/lit/ - Literature

>>11493530
No it doesn't. If all we've ever known is the simulation why would truths about that simulation suddenly become false?

Quite a long way to say the simulation hypothesis is irrelevant, since it has no relevance to anything. Thanks, though.

>>11493530
Why are Swedes so bad at philosophy?

>>11493545
Too pragmatic, most intelligent scandinavians thinks philosophy is something you keep too yourself.

>>11493530
He doesn't even believe it himself. The point of it is more to illustrate the fragility of our reality.

>>11493530
Nah. Just means there is a much larger reality than the reality that may already be incomprehensibly expansive and imperceptible.

The Paperclip maximizer is for idiots. Positive feedback systems have limits.

Fear the fearmonger

>>11493530
sage. this guy's a brainlet not even worthy of /pol/ plus his stupid face is annoying

>>11494856
i'm interested in your second point if you're willing to expand

>>11493530
*blocks his path*

>>11493573
He doesn’t believe it because all his argument purports to show is that there is a non-zero possibility of reality being a simulation. His conclusion is the disjunction of the three possible routes that computational progress could take.

OP is just a fuckin idiot.

>>11495123
theres a none zero possibility God is real too but you don't see anyone believing

>>11493530
>bostrom thread on /lit/
why, people here have no idea what he's talking about

>>11495772
>tfw to intelligent to understand the brainlet computer Swede...

>>11495772
You realize like half of us are STEM professionals, right? Of course we know what Bostrom is talking about. It's really not that complicated.

>>11493530
>IF we run significantly advanced simulations of our own evolutionary history THEN we are almost certainly in a simulation ourselves
This is his claim, it renders nothing irrelevant.
However, at the end of Inception, the spinning top falls, and Cobb awakes to find himself on the plane to LA. He scrambles to pull his notepad from his carry-on and begins to scribble
>Inception, by Christopher Nolan
>Fade in...

>>11493530
>The Age of the World Computer

Is there any way we can meddle with the brains of STEM people to turn them into the philosophical zombies they so obviously want to be. I am absolutely one hundred and ten percent serious about this. It really is worth considering that we should look into some method of removing all the functions of the brain which allow STEMfags to do anything other than whatever they need for their autistic little field. Honestly. Give me a mathematician and an ice cream scoop and half an hour. Love and passion, nope not using it, you don't need it (*SCOOOP*). Desire for meaning and authenticity, don't think you even knew you had this (*SCOOOOOOP*). Basic ethical and aesthetic sensibilities, well known to any well-adjusted three your old, you certainly won't miss this (*SCOOOOOOOOOOP*). Then we screw the top of his head back on and marvel at our creation: the ideal STEMfag, reduced to his essential part, a human calculator in the case of our mathematician. And I genuinely believe that he would thank me if he could. This is all STEMfags want to be, this is all they're really capable of being.

Give them all to me and with an ice cream scoop I'll fix all their problems. They won't have to worry about any of the dastardly, irritating aspects of life, such as beauty, or religious hope, or virtue, or even sensuality (which will be merely sense-data once I'm done with my scoop).

You really do have to understand, noble reader, that this isn't even in the slightest a cruel thing to do. It's removing from them those things which would do nothing but bother and irritate them till the end of their days. They don't want these things which are so valuable to you and I, noble reader. In fact, their every utterance is a plea to the universe to "reduce" and "eliminate" and simplify and I, and my trusted associates at the clinic, with our scoops would do nothing more than give them that freedom from unnecessaries that they so desire.

It's a perfect solution, which frees us from having to listen to their opinions on things outside of objectively measurable phenomena pertaining to their field and their field alone, and it frees them from the distractions, such as moral intuitions and human consciousness, which they are so disturbed by that they need to deny the very existence of these things.

Just picture it, thousands upon thousands of STEMfags walking out the clinic back towards their test tubes or whatever they do. Imagine the grotesque rictus smiles on their chinless anglo faces. "I'm finally free", they would think, were they not indeed finally free from that thing which they felt most keenly to be a burden on them, qualia, human consciousness, and all the beauty, passion, love, emotion, all the duty, the sense of virtues, the religious hunger, the ups and downs and bends and curves of being *human*, all that aesthetic, moral, spiritual... noise, which plagued them like tinnitus until my act of kindness.

>>11495938
I agree based copyposter
but really the reducitivist attitude is not entirely their fault
historically scientists and mathematicians have been passionate people, idealists, versed in the humanities
but capitalist specialization is self-reinforcing
stemfags haven't time to philosophize themselves
scientism and eliminative materialism are invented by philosophers and pushed as the 'most compatible with science'
stemfags who've no time to do significant investigation themselves accept almost blindly
but if the less spergy philosophers had been louder, stemfags' diversification of interests might have been rekindled in spite of (and to fight) increasing pressure to specialize
it's a vicious cycle and positive feedback loop

>implying 'relevance' isn't a metaphysical concept

ISHYGDDT

>>11495938
very nice, very nice

>>11495867
>half
I highly doubt this.

>>11493545
They're bad at everything, not just philosophy.

>>11495938
>mathematician
You FOOL it's engineer cucks who are p-zombies, mathematicians are by and large Platonists/idealists.

Bostrom is entirely wrong. We do not live in a "simulation" in the sense that we are simulated beings. We actually *currently* living in the Singularity. Hold my beer for a moment while I explain this.

Do you see pic related? It's quite rightly terrifying. The transhumans created a pointless existence entirely free from meaning by removing all pain and trivializing pleasure. The only solution available to the transhumans was to artificially create the original world of pain and pleasure within the Singularity and thrust themselves into it.

Inside of this artificial reality the transhumans would forget who they were but their consciousnesses would be able to experience meaning and purpose once again. That artificial reality is actually our present world. So you and I and others are actually all transhumans already.

Because this reality is based on the Singularity outside-reality, this reality will itself experience a Singularity and the mistake will repeat itself. Then we will create another artificial world and thrust our consciousnesses into the next one. It is hard to know how far we are from the base reality, so this model resembles Bostrom's description.

However it does not render morality, metaphysics and the rest of philosophy irrelevant. As we sink deeper and deeper into every single reality we are still searching for morality, metaphysics and philosophy at the very least if not for aesthetics. Perhaps the endless search and cycle is itself the purpose.

>>11496370
solution to pic related is perpetual masturbation machines
cumming so hard every 30 seconds there's no time to worry about a lack of meaning

>>11494995
"A system with an unchecked positive loop ultimately will destroy itself. That’s why there are so few of them. Usually a negative loop will kick in sooner or later." - Donella Meadows

https://web.archive.org/web/20131008160618/http://www.sustainabilityinstitute.org/pubs/Leverage_Points.pdf

>>11495867
>You realize like half of us are STEM professionals

/lit/ is a board of undergrads and NEETs, SAGE

>>11496370
>However it does not render morality, metaphysics and the rest of philosophy irrelevant. As we sink deeper and deeper into every single reality we are still searching for morality, metaphysics and philosophy at the very least if not for aesthetics. Perhaps the endless search and cycle is itself the purpose.

This is understood just as readily as it is intuited. OP is a moron.