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11496844 No.11496844 [Reply] [Original]

I thought I'd put this in its own thread.
>Virgil: Æneid and Eclogues, possibly Georgics, possibly Culex. Probably the commentary of Servius.
>Ovid: Metamorphoses, possibly some of the Heroides, little to none of the erotic poetry.
>Statius: Thebaid, Achilleid.
>Lucan: Pharsalia (Civil War).
>Horace: Epistles, Ars Poetica.
>Juvenal: Satires.
>Cicero: Philosophical works- De Officiis, De Finibus, Cato Major de Senctute, Lælius de Amicitiâ. No orations, no letters.
>Seneca: Probably something at least.
>Livy: Probably only in epitomes; perhaps the epitome of Florus in particular.
>Plato: Timæus ONLY, in the Latin translation of Chalcidius.
>Aristotle: Complete works in various Latin translations, save (ironically) the Poetics.
>Deus: Biblia Sacra Vulgata.
>Orosius: History against the Pagans. This was his primary source for ancient history.
>Augustine: Various, especially On Christian Doctrine and City of God.
>Boethius: Consolation of Philosophy.
He knew Latin, not Greek, and many classic Latin authors- Tacitus, most of Livy, Cicero's letters, Vitruvius- weren't returned to circulation until the Renaissance. Suetonius and Sallust were in circulation, but Dante gives no sign of having rred them. Dante's references to and quotations from other authors, such as Homer, were learned either from the works mentioned above (especially from Cicero) or from florilegia (anthologies of quotations). Of course, this is only a list of -ancient authors-, of course he'd rred French romances, Aquinas, Anselm, Abelard, Albertus &c. and of course the other Italian poets of his day.
Source: https://books.google.com/books?id=Y4qKa8ra32gC

>> No.11496849

>>11496844
>forgot the title
DANTE'S LIBRARY OF ANCIENT AUTHORS

>> No.11496874

I really enjoyed that movie

>> No.11496904

>>11496844
Forgot to mention that Dante also had rred from Roman law, Justinian's Code &c.- don't ask me what to read for -that-, though.

>> No.11497820

>>11496844
>Aristotle: Complete works in various Latin translations, save (ironically) the Poetics.
I believe he knew his work through Averroes' commentary (work which, incidentally, is mentioned in the Limbo).

>> No.11497902

>>11497820
No, he certainly knew Aristotle directly, and with the utmost intimacy. He knew Averroes and many other commentators too, of course.

>> No.11499561

I won't demur to bump this for the evening folk, given its interest.
Would I get more interest in this blind world were I to make a Chart of it?

>> No.11499569

>>11496844
what is this list about? and
>purposely leaving out The Republic
0/10 try again.

>> No.11499589

>>11499569
>what is this list about?
The classical authors Dante had rred. That should be pretty obvious, though I admit I forgot to add that to the title.
>purposely leaving out The Republic
Not my fault Chalcidius and Boethius never got around to translating that one.

>> No.11499593
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11499593

>>11496844
The footnotes by Peter Bondanella in my copy of Inferno made it really clear that Dante was a massive Aeneid and Virgil fanboy, but he would have never read Illiad or Odyssey directly despite referencing their characters, getting his knowledge about Homers epics through osmosis. But it never really explained why.

Did no one really read or know of Homer again until the Renaissance?

>> No.11499609

>>11496849
This is very important, and I am very grateful that you posted it here for me to see. Thank you.

>> No.11499614

>>11499593
Oh, Homer was rred a-plenty- in Greece, in Greek, that is.
But as for the Latin-speaking West, Greek had slipped from the education about the time of the fall of Roman Empire, and wasn't restored until Petrarch's day, after Dante. And the very few who would learn Greek- all churchmen, of course- would be more interested in the New Testament and the Church Fathers than in some filithy heathen poet's lies.

>> No.11499621

>>11499561
Yes, make a chart.

>>11499593
He knew no Greek and there weren't translations available to him, only Medieval romances and legends based on the Iliad and the Odyssey. If I remember correctly, Petrarch never read Homer either, only late in life he started making some contacts with Greek friends of his and asked them to translate some of Homer to him or something of the sort, I don't remember the details. Petrarch was a lover of antiquity and an avid recoverer of manuscripts, his library must have also been very interesting (we do have books that actually belong to him, I believe they are in some museum in Milano - the Ambrogiana, I think).

But yeah, very few people, even among the intellectuals, knew Homer.

>> No.11500399

evangelion is so deep

>> No.11501877

>>11499621
>>11499614
I didn't realize Petrarch had so much to do with it

>> No.11502308

Never saw it. Is it just Happy Tree Friends: The Hentai?