/lit/ - Literature

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Loveliest lady.

Brandon Sanderson.

So who else reads Matthew Reilly? His Jack West books are fantastical in scope and quite enjoyable, despite having writing that makes Sanderson look prosaic.

>last dino book read
pic related
>next dino book you're planning to read
Dunno, maybe reread Jurassic Park
>how do you help to keep dinos extinct?
Not gonna fund shady park owners

>>11590237
They are alive and well in both my input stack and my heart.

>>11590259
sanderfag a hack

>>>>11589338
this is the most brainlet question ever asked. Denna isn't even a POV character or anyone we get to know well
the real answer is all these whores are written by incel authors so they're all shit
shit shit shit
why hasn't anyone mentioned queen shit Sabetha from the Locke Lamora books? Fucking hell the author literally wrote his divorced wife in the story as the protagonist's love interest but ofcourse she blueballs and cucks him on par with Denna
why do these cuck authors insist on writing bitch tier characters? WHY

>>11590347
What's so terrible about him and his works? Are there not enough dinosaurs for the theme of this thread?

Read a new translation if possible as the old one contain some minor errors that fuck up continuity! Downloads at the usual place.

Okay rabbitboy I'm going to edit your novel one time real quick because I'm pretty sure I can get all of my minor complaints out after one chapter and not feel a need to note them every time going forward
I know I said no liveblogging but just one more
Mentioned the hyphenated adjectives in the last thread
";" is like ", and" is like "." - complete sentences on both sides of each, not phrases
Use ellipsis in dialogue maybe 5-10% of the time and almost never in narration, and when you do, I'm pretty sure the first letter after should be capitalized
Don't put the cart before the horse and expect it to know where to take it - the footnote at the beginning made no sense where it was, but would have made sense had it been at the end of the chapter
(In this specific case if the planet was not named Earth what was being said would be more understandable, but as a general rule, books should largely read left to right with few speedbumps)
Second person works for a "quirky" narrator, and I like what you're doing there, but don't just drop that tone for an action sequence, keep it consistent even if it means skipping over some combat details because they're not something the narrator-character would focus on

Mechanics aside that is a legitimately compelling first chapter, it seems like you got all the boring parts of the hero's journey out of the way in a scene where there's more interesting things to focus on anyways, so I'm looking forward to seeing where it goes and will leave you a cool Amazon good boy point when I'm done with it

>>11590347
No!

>>11590237
>last dino book read
Conan counts, right?
>next dino book you're planning to read
Gormenghast
>how do you help to keep dinos extinct?
You absolute what

>>11590351
To make themselves feel better

What are people’s opinions of Joe Abercrombie’s First Law books? Have seen some stuff about them having shit pacing and I really can’t deal with another meandering series

>>11590361
Thank you very much for the corrections and I'm glad you've enjoyed it so far. I hope the rest of the book won't drop the ball.

>>11590432
Most fantasy books take about a dozen volumes, each with five hundred or more words, to say anything important. The First Law isn't really an exception to this rule.

>>11590244
Would you have made the new thread?
I wouldn't be on for the next 12 hours.

>>11590437
If this is your first book, keep writing
If this is your second book, hire an editor for the third
Actually hire an editor anyways
I'm reminded of the better aspects of Earthsea, and it would be a shame if that did not catch you some recognition at some point on account of editing

>>11590432
They are great, worth reading for Glokta alone
fucking read it nigger or stfu it's only 3 small books

>>11590432
I fucking hate it.
The pacing is fine to me, but the way he went about subverting every fantasy trope he could pisses me off no end.

>>11590432
I really like them and I didn't find his books meandering at all, to me he's one of the less indulgent authors in terms of plot and pacing. Also not a lot of cringey fedora self-insert crap with his work.

He's from the generation of Scott Lynch and Rothfuss and I think he's a much better author than either of them. Also unlike them he's kept up a solid release schedule and shown a willingness to improve and try new things with new books.

>>11590432
Better than most of the shit people drone on about here.

>>11590505
I just read to be entertained I could not give a shit about literary tropes or expressions or whatever
something you niggers should start doing too
whatever happened to reading books for fun? JUST

>>11590531
It's kind of the thing, though: it's almost as if he was trying to tear down all the fun by subverting all those tropes. Like he was so much smarter than them.

>>11590541
There was plenty of fun you sad sack.

>>11590545
The random band of missfits going on an adventure and growing as a result and saving the day is fun to me.

>>11590237
>last dino book read
The Lost World

>next dino book you're planning to read
Whatever the next one I find is.

>how do you help to keep dinos extinct?
What? I wrote a story about hunting dinosaurs when I was 13. Does that count?

Reading the Glokta chapters was fun as hell

>>11589913
>Dresden Files
I was actually looking something a bit more serious. Like Constantine, but better written. And without half-vampire heroines dressed in tight leather pants

>Bartimaeus Trilogy
Not that is just mean anon.

>>11590208
Dude those are not your American LARPers. Those are hard core Euro re-enacters, as evidence by the melee in the background and just how handy that dude was with an axe.
Sometimes you just want to Luddite out for a weekend.

>>11590232
>>11590059
I think that was an ax akshually. Also I like to think there was an honor duel over the drone later on.

dino books should be used for the fossil fuel they are

>>11590572
If you want something serious you shouldn't be reading urban fantasy.

>>11590574
Are there any good sci-fi dino books besides the Jurassic Park?

>>11590584
But anon I just wanted to take a break between reading Tolstoyevski.

>>11590594
>>11590572
Why are you always posting 3dpigs on the literature board?
Are they authors?
Stop posting random vaginas.

>>11590259
the man, the meme, the mediocrity

>>11590645
>3dpigs
Oh you poor soul.

>>11590733
I'm still mad there's no footage of her ass.

>>11590259
The mormon chad

>>11590875
ultra chad

>>11590259
What's so terrible about his work again? It seems entertaining enough far as I've read.

>>11590895
Wooden writing and none of his stuff is really "ambitious". It's like, he spends a lot of time filing off the rough edges, but that file also smooths over stuff that otherwise might stand out.

>>11590895
They are entertaining, the main criticism that seems fair is that he pushes too many mediocre novels instead of taking his time to write one that is actually good.
He is also not very good with character development, I would say it is his weakest point, but then again I couldn't care less I just read his stuff cause I like the magic systems he comes up with.

>>11590895
He's really bad at writing characters that are supposed to be 'cool' or funny. Embarrassingly so.

>>11590895
He's the Big Bang Theory of fantasy writers.

>>11590645
Based homo poster

>tfw haven't read a book in months

>>11590951
Go read Shogun

>>11590967
You go read Shogun.

>>11590967
>>11591019
Both of you go read Shogun.

Hell, let's all read Shogun.

Post your current reading list. Pic related is mine

>>11591106

>>11591106
there is no autism greater than trekkie autism

>>11591134
You've never met a Gravity Falls fan have you

>>11591139
Different type of autism 2bh.

>>11591139
show me a flow chart as majestic as that if you want me to believe

>>11591142
>being autistic about types of autism

That's how you know you're also an autist.

Posted this in the other thread but it dead:

I've been playing with this story idea for a few hours now, this is what I've got so far. Let me know if it's shit or deritive but I've basically only got a beginning and end.

Basically a portal to another world thing book with young teenagers as the stars.

