/lit/ - Literature

*becomes just another lazy boomer conman*

>>11582987
*wipes the floor of your room, bucko*

>>11582987
I love when Peterson annihilates the neomarxist postmodernists with logic and reason.

*makes a killing off beta orbiters while regurgitating literal boomer liberalism in an us vs. them framework*

>>11583099
Yeah he blew the fuck outta those strawmen

*Is a gatekeeper to rightwing collectivism*
Clean your individualism, bucko.

>>11583099
Yeah. Or like those times where a jernalist went full sjw and he owned them. It made my peepee sqert.

>>11582987
https://youtu.be/blTglME9rvQ?t=480
My hero.

*doesn't clean his own room*

Jordan "Netflix TV shows are on the same level of complexity as great literature" Peterson

>>11582987
>marxist post-modernists
what does that even mean?

Does their work for them, shows them how it's done.

"Hey, buckos, if you turn up the heat too quickly, froggie jumps out of the pot. But thanks for attacking me. It gives me the credibility I need to put the goyim back to sleep."

Even if he's wrong about those intellectuals, it's still for the best to have the general public turned against them and the institutions that deify them.

>>11583534
>Anon "I misconstrued the observation that average people can handle much more complex narratives and plot structures than previously thought by the psychometric community" omous.

>>11583686
Jordan "Godels incompleteness theorem proves the existence of God" Pererson

>>11583699
Anon "I've never read Maps of Meaning and therefore have zero idea what Jordan is actually referring to when speaking about the separation and distinction and interdepedence of and between objective reality and interpretation." omous

>>11582987
fucking lobsters.

>>11583677
For what reason?

>>11583686
>average people can handle much more complex narratives and plot structures than previously thought by the psychometric community
But that's a ridiculousle false statement, they can't. Netflix TV shows are in no way complex at all. A lot of episodes with a lot of plot twists does not equate to a "complex narrative"
Throw a standard Netflix casual infront of a film with an actual complex narrative and watch him play with his phone in 5 minutes.

>>11583787
You're autistic and your posts are boring.

>>11583787
You're literally too uneducated on this subject to converse about it sanely.

I hope this statement helps shake you out of your narcissistic stupor.

>>11583805
Not an argument.

>>11583787
Give an example of a complex narrative that the average viewer can't handle.

>>11583812
Are you now going to pretend a standard Netflix casual watches actual films?
They barely watch films released before their birth year at all, the implication that they want complex narratives while they simultaneously consume nothing but pop culture capeshit/starshit is just absurd.

>>11583824
Twin Peaks The Return

>>11583839
Obviously my injunction to stop embarrassing yourself had failed.

God help you.

>>11583824
Institute Benjamenta by the Quay brothers. The Mirror by Tarkovsky. Hard to be a God by Aleksey German.

>>11583824
Freddy Got Fingered

>>11583107
redpilled

*never actually debates a marxist*

>>11583824
Airplane

what's this guy's deal with postmodernism?

>>11583005
He's proven now he's not a conman and genuinely commuted to his cause of raising the human spirit

>>11583824
Almost anything really. Nowadays you have countless "XYZ MOVIE ENDING EXPLAINED" videos for almost any movie at all, it's quite sad.

>>11583873
he thought he was going to debate zizek

>>11583915
Lol he debated a fake zizek joke account on twitter once.
Then he asked 50 gs to turn up at an actual debate.

>>11583824
Serial Experiments Lain

>>11583824
The Whirr

>>11582987
Don´t be silly, he is an idiot who will go in circles to avoid the conclusion if the subject is tacky. This has happened two times
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqtPsEXZTec
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPIh1xQiuI8&t=233s

>>11584505
This is actually masterful sophistry.
"I can't do it" can be interpreted both ways

>>11582987
I like how he DESTROYS liberal communist neo-post-marxists with FACTS

>>11584505
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPIh1xQiuI8
lol at that bit about "spirit" from 3:15 on.
that's some top tier deepak chopra parody, hats off to jordan for keeping a straight face.

>>11582987
I heard his book is a retelling of Marcus Aurellius Meditations. Can anyone confirm

>>11582987
how can Marxism be postmodern

>>11583686
I've still yet to encounter an intelligent, insightful, or even funny tripfag. It seems anyone who has the urge to forgo their anonymity on here is stupid, which I have to say is a real blessing because it enables me to filter out countless low quality posts.

>>11583824
Infinite jest

>>11583718
i dunno sounds rather post modern to me

Someone told me JP threads were banned, then again he said that trying to convince me to drop any attempt at making leftist threads as "no political discussion was taken place on /lit/".

