/lit/ - Literature

>>11506349
Tl;dr but you're a faggot for spamming this crap. Go read a book or something. One that's not written by a Youtuber maybe.

I hate when people thoughtlessly say that both sides are bad. But both sides are bad.

You are right about JP being a self help coach. But it says a lot when his common sense ideas need to be wrapped in so much bullshit before the wider culture pays attention.

His critics fall in into two camps, mainly. 1) Fully normie centre left types who are politically correct but don't put much thought in to things. 2) The snarky leftist "critiquers" whose main weapon is asking what post modernism means, claiming that the given definition is wrong, and not saying what their view is. Of course, they're snarky "critiquer" types, they are not capable of creating stuff and they wouldn't even try anything not endorsed by academic trend setters

Peterson's strategy is currently being used by his daughter.

This is Mikhaila Peterson, Peter's daughter.

As a child, she was wheelchair bound and on a ton of medication for her depression and chronic pains. Opioids, SSRIs, benzos... every day she swallowed pills while sitting at home or in her chair.

One day she quit the meds, went out for a walk, and soon her mental and physical illnesses disappeared. Oh and she also went on some fad keto diet.

Instead of concluding that she should have focused on improving her lifestyle instead of piling on drugs, she is now promoting her diet that can CURE ANY ILLNESS, apparently. Her father is shilling her diet too, which is comical. A clinical psychologist using his anecdotal evidence as evidence that keto diets can cure disease... ONLY IN THE PETERSONS!

I just love it when people stop living off donuts and pizza, eat some vegetables instead, and then assume that they've discovered a secret diet. LMAO.

>>11506390
Yes, I'd say the demographics of those groups are 1) insecure 19-25 year old guys who don't really understand politics but are angry and need a father figure as well as someone to blame, and 2) the rest of the 29-25 year olds - this group (equally ignorant when it comes to politics) isn't angry, but obsessed with equality as a means of virtue-signalling and climbing the social ladder.

>>11506349
Although I don't really like JBP or his fans
> "JBP ordeal" meaning his cult -- the phenomenon in which thousands of people are looking up to a dude telling them to clean their rooms as though he were the messiah
this is boomer internet forum sensationalist way to talk. from the very beginning you compromise any potential of an interesting examination of the phenomena. the tone of philosophy paper is better for this sort of thing. better to be either an opinionated curmudgeon or a neutral god than lukewarm and incapable of un-muddled disinterested thought...

if you're going to be obsessed with this fag and shit up our board at least have something interesting to say about him.

>>11506349
everyone ITT needs to clean their room

>>11506390
>The snarky leftist "critiquers" whose main weapon is asking what post modernism means, claiming that the given definition is wrong, and not saying what their view i
i do this and im not leftist. mad bro?

>>11506455
Sorry, I was a hypocrite saying I want a neutral discussion then came out with that, but it was mostly for effect.

>>11506466
He said

>leftist "critiquers"

Meaning people who critique the left, i.e. not the left. So no, nobody is mad you can't read.

>>11506524
low iq? that doesnt make any sense retard. terrible reading comprehension! why would he label people criticisng jordan peterson as "critiquers of the left"? have i been trolled..............

>>11506456
>let me repost this cuz i lol'd when someone else did and im a faggot

>>11506532

>>11506531
Oh I misread the original post, I thought the two camps were pro and against Peterson. Either way, asking what postmodernism is just to claim the definition is wrong is retarded, no matter what side of the political spectrum you're on.

>>11506405
I want to take my erect male penis and stick it into her wet female vagina and then go in and out of said female vagina until I ejaculate.

>>11506561
What did he mean by this?

>>11506349
I don't mind him. Like you said, he's a self-help coach that people listen to, so he's done good. He's a far better right wing figure than that gay guy. And even better than Shapiro who just says the most basic right wing talking points, but quicker. Peterson at least talks about self help and philosophy.

>>11506456

>>11506349

>>11506585
Where dose Jones get the stones to take on titans like this?

>>11506585
What are Shapiro's contributions other than the typical anti-SJW stuff? He comes across as a rational evidence-based kinda guy (I've heard him used statistics and specific historical examples to justify his points) but most of the time he's just whining about a very small group of people.