Premise is basically the same as Finland before WW2. Soviet union simmilar figure are going to make territorial claims and it's pretty much a matter of when not if they attack. Government has begun moving people away from the border including our protaganist and his boarding-school pupils.

The protag is a fairly mild-mannered kid from a poor background, smart, got leadership qualities but doesn't really know it because he's been more of a loner. He's not looking forward to being evacuated home to the city in the west because he loves the countryside, very much a more rural person than Urban. Also he's scared of returning becuase his Dad has an undiagnsed illness that's basically making him wither and frail, he doesn't want to see the man he admires and views as his ultimate role model get into a worse and worse state physically etc.

So the protag and a couple of other kids are some of the few whose parents haven't picked them up(basically each kid is a reflection of difference stances on the upcoming war, so one is like a self-hating pro-soviet who thinks the only reason they're invading is because his country has been greedy and hasn't shared their wealth as they could, another kid is basically the kind who thinks everyone else will come to save them and that the British/americans will run in at the last minute and beat the soviets back, protag is pretty uninterested and doesn't have an opinion but throughout the piece becomes more of a "it's our duty to defend ourselves and no-one is going to fight out battles for us" kind of guy, and there's a kid who just tries to be overly diplomatic and takes the middleground in every argument trying to please everyon). They're going to be transported by truck by the school caretaker and a teacher.

But they don't make it home. Truck slips on ice or some shit and goes off a bridge into the water below. Whole thing fades to black as they drown and the kid thinks he's dying.

>>11591329
Kids ain't dead. They're pulled out of our world into some other land/dimension/spirit world/whatever and things basically become pretty Narnia for them(Think some kind of middling fantasy bullshit with a couple escalating vllains of the week which symbolise key urban and rural problems(poverty, racial injustice, etc) untill the big bad comes at them (genocide or some shit) and they manage to unite all of the bullshit fairytale creatures and defeat them. Things move from harry potter levels of danger to YA shit to very hard fantasty stuff escalating as the story advances.

So they've beaten the big bad and they live happily ever after. But it's been a few years and they're all aging at a normal rate, they think they'll never return home so they actually settle down and build families etc. Until some shit comes up and they have to take a ship to a place or something, ship goes down in a storm and everyone drowns, wakes up on the lakeside in the real world after having been pulled out. They're basically all emotionally fucked, begging to be sent back in where their families and friends all are, one tries running back and drowning himself hoping to go back but is stopped by the caretaker/teacher

Overtime the kids slowly forget their experiences in the land after they get home. The war starts before the protag gets home though and his family are killed in an air raid or some shit. He's the only one not forgetting and it's fucking him up. He begins stalking the other members of the group who begin to think it was all just a game they played together. Book ends in tears as he confronts the person he started a family with in the fantasy world, person who he had a kid with, and she can't even remember. He's just there in fucking pieces and nobody knows why, he can't do anything about it.
Does this sound too shit or is there something I could use?

>>11590919
this is the biggest offense. shallan is irredeemable
>>11590908
>>11590903
stormlight archives is supposed to be his "big" novel. he's said many times that this is the series he's wanted to make for the last 20 years or whatever and is his loveletter to fantasy. which really makes me wish he'd stop putting out all these YA sidenovels and just focus on stormlight.

Just finished world of cultivation

What next

>>11590432

>>11590549
They didn't accomplish a single goddamn thing.

What the fuck happened? How could the sequels have turned out so awful?

>>11590432
Don't do it, anon. Don't!

>>11591339
It might be that the YA stuff is just what he writes to take a break from the big projects. Sort of a blow-off valve to keep himself from getting writers block or from getting bored with stuff.

>>11590432
They're not the worst things I've ever read, but I'll never reread them. Making every character unlikeable just because is an instant turn off for me and the story isn't otherwise interesting enough to make up for it.

>>11591420
I just finished my first AR book, Revenger. Honestly, it wasn't good. I did love the unique setting of it however, which had me glued. An old, decaying dyson swarm is too cool to not read about. I was thinking of starting Revelation Space next, but not if the rest of the series is awful. Would it be comparable to The Culture series?

>>11591561
This, they're all shitty. Combined with nothing happening other than the occasional Hulk-out by the Bloody-Nine, it's all a waste of time.

I finished Permutation City.
I didn't understand the inclusion of the Riemann or Peer subplots at all.
I was expecting a greater twist or some such.
I enjoyed all the dialogue and monologue and musings on consciousness and what makes you you.

>>11591420
The space chase in Redemption Ark was the best part of the trilogy.

>>11591585
Revelation space itself is great, and it ends well enough that you shouldn't feel too compelled to read the sequels.

>>11590432
first law trilogy is alright, bad ending in my opinion
stand alones are trash-tier
shattered sea is ok, I've only read the first one though

>>11590895
>struggles to contain her awesomeness

>>11591150
pretty sure frequenting 4chan is a pretty good indicator of Autism

Why do Russian sci fi books always have lore dumps?

>>11591886
russians like lore.

>>11591886
dont you dare badmouth roadside picnic

>>11591917
I'm luke warm mouthing Hard to Be a God, but also hatemouthing the first Metro book

>>11591420
Fuck AR
I tried to read Revenger and House of Suns and ended up returning both of them
I just hate the way he writes, both of them felt so lazy and uninspired, and not because of the subject matter

>>11591128
>tfw this was not to be

>>11591019
>>11591051
I am going to read Shogun again. That book was fucking good.

>>11591439
>>11591329
The set up is very Narnian but it’s the execution that matters. Do it well and it’s fine but if it’s not great then it might be called a rip off. The novel I’m working on has an definite Zelaznian influence

>>11591658
>I was expecting a greater twist or some such.
Egan isn't huge on "twists" in my experience. He likes to let his ideas play out. Both of those subplots are really just showing you how weird things could really get, that Egan's just showing you "relatable" characters on purpose, I think.

>>11591931
Hard to Be a God got substantially better when I realized that the "king" is Stalin and Reba = Beria.

>>11590886
mmm I'd fuck that if it wasn't a sin.

>>11591339
Yeah I know that but I genuinely cannot judge since I haven't started stormlight archives, I wanted to finish off his other works before jumping in on that one.

Would /sffg/ recommend the anime Legend of the Galactic Heroes for space opera kino?

>>11592177
The old one yeah, the new one not so much. Also the English translation of the first book was pretty disappointing.

Is Riftwar any good?

>>11592195
It's a big step up in quality from Eddings but in the same ballpark as a pulpy page turner. I enjoyed the Riftwar Saga trilogy but after that tedium started to set in and I lost interest.

>>11592195
Magician is the best part of Riftwar, the last two books are merely okay, but the trend they set for the rest of Feist's books in that setting is the real downer. There's serious power creep in the series that just made me lose interest after about 15 books.

I really liked the Daughter of the Empire trilogy that Feist cowrote with Janny Wurts though. It's set parallel to the events in Riftwar but from the other side's perspective, and it's a lot more focused on political intrigue. Also it has a lot more sex.

If you're interested in reading beyond the Riftwar saga, the Serpent War sort of follows the same pattern as Riftwar: first two books are pretty good, Roo and Erik are great characters, but the last two get kinda stupid. I barely remember anything about the rest, except that Talon of the Silverhawk started off promising then just nosedived after one book.

