/lit/ - Literature

>>11510554
That pic looks so gay, Id rather play video games.

i'm not autistic

>>11510566
You'll never make it

>>11510568
i probably will

>>11510554
I do so on my phone.

>>11510586
I do this, but I keep a physical notebook for some stuff.

>lammy 2000 and a TWSBI

>>11510613
TWISBIs are gay, but Lamy 2000s are legit great pens. Bauhaus school of design is the best thing to come out of 20th century Germany

TWSBI's are objectively shit. Agreed.
Lamy 2000's are great pens but I dislike them on a personal level

>>11510632
What are your main pens? I'm a Platinum Century and Namiki Falcon guy

>>11510563
That pic is pretty gay. At least >>11510568 seems like he's attempting to learn something. OP is just a college girl obsessed with da Vinci.

OP. Stop being a faggot and start drawing (and practicing da Vinci's wisdom) instead of wasting notebook pages on aphorisms. If you have, disregard this and good luck in your endeavors.

>claims to write
>doesn't have a notebook containing his incoherent, suicidal ramblings

Dear diary,

Today I read Finnegan's Wake! I'm going to use the margins in this book to speculate (in vain) about what the fuck he's referencing every goddamn second. Wish me luck!

Regards,

OP

P.S. I literally cannot stop sucking dicks.

>>11510680
>containing his incoherent, suicidal ramblings
g...give it back
s...stop that... h-hey!

>>11510660
OP here. I just googled "commonplace book" and downloaded a random image. My actual notebook is pretty disorganized. I do a dash before an idea, a star before a journal entry, and a plus before a note on the book i'm currently reading. That last category is pretty useful since it can refresh your mind about a book you mostly forgot, and can end up reinforcing what you learned.

>needing a book to consolidate your knowledge

this is why G*d gave us brains

>>11510692
>My actual notebook is pretty disorganized
I just use my phone notes when I get a good idea. I really need to get a high quality sketchbook to carry around because I won't be caught in public with a 9x12 yellow flip pad.

I tend to do alo of stream of consciousness notes and then derive whatever wisdom I can on it and try to keep that logic flowing for as long as I can. Sometimes upon reflecting on it I'll feel like I'm catching up with an old friend that I know isn't going to be in my life much longer but nevertheless do my most to enjoy their company.

wish i had a big notebook that i spend lots of time painstakingly writing in but never ever reread

>>11510698
It's pretty easy to consolidate your knowledge if the only thing you do with it is shitpost christian memes on boards.4chan.org/lit/.

>>11510698
Check out this faggot
>he doesn't know that Soren developed the most lethal case of oneitis the world has ever seen

>>11510554
mine is actually a ring binder :-)
i also make a summative powerpoint from the notes and have a word document where i write my personal criticisms of what i have read as well as explore ideas that arose from reading it and keep track of unanswered questions that arise from the text

>>11510736
bullshit. let's see it

>>11510712
I used to do my notes on my phone too, but I ended up never reading them because they got lost among the endless stream of notes. If the notes take up actual physical space then for some reason I'm more willing to go back and actually read them. Also the act of writing something down by hand seems to reinforce it for me.

If you're looking for a decent notebook to buy look into Leuchtturm1917. They're like Moleskines, but with higher quality paper, numbered pages, and a built-in index.

>>11510739
>Also the act of writing something down by hand seems to reinforce it for me.
I've recently started studying Italian and I've been doing it left handed as a means of testing a personal hypothesis. I'm pretty sure there's something about writing that nurtures intrapersonal intelligence more than a touch screen ever could.

Based recommendation. Just ordered one.

>>11510731
see, i want to believe that, but mine ended in a restraining order so it's difficult to agree

>>11510554
I do, but with nowhere near the amount of effort this person does. I turn my notes into flashcards. Putting effort into how the notes look is a waste of time for me.

>keeping a journal
This always seemed presumptive and arrogant to me.

>>11510752
>Taking notes on laptops rather than in longhand is increasingly common. Many researchers have suggested that laptop note taking is less effective than longhand note taking for learning. Prior studies have primarily focused on students’ capacity for multitasking and distraction when using laptops. The present research suggests that even when laptops are used solely to take notes, they may still be impairing learning because their use results in shallower processing. In three studies, we found that students who took notes on laptops performed worse on conceptual questions than students who took notes longhand. We show that whereas taking more notes can be beneficial, laptop note takers’ tendency to transcribe lectures verbatim rather than processing information and reframing it in their own words is detrimental to learning.
http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0956797614524581

Just the fact that writing something by hand takes a certain physical coordination that creates more associational links between you and the thought makes it easier to remember said though. I've heard of some professors now requiring students to take their notes exclusively by hand.

>>11510762
story please

>>11510767
Yeah, and using hansom cabs instead of automobiles makes you better at driving horses but when you get out into the real world you'll realise that driving horses is a dead skill.