>>11506349
It is so strange how a relatively unknown psychology professor can become such a huge fad, just because he opposes ''le cultural marxism''.
The thing is that his lectures could easily be compressed into around 30minutes but he talks in a way that they usually average around 3 hours.
This makes having an argument with his fans so obnoxious because they can easily just lean on: ''that's not what he meant'' and ''you're taking him out of context'' and after you give them the whole context, they just move to the ''but you need to first watch this 4 hour lecture and then watch this 3 hour lecture to really see what he means''

yay a jp thread

just another shill

I think he is a historical symptom. That is what the lefties miss when they critique his misunderstanding of postmodernism, his style or attack him by ad hominem and etc. My hypothesis is that there is a certain demand by people, demand created by progress of capitalism. As marx noted, capital melts all that is solid into air, old virtues, values and grand ideas are replaced by hedonistic-nihilism, so the cultural climate is devoid of any kind of guidance in everyday life. The left, with its academism, pseudo-moralism and cynicism fails to acknowledge this and its pol-correct morality on top of that functions as something negative (dont do, say, think x). That gives rise to positive common-sensical solutions (you are on hero's journey when you take out trash), people strive for someone in a higher position, who tells it like it is, who can offer any kind of guidance or consistency in life. Whereas young people in 70's went to rebel against society, wanted to supid shit and have sex, nowadays young people swoon because of talks about responsibility and being productive members of society.

>>11506658
>the most feminised and weak society in all of human history, where we allow degeneracy to not only survive but flourish
>survival of the fittest is what got us into this mess

>>11506658
You called?

>>11506658
Did they really think that poster would convince anyone? As someone who now dislikes JBP, that poster is the kind of thing that made me become a fan of him in the first place.

>>11506658
>we're on your side
>now FUCK OFF!!!

>>11506638
He's a weasel who is incredibly selective with the statistics he'll use to prove whatever point he's making. He's just an other disingenuous rabble-rouser which is very apparent not only from his speeches, but the people he surrounds himself with.

>>11506815
>If you don't agree with us you're a shitstain
It really is funny how they're creating more Peterson fans with their attempt to dissuade them.

The thing what pisses me off is the fact he validates the "radica left". Like all those "SJW"s and shit, yeah no one takes them seriously irl at all, they just autistically say random opinions with no forethought for who they are supposedly fighting for, but when a guy like Peterson comes out and starts disagreeing with them, it validates them like shit like this >>11506658 I hate how thanks to that, trans people are just going to keep on coming across as hyper-disolusioned-"radical leftists", both sides see that issue as black or white, and both of them are just as retarded.

They both bounce off of each other, and they both need each other to exist.

>>11506349
This. Completely this.
I like the memes a bit, maybe, but I hate shit like this.
>>11506405
Shes a qt but what the fuck jesus...

>>11506658
cringe and bluepilled

>>11506405
>I just love it when people stop living off donuts and pizza, eat some vegetables instead
What he actually said was that eating vegetables seemed to trigger his negative physiological responses, so he STOPPED eating vegetables and began only eating meat. Said he's never felt healthier and he's been dropping a ton of weight despite eating hefty portions of beef at all hours of the day. Seems like you need to pay attention more to the people you hate, in order to hate them plausibly, desu

>>11506666
dubs confirm

>>11506869
>no one take those sjw seriously
>when the fucking pronoun bill was passed
>when the google guy got fired for claiming gender difference existed
>when two softwares dude got fired because a black journo heard them saying a dum dirty joke
>when a teacher got put on a mock trial for showing 5 minutes of a peterson video

Yeah, no one take them seriously at all ahah.

>both sides see that issue as black and white

Did you even listened to Peterson?

>>11506938
there was nothing wrong with that bill though

>>11506938
and that Google guy deserved it for being a STEMlord

>>11506949
>being forced to play along with delusional narcissit is not wrong

>>11506959
"forced"

it was to give them legal status for stuff like passports and shit.

>>11506963
>The bill is intended to protect individuals from discrimination within the sphere of federal jurisdiction and from being the targets of hate propaganda,[5]as a consequence of their gender identity or their gender expression. The bill adds "gender identity or expression" to the list of prohibited grounds of discrimination in the Canadian Human Rights Act and the list of characteristics of identifiable groups protected from hate propaganda in the Criminal Code.

>>11506975
Yes exactly

>>11506912
I know what you're implying, but at the end of the day, JP is also a gateway drug to ethno-nationalism and all that scary stuff.