>>11592285
Sounds kind of like Shannara. Far too long for it's own good

>>11592294
Well it's not really a continuous series. I never read Shannara so I don't know how that one works, but Feist tends to write in quartets or trilogies with time skips between them for the "main story" and then side trilogies like Legacy that are set alongside the main stories. For example, the Serpent War saga is set several decades after Riftwar and a lot of the original cast are very old or dead. But Riftwar Legacy is set pretty much concurrently with the mainline Riftwar books, and Daughter of the Empire happens exactly parallel to the mainline Riftwar saga.

The issue though is that some of the key characters are basically immortal and persist throughout the books and they really should've been written out of the story ages ago.

>>11591399
Reverend Insanity.

>MC's childhood friend/first crush that gets set up to be his true love actually gets sidelined and he ends up fucking a former antagonist and is with her at the end while the first girl dies somehow

Started reading this recently. Best SF I've read in years. Kinda sad knowing not much will top it.

>>11591561
Glokta was far from unlikable

>>11592450
i thought bloody nine and the dogman were pretty likeable too

Can't believe I was a teen when I borrowed HP7 from my local library and read it in two days
Booomer yeaah

>>11592407
Where does that happen?

>>11592407
gib examples.
mc never gets the villainess.

Anyone read Semiosis?

>>11590572
>>Dresden Files
>I was actually looking something a bit more serious. Like Constantine, but better written. And without half-vampire heroines dressed in tight leather pants

I just finished Storm Front, requesting this too. Storm Front felt pretty standard and I loved the Constantine movie. Anything like that out there?

>>11592543
dresden files changes its tone pretty fast in the fourth or fifth book. mc gets plotarmor up the ass that would make any marry sue be jealous. hes also a cuck at like two occasions.

>>11590895
>>11590259
>"Well," Shallan said to the captain, blushing but still eager to speak, "I was just thinking this: You say that my beauty coaxed the winds to deliver us to Kharbranth with haste. But wouldn't that imply that on other trips, my lack of beauty was to blame for us arriving late?"
>"Well...er..."
>"So in reality," Shallan said, "you're telling me I'm beautiful precisely one-sixth of the time."
>"Nonsense! Young miss, you're like a morning sunrise, you are!"
>"Like a sunrise? By that you mean entirely too crimson"-she pulled at her long red hair-"and prone to making men grouchy when they see me?"
>He laughed, and several of the sailors nearby joined in. "All right then," Captain Tozbek said, "you're like a flower."
>She grimaced. "I'm allergic to flowers."
>He raised an eyebrow.
>"No, really," she admitted. "I think they're quite captivating. But if you were to give me a bouquet, you'd soon find me in a fit so energetic that it would have you searching the walls for stray freckles I might have blown free with the force of my sneezes."
>"Well, be that true, I still say you're as pretty as a flower."
>"If I am, then young men my age must be afflicted with the same allergy-for they keep their distance from me noticeably." She winced. "Now, see, I told you this wasn't polite. Young women should not act in such an irritable way."

>The man pulling the machine was short and dark-skinned, with a wide smile and full lips. He gestured for Shallan to sit, and she did so with the modest grace her nurses had drilled into her. The driver asked her a question in a clipped, terse-sounding language she didn't recognize.
>"What was that?" she asked Yalb.
>"He wants to know if you'd like to be pulled the long way or the short way." Yalb scratched his head.
>"I'm not right sure what the difference is."
>"I suspect one takes longer," Shallan said.
>"Oh, you are a clever one." Yalb said something to the porter in that same clipped language, and the man responded.
>"The long way gives a good view of the city," Yalb said. "The short way goes straight up to the Conclave. Not many good views, he says. I guess he noticed you were new to the city."
>"Do I stand out that much?" Shallan asked, flushing.
>"Eh, no, of course not, Brightness."
>"And by that you mean that I'm as obvious as a wart on a queen's nose."
>Yalb laughed.

can't believe i fell for the meme. two chapters of fighting with no characterization worth a damn, then this autist

fucking DROPPED with the force of a thousand suns.

>>11592543
>women in chainmail and armor
lol

>>11590895
>>11590259
>"Well," Shallan said to the captain, blushing but still eager to speak, "I was just thinking this: You say that my beauty coaxed the winds to deliver us to Kharbranth with haste. But wouldn't that imply that on other trips, my lack of beauty was to blame for us arriving late?"
>"Well...er..."
>"So in reality," Shallan said, "you're telling me I'm beautiful precisely one-sixth of the time."
>"Nonsense! Young miss, you're like a morning sunrise, you are!"
>"Like a sunrise? By that you mean entirely too crimson"-she pulled at her long red hair-"and prone to making men grouchy when they see me?"
>He laughed, and several of the sailors nearby joined in. "All right then," Captain Tozbek said, "you're like a flower."
>She grimaced. "I'm allergic to flowers."
>He raised an eyebrow.
>"No, really," she admitted. "I think they're quite captivating. But if you were to give me a bouquet, you'd soon find me in a fit so energetic that it would have you searching the walls for stray freckles I might have blown free with the force of my sneezes."
>"Well, be that true, I still say you're as pretty as a flower."
>"If I am, then young men my age must be afflicted with the same allergy-for they keep their distance from me noticeably." She winced. "Now, see, I told you this wasn't polite. Young women should not act in such an irritable way."

>The man pulling the machine was short and dark-skinned, with a wide smile and full lips. He gestured for Shallan to sit, and she did so with the modest grace her nurses had drilled into her. The driver asked her a question in a clipped, terse-sounding language she didn't recognize.
>"What was that?" she asked Yalb.
>"He wants to know if you'd like to be pulled the long way or the short way." Yalb scratched his head.
>"I'm not right sure what the difference is."
>"I suspect one takes longer," Shallan said.
>"Oh, you are a clever one." Yalb said something to the porter in that same clipped language, and the man responded.
>"The long way gives a good view of the city," Yalb said. "The short way goes straight up to the Conclave. Not many good views, he says. I guess he noticed you were new to the city."
>"Do I stand out that much?" Shallan asked, flushing.
>"Eh, no, of course not, Brightness."
>"And by that you mean that I'm as obvious as a wart on a queen's nose."
>Yalb laughed.

can't believe i fell for the meme. two chapters of fighting with no characterization worth a damn, then this autist.

fucking DROPPED with the force of a thousand suns.

>>11592548
That's what I mean, I want something other than Dresden, I thought the first book was meh. I think something better can be done with a similar premise. What's the best Urban fantasy out there? I thought the Magicians was pretty great.

>>11592556
Try Vurt by Jeff Noon

>>11592554
Come now, it's a bit endearing seeing the shy girl find her bearings in this world. The Kaladin chapters are the best part of the books anyway, absolutely fun to read.

>>11592554
>ebin character development
bet you're the kind of fag who also loves Better Call Saul

>>11592556
urban fantasy is dominated with bad writing.
there really isn't any good stuff there that being said you might try >>11592563
haven't read it personally but i keep seeing it mentioned here and there so it might be good.

>>11592554
>two chapters of fighting with no characterization worth a damn
That was my impression after reading Mistborn book 1, cardboard characters and a book that read more like an rpg sourcebook for a magic system than a novel. Started book 2, more of the same bullshit, gave up on him.

>>11592524
Not the major villain. A character that starts opposed to the MC.