>>11583824
Care Bears: A Belly Badge for Wonderheart

>>11583864
unironically this, it's one of those movies mid-wits don't get but low and high IQ's rally for different reasons like Starship Troopers.

>>11584631
I also told you to go back to pol

*doesn't know what Marxism, post-modernism, nevermind what modernism is*

>>11583824

>>11584631
"The fascists of the future will be the anti-fascists" -Churchill

>>11584642
No you didn't.
>>11584663
What about free speech mr fascist?

>>11584677
and the thread got deleted too

So, if I were to post something against Jordan Peterson, not imflamatory just on point of what he actually wrote, will I get banned?

>>11584686
This thread is on first page.

>>11583545
Cultural postmodern neomarxist relativists (probably communists and hippies as well) are worshippers of Cultural Marx.

Cultural Marx is malevolet demigod of various postfascist religions. It may remind you from demiurge from gnosticism, but it's totally not the same. Cultural Marx works in mysterious ways to make lives of straight white men harder and it also tries to destroy western civilization. Cultural Marx is not as powerful as it's cunning.

What if I start making threads against conservatism?

>>11584690
yeah because you bumped it lol

>>11584704
Yeah, you can bump alt-right threads here, but leftists get banned.

>>11583824

>>11582987
I actually saw Jordan Peterson last year. He was wearing a lobster costume and handing out leaflets about post-modernism that were shaped like lobster claws. I asked him why he was dressed like a lobster and he accused me of misrepresenting him, and that he was in fact demonstrating female agreeableness by counting how many women took leaflets from him versus how many men took leaflets. When I pointed out that the only people who'd actually taken any leaflets were overweight men in their late twenties and teenage boys he just rolled his eyes and said "that's not what I meant." Then Joe Rogan told me that I couldn't talk to him any more and offered me a free masturbation session in his isolation tank.

>>11584748
GR ripoff... avoid.

>>11584709
I don't really see the problem here.

>>11584812
Censorship is not a problem for the alt-right it seems.

>>11584748
Guyver + Gunbuster = Evangelion

>>11584804
pics or it didn't happen

>>11582987
>Wash your penis, buckaroo

>>11583179
Lol. It's always funny how differently pol and lit view Peterson. Pol hates him because hes against "anti white collectivism" and lit hates him because hes a "gateway to right wing collectivism"
Really makes me hmmm

>>11584852
no, actually, everybody hates him because he's an idiot

>>11584808
GR?

>>11584709
>Peterson is alt-right
How does it feel getting all your news from buzzfeed? Why dont you go to pol and ask them how they feel about peterstein?

>>11584881
pol is a fucking dumpster fire at this point

>>11584860
Well according to the guy I replied to, he dislikes Peterson because hes a gateway to the alt right. So I'm addressing people who hate him for the same reason or for the exact opposite reason and pointing out how absurd it is that each side hates him because they believe he is an agent of the other.

It's actually very funny.

Where are the threads criticizing conservatism? Oh that's right, they get banned.

>>11584881
JP is used cowardly without portraying his view on identity politics. Guess who use him that way.

>>11584748
Eva has a lot in common with Peterson, ironically

>>11584894
It wasn't always that way, but the censorship of anything left is what drove it to this state.

>>11584894
That's not answering what I asked

>>11584904
Idk? I can't imagine two groups, who's core beliefs revolve around their identity, liking a guy who skirts around the issue of identity

>>11584923
yes it is, the important part anyway.

>>11584820
>Censorship is not a problem for the alt-right it seems.
I've never claimed to be against censorship when it's applied to leftists.

>>11584923
Your strawman is stupid, you were implying something not said. Some of us know JP hates the same people who is using him for their politics, nothing was mentioned about buzzfeed.

>>11584940
That is an special pleading kind of logical fallacy, you are moving the goalposts too much. You never say anything and go for a circular argument.

>>11584930
No it's not. The guy I responded claims Peterson is alt-right while ignoring the fact that alt righters fucking hate him. Saying that pol is trash is besides the point and isnt addressing mu main concern whatsoever

>>11584965
They do now, but he rose to fame with alt-right (((dog whistling)))

>>11584965
>The guy I responded claims Peterson is alt-right
False cause, I never said that, I was criticizing his abuse by the alt-right.

>>11584909
Eva is freudian-hegelian, how's that peterson

>>11583099
I also love it when "smart educated man DESTROYS leftist lunatic with FACTS."

>>11584954
Not really. Leftist beliefs aren't merely beliefs; they are a fundamental threat to any sort of meaningful human experience, and should be suppressed as such.

>>11584977
Can a smart educated man destroy rightwing lunacy with facts on /lit/?