>>11506980
>some demisexual genderfuild queer show up
>forced to play along his delusion or he can send you to jail for hate crime

Based

>>11506975
I don't see the problem. We have had the same law since 2008

>>11506578
I think it's some kind of love poetry. Dunno, poets are notoriously obscure.

>>11506994

>Gender identityis each person’s internal and individual experience of gender. It is their sense of being a woman, a man, both, neither, or anywhere along the gender spectrum. A person’s gender identity may be the same as or different from their birth-assigned sex. Gender identity is fundamentally different from a person’s sexual orientation.

>Gender expressionis how a person publicly presents their gender. This can include behaviour and outward appearance such as dress, hair, make-up, body language and voice. A person’s chosen name and pronoun are also common ways of expressing gender.


So basically
>>11506993

Petersons expertise in the literature fawned over by every person on this board is world respected, and evident through every word he speaks on the subject of the nature of morality.

Furthermore, he is in the top 1% of cited scientists in the academic canon for his research. Not a single person who has ever even looked at the 4chan website can hold a candle to his acquired knowledge of the very premise of this board.

Resentment is all I see, for a man who has presented you with obvious and simple solutions to all of your easily surmountable problems.

Clean your room.

>>11507037
We're not talking about his research in the field of group dynamics now, are we?

>>11506952
Yeah, better just keep teasing the type of dudes who will gladly attach katanas to drone propellers...

>>11507052
None of you are talking about anything relevant to his rise to popularity fame.

It's unveiled resentment towards someone who has comprehended and cognitively metabolized all of the difficult and idiosyncratic and esoteric abstractions and conceptualizations that riddle this board on their immature and quarter-formed form; spewed like vomit from idiot children.

>>11506993
Yeah because that's exactly what is going to happen

>>11507062
>None of you are talking about anything relevant to his rise to popularity fame.
People here are talking about: his opinion on ''postmodernism'', the trans bill and his self-help stuff all of which are things that paved his way to the hearts of many confused teenage boys.
His research plays no part in his rise to fame and you know it.

>>11507029
The described scenario hasn't happened in the last ten years that it's been law, it's fear mongering. The law itself merely lets people categorize hate crimes as hate crimes, now that there's legislation covering discimination and violence against a group very often targetted by it.

I really hate the fact that I'm partaking in this comment chain btw.

>>11507075
>his opinion on ''postmodernism'
Ah, I see, it makes sense now. You're all booty flustered because he's brought it to public attention, and public scrutiny, the lunacy of the fundamental propositional logic of the post-modernist doctrines.

>>11507076
Because the law is recent, there's not many panromantic asexued around and they don't all have the mindset, opportunities or money to throw a lawsuit.

It's still a shit law that base itself on a garbage definition of gender who are now lawful

>>11507037
Too bad his research has little to do with most of the bullshit spewing out his mouth

>>11507101
There's plenty of argument coming from his research tho.

>>11507061
Yeah and likely die in the attempt lmao

>>11507101
Would you mind very quickly, off the top of your head, because you've JUST posted and I know you're still looking at the screen, wiping the cum stains from your hands as you've just closed 12 tabs of loli hentai and horsecock videos, what are some papers of his you've read?

>>11507062
Gravity's Rainbow is better

>>11506532
It is still a good picture

>>11507079
No, we're upset over how he clearly doesn't understand it yet thinks he's some foremost authority

>>11507105
Not rigorously

>>11507108
I'm going through MoM right now. He talks philosophy, but his research is in clinical psychology

>>11507098
Here in Sweden, there's a lot of panromantic asexueds around, lawsuits arn't as labor intensive, and the law's been around for ten years, and yet, none of what you're describing is commonplace.

It's exactly the same protection as what has already been given to ethnicity, sex, religion, disability, sexual orientation, and age.

>>11507118
Before you comment, make sure you've done your research, ok, buddy? You won't embarrass yourself on 4chan, but one day you might slip up in casual conversation with your mother and accidentally say something which forces her to regard you with ever more shame. Something I know she doesn't want to do.

Think of your mother, anon.

Read the journals.

>>11507115
This.
He charges this poorly defined postmodernism with shaping contemporary society and bending the arc of history, and through that he is doing precisely what he has accused his adversaries of doing: imposing a world of ideas upon the actually existing world, even if it's more complex than he has the ability to grasp.