>>11592567
>endearing
its cringey as fuck. and worst of all, its bad writing
and i speak as someone who really enjoyed the novel, but i even i can see that shallan is awful

>>11592594
that also never happens.
i wish it would though. the closest thing i can think of is the relationship between tavi and kitai in codex aleria. it started off as kitai hating tavi until he saved her ass and she imprinted on him and then went all tsundere for his ass.

>>11592582
Fuck you niggers Kaladin alone is worth slogging through the series. Characterization is a meme anyway. Look at Better Call Saul.

>>11592563
>>11592575
Thanks gaibois

>>11592596
Guess I'm a brainlet for enjoying it lol

>>11592603
hey, im a brainlet too. i just dont enjoy the shallan chapters

>>11592601
>Characterization is a meme anyway
Really made me think.

>>11592572
>>11592567
these scenes are very bad, but the first one is especially horrific

>>11592582
as you say, the first chapter is some dumb prologue brooding men shit and then the 2nd chapter is 90% animu fight FILLER with 0 characterization and 10% "liiiiisssteeen to my dyyiiiinngg words this will be impoooortant in 600 pages maaaybe"

i like branderson as a person but he is a shit writer. his world building, lore and magic systems are all shit

a good example is that 2nd prologue with szeth. he thinks somewhere in the chapter "because of X cultural custom, i need to make as much noise as possible when im coming to kill this guy so that they know i'm coming." this is fucking retarded--it is world building informed by what sanderson wants the characters to do, instead of having his character hit up against the world and have problems and try to solve them. sanderson said "i want my edge assassin to kill lots of guys XD" so he said "lets create some 'cultural quirk' that lets me do this with no conflict whatsoever".

none of sanderson's "world building" ever creates conflict for the characters. its all garbage. beyond that, none of it ever has any deeper justification.

>>11592616
found the exact words

>White to be bold. White to not blend into the night. White to give warning.
>For if you were going to assassinate a man, he was entitled to see you coming.

literally hurr durr tier. cultural customs that are wildly impractical and will result in those carrying them dying easier aren't likely to stick around in a realistic world

>>11592616
Who cares lad just read it and get your rocks off LOL
>ebin characterization and conflict
these are just fictional characters, if I want depth and conflict I'd talk to people in real life

>>11592626
Fuck realistic, it's a world where men fly and fight in magic armor. Besides szeth can afford to make a show of assassinating his target, he's OP as hell against normie soldiers.

>>11592638
very bad reply

>>11592638
>Besides szeth can afford to make a show of assassinating his target, he's OP as hell against normie soldiers.

do that in 300 or 500 words, not 3000 or 5000

>>11592632
very bad reply

>>11592638
>Besides szeth can afford to make a show of assassinating his target, he's OP as hell against normie soldiers.

do that in 300 or 500 words, not 3000 or 5000

>>11592626
>complaining about realism in EPIC FANTASY
Christ Almighty. I'm not even a fan of Sanderson, but you'd have to be especially fucking retarded to say stupid shit like this.

>>11592652
nah you're stupid. realism of power level isnt the same as realism of custom. so because there's these big ol epic swords you cant create customs that arent wildly impractical and actually make sense? don't think so.

he espouses his worldbuilding. his fans do. it's garbo. deal with it

>>11592638
>>11592652
Okay, so the world has magic and dragons. But would any of those allow for otherwise impractical cultural customs to make a lick of a sense?

Sure, it's a fantasy world, but it has to make sense in its own terms. Otherwise everything will fall apart and the whole thing collapses into brainlet-tier "lol rule of cool" faggotry.

>>11592651
Woahh shit I got a bad grading from some anon on a Mongolian chessboard forum, fuck I'll cry now

>>11592665
Rule of cool nigger
read books and have fun, you're not paid to pick them apart all it'll do is make you waste time over things that don't matter

>maas wrote a catwomen book
oh for fucks sake

>>11592671
fine you get an A+

>>11592675
cant be tolkien reborn with that mindset

>>11592689
Sanderson never aimed to be like Tolkien, he's the McDonald's of fantasy authors. GRRM on the other hand, that man would give anything to be called Tolkien.

>>11592675
>read books and have fun, you're not paid to pick them apart all it'll do is make you waste time over things that don't matter
I'm not picking things apart, these things just stand out for me naturally.

>>11592680
the try not to wife challenge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVzm-nIFRaY

>>11592661
You are extremely stupid. I mean EXTREMELY stupid.

>>11592665
>impractical cultural customs
I'm not gonna make this thread political by bringing up specific examples, but all you have to do is look at today's horrid modern cultures and realize there's TONS of impractical bullshit.

>>11592822
That being said that one nation or whatever whose warrior caste is on the bottom rung of society? That was very, very difficult to accept. In fact I thought it was really dumb. I don't remember if it was ever explained why they'd chose to be in the shittiest caste.

>>11592675
plebaf.mobi

>>11592848
I'll tell you why he put it in there; because he's a leftist ideologue. He created a culture where violence had been relegated to the periphery of society, and where those who practice it are looked down upon. The workers and the farmers , the ones who toil with the hammer and the sickle, achieved mastery over those who live by predation and inflicting misery, as is right and proper, and as our own society must be. Does it make sense? No, it doesn't, but neither does making women more intelligent than men.

>>11592697
>GRRM
are you kidding? have you heard the things he's said about tolkien? if anything he wants to be the anti-tolkien.

>>11592716
What's this obsession with absolute nobodies? Not just on /lit but on whole of 4chan. Where do you people dredge up all these YT/Insta/Twatter shitters? Can't go three minutes without someone posting someone's Twitter or Youtube diarrhea.

>>11592822
>You are extremely stupid. I mean EXTREMELY stupid.

yet you cant say why and you dont substantiate your "point" with anything.

i can go on. the fact that women are essentially the only ones who read in this world (for no reason) but (inexplicably still) do not rule is fucking retarded. they have EDITORIAL CONTROL over their culture. they're in the position to brainwash anyone they teach and yet they're on the lowest power rung. dude... what

not to mention that the guys literally bring their women along with them, just so they can read to them, even during war. yes, it's totally worth bringing along your vulnerable wife so she can read you books. because that's not a cultural norm that wouldn't get shredded to pieces when met with the slightest of difficulty or anything.

not to mention men are apparently in charge of commerce and money EVEN THOUGH THEY CANT READ A FUCKING LEDGER. opening themselves up to all kinds of abuse: "don't worry, i have my women to balance the books for me!"

the problem is, really, that you're just a dumbshit who's happy with paper-thin """"""""world-building"""""""" which is pure novelty and is always tangential to the story

>but all you have to do is look at today's horrid modern cultures and realize there's TONS of impractical bullshit.

yet all of that has reasons for why it's there. that's absent in sanderson's books

Reading a print copy of a book you wrote yourself feels like some literary equivalent to masturbation.

>>11592938
The good part or the part where you're filled with shame and self-loathing?

>>11592944
Yes

>>11592930
It all boils down to his leftism really. I keep saying this and people go "hur dur he's a mormon." It doesn't matter. Sanderson's world-building is driven and informed solely by his ideology. Does it make practical sense to have cultures that renounce violence or ones that put women in de facto charge? Of course not (they'll die out in a single generation), but it makes ideological sense, and that's all that matters. If your novel can "make a change," change people's perception, make them believe that women are better than men, or that we can live in egalitarian harmony if we just give up our guns, then all other considerations of consistency and believability are secondary.

