/lit/ - Literature

Fuck off scmitt fag, your political ideology generals are cancer.

Christ just go away

>>11555250
What exactly is your issue with Carl Schmitt? and I'm not the only Schmittfag OP here

Also the KR is hardly just politics

>>11555230
It saddens me that you don't have the self-awareness to see how cringe this post is OP.

>>11555326
Well this is 4chan, I think I have carte blanche to be autistic here

>>11555275
I have no problem with Schmitt. I have a problem with you spamming reactionary ideology generals here constantly like a /pol/tard. If you want to discuss Schmitt, or de Maistre, or Jünger, then make a thread referring to a specific work of theirs. You've been posting here long enough i can't imagine you haven't read the sticky.

>>11555365
I have certainly posted threads discussing specific works. I did one recently on The Rights of Man. Trouble is, unless a work is part of the basic several dozen often discussed here, it gets very little input, and of that input, few have read it (nobody who replied to my Rights of Man thread, before it died, actually read it). So it is better for me to name a broad category of works, since I am more likely to get input from someone who has read the pertinent literature

Does that make sense?

Thread on The Rights of Man for reference
>>11549701

>>11555230
Yeah bro! Totally I'm feelin' that Kool Konservative Kraving (KKK haha get it?). Like Fried Rich Neetchee, totally a Kool Konservative Komrade! (haha I did it again lmaoing) What if like, we've only got friends and enemies and stuff and we're all like totally evil bro? *sip*

>>11555230
Nietzsche wasn’t a conservative and there is no God

>when the alt-right LARPs as being cultured

>>11555455
well I mean we all can't be such rounded out bathhouse faggots like Foucault and die of AIDS. god I wish that were me.

>>11555452
>Reading Kaufman

Found your problem. Read Ludovici or GTFO

>>11555460
Foucault died for his love of man. The most noble thing a person could die for.

>>11555474
>the most noble thing a person could die for

that's called pussy anon

>>11555452
Nietzsche was conservative in the German sense in that he opposed liberalism, leftism and democracy. He was no totalitarian.

Whether or not God exists is not something I care to argue. Whether or not you believe in God (I personally do) is almost beside the point; the point is simply opposition to rationalist reductionism. Whether an inexplicable factor is an "act of God", or simply inexplicable, makes little difference in theoretical concept. What does matter is whether or not you try to subject it to forced rationalist reductionism.

>>11555461
Well no, just Nietzsche wasn’t a conservative and there is no God. Those are both true, the translation doesn’t matter because Kaufmann didn’t change anything at all besides not faithfully bringing forth N’s diction and poetics. All of the general explicit meaning is retained and I also didn’t read Kaufman’s Twilight, Anti-Christ, Zarathustra or Genealogy so I have no idea what the fuck you’re even getting at. His WTP has more content than the other versions which were purposefully edited for propaganda purposes. N advocates for a mixed race european supremacist Imperium with atheistic Dionysian values and an unhinged predatory aristocracy like the Spartans and Indo-Aryans. He wasn’t a conservative and saw the State as a despicable, bloated institute which gave malevolent, afflicted types free reign to make banal and strain the life from all flows of power in the higher castes and he wrote an entire book, most of the beginning of WTP and a whole section of GM and Twilight annihilating theism, idealism, stoicism, epicureanism, platonism, etc. So, unless you are going to argue for the existence of God and you want to try to frame his unprecedented breeding project, amoral sensuality and ecclectic pseud individualist totalitarianism as “conservative” then argue for God or get the fuck away from me you fucking brainlet

>>11555230
>The KR proper was an interwar movement which included figures such as Martin Heidegger and Ernst Jünger. It had its own paramilitary, the Freikorps

retard

>>11555513
NIETZSCHE IS LITERALLY /POL/, HE'S ON OUR TEAM, HE HATES WOMEN, KIKES, AND LEFTISTS AND LOVES NATIONALISM, WHITENESS, AND MASCULINITY. HE IS ONE OF OUR GUYS, HE WOULD BE BROWSING HERE TODAY IF NOT FOR DEGENERACY

>>11555508
This is the OP btw

>>11555461
This is not

>>11555508
No he absolutely was not, you are wrong, he was an immoralist who despised German culture, Luther, the Reich and the German aristocracy who he wanted to overcode w/a paneuropean aristocracy bred specifically for warfare and to rule. Had Hitler actually formed an SS around all european ethnicties including ashkenazim and poles (who Nietzsche again wanted to race mix with) and had grounded it in supreme might and the health of an overflowing genius elite then yes Nazism would be Nietzschean. Conservative mewling over the state of the family, church and Reich is not Nietzschean its groveling mammy cultist faggotry dressed up as erect spine’d elitism. There is nothing masculine about a return to any state of affairs outside of the Steppe and we coul not, and still cannot make that reversion so we go forward and burn a swathe through the forest of cathedral hives until we have our plains again. Also i will answer your conundrum: god is not real, its impossible, all systems that invoke God are mentally ill traps constructed by social cheaters

>>11555526
/pol/ isn’t conservatism, im not one of you, i would gas most of you if i could. N was not a Nazi nor was he a conservative or a leftist, and he specifically chastised future readers for trying to unmask and subordinate him like that.
>>11555528
Yes thank you i can discern iq diferences from style and vocabulary, thanks anon

>>11555533
Unironically based and redpilled...

