/lit/ - Literature

>>11546774
its Keats; why even the ask? the rest of the english romantics are mediocore at best (>anglos will deny this)

>>11546791
>Detailed explanation please.

Romanticism in literature was fucking trash, just silly prose falling in the same shitty tropes again and again. There was some good poetry, but that was it. Realism is where it started getting great.
At least romantic paintings are gorgeous.

>>11546865
>just silly prose falling in the same shitty tropes again and again.
What silly prose? What tropes were being repeated?

>>11546888
Prose was too artificial, trying too hard to sound rich but in the end it was just tiring.
Tropes were the usual love stories, naive nationalism, unrequinted love, pure characters and an unreal amount of drama. Just remembered Poe was part of it too, so it was not all bad. Gothic influences in it were also pretty cool, but didn't make up for the boring tacky prose that characterized the period. And it's not because it's overly descriptive or anything. I love realism, and descriptions are very well made in it. I love the prolix and sophisticated writing of Aestheticism. But romanticism is just cheesy in its themes and overall approach to the characters.
I'll take Balzac and Dickens over Jane Austen any day.

>>11546935
Literally the most brainlet post I've ever read.

Nothing you said describes Romanticism. Austen was not a Romantic, she was an early adopter of Realism. You have no idea what you're talking about but desperately want to appear to be smart because that's what your mother and teachers say about you(and if they're wrong then what's your identity?), so you come on here and LARP as someone with a degree of literary knowledge when in actual fact you spend 90% of your time reading wikipedia articles about books you feel you should have read in order to vaguely talk about them online.
I sincerely hope you're under 15 and English isn't your first language.

>>11547012
>projecting: the post
Way to drag down the discussion.
Jane Austen was a romantic writer in her early books, like Mansfield Park and Emma. If you can't catch that in her writing, you're the brainlet here, laddy.
Also yes, romantic prose is boring. The themes are repetitive and dull, it's overdone, unrealistic, girly and just plain silly. Every movement after it was leagues better.

>>11547059
>Hasn't read Mansfield Park or Emma
>Thinks they're "early Austen"
>Hasn't read the prose of Hazlitt and Lamb
Poor job.

>repetitive and dull, it's overdone, unrealistic, girly and just plain silly
Provide examples of these things in books you have actually read. Don't look for quotes on Wikiquote or Goodreads, I'll know.

>>11546774
Blake you fuck

>>11547245
>Detailed explanation please.

>>11547247
Incredibly potent language and imagery
One of the richest and most intense imaginative visions in world literature
His pages burn with the fire of another world

>>11547167
>books where a lad falls in love with unnatainable woman
>beauty is truth, truth is beauty
>muh landscapes
>muh patriotism
>muh feelings :'(
Are you actually saying most romantic books don't tackle these same themes over and over?

>>11547345
Name the ones that do.

>>11547397
>books where a lad falls in love with unnatainable woman
Wuthering Heights, Persuasion, Sense and Sensibility, Cyrano de Bergerac
>beauty is truth, truth is beauty
Literally a John Keats quote, that encapsulates the general mindset of the era. Nothing particularly against this, but I believe the symbolists and the genres spawned by them handled this theme much better.
>muh landscapes and >muh patriotism
Brothers Grimm, brazilian romantic shit like Iracema and O Guarani, about indians and all,
>muh feelings :'(
Anything from the second generation of romantics. Lord Byron's plays are the best example

My mom loves romantic literature, and I've tried giving it a go more than once, but it always seems bad to me.

>>11547345
>>11547059
>>11546935
>>11546865
>romanticism is ghey cus its all about feelings and stuff and nature lel what am i a roastie?
absolute state of this board

>>11547508
>My mom
Under 18's aren't allowed on 4chan
>it always seems bad to me.
kek

>>11547569
looool u like toootally had him btfo xDDD

>>11547569
Ignatius, if you've nothing else to contribute, start another slide thread.

>>11547508
>Literary movement follows several themes

>>11546791
noob who's never read John Cleland.

>>11547569
It's summer, the middle school faggots are out in force.