>>11584988
>moving the goalpost again
This is insane.

>>11584976
Use of spiritual (Christian and mystical) concepts to elaborate on a simple philosophy of individualism. Comparison of archetypal themes within a contemporary context

>>11584988
So you will never admit or deny you want censorship against the left, but you give hints as to subtly imply you want it.

Got it.

>>11585004
wrong and wrong

>>11585000
How is it circular? All I'm saying is that there are specific qualities about belief systems aligned with the political left that justify their suppression while such things don't exist on the right.

>>11585018
I want active state sponsored censorship against leftists, people sympathetic to leftists, and people who are in anyway against the suppression of leftists.

I have no problem admitting this.

>>11585028
Playing dumb and dodging the question of your crave for censorship it is really cowardice.

>>11584972
My bad then. I assumed that you were calling Peterson threads alt-right

>>11584970
>dog whistle
Yeah cuz saying that you dont support a bill that's supposed to help trans people is really under the radar. It's not a fucking dog whistle if everyone fucking thinks that you're alt right after it.
And honestly, his reason for not supporting was so obviously ignored by pol fags who just wanted to use him as a way to push their agenda.

>>11585026
T. Skipped the last two episodes of Evangelion and went straight to EoE

>>11585048
t. didn't understand the last two episodes

>>11584943
What strawman?

>>11585044
and yet, here we are

Now that the alt-right admitted he wants censorship, do we have free speech for leftists or only the alt-right can make threads on 4chan?

>>11583903
...by hawking rugs and "self-authoring" series online.

>>11582987
Holy shit the buttblasted marxtards in this thread

He’s not even that. All lefties have is butthurt snarky things to say about him. They’re just mad because he’s turning people away from leftism and funneling they over to fascism for us

Cry more fags

>>11585036
What question am I dodging? Give me straight answer and stop hiding behind vague language.

>>11585057
Freud’s influence on Evangelion’s character development is clear. Hegel’s writings are necessary for understanding the final scene in EoE. But I don’t see how you can use both writers to understand every aspect of the series, especially the central themes of individualism

>>11585063
yes

>>11583903
I thought Peterson wasn't religious...

>>11585091
That is a bit vague don't you think?

>>11584545
I like how he runs away when fascists and real conservatives present uncomfortable FACTS and logic.

>>11585060
Did you mean to respond to me? Or do you think your screen cap is me? Because I'm not sure what you're responding to if it's the former, and im not the guy in the screencap if it's the latter.

Some people see marxists in this thread, I can tell you there is not such thing only a bunch of neocons and alt-right baiting and polposting non-stop.

Is the left doing something like this on /lit/? No, because it gets banned.

Why does Cuckcember suck off Peterson so much?

>>11585109
Yes and no

>>11582987
*scrubs your beads and buffs your hog*

>>11585120
fuck I'm so confused

>>11585125
>buffs your hog

>>11585117
I see marxists in the thread. They don't know they're marxists, though. The plot ever thickens.

>>11585135
He is trolling, is like an strategy along his logical fallacies and polposting.

The alt-right is too authoritarian and now it owns the position to ban any leftists discussion. I am leaving the thread, I am tired of trying to resurrect a dead horse.

>>11584852
If Peterson is a gateway to the alt right, it is only inadvertently. Peterson explicitly said in his Time magazine interview that his purpose is to keep his fanboys on the liberal-libertarian plantation.

>>11585143
see
>>11585119
why would i trust your biased ass?

>>11585149
It's funny because pol thinks it's the exact opposite. That the left has gained control of this site and are banning any meaningful right wing discussion.

It's interesting to see how people want to view themselves As the underdog.

>>11585187
I wouldn't say the left has gained control; degenerate sexual deviants have gained control, along with psychopaths bent on monetizing it. Those people tend to espouse leftist ideals, for reasons unspecified and perhaps unknowable.

Which has attracted leftists. Leftypol is testament to that.

>>11583099
redbased and pilled

>>11585272
>degenerate sexual deviants have gained control
???
Don't tell me you're on some pizzagate shit

>>11585272
>Leftypol

oops

Peterson is one of those c-tier intellectuals that are just smart enough to be beyond the distinguishing abilities of dumb people
I find him difficult to listen to. He says very little in very many words and rarely anything insightful, it's just a pleasing noise to the frustrated and self-conscious intellectual right as they really don't get to have a lot of (significant) smart people on their side and that leaves them kind of embarrassed, hence these loud bait threads

>>11584852
If every other sentence in your writing isnt "fuck white people" you are LITERALLY an alt rightist

>>11582987
He's nothing more than a Malcolm Gladwell for twenty something dudes who feel guilty about jerking off to trap porn

>>11584565
It's baby's first stoicisim mixed in with pop psych and weird anti-modern sensibilities

>>11584902
Are you engaging in the fallacy of the false compromise? What if one side is right and the other side is wrong?