>>11592944
>>11592946
Or the bit where you'd really like someone else to give it a try but they never will because there are so many better ones out there, so you clutch it in your hand and cry?

I wonder if the dude who was reading the self-published furry book will check back with an update.

>>11592974
He said he'd let us know when he's done. Or when something inexcusably horrible gets him to drop it. Whichever comes first.

>>11592948
>>11592906
fucking hell, lefties are scum of the earth. Now I hate Sanderson
it's so fucked. Sanderson/Martin/Lynch/Rothfuss are all turbo lefties. They should be hanged and quartered

>>11593045
Seems like pretty much every mainstream fantasy writer under 50 is left-leaning politically. Larry Correia's the only conservative I can think of with a significant following,

>>11593086
not just left they're all out onions tier left
too bad all these authors pale in comparison to based Tolkien hehee stay seething Martin

>>11592919
Pure jealousy on Martin's part tbqh.

>>11593045
Rothfuss is especially bad.

>>11592930
Literacy before industrial times was mostly a meme, though. Most people(over 98%) simply didn’t know how to read, and the educated groups other than the clergy were largely ignored and left to their own devices.

What are some decent romances in Fantasy that build up somewhat properly and aren't filled with dumb drama and love triangles and actually have a satisfying conclusion? I just finished the Codex Alera and while the series as a whole was pretty meh, I did like the romance between the MC and his barbarian waifu.

Yo has anyone here read the fucking mess that is the demon cycle by Peter V Brett? I feel like the first book was so good in terms of theming and unique magic and setting but good lord did he go off the rails. He went full GRRM with the concurrent story lines and BS political war before trying to cram an ending into the last third of the 5th book of what had been shaping up to be a 10 part series. And then having left about a thousand loose ends. it's like Paolini all over again.

>>11592948

lol

So I just finished the seventh book of WoT and I need a break from Rand's rage and Aes Sedai smugness. Should I just keep slogging anons? I was looking for a quick witty series as a palate cleanser. Would you recommend the Wingfeather saga by Andrew Peterson or the Riyria Revelations by Sullivan?

>>11593105
he's the worst of the fucking lot. Did you know he 'invested' in an LGBT bookshop? Fucking lol, 10/10 financial decisions rotfuss

>>11593125
but we're talking about ~50% of the population knowing how

>>11593105
>being this jealous of your whore oneitis going out with a handsome customer
idk who's the bigger cuck, Kvothe or the customer for renting Denna's cunt when he could bang whomever he wants.

>>11593125
His point takes on meaning once you learn the author's a total lefty. It's all about ideologies

>>11593105
>you can fuck the shit out of the girl I love but I still win because I'm her friend and will always be with her even after you dumped your load inside her and move on to the next whore
I hate using this term because of how much of a buzzword it its these days, but Is this legitimately some sort of cuckold logic?

>>11590432
They were ok, the last one ends with a Wait What? moment and it's kinda jarring.

>>11593288
I like NTR and I've never seen that type of thinking before, so I don't think so. It seems like some pathetic way of coping with being friendzoned.

>>11592450
>>11592452
Jezel was goat

>>11592034
True. You're right, completely right.
Also many years back I watched a movie, maybe Thirteenth Floor, and IIRC, it was inspired by Permutation City but I cannot find anything supporting this so perhaps that movie was inspired by another book.

>>11593248
Sullivan is fucking garbage.

>>11593136
SJW shite tbqh, couldn’t stand it.

>>11593322
he's kind of an ass though, not what i'd call likeable

I'm aking a break from my Malazan re-read after Midnight Tides.

Currently reading Josiah Bancroft's Books of Babel series and it's alright. Just started book 2.

>>11593411
I'd agree with you until he gets injured in the second book, still in the first book he was such a stupid arsehole that it was funny.

>>11593250
>Fucking lol, 10/10 financial decisions rotfuss
You can't really count finance among his faults, he wrote two shitty books and managed to become one of the rich fat fucks of literature.

if you were reading an epistolary novel that was composed of unpublished chapters of writing or journal entries from a variety of characters, would occasional typos/grammatical errors help in its verisimilitude or would be it more annoying than anything else? would it help if the errors are worse in some of the characters' writing but less frequent in others?

>>11592450
Yeah, all crippled torturers are likable....

Who else visualized the Stormlight characters as these dudes?
Left to right: Kaladin, Dalinar, Adolin.

>>11593505
Include an introduction by the "editor" that says he corrected misspellings, etc.

>>11593553
Low teste

>>11593561
hopefully just you

>>11593453
How did he do it?

>>11593561
>not visualizing the characters in any book you read as anime characters

>>11592407
Wheel of Time? Egwene got sidelined by book 4 if I recall.

>>11593644
But Rand doesn't fuck Lanfaer

>>11593553
nigger what
he's the most humane character in the series, unironically.

>>11593660
goddamnit I came this close to devil trips

>>11593664

>>11593658
Well the former Dragon did. That counts.

>>11593739
But then he dropped her for some thot

>>11593757
They are all thots anon

>>11593815
Lanfear would have been a faithful wife that woke Rand up every morning with freshly baked bread.

>>11592524
i don't understand why this never happens
is it too hard to write something like this?

>>11593876
if it's not hard why don't you do it?

>>11593927
Because I can barely string a sentence together on 4chan.

>>11593946
It's fine then, that makes you more qualified that a lot of writers.

>>11593876
Would the villainess still have to be a villain when they hook up? I might be going for a direction like that, but it's going to take a few books to know for sure.

>>11594073
It is basically the only way to do it without somehow changing the MC's character so he's suddenly cool with all the shit she's done

>>11594078
Well, he's maybe giving her a bit too much slack already.

>>11593822
Lanfear did nothing wrong

>>11594078
It could be a destructive hateromance.

>>11593948
I made 50 quid when the guardian published an article I wrote at 12
I also won a nation wide engrish competittion
do I have potential?

>>11593635
If I knew I would not be spending my life on 4chan.

>>11593136
Yea I liked the first book, then it all falls apart..
I didn’t even bother to read the last two books

>>11594176
Yeah, now go write and come back in a couple of years

>>11594304
>come back in a couple of years
why?

>download a copy of This Immortal
>it's actually Dune
Gosh that was weird.

>>11594176
>the guardian
No

In the event of you ever publishing a book, where and how would you advertise it?

>>11594402
Self published you mean? Otherwise I imagine it's taken care of for you.

>>11594410
I mean even then you could probably use throwing it around. But yeah, self-published I guess.

>>11594374
they just messaged me and asked me if they could publish it in their sunday edition or something

>>11594402
I am facing the same issue. I plan to self publish through Amazon but my hold-up is whether or not to enroll in the KDP Select program with them. If I do, I have to make my work exclusive to them--which means no posting it on RRL or other sites like it (which might being in some readers, I don't know). The benefit is people with Kindle Unlimited can read my book (and I still get some amount of money, as determined by some formula of theirs). They also have promotions exclusive to KDP Select, like Kindle Countdown Deal and Free Book Promotion (although I no little of how exactly either of those work).

So, the question becomes: will I capture more readers by posting it free on RRL or will the KDP Select promotional tools bring in more people?

>>11594310
Potential needs to be turned into actual.