>>11555513
Trying to read Nietzsche as a political manifesto is not really correct on your part. He had some dreams, but nothing like a programme and had zero interest in coming up with one.

Also OP

>Nietzsche
>Conservative

have you even read him? or are you a complete poseur

>>11555533
I think the problem here is that you think the German movement was ideologically homogeneous. If you have read Jünger's Worker, you must know many German conservatives had all sorts of fantasies that wouldn't be considered "conservative" in the sense of a normal platform.

>>11555533
which cathedral hive did you burn lately, my fellow paneuropean aristocrat steppe semite?

>>11555545
I have read Kauffman's translations of The Gay Science, Birth of Tragedy, Beyond Good and Evil, the Antichrist, Thus Spoke Zarathustra, the Genealogy of Morals, and more. Imho it is impossible to properly grasp Nietzsche without reading Schopenhauer however. I see Nietzsche primarily as a response to Schopenhauer. As a Christian I find Schopenhauer more appealing (despite his philosophy being based on atheism), but I find much value in Nietzsche as well

>>11555230

This thread is a fucking riot, only lacking with a poster throwing hints about the jewish question and derailing it into oblivion.

>>11555230
if u wanna read OG KR (not conservatism in general, not nazi-shit or any of that)
read Manns "reflections of an unpolitical man"; its based & redpilled af
also Spengler, Jünger, Schmitt & Heidegger I guess

>>11555449
Thanks for the laugh, Anon.

Yeah yeah bring it to /pol/
dont wanna hear it

It's a shame Mohler's book still hasn't been translated, possibly because it has several German editions and (I think) it's hard to pick which one is definitive.

>>11555455

is that a gucci print?

Bump

>>11556561
An online translation has existed for years

>>11555455
>homosexual frenchie who just complained about things being prisons

>>11557654
Where?

>>11555997
Great list my guy.

>>11557915
>>11556561
Don't cocktease me like this bro. If there's an English version of that book I'd be so happy.

>>11555230
Good books on this subject?

fucking garbage thread all around

>>11559387
"The Outlaws", by Ernst von Salomom

>right-wing literature threads get shut down with "GO BACK TO /pol/ LOOOL!!" and "MUH ALTRIGHT"
>communist literature threads get 200+ replies
why
I get it, lefties appear to be more intellectual because of how they're portrayed nowadays, but what fucking brainlet >>11555455 would think that conservative revolutionaries from Germany have anything to do with the joke and media boogeyman that is the alt-right

>>11559615
This board is a commie colony. Leftypol on 8 and discord literally conspired to make it so.

>>11559615
You have a whole board to go seethe with the other alt-right retards
>>>/pol/

>>11559626
It's been leftist since the start since leftism and intellectuals come hand and hand.

>>11559738
>>11559746

>>11555508
He also opposed the aristocracy, capitalism, the German nation, Christianity and basically everything conservatives rallied around both in his lifetime and into the present day. Granted, Nietzsche did massively influence some right-wing thinkers later but this is equally true of left-wing thought and it's a mistake to try to align Nietzsche with any particular political movement.

>>11555508
Nietzsche was a Marxist. He just didn't understand it enough to realize his ideal human could thrive under it.

Nietzsche is NAZBOL

>>11559783
>nazbol
>that picture

cringey as fuck my dude

>>11555230
this is corporate as fuck

>>11555230
Nietzche was no conservative.

Conservatives are just closeted traps.

>>11559501
Thanks. Looks interesting. Anything about them written more currently though?

The conservative revolution has to be read in it's historical context, so you might want to familiarize yourself with World War 1, the german interwar period and the worker's novemberrevolution in germany (awfully underappreciated topic).
The KR has many branches, I've heard good stuff about Armin Mohler's dissertation about the several branches of conservative and nationalist though in inter war germay. Mind you, this guy was an SS volunteer, so his writing might be biased.
If you are looking for tempered conservative thought, i can recommend Georg Quabbe. More left-nationalism oriented would be Ernst Niekisch.
Also, there's the classics with Spengler and Ernst Jünger (he edited several of his works in his later years, so be wary which version you get). Heidegger isn't really KR though. If you want after-war ideas of the KR, read Georg Friedrich Jünger's later works.
Generally speaking, you'll have a hard time getting anywhere with the KR if you don't understand german. Most works weren't translated and are difficult enough to obtain in german, although reprints exist.

>>11555230
>Konservative Revolution
Don't you mean "Konterrevolution"?

Conservatives are retards whose biggest issues revolve around other races stealing "their" women

>>11560853
>The German conservative revolutionary movement (German: Konservative Revolution) was a German national conservative movement, prominent in the years following the First World War.

>>11561029
Huh, it's actually a thing, although the two terms certainly do overlap.

>>11559792
>my dude
Cringe.

>>11560869
*snap*

bump

>>11561637
Downvoted

>Nietszche
>Conservative
*snap*

>>11563099
Upvoted.