>>11583903
He's a businessman just like the rest of them.

Harvard Professor RAPES childlike sjw BABYFUCKER

>>11584867
yes, Gravity's Rainbow. but it's not a GR "ripoff", some memers just found le similarities between plot structures and sheer complexity to be so funny and quirky

Okay gang, this is epic

Clean MY room?

>>11586032
he gets his maid to do that

>>11585424
What if both sides are right in different ways? What if both are wrong in different ways? What if we lived in the real world and both sides are right AND wrong in different ways?

I'm not sure what the point of your question is. I was just pointing out how funny it is that both sides can hate the same thing for the exact opposite reason the other does. I'm not taking sides or saying one is right or wrong or that the actual answer is somewhere in the middle. Only that theres a humorous element in the way both the right and left dislike Peterson.

>>11586054
woah dude postmodern af lol

>>11585004
But the Christian symbolism has nothing to do with the religious concepts that it can be argued it elaborates on, and those certainly aren't strictly Christian. It's primarily about Freud, Hegel, anti-otakuism, and the ending message "take care of yourself. " The Christian imagery has more to do with Ultraman because Hideaki Anno is autistic

>>11582987
daily reminder

Please tell me none of you guys talk like this in real life

>>11586091
I still like this one more

>>11586091
cringe tweet

>>11586082
Reminder that as retarded and contradictory as his definition of postmodernism is, he's actually correctly describing a set of beliefs that tens of thousands of people genuinely believe.

I wish he had just come up with a term other than postmodernism

>>11586120
what beliefs?

>>11586120
Marxist postmoderns is actually a very good term to describe these people. Academics understand these terms are inherently self contradictory. But, they fail to see that JBP is using that title to describe these inconsistent people who have so much sway in academia.

>>11586137
what makes them inconsistent?

>>11585070
making money is so evil

Do canadians actually use "bloody" in their daily speech? It sounds so corny

>>11586149
>>11586082
There are many reasons but this is the simplest

>>11583824
mulholland drive

>>11586158
No I know why "postmodern neomarxist" is contradictory, i am asking in regards to

>JBP is using that title to describe these inconsistent people who have so much sway in academia.

what makes this term belong to this group of people and why are they inconsistent with it?

>>11586169
Inconsistent as in holding contradictory beliefs, as in postmodern marxism

>>11586169
this is how I identify marxist postmodernists on the internet.

>FREE SPEECH

Only in instances where the government tries to silence you.

Read the Constitution instead of wiping your ass with it, retards.

>>11586182
if you can't explain your thinking.....
>>11586178
What is postmodern Marxism?

>>11586149
The fact that postmodernists have orchestrated a societal shift towards a clear and observable phenomenon of marxists who uses postmodernism to justify diversity, sjw, and so on. These justifications are used to corroborate their grand narrative (marxism). So, I call them inconsistent. I don't necessarily agree with JBP's interpretation of postmodernists themselves being marxists.

>>11586194
>What is postmodern Marxism?
The strange and toxic blend of neomarxism, critical theory, race and gender studies, post-structuralism, and postmodernist thinkers that I am personally watching be churned out at my own college, in my own classes, from my own professors and classmates.

>>11586213
> neomarxism, critical theory, race and gender studies, post-structuralism, and postmodernist

what do all these things mean

>>11586236
I'd really rather not spend fifteen minutes elaborating on what defines and separates those schools of thought, anon.

>>11586208
>The fact that postmodernists have orchestrated a societal shift towards a clear and observable phenomenon of marxists who uses postmodernism to justify diversity, sjw, and so on. These justifications are used to corroborate their grand narrative (marxism).


do you really think these people you think exist really exist and think the way you think they do?

>>11586241
i understand that, but i don't think the people you are criticising understand what those words mean

>>11586242
Yes because I used to be one of them.

>>11586246
They're not stupid, they're unexamined and small-soulled. I'm sure any dipshit "Pizza Rolls, Not Gender Roles!" knuckledragger could give you passable definitions for each of those schools of thought

>>11586253
Also, adding to this that postmodernism wouldn't make sense if marxist postmodernism could not exist.

>>11586253
Backing this up. I know about how stupid gender and race theory is because I used to fully subscribe to it

>>11586253
it's okay jordie we forgive you

>>11584449
Good show!

>>11584449
Why is Lance Reddick so fucking weird
He looks, moves, and acts like an alien
Great actor, don't get me wrong