>>11507076
yeah it doesn't matter what the law actually says or its potential for abuse, its just a law

>>11507126
Oh joy, it's retarded

>>11507119
we're talking about a specific Canadian bill and its legal ramifications. North America has better lawyers. Swedencuck.

>>11507119
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Sweden adopts hate crime legislation protecting trans peopleAlso available in:EnglishSvenska

2018-05-18RFSL
Article written in 2018

>Yesterday, May 16, the Swedish Parliament made the decision to protect trans people against hate crimes. At the same time a first decision has been made to include trans people in the hate speech legislation.

RFSL (The Swedish Federation for LGBTQ Rights) and RFSL Ungdom (The Swedish Youth Federation for LGBTQ Rights) have asked for this change for a long time in order to strengthen trans people’s rights in Sweden. That means that trans people will be included and recognized in the Swedish constitution for the first time and that the protection of trans people as a group is strengthened.

– This is a very important change for our clients. We meet many trans people who are subject to hate crimes. The inclusion in the legislation means getting one’s existence and reality confirmed, which can mean a lot in the processing of what’s happened, regardless of whether if it leads to a trial or not, saysKina Sjöström, counsellor at RFSL’s Crime victim support.

Doesn't seems that long to me. And no panromantic aren't very common anyway even if they're overrepresented by your medias

>>11507145
Not an argument

>>11507147
What the fuck


>Yesterday, May 16, the Swedish Parliament made the decision to protect trans people against hate crimes. At the same time a first decision has been made to include trans people in the hate speech legislation.

>RFSL (The Swedish Federation for LGBTQ Rights) and RFSL Ungdom (The Swedish Youth Federation for LGBTQ Rights) have asked for this change for a long time in order to strengthen trans people’s rights in Sweden. That means that trans people will be included and recognized in the Swedish constitution for the first time and that the protection of trans people as a group is strengthened.

>This is a very important change for our clients. We meet many trans people who are subject to hate crimes. The inclusion in the legislation means getting one’s existence and reality confirmed, which can mean a lot in the processing of what’s happened, regardless of whether if it leads to a trial or not, saysKina Sjöström, counsellor at RFSL’s Crime victim support.

God bless magapedes :3

>>11507152
>We meet many trans people who are subject to hate crimes

doubt.jpeg

>>11507147
>And no panromantic aren't very common anyway even if they're overrepresented by your medias
You think you know the youth of Sweden better than a youth from Sweden?

Also, the law is from 2008. It has been law since 1st January 2009.

>>11507151
Sweden is doing so well, a shining example to follow, the perfect liberal society

>>11507152
Well, it's not that surprising when you consider the "problem" that they're trying to solve; men and women in Western Civilization are currently in competition with one another for the sale of their labor. When you double the labor force, you necessarily halve the value of that labor. Unfortunately for women they have some rather large disadvantages when competing with men in the professional arena. Biology and socially imposed limitations on the expression of aggression conspire to bring about a lack of opportunity to compete on level grounds with men vying for the same positions.

Enter the transsexual.

The obvious, and perfect, solution to this problem, as far as the social constructionists can see, is to reconstitute men, fundamentally, as women. Which is why despite only being 0.01% of the total population they're a serious issue for legislation makers and social scientists.

>>11507166
Well quote me the law then because this lgbtip said it was passed on may 2018

>you know the youth of Sweden better than a young swedish intersex helicopter

Yes, tranny

>>11507127
Opposition to the postmodern school of gibberish, its metastasis through the whole academy and consequent rot of the civil discourse in no way originated with Peterson and is not new.

>>11507169
Swedes are just following their normal social democratic and humanistic philosophy to its logical endpoint.

The problem with Sweden isn't that it cares about rights, the problem with Sweden is that whenever someone says they disagree with the prevailing groupthink, they are ostracized, shunned and called a Nazi.

Sweden still has the tribal culture of the pre-modern era, in a 21st century liberal capitalist democracy. The country literally doesn't understand what the Enlightenment is, because they simply skipped it.

>>11507190
No, it's what I wrote it was.

