/lit/ - Literature

>>11612482
it's unreal how autistic anime is

>>11612488
That's what fictions are.

>>11612482
But that's not Japanese /lit/, it's just consumerist pop culture.

>>11612506
does a medium define the artistic integrity of it's works?
for example: there are kino films and then there are tyler perry movies. both utilize the same medium.

to judge art on such superficial reasons leads me to believe you are a pleb faggot.

>Shounen manga/anime/LNs
>/lit/
Fuck off.
You'll maybe find such autism in western YA books, but western retardation is different from jap retardation.

>>11612488
Isn't it perfect? Imagine if Tolstoy wrote anime.

There is no culture as advanced in the realm of fictional female characters as Japan so no.

>>11612488
Wrong website to vomit such blind opinions. I don't pity you for your ignorance, I envy you for all of the unwatched 11/10 material you have yet to experience.

>>11612560
I don’t think it’s unreasonable to put a blanket of autism over anime. I’ve enjoyed a lot of anime and used to attend conventions, but I still recognize it’s autistic as fuck. Autism doesn’t always mean bad though.

>>11612570
not even saying there isn't good anime, ive never seen any so it would be absurd to comment on that

it's just that the bits of the culture ive been exposed to are diluted autism of a purity i have a hard time thinking of an equivalent to

>>11612488
>>11612577
4chan is an anime website, please leave as soon as possible if you don't like watching it.

>>11612482
It's like no one on this site has heard of TVTropes... but everyone knows that's not true.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StockCharacters
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StockCharacters
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ArchetypalCharacter

Asuka vs Rei

>>11612577
I think you meant to respond to the person I responded to.
>>11612589
4chan has an anime board. 4chan is not an anime website.

>>11612570
>>11612577
so "autism" is just a synonym for "not socially mainstream", or something? I don't get it. anime is pretty straightfoward in general. strong character does strong thing adolescent get excited. hot guy flirt with hot guy fujo become warm. sexy girl show butt male dick twitches. cute girl does cute thing neet giggle.

>>11612618
alright newfig.. i was nice with u for my own amusement but now play time is ogre

you either shut the FUCK up and go watch some anime, or go back to le reddit right NOW

>>11612618
He's right. If you don't like anime you should stop posting and watch some until you do, as you wouldn't dislike it were you familiar with the medium. If you are too lazy to do that, keep your ignorance to yourself or find another website.

>>11612644
I’d say that autism in this context refers to a continued cycle of piling tropes on tropes in unrealistic scenarios with stilted, simplistic dialogue and one dimensional character interactions. It seems almost purpose built for people with no context for actual human interaction or sense of social conventions.

>>11612645
I’m ashamed that I couldn’t tell you were sarcastic at first. Give me your address and I will kneel at your doorstep for voluntary beheading in 5-10 business days.

>>11612659
I do like anime. I just happen to also think it’s retarded. I like flicking a laser pointer around my room for my cat to chase it. That doesn’t mean I can’t also acknowledge it as being an objective waste of time.

>>11612675
I don't get it...are you basing your opinion on a few popular children's anime series or something? It's a very large medium with tens of thousands of distinct productions in all kinds of genres aimed at all kinds of demographics, your blanket statement covers only a very narrow portion of it.

>simplistic dialogue
Are you fluent in Japanese?

>>11612681
>waste of time
Compared to what?

>>11612681
There is no difference between watching anime and reading fiction when it comes to what is or isn't a "waste of time".

>>11612695
A blanket covers all of a person except usually their head. I’m not saying there aren’t exceptions. I am saying the bulk is trash.
And the simplistic dialogue I’m referring to is the result of subtitles or dubbed translations needing to be succinct and direct for clarity, often with translator’s notes to explain cultural idioms. It’s actually perfect for autistic people who don’t grasp the nuances of natural conversation.

>>11612703
Doing almost literally anything else. Reading a book, running, brushing your teeth, playing tennis, painting, taking a shit. I’m not saying it’s bad. I’m just saying it’s stupid and a waste of time. You know what else is stupid and a waste of time? Drinking a really well made hot chocolate. It’s objectively bad for you, and you would be better served by doing lots of different things. That doesn’t make it bad to do it though.

>>11612681
>muh fiction is much more profound than dumb animu
I’m gonna guess you haven’t watched Eva, Cowboy Bebop, serial experiments lain, or any Ghibli movies

>>11612735
If you aren't fluent in Japanese you have absolutely no valid opinion on anime dialogue. If you haven't watched the "bulk" of anime you have no valid opinion on what the "bulk" of anime is. You are throwing a tantrum over something you do not understand.

>>11612746
I’ve watched Eva, Bebop, Akira, most Ghibli movies, Metropolis, Redline, Space Pirate Harlock, Berserk, and many more that I can’t even think of off the top of my head. I also had a subscription to Shonen Jump for the better part of ten years.
I also think reading fiction is a waste of time.

>>11612735
A passtime is a passtime, it can only be subjective whether it is superior or inferior to another.

>>11612746
Yikes, at least watch twenty series first before saying something like this

>>11612750
I’m not throwing a tantrum. I’m just saying something is a waste of time after having wasted lots of time doing it. You’re the one getting defensive.

>>11612759
So you watched like ten shounen series and some movies and think you understand the medium?

>>11612560
>>11612589
wrong 4chan is for normies now. Kill yourselves you pathetic weeb virgins.

>>11612769
>Attacking the fundamental logic of your argument in plain language
>"Defensive"
Okay. Anyway, I hope you aren't this guy >>11612759 or you've hardly spent any time at all watching anime.

>>11612644
if you dont get why it's autistic i dont know if i can help you

look man im not trying to be a dick, we are all being socially malformed merely by being here, we are all probably weird in some way socially, if not autistic

>>11612787
There is literally nothing wrong with using 4chan, and if you think it's a negative trait to be here you are pathetic for allowing yourself to be here.

>>11612772
He challeged whether or not I’ve experienced the medium by assuming I haven’t seen certain pieces. I responded by saying that I actually have seen all of those things(save one). What exactly am I missing? Is there some secret catalog of actually good anime that I seem to have missed in the last 12 years since I started watching anime? What should I watch to get a deeper understanding if you’re an authority?

>>11612782
My primary argument is that watching anime is a waste of time. Not that it is bad. You have yet to attack that in any way besides assuming I think the way I waste my time is superior. Which I don’t.

>>11612795
i guess malformed is too harsh, but almost everyone here is 'different' in some sense, or they would feel they need anonymity to express what they really have to say.

honestly i love the people here, i mean that genuinely, my life is fine in the real world, i get along, but i would have missed so much interaction i valued if i had never come here

maybe you don't want to admit it about yourself, but it's not even a negative thing necessarily, it can be of course, but there is a reason you seek out totally anonymous social interaction.

>>11612829
I agree with you completely. I think the anonymity allows people to disagree. If you say something that goes against the grain in almost any fashion on any social media website you tend to run the risk of puncturing an echo chamber and getting bitched at.

Commedia del Arte.

>>11612846
social media is even worse than real life. you can get away with a lot irl by just framing it differently, being charismatic, etc. Social media is fucking puritanical.

>>11612859
Fuck my ass! My high school drama teacher would be so disappointed in me for having forgotten all about that! I should write him a letter to tell him of my failure.

>>11612482
Never watched anything beyond DBZ and Naruto.
Will one of you guys rec me a good anime?

Anime is cliched autistic garbage honestly. I stopped liking it once I grew up and starting making friends irl

I love anime because all the characters look like they were designed off of the same template. You can go from show to show and not tell any of the characters apart. Thousands and thousands of characters and the only difference is the color of the hair. The limited animation where nothing moves is breathtaking. I love nothing more than to stare at the same drawing for three minutes straight while the mouth slightly twitches to indicate speech. The translated dialogue is always replete with childish banalities but that is indeed an improvement upon the original Japanese. The lack of Aristotlean three act structure and how random things just happen and scenes cut away to inanimate objects during the middle of a conversation is such a valuable use of my time. The sexual degeneracy that causes children to stumble into sin is just icing on the cake. The best part of all is anime fans. The internet is blessed by the presence of these socially adept geniuses of high culture. Otaku are highly esteemed in Japan.

>>11612822
You made claims and I attacked them. Your primary argument is one of subjectivity, you would look more intelligent if you just said "I don't like anime" instead of trying to justify your emotions towards a medium you aren't very familiar with using obscene claims.

>What should I watch to get a deeper understanding if you’re an authority?
Well since it looks like you've only watched some movies and surface-level shounen, try filling the demographic gaps or watching some cult pieces, as you would to familiarize yourself with any medium. 80s-90s OVAs are popular. Stuff like Key or LoGH poops on your weird claims about characterization. Even wacky stuff like MD Geist can have pleasantly unique character tropes. Older guys tend to prefer seinen comedies that air every season. Pandora, Moetan, this season there's Chio-chan, High Score Girl, and Asobi Asobase. Not exactly high brow or anything but I prefer stuff like that to what passes for comedy in the west these days. The shoujo demographic has some of the best characters in fiction I'm aware of. Rayearth, Precure, CCS, Doremi, etc. Go watch the good meme stuff like Utena or LoGH.

>>11612876
hunter x hunter
mawaru penguindrum
boogeypop phantom

>>11612876
Symphogear or Flip Flappers are what I recommend to people at random.

>>11612911
It’s a good thing I’m not concerned with looking intelligent. I’ll earnestly check out some of the series you’ve mentioned and I’ll do so with an open mind, as my experience with shoujo is pretty much limited to Sailor Moon. I’ll start with Utena since it’s the only one you’ve listed that I’ve actually heard of. I’ll also screenshot your post here for reference.

>>11612916
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>>11612876
there is no such thing as good anime
manly manga like berserk and ippo can be incredibly inspiring, visual novels are a less noble escape from reality but still can be pretty good but anime is almost entirely trash, best is cowboy bebop though.

For me, it's tfw no yandere gf

>>11612940
Yikes if you're actually looking for recs and not just blindly shrieking which people normally do here I can do better than a scattering, just give me a few minutes. Need to compile this anyway for a friend.

>>11612959
I’m open to lots of shit, dude. I think anime is retarded and a waste of time but I still fuck my hand instead of my girlfriend three nights out of the week. Do you think I think myself to be a Nietzchean paragon of ambition and discipline? I’m shit posting on 4chan for fuck’s sake.

For me, it's Aklu no Hana aka /lit/: the anime.

>>11612482
Is there a more artistically stunted medium than anime in terms of the average creator and fan? Maybe vidya comes close but that's arguably not even an art.

>>11612940
>>11612959
--Shoujo/Mahou Shoujo
>Utena
>Magic Knight Rayearth
>Rose of Versailles
>Juuni Kokuki
>Oniisama e...
>Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha
>Symphogear
>Flip Flappers
>Princess Tutu
>Precure(Heartcatch is a good start for noobs)
>Cardcaptor Sakura
>Doremi
>Tokyo Mew Mew
>Nurse Angel Ririka
>Shugo Chara

--80s/90s Romp
>Gunbuster
>Ys
>Key the Metal Idol
>LoGH
>Iczer/Iczelion
>Gaiarth
>Leda
>Arslan Senki
>Geist/Genocyber/Cyguard
>08th MS Team
These are just some from the time period with more generic appeal that I liked there are literally endless

>>11613055
I don't think there's another medium where people who know nothing of it have such strong opinions.

>>11612985
Watch Bakemonogatari

>>11613068
I know quite a bit if you're implying I don't. The best of it's still sub-par.

>>11612905

>>11612905
based

>>11612905
kek well written

Asuka vs Rei
Misatoの同人 get out

>>11612482
I fucking despise this shit because it leaks into cartoon horse porn.
Autistic fucking weebs literally cannot write anything that doesn't rely on this small, predictable set of archetypes and tropes.

>>11612482
Archetypes do not change much between cultures. The general character archetypes of your moeshit can be found in characters of the canon, except with more depth.

>>11613305
Neither, shinji is the only Eva character with any personality

>>11613107
what is this sub-par "best of it" you speak of?

>>11612560
>>11612589
/lit/ is and always has been an /sp/ board
weebshit out

>>11613362
>The general character archetypes of your moeshit can be found in characters of the canon, except with more depth.
Who is the best tsundere in the western canon?