Computer literacy is a requirement in the modern workforce and universities should reinforce this skillset.

>>11510765
Journaling isn't to preserve your life for posterity, it's to help you process your emotions by writing them down. You'd be surprised how much more sense you can make of something once you write it down.

>>11510767
If you transfer mediums (notebook to computer or vice versa) it actually increases your absorption of the material. Fun fact.

Did that through any class that was memory intensive and blew them all out of the water.
class notes + my wording/connections -> printed outline plus margin notes and key point highlights

>>11510776
>it's to help you process your emotions by writing them down
That's fucking gay.

>You'd be surprised how much more sense you can make of something once you write it down.
I tried keeping a journal for a few months.

It was full of awful terrible cringeworthy angst so I stopped writing it because I thought "why am I wasting my time with this stupid bullshit." You'd probably "process" your "emotions" a lot better if you stopped wasting time dwelling on them.

... so a notebook?

>>11510774
>universities should reinforce this skillset.
Universities number one goal should be instilling a quality education in each of their patrons because yes, its a business.

You can generally type faster than you can think and that does nothing for you when being presented with new information because your focusing all your processing power on keeping up with what is being said. In essence, you become a mirror that absorbs nothing. I learned all my keyboarding skills shitposting.

>>11510776
My thoughts are mostly incoherent. I hesitate to even say they exist as words. I often have a very hard time explaining an idea ot concept to someone because it doesn't exist verbally in my brain

>>11510791
You need to visualize what it is you're thinking. You also seem socially deprived.

>>11510774
First of all, learning something because it's marketable (and subscribing to the general cult of productivity) isn't tantamount to becoming a well-rounded person. Second, if the information that's being studied is useful, then finding a better means of retaining and synthesizing that information is also useful. And third, you don't stop teaching computer literacy when you require students to take more notes by hand. A computer isn't just a glorified notebook.

>>11510791
Journaling and note-taking can genuinely help. Writing stuff down in my own words seems to activate similar parts of my brain that are in use when I speak to people. So if I can articulate my thoughts well on paper, I end up having the vocabulary to articulate them in real life. Just try it for a few months yourself.

>>11510784
If what you write is terrible and cringeworthy then you're just a bad writer. In that case journaling can help you just as a means of practicing your prose.

>>11510738

>>11510813
I am impressed with the level of autism in this picture.

>>11510813
The motherfucker has footnotes to his notes

>>11510554
If you are unable to remember what you read and your reflections on it you might as well be euthanized.

>>11510813
based as fuck, anon. Keep at it.

>>11510854

>>11510687
>Finnegan's Wake

>>11510863
>I can perfectly recall every single thought i've ever had without any prompting whatsoever
>I also have a 20 inch dick and an IQ of over 200
Fucking Newton and Darwin kept notebooks

>>11510883
And da Vinci. Let's not forget da Vinci.

>>11510889
So did pretty much everyone who did anything before computers were invented. Twain, Beethoven, Einstein, Hemingway, Benjamin Franklin, and Picasso all had notebooks.

>>11510898
Everyone above this post is herein required to carry a notebook to log their thoughts and insights.

>>11510898
...but now we have computers

>>11510913
so do you write down your important thoughts on your computer?

>>11510913
Yeah, but how many people keep organized notes like this guy>>11510813 after graduating? I feel like a lot of people replaced what used to be a notebook with nothing.

>>11510915
why would, i'm not an inventor/scientist/novelist

>>11510930
Does you profession require any sort of organization or creativity?

>>11510930
because building structure from your thoughts and reaching unique conclusions from your experience is a lot more meaningful than just allowing your mind to be a sewer full of other people's intellectual excretions

>>11510941
not if he's American

>>11510920
look at his handwriting - with handwriting like that he's unlucky whatever he does

>>11510941
being a student? not in the least

>>11510942
when unmoved, I'm all right at ordering my thoughts

>>11510949
I'm not

>>11510955
anyone can order their thoughts short term but doing it long term over the course of your life is incredibly fulfilling and requires you to supplement the limits of your mind with note taking

>>11510960
over the course of your life you'll probably change your mind

>>11510968
You can track that if you keep notes. Sometimes seeing how the worldview you've cultivated in your life changes over time is useful in and of itself. Sometimes old ideas you had can repurposed with your new knowledge and experience.

>>11510813
damn this is cool

>>11510788
>Universities number one goal should be instilling a quality education in each of their patrons because yes, its a business.
A quality education includes computer literacy relevant to their field of prospective employers.

Anyway I don't disagree with you, but I'm sick of fucking morons who cannot use a computer and I'm sick of having to compensate for their ineptness.

>I learned all my keyboarding skills shitposting.
Wise and based.

I learned them from Runescape.