>>11507185
https://lagen .nu/2008:567

https://www.government .se/information-material/2015/09/discrimination-act-2008567/

>>11506349
>the phenomenon in which thousands of people are looking up to a dude telling them to clean their rooms as though he were the messiah

Peterson was the first person to tell me that cleaning my room was beneficial to ME. I was perfectly fine with living in that mess, it was my mom who wasn't. So when she would reeee at me to clean it up, it was only beneficial for her; I didn't feel any difference when the room was either clean or dirty. When Peterson says to clean your room, he explains why you should do it and how it could make your life better.

>>11507195
>No, it's what I wrote it was.

No...no it's not. You're claiming Swedish politicians are trying to "solve problems", which is just wrong.

Ah go and fuck yourself.

Imagine being dumbfounded because some guy made stoicism popular again, in a time that seems chaotic to the mind.

What a fucking imbecill you are.

>>11507119
>there's a lot of panromantic asexueds around

>>11507196
>regardless of transgender identity

Yeah so no aromantic queer demiboy

>>11507229
>>11507235
You can't even read?

>>11507229
I've literally never met anyone with one of those alternative genders and I live in Sweden's second largest city, and I had plenty otherwise alternative friends in school and after. So I dunno what the fuck that anon is on about.

People who think Sweden's big on trans acceptance are kidding themselves. Homos? Perfectly fine. But transexuals were up until recently forced to go through full sterilisation to even get to transition, which from what I've gathered is an impressively rigorous process. Not to mention our historically grim view of it in the medical community. This nation is neither hell nor a utopia, it's just some small fucking socdem nation in northern europe, and I wish other nations would stop making up nonsense about us to deal with their own domestic issues.

>>11507168
Yeah if you're not a polsmoker ;)

>>11507169
It's from all the fluoride, believe me

>>11507166
I have literally seen 0 trannies in the swedish media, ever. So I don't know where this anon is getting his "overrepresentation" nonsense from; it seems to be the biggest in the US.

>>11507254
Does Göteborg not have estetare?

Just saw JBP in Toronto last week (pic related). I came at it with an open mind, as I'm fairly in support of what he's saying about the problems of academia but otherwise on the fence about most other things.

His opening monologue was 100% unprepared and was composed of incessant rambling. I lost his train of thought entirely on 3 or 4 occasions. He name dropped Jung, Dost, and Neitzsche and said nothing of value about them.

The crowd was full of the worst partisan idiots I've ever seen:

He mentioned how the Ontario Liberals were recently defeated and the crowd errupted in cheers.

Regarding the recent Conservative Party repeal of the new sex-ed cirriculum, he mentioned how the Liberal's policy was "not all that coherent, but what can we expect from Liberals" and the crowd erupted in cheers and hootin' and hollering and all that.

He did a Q&A at the end where we could ask questions on our phones and collectively upvote them like on Reddit and 3 of the top 5 questions were:

>What do you think of pineapples on pizza? (got a big laugh out of the crowd)
>What do you suggest true, moderate conservatives should do in liberal-dominated spaces?
>If you could be a Marvel superhero, who would you be?

He did say some interesting things about Hitler's demise in Berlin 1945. It was an interesting take on his suicide and how it was the opposite of a tragedy, and something that fulfilled Hitler's pathological complex for destruction. It was a prophecy-fulfillment theory that I thought was novel and interesting. That's about it.

>>11507283
I knew plenty estetare going to school, and I grew up in a very liberal middle-class municipality. They smoked weed and some dyed their hair. Not a single tranny in the whole lot. I know of one guy whose brother was FtM, but that's literally the only person I had ever even heard of, and have heard of to this day. Transexuals are a tiny, tiny part of any population, and the US seems to be the place to actually make a big deal out of them with shows about people like Jazz (I think that's the name).

>>11506918
Idiot. If someone has a rare autoimmune disorder that makes them unable to eat vegetables, that doesn't mean a normal person should too. Fuck off.

>>11507290
Sorry, meant to say MtF.

>>11507254
>making up nonsense about you
>just a small socdem nation in Northern Europe

lmao.

Sweden was an empire that oppressed all its client states, declared itself neutral in both World Wars, but sold weapons to both sides, created race biology institutes first among Western nations, has a history of racist AND left-wing extremist violence, not to mention that you have had the most retarded immigration policy in the history of humanity, that has created levels of segregation that not even the U.S had during Jim Crow.

Whenever Stefan Löfven says Sweden is a humanitarian superpower, I sincerely hope there is a hell that people can burn in for hypocrisy.