>>11592920
>393k yt subscribers
>145k ig followers
>her book is coming out next year
She might be a nobody to us but she’s working it and doing fine

I finally finished The Way of Shadows

>>11594791
Any good?

>>11594793
No

>>11594793
It was alright but it relied on the last quarter too much. Throughout the book it drags and drags but eventually it wraps up pretty well and there's some decent twists (some are shit, like the villain twist. Wouldn't be a problem if the book was half the size but if you take your time with it (like i did) you'll likely be a bit lost before everything weaves together for the finale. The magic was shit but i should mention that i usually don't like magic so that might not mean much.
I took so long with it that I'm probably not giving a good review, but that's partially a fault of the novel for not gripping hard enough and me just not being into edgy assassin stories. Its the kind of book that would likely benefit from a second read, especially in my case, but i didn't enjoy it enough to warrant it. If i continue the trilogy i might give it another go, but right now I'm just happy to be rid of TWOS so i can continue with BotNS vol.3

>>11594856
Read the lightbringer. Sadly tight pussy 2 isn't coming out anytime soon.

>>11595011
I'm interested in it since I've heard its better in every way. Tight pussy 2?

>>11594786
she needs to work it on this PENIS if you know what i mean

hope the cuck just kills himself

Is Wheel of Time only popular because people started reading it when they were 13? This shit is boring.

>>11595149
that shirt
yeeks

>>11595149
Mentally ill liberals who spend fifty percent of their day preaching politics
The rest complaining about their mental illness....

Why don’t they just find God..

>>11595149
this... is... powerful.

>>11595149
this... is... POWERFUL!

>>11595149
He's got a vast host of adoring fans and - through them - a shitload of money. What the hell does he have to be depressed about?

>>11595181
love how they tied it to the big CC
zero bias
much impress

is r*ddit waking up

>>11595193
Too small pool. How many replies agree with him?

>>11595047
>Tight pussy 2?

>>11595269
I don't think I'm ready for Weeksposting grandpa

>>11595157
The first few books are decent and Jordan had a lot of great ideas but it very quickly fell apart and never recovered. It's not even worth reading because Sanderson fucked up the ending. So it all amounts to nothing.

>>11595157
>people started reading it when they were 13
And perhaps more crucially, there was fuck-all in fantasy to read when you were 13.

>>11593658
is THAT what nynaeve is supposed to look like?
i-i thought she was a farm girl

>>11595480
Farm girls dont end up with kings.

>>11595486
They do in fantasy.

>>11594856
>>11594793
no. way of shadows is probably the worst book ive ever read. its like an edgy 14 year old wrote it. an edgy assassin kid who has special powers and all the female characters are either pure goddesses or filthy whores. the guy doesnt know how to write and its a wonder how he ever got published.

>>11595486
>what are fairy tales

>>11595260
They're doing the typical passive aggressive route of "you're totally entitled to your opinion, however-". Also people are in there going on unironically about how Denna is their favorite character. God that place disgusts me.

reminder to spoiler your fucking spoilers you cunts

>>11595509
It's okay to spoil bad books.

>>11594402
i'd shill it on ess eff eff gee

>>11595523
you're right you know

>>11595533
There's like five guys here. That isn't going to do a whole lot.

>>11595193
The Name Of The Wind could have been, at least, solid if it had carried out the premise of a washed-up "rock star" hero (and Kvothe's literally a musician) bullshitting about the good old days. Unfortunately le beard man couldn't hack it.

>>11594507
I read an article written by a guy who did this and he found it contributed absolutely nothing to his sales and actually hampered his control (price, not being allowed to put it up a second time until 6 months passed or some shit). I didn't save it but he had a bad time.

>>11594402
i plan to make the entire first act + 5 chapters free. it's ~220pgs, which is the first arc of the book and all of the resolution plus the hook for the next arc. there's 600ish more pages, so it still incentivizes a buy.

i think making your book 100% free devalues your work and ensures it gets lost in a sea of shit, but. not to mention amazon kindle unlimited isn't free in the sense that anyone can read it, just free in the sense that if you're paying for kindle unlimited, you can read it.

why would i want my novel to be ostensibly free behind a paywall, given to an audience that has shitty taste and gobbles up bargain bin prose? everyone should be able to read the "free" portion.

>>11594507
>>11595567
The ad campaigns are also literally worthless: https://sellercentral.amazon.com/forums/t/my-ad-campaigns-are-not-getting-any-impressions-any-ideas/350389

>>11594402
i plan to make the entire first act + 5 chapters free. it's ~220pgs, which is the first arc of the book and all of the resolution plus the hook for the next arc. there's 600ish more pages, so it still incentivizes a buy.

i think making your book 100% free devalues your work and ensures it gets lost in a sea of shit. not to mention amazon kindle unlimited isn't free in the sense that anyone can read it, just free in the sense that if you're paying for kindle unlimited, you can read it.

why would i want my novel to be ostensibly free behind a paywall when i'm trying to promote it, given to an audience that has shitty taste and gobbles up bargain bin prose? everyone should be able to read the "free" portion.

>>11594402
Try asking self-published writers on twitter. I'm sure plenty of them would be more than happy to offer advice. In fact I'm sure they already offer advice on their twitters anyways.

Hey Straggler's Mask guy
I'm 1/3 of the way into your book and I seriously think, if it's possible, you should consider pulling it off KU and getting it edited and then submitting it to the trad chads
This is some of the best storytelling I've read in a while, you just need someone to fix errors and tell you when not to subvert your own tone
Like let your villains be dark for a minute, don't crack wise when they're pillaging a city
But other than those couple things there is seriously no reason for this to live beneath a mountain of KU garbage
Then again I don't know you and maybe you have your reasons for putting it there but I think this is a story you could rightly have some confidence in

Also if you do push an update to it, I'm currently imagining the bugbears as basically furry Asura from GW2 and it works pretty well
I think it might do you well if you highlighted some of their more rabbit-like aspects to make them more appealing in that sort of direction though
Like in that first scene where he catches a rabbit, that might be a good place to compare the two
And when the guy later calls him a rat-dog in Floris maybe change that descriptor around a bit
That's probably a bit easier to act on than "fix the errors"
Anyways best of luck, I'll be leaving a good review and probably a rec on Reddit assuming the back half isn't just Rick roll lyrics copy/pasted a thousand times

>>11595592
Traditional publishing is dying, anon.

>>11595592
Thanks a bunch.

I basically went with KU in the first place because I'm new at this and someone recommended it to me: since then people like >>11595567 >>11595579 as well as yourself have put a dent on my belief that it would do any good to me. But I'm fairly sure I can't pull it out for another five months, so I'm a bit stuck.

Thanks for the review, and the good word. Maybe it gets someone else here to give it a read, who knows. If you feel like shilling it up elsewhere, that'd be great too, but I'm not holding it to you if you don't feel like it.

>>11595415
why am I a grandpa?
Because I use old memes?

>>11595523
then every book in these threads would be spoiled you knob

>>11593642
based & red pilled

>>11595662
Except for anything written by Guy Gavriel Kay

>>11595592
>>11595614
also for the straggler's mask guy (but i'm not >>11595592, i'm someone different). i was thinking of saying this before, but i'll do it now:

your synopsis is very muddled.