>>11510797
>First of all, learning something because it's marketable (and subscribing to the general cult of productivity) isn't tantamount to becoming a well-rounded person.
It's tantamount to becoming an employable person.

>Second, if the information that's being studied is useful, then finding a better means of retaining and synthesizing that information is also useful.
Finding a means to compensate for the inherent weakness of the means you will inevitably use is even moreso.

>And third, you don't stop teaching computer literacy when you require students to take more notes by hand. A computer isn't just a glorified notebook.
The program I completed contained zero (0) computer literacy courses.

If this is the case, and I suspect it is, for most programs, then the only way to instil computer literacy is to make students use their computers.

>>11510807
>If what you write is terrible and cringeworthy then you're just a bad writer.
Actually I'm pretty good. It's the content that's lacking, and that is the basis for my assertion that journalling is presumptive and lacking. If you think the content of your life is worth recording you'd better be fucking Hitler or Napoleon or something.

>>11511058
>It's tantamount to becoming an employable person.
Why does this matter? Are you an employer? People don't read literature in order to make themselves more attractive to their potential employer, they read literature to become better people. Productivity is a means, not an end.
>Finding a means to compensate for the inherent weakness of the means you will inevitably use is even moreso.
That way has been found, which is writing stuff down by hand. If a better means that requires as much if not less effort is put forward, then anyone would be happy to follow it.
>then the only way to instil computer literacy is to make students use their computers.
Where do you live where people aren't on their computers half of the day? There isn't a paucity of computer use in the West. Notebook are a respite if anything.

>>11510813
actually based, although I prefer pen on paper, this is kinda comfy.

>>11510568
Is that the Voynich manuscript?

>>11510554
>>doesn't keep a commonplace book to organize and consolidate his knowledge

Why do that when I can just organize and consolidate it with my mind?

>>11510660
>just a college girl
>fucking limited edition pen
>pelikan
<lamy 2000
>another unidentified pen thats a demostrator and probably gold nibbed too
where do these fucking people get a thousand dollars to spend a stationary

>>11510568
I hope that's not you.
You can roleplay your cool researcher persona like in the movies all you want, the truth is if you're prostituting your writings to awe other people, you'll always be nothing.

>>11511328
That's clearly not OP. Look at the condition of the notebook. It's old

>>11511104
>Why does this matter? Are you an employer?
Yes, actually, though obviously this is 4chan and nobody will believe me.

Even if you don't believe me, the problem exists equally for employees (which I have been in the past) who get dragged away from their work to help some stupid old faggot check his emails.

>People don't read literature in order to make themselves more attractive to their potential employer
University is not for self-development, it is for professional development. If I think a University is not developing a person's productive ability I won't accept candidates with degrees from that University.

>That way has been found, which is writing stuff down by hand
You didn't read what I posted closely enough.

Computers have advantages over handwriting that are insurmountable. We need to fix computers, not abandon them.

>Where do you live where people aren't on their computers half of the day?
I only care about results.

People do not leave University with the required computer skills. Something ought to be done.

>>11511328
>encouraging people on /lit/ not to have a go at intellectual pursuits

>>11513617
>University is not for self-development, it is for professional development.
No. That's true of specialized degrees and tech schools, but universities were built off the back of the humanities, which intended to create gentlemen, not experts. The idea that universities are only meant to instill knowledge that would be useful in the workforce is a contemporary notion.
>Computers have advantages over handwriting that are insurmountable. We need to fix computers, not abandon them.
Literally no one is advocating that people abandon computers entirely. Replacing a single task that's typically done on a computer with something else isn't the same as being a technophobe. I don't get these people who advocate for a silicon hegemony, as if the tactility and personalization (i.e. the things that prove that humans were there) of analog bothers them. There's a weird love of homogenization that comes from the cult of productivity you advocate for.
>I only care about results.
That's dehumanizing. People like you are contributing to the atomization of society.

>>11513617
>valuing performance over mastery
I’m appalled

>>11510698
>Err'day
LIT!

>>11510554
I've been thinking about starting something like this but:
>having to carry a book everywhere
>having to go back over the book to relearn everything you've forgotten

I already carry around a pocket journal with me. I have been thinking of having a separate book for cinematography tricks though which I would only have with me when watching stuff. Could just write more in my journal and the write it into a separate book, but then I feel that book would need organising too, in which case I'd rather just use a .org file or something.

>>11513769
Honestly, as long as you're writing notes that's mostly what matters. Notebooks are cool for when you need things that can't be easily represented by characters on your keyboard like>>11510568 or for people who need to draw diagrams for their profession/hobby.

>>11510554
I read on Kindle. I also carry a pocket notebook. Notes made in either gets written down in a larger composition notebook at a later time.

>>11510554
the goal of this little project was to produce this image. the content of the notebook is worthless.

