocratic aristocracy. I think a good model to keep in mind is the government of the Republic of Venice, which allowed the people a certain say in their government but still kept nearly all important functions limited to the nobility. It's worth pointing out that Venice lasted a thousand years as a republic. Aristocratic republics tend to be very stable.

>>11613712
Eh I'm that anon you replied to. It's quite an oversimplification to pin it on the jews. Of course they are over represented in things like media, finance, and politics but there are plenty of normal, average jews who have nothing to do with the cultural revolution that has taken place in the west since the 60s. Regardless it was whites in these countries that accepted and now promote these ideas more so than a jewish boogeyman.