>Last night Peal didn't even know what stars looked like. Today he stands as the final, desperate lifeline for a coming golden era. No pressure. I know what you're thinking - just look at the poor creature - but when your hero drops dead in the forest before the whole quest even starts, you can't afford to be picky with stand-ins. So we saddle Peal with the name, the mask, and all the responsibilities of this dead human, tell him to forget all his personal affairs like rites of passage or that girl he fancied, and push him out there to see whether he might actually be worth something. You wouldn't bet on that, and neither would he. He quivers just thinking about the quest he's been put on. How is he supposed to protect and babysit these oversized cretins, when all he's good for is staying out of sight? How can he find the path when he's never been outside his burrow before? Any chance anyone could even give him a hug? Peal's face is covered under that mask now. It conceals his meekness and gives him courage. And the stars no longer look so grand.

i've re-edited it below. it's not perfect, and you can tweak it, but i think it's a lot more readable.

>Peal didn't even know what stars looked like. Now he stands as the final, desperate lifeline for a coming golden era. His shoulders droop with the burdens heaped upon him, acting as a stand-in for the hero who bungled this affair before him. He has the name, the mask, and all the responsibilities of this dead human, and must forget all personal affairs. Who would bet on him? Not he. He quivers just thinking about this quest. How can he babysit these oversized cretins, when all he's good for is staying out of sight? How can he find the path when he's never been outside his burrow? Is there a chance, however small, that someone could give him a hug?
>(New paragraph, for emphasis.)
>Peal's face is covered under that mask now. It conceals his meekness and gives him courage. And the stars no longer look so grand.

>>11595592
>>11595614
also for the straggler's mask guy (but i'm not >>11595592, i'm someone different). i was thinking of saying this before, but i'll do it now:

your synopsis is very muddled.

>Last night Peal didn't even know what stars looked like. Today he stands as the final, desperate lifeline for a coming golden era. No pressure. I know what you're thinking - just look at the poor creature - but when your hero drops dead in the forest before the whole quest even starts, you can't afford to be picky with stand-ins. So we saddle Peal with the name, the mask, and all the responsibilities of this dead human, tell him to forget all his personal affairs like rites of passage or that girl he fancied, and push him out there to see whether he might actually be worth something. You wouldn't bet on that, and neither would he. He quivers just thinking about the quest he's been put on. How is he supposed to protect and babysit these oversized cretins, when all he's good for is staying out of sight? How can he find the path when he's never been outside his burrow before? Any chance anyone could even give him a hug? Peal's face is covered under that mask now. It conceals his meekness and gives him courage. And the stars no longer look so grand.

i've re-edited it below. it's not perfect, and you can tweak it, but i think it's a lot more readable.

>Peal didn't even know what stars looked like. Now he stands as the final, desperate lifeline for a coming golden era. His shoulders droop with the burdens heaped upon him. He's only acting as a stand-in for the hero who bungled this affair before him. Peal has the name, the mask, and all the responsibilities of this dead human, and must forget all personal affairs. Who would bet on him? Not he. He quivers just thinking about this quest. How can he babysit these oversized cretins, when all he's good for is staying out of sight? How can he find the path when he's never been outside his burrow? Is there a chance, however small, that someone could give him a hug?
>(New paragraph, for emphasis.)
>Peal's face is covered under that mask now. It conceals his meekness and gives him courage. And the stars no longer look so grand.

>>11595689
based, redpilled and cultured

>>11595715
Thank you too. I appreciate people here doing their best to help me out and I'll definitely take that into consideration.

It looks like I'll have a bit of editing to do anyway: might as well fix this part too.

The first time I put this book out it even had a fucking typo in the cover. You can still see it in the first print copies I had ordered for myself before I noticed. I mean I'm really glad you like it but it's honestly been kind of an embarrassing first showing in more ways than one.

I am a casual and I just ordered this on Thriftbooks for $5.58. How bad did I fuck up

>>11592420
Brilliant author.

>>11595600
Bullshit man
You want a movie deal? You better have a Jewish guy at your publishing company know some Jewish guy in Hollywood

>>11595614
It's not all bad, KU might work out anyhow, you'll at least get some money out of it since I'm reading
You could also just David Lynch it
David Lynch has gotten away with telling the same story for about twenty years
In his movies the theme is always "someone is not who they should be/think they are"
The theme in yours, which I think is genius, is someone inheriting a title and having to fill it
They get some boons from it, and they're respected because people can't distinguish them from the concept they represent, but they have to earn that respect
It's the more-solid version of the chosen one archetype
Just, like, find another way to write that, and draft it while TSM is stuck in KU

>>11595879
I'm kind of way ahead of you in that sense: I'm working on another project right now that involves another young hero-to-be taking over. I even have one or two more like that on the planning stage, though I've also been working on books with entirely different themes.

Thanks for the word of confidence. The next book's definitely going to get an edit and will probably be published through a different avenue.

Finished pic related today and I'm wondering if the meme "you have to read it twice to get it" is true? I found the plot to be meandering a bit too much. The second part of the book (exile and travels around Nessus) felt at times like a psychedelic trip instead of some kind of story with an arc. How is the rest of the series? Keeps a similar pace?

>>11595950
Rage quit when he actually tortured his waifu.

>>11595957

I was kinda rooting for her suffering. Their delusions of freedom really irked me for some reason. Subverted my expectations though, I was anticipating a daring escape.

>>11595950
>you have to read it twice to get it
Or you could just never touch the pile of shit again and be all the happier for it.
It's actually the worst /sffg/ meme.

>>11595971
>It's actually the worst /sffg/ meme.

this

>>11594410
The big publishing houses expect you to do marketing these days.

>>11594402
I’d join up with other newbie published authors to cross promote on our blogs, do giveaways of our books, interview each other, post cat and bookstagram other ppls stuff on IG, try to be clever on Twitter while reetweeting people better at it than me, etc

>>11596060
>>11595971
literal brainlets
>>11595950
yes, read it twice. theres some guys who do a great podcast and breakdown a lot of what happens in the book.

>>11595816
I haven’t read it but Dozois was one of the big editors and the series was good enough to keep itself going. Ted Chiang’s Story Of Your Life is in this and it’s possible my favorite short story.

Fatfuck Rothfuss could stop his depression by working out, not having pozzed beliefs and spending time daily writing the third novel. Sitting around immersed in his hyper leftie bubble listening to his fans calling him god and not doing an ounce of writing on top of being a fat cunt won't do wonders for anyone's health. How can he not realize this? Is he incapable of self introspection? I guess that question answers itself when I see his Joss Whedon shirt.

>>11596381
>hahaha dude just stop being depressed lmao

>>11596388
This but unironically.

>>11596388
This but unironically.

>>11596388
I mean the way he goes with it sure doesn't help.

>>11596388
>haha dude don't change the things in your life which has led you to become depressed

>>11596381
>self introspection

what'd he mean by this

>>11596271
>Ted Chiang’s Story Of Your Life is in this and it’s possible my favorite short story.
This one did come up in several reviews I read

>>11596388
>being around whiny shitty turbo lefties and lgbt cunts
>being an author but not writing a single word, basically NEET tier
>is fat, unhealthy and definitely lazy
>have nothing to live for, to strive for, just rot in your little hell and live off the 2 books you wrote while you pretend you're some professional celebrity
if he stopped being a turbo so yboy, started eating healthy, getting some exercise in instead of sitting at his desk eating pizza and playing video games and ACTUALLY FUCKING WRITING SINCE THAT'S WHAT HIS CALLING IS AND HE HAS DENIED IT, I'm sure he would find a lot more fulfillment out of his life. His is an existential depression caused by rotting of the mind and the body, it's not like his loved one died or he accidentally deleted his Doors of Stone manuscript.