>>11510620
t. just learned about design from a coffee table book from urban outfitters

>>11513821
This idea makes me cringe
Is it true that the more patrician your tastes grow the more likely you are to be revolted by common folk

I’m such a pseud

>>11510554
Even though the image quality is bad, a brainlets scribblings can be read.
>knowledge

Looks good from far away.

>>11513617
Technology's ability to distract overrides its benefits to productivity.

>implying i have knowledge to consolidate
i dont know shit

>>11511328
Calm down, it's just a calligraphy thread, you fucking autist.

>>11510554
imagine wasting your money to buy different colored fountain pens to feel sophistacted when you can by a pack of 20 pens for a dollar at a stationary store and get the same results.

>>11515601
Fountain pen enthusiasts are like watch enthusiasts. Collecting watches are not really about the pragmatic goal of being able to tell time accurately.

>>11513678
>The idea that universities are only meant to instill knowledge that would be useful in the workforce is a contemporary notion.
i.e. the current notion, and your point is a historical curiosity of no relevance.

>Literally no one is advocating that people abandon computers entirely.
People are advocating that computers be abandoned for the task of notetaking out of some autistic nostalgia.

You will be using computers in the workforce. Use them when you study.

>That's dehumanizing. People like you are contributing to the atomization of society.
Living standards only rise when productivity rises.

You are advocating for a poorer, stupider society.

>>11513687
Mastery without performance is pointless.

>>11514522
Empirically false.

Here’s what you do:

If you’re reading a book that requires notes, or would benefit from them, use a lined flash card as your bookmark. As you read, write down on the flash card any little ideas you have - only brief, for recollection. After finishing the book, keep the flash card inside the cover. Then, when you go back to look at the book, you will find a flash card reminding you what you have read.

If you are reading a comfy novel, just enjoy it.

>>11515601
Fountain Pens can get ink changed, one can have seven of them all in black. And when it comes to costs, yes it is very expensive but it's like watch collecting but with a pragmatic function, there are different nibs, the nib size will change if it's jap or not and of course different brands write differently. One can buy fountain pens in second hand, most of the time is just people who got tired of a bad purchase they made which can be very good for you. For example, some people can't write with European nibs so if they buy a Lamy they might just sell it for a Jap Pen.

>>11516500
When it comes to taking notes it is known that taking notes on paper helps in memory, especially when it comes to learning languages.

>>11510902
Heretofore*

>>11516500
>Living standards rise when...
What a neolib nightmare of a sentence

>>11516500
>worker productivity qudrupled since the 70's
>average wage stagnant for decades, its even falling in certain industries by half of what it used to be
>thinks living standards have risen

>>11516500
how to use computers to effectively study: digitize your handwritten notes from class, jackass. it actually helps with memory retention to have written the notes twice.

>>11516500
>People are advocating that computers be abandoned for the task of notetaking out of some autistic nostalgia.
See>>11510767
It's not nostalgia when actual evidence can be invoked to justify it

>>11516561
Cool thing about fountain pens is how much they retain their value. A used Namiki Falcon is worth more than what I payed for it new a few year ago

>>11516592
>Everyone above this post is before now required to carry a notebook to log their thoughts and insights

what type of stuff should i write in a notebook? i understand when reading a textbook or something whose goal is teaching you'd wanna write what it's teaching ya, but what about something like Republic? i'm pretty alien to the whole note taking thing!

>>11517804
I mostly read political philosophy so I'm not sure how relevant it will be to you but I often write down the things that I disagree with the author about so I can look at them later and see where he's gone wrong

>>11517819
wow, what a coincidence! me 2!


and alright g idea i'll try to do that in republic!

>>11517804
I usually copy quotes and then expound on them in my own words

>>11510554
>doesn’t lecture in his car to the CIA spying on him leading to several hundred hours of recorded enlightening audio footage for agents

Not going to make it

How much free time do you guys have in your hands?

>>11517981
Loads

I can barely remember the shit I read after some time. One one hand, this would be a good solution, but on the other hand, there must be an easier way.

>>11518192
>there must be an easier way.
The strength of a memory is based on the power of the original perception of it. So there's no shortcut. The more hoops you jump through to try to remember something, you more likely you are to remember it. That's why taking notes by hand is more effective than just typing them out.

>>11510767
How about typing out shit fast and then rereading it a few times.

>>11518192
That's very common, according to some studies. People that read books in one sitting tend to forget the plot if they don't reread it or study it afterwards. Something to do with the forgetting curve.

>>11510554
>doesn't keep a commonplace book to organize and consolidate his knowledge of video games

>not just consolidating your thoughts and experiences into a meaningful piece of writing

>>11518192

Read in small doses before bed and get a good nights sleep.

>>11511322
If you’re a girl in college you can get just about anything

>>11511322
there are people that work with pens (building, selling) and pen reviewers, just like you have phone reviewers and laptop reviewers