>>11547587
>t. middle school faggot

>>11547645
>>11547569
>How dare people not like what I like? >:^(
>>11547603
of course, but Romanticism seemed to extend itself over the same storylines over and over again with the same tired themes for over 50 years

>>11546865
3/10

>>11547689
>of course, but Romanticism seemed to extend itself over the same storylines over and over again with the same tired themes for over 50 years
No it didn't.

Well, lads I'm embarassed. Seems like I'm the only one here who actually thinks Romantic novels suck. What do you recommend to change my mind? I didn't care for Austen aside from Pride and Prejudice, but outside of her, I'm open to whatever you suggest.

>>11547801
Austen isn't really part of the Romantic movement, though she wrote at the time when it was active.

There aren't many major English Romantic novels- only Walter Scott really, which are fun but turgid (he's also Scottish).
The works of Goethe, Melville, Hugo, Pushkin and Hawthorne all fall under the Romantic banner (some more comfortably than others).

English Romanticism is best represented by its poetry and essays.

>>11547881
Thanks, and sorry for being so thick early in the thread. I'm new to /lit/ and discussions here aren't as shallow as I'm used to having in other boards.

>>11547801
Read Confessions of an English Opium Eater, it's probably the best Romantic novel imo

>>11547963
No worries anon, you're alright.

>>11548055
This too. De Quincey, Hazlitt and Lamb are the among the greatest prose writers in the language

>>11547801
PhD in Romantic poetry and literature here. Anon isn't wrong. If you can't see the truth of what he's saying, you're deceiving yourself. That doesn't deny the place of the movement in the history of English lit, nor the pleasure one might take in it, but be honest with yourselves.

>>11548166
>PhD in Romantic poetry and literature here.

>>11546865
>>11546935
>>11547059
>>11547345
>>11547508
>>11547689
Ever heard the name Herman Melville, anon?

>>11548417
no

>>11548417
the guy from moby dick, right? Didn't know he was romantic, thought the book was from the late 1800s
>>11548166
I am that same anon, but yeah, you're right

>>11546774
>English Romanticism
>Good

William Wordsworth is the best.

>>11548635
Please provide your well thought out non-meme based reasoning on why one of the most important movements in English language literature is not "good."

>>11548541
Will you just fuck off and read some De Quincey already?

>>11548650
>Detailed explanation please

>>11548751
Wordsworth's Prelude is the height of Romantic poetry, his shorter works are also great (I prefer a few of Coleridge's - "This Lime Tree Bower, My Prison," "Kubla Khan," "Frost at Midnight" - but Wordsworth has a vast quantity nearly as good - "Simon Lee," "Tintern Abbey," "Written With A Slate Pencil On A Stone, On The Side Of The Mountain Of Black Comb"), and his insights into things like imagination, memory, communication, and poetry itself are genius.

Stay, bold Adventurer; rest awhile thy limbs
On this commodious Seat! for much remains
Of hard ascent before thou reach the top
Of this huge Eminence,--from blackness named,
And, to far-travelled storms of sea and land,
A favourite spot of tournament and war!
But thee may no such boisterous visitants
Molest; may gentle breezes fan thy brow;
And neither cloud conceal, nor misty air
Bedim, the grand terraqueous spectacle,
From centre to circumference, unveiled!
Know, if thou grudge not to prolong thy rest,
That on the summit whither thou art bound,
A geographic Labourer pitched his tent,
With books supplied and instruments of art,
To measure height and distance; lonely task,
Week after week pursued!--To him was given
Full many a glimpse (but sparingly bestowed
On timid man) of Nature's processes
Upon the exalted hills. He made report
That once, while there he plied his studious work
Within that canvas Dwelling, colours, lines,
And the whole surface of the out-spread map,
Became invisible: for all around
Had darkness fallen--unthreatened, unproclaimed--
As if the golden day itself had been
Extinguished in a moment; total gloom,
In which he sate alone, with unclosed eyes,
Upon the blinded mountain's silent top!

>>11548814
Thank you.