>>11507189
Just cause you don't understand it doesn't mean it's gibberish

>>11507290
I Think youre spitting hairs, and that the extension of the law applies to nonbinaries and other skeptics of binary sexuality and gender in general

>>11507228
Not dumbfounded. You're just your adopted father is a pseud and you swallowed his bullshit.

>>11507289
>>What do you think of pineapples on pizza? (got a big laugh out of the crowd)
>>What do you suggest true, moderate conservatives should do in liberal-dominated spaces?
>>If you could be a Marvel superhero, who would you be?
I would have walked out and hung myself from the embarrassment.

>>11507304
>and that the extension of the law applies to nonbinaries and other skeptics of binary sexuality and gender in general
Doubt it. The third gender debate is a joke reserved for parties that are barely part of parliament. I don't believe any party within parliament has touched upon it at all, not does the legislation seem to be mentioning them.

>>11507300
I do understand it and it's still gibberish.

>>11506390
He is quite unique in the sense that he talks about suffering rather than spreading neurolinguistic-positivity-just do it-life hacks. He namedrops actually decent philosophers/authors which probably is good in the long run. And he challenges a lot of things that today have gone sour. Even if he does so quite poorly, I think it's a net positive. Parrots will be parrots.

>>11507304
it’s all faggoty bullshit. who gives a fuck.

>>11506815
>that poster is the kind of thing that made me become a fan of him in the first place
when a stupid poster made to defame him will instantly turn you from someone who dislikes him to, not neutral, but a fan of him. Have fun being manipulated for the rest of your life bro.

>>11507325
His problem is that he is a reactionary in the current political paradigm. And I don't mean it in the Evola or Guenon sense. I mean it in the "We should go back to Classical liberalism, because the current political paradigm doesn't work" reactionary.

And we all know that reactionary politics either doesn't work, or it ends in bloodshed.

I would like to see classical liberalism revived too. But it's not going to happen, because it is the politics of the 19th century and we don't live there anymore.

>>11507347
The people who made that poster are the exact people he criticises. It's like they're shilling without realising it.

>>11507349
What is it about modernity and the digital revolution exactly that makes classical liberalism untenable?

>>11507134
>being this pathetic
haha

>>11507369
Well first of all, managerial and bureaucratic capitalism won't allow it.

States and governments don't stop growing unless they are destroyed and rebuilt.

Which could imply that a "return" to classical liberalism would require war. Hence why I said reactionary politics might end in bloodshed.

>>11507291
And he said he's only speaking as a civilian not an academic authority when he says that it worked for him and his famiglias. Stop being so toxic bro :^)

>>11506991
He's the gatekeeper, not the gate.

>>11506918
that’s completely retarded.

>>11507321
do you though?

>>11507406
yeah well

>>11507408
Yes, it's over stylized radical chic for smarmy libertines.

>>11507453
oh fuck

>>11506938
>Bill c-16 is something all of the world already had, and Jordan Peterson incorrectly correlates with muh free speech ban
>Google guy got fired for using Google's own system to pump out a memo, then goes on muh left-wingers tirade
>2 outrage cases for your convenient quarantine

Fuck off to /r/jordanpeterson/ and come back after you have a semi-decent grasp on continental philisophy, or at least read the sources JP talks about so you're not a total fucking idiot like you are right now retard.

>>11507189
>Muh western decay
>Muh better than thou
>Muh reactionary but really a centrist you guys :))))

I hate him because of the dominance-hierarchy nonsense, his "po-mos are turning your kids gay" fearmongering like he did for PraguerU. Most of all I hate him for his book, "maps of meaning" as a semiotician I find it infuriating.
That being said I don't pay any attention to the man and only know anything about him because fags like you won't stop shitposting about him.

The level of resentment in this thread towards a man who, with effortless charisma and immense experience, has spanked the petulant manbabbies of 4chan and told them they need to clean their rooms, straighten up, and actually contribute to the world positively, as competent men, if they want any hope of succeeding in life, is unbelievable.

You little babies should be ashamed of yourselves for letting down your sex, and letting down your species.

Clean your rooms.

>>11507502

yikes

>>11507349
Liberalism isn't "reactionary". Liberals believe in the enlightenment notion of the perfectibility of man whereas Peterson subscribes to a very normative world outlook influence by totalitarians like Nietzsche (will to power), Solzhenitsyn (when he came into contact with liberalism in America he hated it because it was a decadent cesspool), Jung (inescapable primordial archetypes)... none of these guys are exactly "liberal" theorists.