>>11563099
*snap*

bump

>>11555230
cringe aside, machiavelli, nietzsche, heidegger, hobbes and hume are all bro-tier so this is kind of interesting.

Wait how conservative are we talking? Like regan level conservative or libertarian is fine but facism isn’t

>>11565514
the conservative revolutionaries this thread is about are practically the founding fathers of national socialism

national socialism is a subset of the conservative revolution, or its degeneration dependingon perspective

>>11565523
Well that’s no good. See, I would expect those right of the political compass to respect the authority and finality of war as the final decision on “does this ideology hold up”. Facism has failed immensely and has been shunned as an evil, nazism even more so due to their lose in ww2. You could say that capitalism has held the throne due to its combat effectiveness and communism keeps returning due to it’s ability to win revolutions. You have respect for ideals yet hypocritically shirk them when it comes to you reviving your failed approach

>>11565514
>Bild
>Ebene
German humour everyone, the cuckiest thing on the planet

>>11555230
Does anyone have a rebuttal of Schmitt's position on rule of law?

>>11559615
>>11559626
Foucault is a neoliberal theorist, /lit/ has and always will be a crypto-capitalist theorycel board.

>>11555230
>konservative revolution
>Machiavelli
>Nietzsche
Please, just stop.

>>11565687
Strauss is a major theorist of Machiavelli (and Hobbes) for obvious reasons and is extremely similar philosophically to Schmitt with whom he was an intellectual fellow traveller and Nietzsche is arguably one of the founders of the Conservative Revolution if not the founder, just look at anything by Wolin

Don't post just for the sake of posting

>>11565723
>Don't post just for the sake of posting
Dont project yourself in me man.

>>11555455
>homosexual pedohphiles who die of aids
>cultured

>>11565548
Think of it as Franco and Dollfuss and Salazar

>>11565548
Cringe and bluepilled.

>>11559746

/lit/ is full of students at third rate universities, hardly a bastion of intellectualism my duderino.

I don't have much sympathy for the "alt-right", but in my experience their left-wing opposite number aren't exactly intellectual champions either. The left may be less autistic tho, if only because autists are more likely to not fall in line with the more fashionable ideologies.

>>11555230
>Machiavelli and Nietzsche instead of Maistre, Aquinas and Hegel
jej

>>11565745
He provided a pretty coherent criticism of your non-argument, toddler.

>>11567621
They're less autistic but in a bad way. They (for the most part) don't think about the ideologies that they push resulting in them being cookie cutter. They're pretty much just Neo-Liberals in Che Guevara shirts.
The modern "far-left" is far less interesting and entertaining than the far-right.

>>11555230
>machiaveli
How is he in any way anti-materialist?

And neetch was fond of physiocracy, he just didn't like borgeois moralism.

>>11555455
I'm getting aids just from looking at this post

>>11567651
This. Hegel.

>>11555455
>Dude, felix. I feel the toxoplasmosis in my brrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaainnnnnn

>>11567757
How is the modern far right threatening in any way?

Nietzsche is about as conservative as Mao Zedong

Inb4 the Nazis ITT cherrypick him and distort his thought like they've always done

>>11568911
>Inb4 the Nazis ITT cherrypick him and distort his thought like they've always done
Everybody does that. You can't seriously think Nietzsche had any sympathy for commies or anarchists. I agree that Nietzsche wasn't a conservative, but he certainly was a reactionary.

>>11555484

>>11568915
No, his entire project is progressive, but not collectivist.
He wants to completely tear down the old order, not bolster it. Reading him as wanting to preserve tradition is reading someone else.

>>11568915
>Not being a conservatist or reactionary means you're either a commie or an anarchist
epic

>>11568927
i mean by that definition Fascism is also progressive, they didnt want to just return to a new order but build a fundamentally new one

i think the hierarchy definition of rightism vs leftism makes more sense.

>>11568927
This goes against the praise he has for aristocratic societies of old, and his general contempt for the masses. He says, in Zarathustra, that the Overman will be rejected by the mass in favor of the last man, who is a mediocre creature of conformity, which Nietzsche despises.

>Hamericans talking about left versus right like their entire political spectrum isn't far right versus a little bit slightly to the left of that

You stupid burger shoving capitalist cucks put down antifa when they're the only leftism you nannystate pussies have

>No, his entire project is progressive

>>11568943
Right, my bad I forgot completely eliminating religion and overthrowing all the old value tables is a reactionary idea.

>>11568951
Mussolini and Gentile were both staunch atheists and anti-monarchists, so i suppose they were progressive as well?

>>11568957
Yes, fascism is populist and progressive
It's also the ideology of the rabble

>>11568960
>>11568927
>>11568941
*snap*

>>11568941
>tfw in my country our "right wing" party is about the same as the Democrats in ideology

You guys aren't even discussing literature
>>>/pol/
Also, stop pretending that Nietzsche is conservative in any way.
>Let's overthrow religion
>Let's get rid of all societal customs
>We must build a new world where the übermensch can thrive without the burdens of previous shit
>"Oh but he hates egalitarians and jewish values so he must be epic reactionary like myself"