>" I’ve lived so many other lives in so many other worlds."
in other words Pat is sad his life pales in comparison to his fantasy protagonist Kvothe

>>11595188
Reminds me of how Notch sold out his company to Microsoft and bought a massive mansion in LA, and is now depressed because his only friends are the ants consuming the wall of candy dispensers he had installed.

>>11595188
it's not that kind of depression, it's the one you get when you don't have anything to strive towards in life.

>>11596582
Well maybe he shouldn't have made him such a fucking Gary Stu.

>>11596590
Ants make better friends than humans.

>>As he finished the last hand-seal, Lin Dong took a step forward. He immediately slammed his palm into a tree trunk, which was as thick as two thighs, right ahead of him.

The hand-seal exploded and the thick tree was immediately blown apart. Numerous wooden shrapnels flew in every direction.

plz stop

>>11596564
seriously, how is Rothfuss not a NEET? what does he actually do?

>>11596388
this, but actually

>>11596733
He wrote a couple books, and is sort of trying to write a third one? It'd count as a job, I think - kind of like you getting laid off your job and looking for a new one even if times are a bit hard right now.

>>11596733
larps as a socialite, runs charities, invested in an lgbt bookshop, goes to conventions 24/7, wastes time making card games or some such nonsense and eats shitty food while playing video games.

>>11596766
>and is sort of trying to write a third one?
he gave up a long time ago
do you also believe GRRM wants to write 2 more books and finish his series? LOL

>>11594856
I liked the Night Angel Trilogy and think it's worth reading it all but I'll agree it's slow to start.
>>11595047
It is a lot better, I was into it basically from the first few chapters. I have a real soft spot for light spectrum based magic though.

Anyone read this series? I read the first book when it was released and it was actually pretty good despite trying so hard to be super edgy. Wondering how the series turned out. Having a blurb by Terry Brooks isn't a good sign though.

>>11596768
>invested in an lgbt bookshop
Wow, this guy knows how to make money

>>11592948
Anyone else think sanderson is so concerned with world building for when he gets his own planet in Mormon heaven?

>>11596889
It gets way worse

First book is the best of the series

Im half way through this, does it it get more exciting or is it continue with the boring discussions on how the universe works and Amelia daydreaming about having one of the other guys having their way with her.

>>11595950
It's New Game+ kinda. You don't have to, but some things change focus if you read the series again after the 4th book. The first book is much more contrived and trippy than the back three. I understand it's for good reasons am too brainlet to say.

>>11597057
>Orphans of Chaos

You'd have to be living in a fantasy world to think a book with that title could ever be remotely decent.

I know it's a stretch, but do you guys have any recommendations for alternate history or historical fiction that has fantasy twists?

I saw people mention Shogun earlier and honestly I love the book, but it doesn't really fall into historical fiction because it's only losely inspired by history and all the characters are extremely fictional twists on real people. I'd classify it as alternate history and would love read more similar stories.

Every time I try making historical fiction threads nobody responds or someone shitposts about how every fictional book written before 1950 is historical fiction

>>11597157
The Kushiel books are set in fantasy medieval Earth with slightly different names and lots of horniness. I guess they'd be alternate history.

>>11597157

>>11597157
Casca is fun for short adventure novels

I just finished pic related. I have to say that I am surprised as the book isn't nearly as dark as people say it is outside of the loli rape scene. What was unexpected was the afterword, where Barker seemed to legitimately like the viewpoint of the ball eating feminist cultists. That and Judith literally sleeping with the fishes, though I suppose that Gentle was never going to end up with her over Pie.

>>11597122
I love these shitty fantasy titles

>>11597007
That too bad.

Honestly I hate most modern fantasy. Everything is either trying to be the next Game of Thrones or is some super edgy anime-inspired nonsense. You can pick between slogging 10-book political slogs or farm boy goes super saiyan.

I should probably just stick to reading all the old shit I've yet to get to.

>>11597365
>farm boy goes super saiyan.
reccy pls I wanna read some dank shit

>tfw Trump is gonna make sci-fi real; just like he did anime

>>11597317
>loli rape scene
Go on...

>>11597451
Yeah, we can fight all those other nations that are in space

>>11597451
We can only hope for the collapse of the American economy before we project our imperialism into the void

>>11597467
There is like 14 countries with space programs and have objects in space from them lol

>>11597467
just because their armaments arent declared doesnt mean they arent there

>>11597467
>>11597481
This is a soi free thread, anons.

>>11597517
Eat my ass, faggot

>>11597531
Only if you join the Space Force with me. We'll get to kill muslims and commies ON THE MOON.

where is the new thread slaveanon

>>11597553
There aren't any commies on the moon
At least until I get there

>>11597558
We're on page 2. Let him sleep.

>>11597566
which you wont, so there will never be any

>>11597573
>i am the only commie in existence
Fuck, man, this is deep

>>11597577
yes

>>11597582
Thanks for opening my eyes, bud

Commies killed more commies than Americans

Check mate atheists

>>11597157
Check out Ash: A Secret History.

What are the best sword and sorcery authors to check out? I've already read all of Howard's work and Leiber as well. Are any of the non-Howard books good?

>>11597927
Zelazny's Amber books

>>11597927
>tfw you will never be conan and have a harem of slave girls

>>11597927
C.L. Moore's Jirel of Joiry stuff, only a few short stories though.

>>11597057
John C. Wright has written some good books, but Orphans of Chaos isn't one of them. They're exclusively recommended as a combination of trolling and telling the guy who occasionally spams asking about little girl protagonists to shut up.

>>11596733
He's a professional convention-goer. This is a common failure mode of SFF writers who get a taste of success.

>>11596772
GRRM had a solid 20 years or writing behind him when he published A Game of Thrones, which was also better than The Name of the Wind. Rothfuss's state is far more pathetic.

>>11597157
Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell

>>11597927
I hesitate to suggest Moorcock's Elric series since I'm not a fan of it, but plenty of people are. If you do decide to read it then read the stories in chronological order; NOT publication order.

>>11597157
Warlord Chronicles by Bernard Cornwell. The fantasy aspect of the series is up in the air; as in it could be real or it could all be coincidental. Cornwell leaves it up to you to decide.

Troy series by David Gemmell. I've only read it once years ago, but I don't remember there being any actual fantasy elements aside from a scene MAYBE involving a ghost. But it is a series about Troy from one of my favorite fantasy authors.

>>11598190
I've always heard good things about Gemmel but I could never get through Legend. The protagonist annoyed me and him and that one girl practically falling in love at first sight was just too cheesy.

>>11598178
Even if you're not a fan of Elric, you might like Corum.

Thoughts on "the faded sun" trilogy? Just got it from a flea market. Sounded pretty interesting.

Wasn't this supposed to be GOAT fantasy and not two edgy bois bitching to each other at a party

>>11596381
Imagine being the most dedicated lover of women in America and still ending up depresssed.
>>11596610
>Ants make better friends than humans.
Joe?

>>11598887
>Imagine being the most dedicated lover of women in America and still ending up depresssed.
It must be lonely at the top.

One of you homos make a new thread

>>11599046
New
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