The thing is "classical liberalism" is a term that has been taken up by conservatives today, who have a very different understanding of man than actual liberals 200 years ago. The post-Freudian discovery of the "unconscious" problematizes liberalism in a lot of ways, does it not? The degree of which we can think of man as "rational" isn't as sound.


>>11507369
Liberalism had everything to do with dismantling state sponsored privilege in the broadest sense and freeing the factors of production to move about globally. Yes, you can get support for dismantling stuff like affirmative action but the digital economy is based upon state granted monopolies in the form of intellectual property which need to be enforced globally. Self proclaimed liberals have vested interests granted to them by governments they want to protect, they have property that might diminish in value, foreigners might take their jurbs, etc

>>11507493
>I hate someone I know nothing about.
>His book infuriates me because I'm an ideologue.

Lmao

>>11506938
is this satire? how the fuck could you be this triggered by n=3 sample-sized outrage anecdotes?

>>11507511
Low effort troll.
Fuck off tripnigger we all hate you

>>11507522
Same reason you hate Peterson, right?

A firm intellectual spanking from your elder ruptures any identity you've constructed to hide behind and protect you from a world you're just not equipped to understand.

Boo hoo

>>11507289
>He mentioned how the Ontario Liberals were recently defeated and the crowd errupted in cheers
That is a pretty impressive fall from grace. NDP couldn't even prevent the PCs from getting a majority.

>>11507481
Well no some swedish tranny yried to say that but turned out it was only for trans and not alternative gender.

Google leader shat on the guy they fired for being a sexist pig using pseudo science, which is wring.

The 2 outrages case still happened you fuck.

>>11507502
Yes master, I'll read Tolstoy, Jung, Nietzsche, and Dostoyevsky and nothing else, then reject anything with any hint of Narxist milieu, never read filthy postmodern literature which includes the fiction, and just bitch and moan about muh modernism while at the same time preaching modernism, the Darwin-Bateman paridgm, radical Russo-French conservstism that even Napoleon kicked out of his country, and see Christian metaphysics everywhere.

So deep, so profound, so intellectual!

>>11507493
>dominance hierarchy nonsense

What's wrong with it?

>po-mo are turning ypur kids gay

What

>>11507510
Classical liberalism is reactionary today. Wanting to go back to a state that only had very few responsibilities is never going to happen, in part because the powers that be want the state to have a large role in society, but also because people demand much more of the state today.

>>11507391
Sorry hun I have a very low tolerance when it comes to scientific illiteracy among public figures. He is not "speaking as a civilian" you fucking ass kiss. Anyone who is as influential as he is should at least be specific with his wording (extremely ironic that Peterson -- someone who rambles on about how specific his wording is -- makes health claims so flippantly) and, even better, not say anything unless they are certain.

But let's be honest, he's just trying to get his daughter her 15 minutes of fame.

>>11507535
I hate Peterson because he's a pseud and riles up the redditors

>>11506349
cringe

>>11507542
Good, see that you do.

If it's a choice between those men, and 3000 vews YouTube videos by schizophrenics high on weed rambling about Martian lefties coming to take your heterosexuality, then we will all be better for the effort.

>>11507535
>I dislike JP
>MARXIST REEEEE

Fuck off tripfag, never come here again.

>>11507552
>Spank.

>>11507486
>muh radical critique that's just neoliberal ideology
>muh rhizomes
>muh reactionaries

>>11507544
>What's wrong with dominance-hierarchy
He is basically just saying "dominance exists" I haven't found anything explaining how this dominance works as a system and in what way it is hiearchly organized. It is an unscientific, bad concept.
>Po-mos
https://www.prageru.com/videos/dangerous-people-are-teaching-your-kids
This wank was a targeted ad on my YouTube

>>11507551
I actually read Marxist lit and still disagree, because I'm not a fucking hack like you who lets other people compell him into disagreeing with things, which must be the epitome of a pseud I.E you.

Back to your cringey ass pop-philosophy pseud, leave the big books for the big boys.

>>11506390
>and not saying what their view is. Of course, they're snarky "critiquer" types, they are not capable of creating stuff and they wouldn't even try anything not endorsed by academic trend setters
And this is bad how?

>>11507562
He explains this shit so maybe listen to him on that before complaining.

