/lit/ - Literature

first for sanderfack a hag

maas is my hatefu

I don't get it

Wheel of Time is GOAT and also SHIT at the same time.

>>11494224
It's just shit.

just don't

>>11494187
What's not to get about A Scanner Darkly?

DID YOU READ MY BOOK YET?

>>11494447
was it literally just a "don't do drugs kids" advertisement? I was intrigued by the beginning where he was forced to spy on himself and his friends, being a narc and an addict at the same time, but I don't really think that plot ended up going anywhere

Alright time to review the last few sci fi books I read.

Ian M Banks

Player of games - pretty boring. Fag plays games with barbarian empire "ho ho, get it the barbarian empire represents old humanity"
Use of weapons - pretty good, awesome ending.

John scalzi

Old mans war - comfy tier, rip off of Forever war imo.
The ghost brigades - space pewpew, easy fun read, dumb special forces space orgies.

>>11494476
All the culture books are of people being pets for omnipotent drama queen AI's
Kinda not my cup of coffee, if you know what I mean

John Scalzi is a rabid communist anti-trumper who rants daily on his blog

literally onions

>>11494489

I surehope mrs. H keeps me posted about her life. Within a few years she’ll be cheated on and divorced. That marriage was not made in heaven. