/lit/ - Literature

Next read On Pain.

>>11604193
Don't like seeing Junger threads because I know /pol/tards will fucking ruin him like they ruined Evola. Basically if you think everything Junger writes is gonna be like Storm of Steel you can join Goebbels in the ex-fan ring. He takes a very different approach post-Nazis which you'll hate. If you are interested in the more humanistic and later on aristocratic Junger then
>The Adventurous Heart
>Marble Cliffs
>The Glass Bees
>Eumeswil
On Pain and Der Arbeiter are good interwar works similar to Storm of Steel but that is basically it. Most of Junger's stuff is untranslated and what has been translated is quite hard to find hard copy or not...or otherwise expensive. I am a huge Junger sperg recently forked out for his autograph and own a few rare English early editions. I can probably answer some questions but unfortunately the language barrier prevents me from being an expert

>>11604227
>Don't like seeing Junger threads because I know /pol/tards will fucking ruin him
This. I already suspect the interest people /pol/ crossposters take in him is because of his le epic based and redpilled beliefs from the first edition of Storm of Steel. He grew out of his blind nationalism pretty quickly.

>>11604227
>>11604237
op here, not at all interested in the political stuff but I really liked his writing style and now want to read more from him

>>11604227
>Old man Junger
No thanks grandpa, ain't nobody interested in decrepit minds of defeated once-were men. Only young virile Junger is interesting.

>>11604237
>As a decrepit grandpa whose body and mind is wasting away I see the world differently
*yawn*

>>11604227
>>11604330
also I'm German so I can probably find all of his books

>>11604347
>>11604351
>I choose to ignore the conclusions of a man who lived a lucid 100 years because I'm an American 20 year old who goes on tumblr looking for "war aesthetics"
Yeah what could someone who actually lived the life you wish you had know about it? Btw if you were going to follow the conclusions of "young Junger" then you should become a factory worker and do your best to increase GDP. I'm not even joking that is what he advocated until 1933

why inglish & murican ppl don't like junger?

>>11604365
Except he was NazBol and thought that the factory worker ought to be able to study philosophy, botany and hunt.

>>11604193
The Adventurous Heart and On the Marble Cliffs, then everything else you can find.

>>11604592
Didn't he turn Libertarian later?

>>11604592
>Except he was NazBol and thought that the factory worker ought to be able to study philosophy, botany and hunt.
Well there is nothing to stop you from being a factory worker who studies philosophy, botany and goes hunting. Of course you'll be making useless shit for shitter people in the shittiest system imaginable, which is exactly why Junger made a clean break from that thinking lmao. Der Arbeiter was outdated by the 1940s and here you are in 2018 trying to role play it online. I won't waste any more time with this because you clearly don't give a fuck about the ideas of Junger you just like a cool edgy "aesthetic" from a lost time and want to graft it onto your middle class American nothing life. You won't even be able to do that. Junger made pragmatic changes in the face of historical realities. Something that is worth learning from and is actually useful. Far more utility in that than being a pampered Zoomer larping as a trench warrior and lionising an experience of life you know NOTHING about in practice

>>11604227
Nice pic. First time i've seen it.

>>11604628
good post


Jünger was an escapist. opinion?

>>11604723
>Jünger was an escapist. opinion?
Junger himself admitted, I'm paraphrasing, that he was an escapist because he found reality inadequate. I think he was obviously a very romantic person and so is his modern readership. When he joined the Foreign Legion he was disappointed by the reality of legion life, of Africa too. The war seems to have exceeded his expectations but soon the reality of modern machinery and all that it entails got to him. He said that WW2 was nothing but a giant traffic jam. When he lost his son I think that was his last straw. I've never seen it said before and I think it is largely incorrect, but I feel like the society Junger wanted was sort of fulfilled by the Nazis and the reality disgusted him. Ultimately he can be called an escapist easily but I think looking at his life we should not judge him. He experienced a lot of pain and loss, from his son to his Germany and so had to find a way to cope. Lucky for us he recorded that process in his writing and philosophy.

>>11604365
>the conclusions of old men are ultimately right
That's the ideal but I can already see how a year of making a modest amount of money has begun to corrupt me. I can't begin to imagine the loss of ideals that had to have taken place in the post war orgy of materialism

>>11604773
>post war orgy of materialism
Junger was a persona non grata because he refused deNazification and rejected materialism outright not to mention German society as a whole after 1919.

>>11604773
Wealth does not always corrupt, it does often when in hands of lesser man but should not for others. Fight against its power.


Capital is an enemy to mankind but that doesnt mean you should not acquire it

Was he the most Chad author in history? I've read his War Diaries and the guy was slaying pussy, receiving bullets and shrapnel, smoking and drinking like there was no tomorrow and he lived more than 100 years despite all this.

>>11604825
Don't forget being one of the first people to do LSD and telling Hitler, the US and the Soviets to all fuck themselves at different times

>>11604593
thanks

>>11604773
Money hasn't changed you, it only showed you who you are, how you use the resources, the power you are given. It is easy to blame our moral shortcomings on our material shortcomings. You could have "changed" by donating more to charity, doing more volunteer work, investing in projects you believe in - if you didn't, it is because you didn't want to. But you couldn't have realized you didn't want to until you could.

Anybody read die wäldgang, ive heard its quite interesting. Also what are junger thoughts later in life on nature and progress?


Thanks.

>The virgin Erich Maria Remarque vs the Chad Ernst Jünger

>>11604854
It's been more like a drug addiction. I still give to the homeless, but now that I have money, my family depends on me for it and I've developed habits that require it. This means that like a heroin addict who has to remain close to his dealer, I have to remain close to the source of money and not just physically. I have to be "normal" in a way that ties me to whatever degenerate, filthy ideas are held by society as a whole.

>>11604628
That's an intense projection. All I said was that The Worker is not far off from Marxism. Look into his relation with Niekisch.

>>11604762
>but I feel like the society Junger wanted was sort of fulfilled by the Nazis and the reality disgusted him

Not quite. Junger was very close to Ernst Niekisch (NazBol originator) so he became quite adverse to Hitler and Goering early on yet was still in that anti-liberal strain (Niekisch hardly being a politically correct thinker). I believe he was less against the principle of National Socialism than its ability to get hijacked by idiots who will oppress the brightest thinkers and overall run the country to the ground. A lot of his focus post-Marble Cliffs is centered on how to resist and avoid getting trapped in movements like these.

>>11604614
I wouldn't describe him as libertarian. I like the term anarcho-botanist. Eumeswil is probably his most "libertarian."

>>11604825
Yeah but I think he became embarrassed by that because he realized that his experience was so fortunate and different from the vast majority. Maybe it was meeting and reading Celine, or maybe he just did not want to be remembered as someone who wrote a book that Hitler and Goebbels loved.

>>11604857
It's a dense read but very good. A good follow up to Marble Cliffs and prefigures what he'd write in Eumeswil.

>>11604592
>ywn do seasonal factory work with state sponsored vacations for hunting outings, botanical training, and philosophical seminars
fuck kapitalizm family, it just isnt fair

>>11605744
his contemporary view would just be as materialst and alienating imbicile

>>11604227
Hey, can you give a brief overview of the differences between publications, and their English translations (ie if they have any)? I've read the publications have some drastic differences.

How is Hoffman's translation? I've heard the nationalism and violence is toned down in some revisions: is it that way in the Hoffman translation?

Thanks a ton.

>>11606096
what's your endgame?

>>11604227
I wonder what it is they're drinking

>>11606158
Crashing the international economy ....
WITH NO SURVIVORS

>>11606176
they are champagne glasses, colour looks like champagne too

>>11604237
He never disavowed his nationalism, he tired of the revolutionary rhetoric that was abused in the road to power. He remained pessimistic post war and only became rehabilitated in the last few decades of life through his respected unwillingness to bend to the standards of society and petty politics

>>11604227
>like they ruined Evola
Evola is trash. They're perfect for him.

>>11606176
>>11606197
No, it's Apferol spritz.

>>11604614
>The positive counterpart of the anarchist is the anarch. The latter is not the adversary of the monarch, but his antipode, untouched by him though also dangerous. He is not the opponent of the monarch, but his pendant.
>After all, the monarch wants to rule many, nay, all people; the anarch, only himself. This gives him an attitude both objective and skeptical towards the powers that be; he has their figures go past him – and he is untouched, no doubt, yet inwardly not unmoved, not without historical passion.

Junger was never opposed to the state or strong central leaders, the German Empire was his entire being

>>11604857
As a treaty for inner emigration it was Evola's inspiration for Ride the Tiger

>>11606224
i think the colour is to pale for aperol

>>11606249
Was it worth the read in your opinion

>>11606268
Yes and it's an important stepping stone to his later development. It's a continuation of his "revolutionary" phase in a sense in that it's like a manifesto to a movement of resistance in the era of technology, one that must rely on personal integrity in the face of dilemma. The forest passage to him is "a passage through death" for aristocratic individuals

>>11606156
>Hey, can you give a brief overview of the differences between publications, and their English translations (ie if they have any)? I've read the publications have some drastic differences.
The Penguin Storm of Steel translation is actually heavily censored and edited. Incredible but true, allusions to German nationalism even today have been removed. Junger himself revised the work several times but you'll have to really poke around to find an English copy of the original text. I own the Hoffman translation and though I found it a satisfactory read I could tell it was still the scrubbed version.
>>11604901
I would never deny that Junger was basically some kind of flavour of Nazbol but I will chimp the fuck out at anyone who adopts him as some kind of marionette mascot for their online larping. It was for the world and for Junger a historical phase that is over

>>11604857
I've read it, but did not take enough time while doing it, so I feel like i missed out on something. I preferred Eumeswil, but I felt they complement each other. I can't remember if the anarch is mentioned in Forest Passage, but there is definetly some precursors to what would become the idea of the anarch.
I recommend getting it directly from Telos ( http://www.telospress.com/store/#!/The-Forest-Passage-paperback/p/30633407/category=4186633 )

>>11607062
Sounds like the only definitive experience is the 1924 German one then unfortunately

>>11607062
Original edition isn't hard to find. It's the Howard Fertig edition. Stop acting like a monkey.

>>11604614
no, lol

>>11607463
Its x2 as expensive minimum as the Penguin edition online and if you're interested in first editions good luck. Probably a PDF around though. Many years ago when I looked this stuff was difficult to even get info on but it looks a lot easier now

>>11604193

On Pain and then The Glass Bees.

>>11604227
Jünger won't be ruined by a handful of 'far right' men reading him, you must know that was the case before ww2 also considering your reply. Evola's metaphysical research and work isn't ruined because people took interest in his politics which wasn't very good although they all quite misunderstood it since they likely didn't even read him but instead just a horribly written wikipedia page that had been changed from its original state and just got the word superfascist and him encouraging rape out of it, the latter point practically being a lie from some garbage article as a source.
Jüngers later work and his archetypes are fantastic and he'll only get more recognition as more of his work gets translated, I can imagine him gaining as much of an acknowledgement as Martin Heiddeger in the following years. An author doesn't get ruined, and if he gets misunderstood it won't be for more than like ~5 years.
These guys exclusively reading Storm of Steel and On Pain will forget him or read his latter work and then either dismiss him or come closer to self realization.

>>11607648
>I can imagine him gaining as much of an acknowledgement as Martin Heiddeger in the following years
There was a book on the correspondence between Heiddeger and Junger published recently, Heiddeger being perhaps the only man who could make Junger look like a brainlet. I'm currently reading Being and Time at the moment and can certainly see the same kinds of questions being posed by Heidegger that you find in Junger's work. So with the renewed interest in Heidegger I think Junger might follow in the swell. His work is extremely timely and as I've been trying to bash into peoples heads in this thread is his nationalism and "nazbol" shit was a product of his time and place. It was a historical phase that passed him and the world by and I don't personally have an issue with it at all. Just understanding Junger requires that historical context which people wilfully ignore. However, a bunch of larpers on 4chan aren't going to determine how the English speaking world receives him you're right and so as more of his work is slowly translated we'll see him get the hearing he should have got 40 years ago.