>the prager video

He doesn't say they will turn your kids gay as far as I remember.

>>11507575
HE says a lot of shit in that video lol

>>11507562
Dont you understand anon, the darwin-bateman paradigm is unquestionable because even lobsters do it, the theory is infalible despite the fact that the theories itself have become only partially true and not the facts that lead to it, that's just SJWs saying lobsters don't have hierarchies!

reminder that Peterson is a postmodernist who rejects the notion of modernist metanarratives (from the Cartesian self to Marxism to Enlightenment liberalism) and who further rejects the classical view of objective truth in favor of a context-dependent, practical definition of truth. Though he's not very consistent and often make weird errors in his reasoning, Peterson is closest to philosophy that comes from Nietzsche, Jung, Heidegger, Rorty, and, yes, Derrida. He seems peculiarly triggered by Derrida though, despite having much in common with him. One would guess he neither has read Derrida nor any decent secondary lit on him.

>>11507565
In stirners The Ego and His Own, the phrase "get at the back of" is used often and is only partially translated into English from the original meaning.

Could you explain what "getting at the back of" something means?

You've just posted this response, so, you should be capable of responding in a matter of moments.

>The only thing that is true is man's nature
>We have to defend the metaphysics if western culture from attack
>Marxism is dangerous
>Man is in perpetual war with himself and others
>Women are out of control

>>11507289
>What do you think of pineapples on pizza? (got a big laugh out of the crowd)
>What do you suggest true, moderate conservatives should do in liberal-dominated spaces?
>If you could be a Marvel superhero, who would you be?
Imma need some proof that you were coz I do not want to believe that people are that retarded

>>11507575
You might just be a brainlet if you think he explains "this shit" his explanation is exactly what makes me hate him.
>Dude lobsters
>There are winners and losers lol

>>11507594
I like that you're showing how much if a dumbass you are, Stirner is an anarchist and has nothing to do with Marx.
I don't like Stirner, nor do I like your failed attempt at a dialectical quarantine, and you know it's BS.

>>11507625
>nothing to do with Marx.
He had a major impact on Marx's later works IIRC though

>>11507616
>I haven't watched his video
>but i know what he's going to say

>>11507597
But that's all true tho

>>11507597
To be fair, Marxism is irrelevant these days, but it was dangerous back then

>>11507631
but point one contradicts point two.

>>11507647
How?

>>11506349
>non-partisan, neutral perspective
>meaning his cult
Back to browsing catalog for me

>>11507628
Nigga are you dumb, Marx frequently made fun of Stirner, this us public knowledge.

>>11507635
Yeah, Marxism back then was a good way to get napalmed or G-mand
Also let's not forget about the ravages of econmic materialism.

>>11507653
point one is a rejection of objective metaphysical truth, which is a fundamental aspect of almost all of pre-postmodernist Western metaphysics (point two). Nietzsche and Schopenhauer would be two of the few philosophers who would sort of fit this viewpoint, but they (especially Nietzsche) essentially present an antiphilosophy, the kind that would be expanded by Wittgenstein and the postmodernists.

>>11507665
>Marx was frequently butthurt about Stirner's individualism

FTFY

>>11507700
He fucking buried Stirner and ruined any opportunity for him to penetrate the Communist/Socialist/Anarchist circles.

>>11507706
"Sankt Max" is a butthurt tirade with barely any arguments.

>>11507697
>point one is a rejection of objective metaphysical truth

How?

>>11507715
Still buried Stirner, good arguments or not.

>>11507547
That isn't the fucking point if him bringing it up. Average people outright don't know that diet can contribute negatively to your health. It took a period of 15 years for the doctors to tell my sister to stop eating certain foods like spinach which stopped her kidney stones. No medications worked and she kept getting huge kidney stones. Dieting CAN work but needs to be run past a nutritionist so you can isolate the proper food groupings. JBP literally tells his listeners to talk to a doctor first before he even starts the discussion.

>>11507547
Who are you to redefine his speech? He said outright in completely clear terms as a preface that he wanted to make it abundantly clear he was speaking anecdotally, as a civilian, not as an authority or dietician on the matter, and you say, "No, that doesn't count"? Really makes me think

>>11506918
A meat only diet just sounds like a one way ticket to cancer, at least eat some beans or something lol.

>Women shouldn't wear makeup at the workplace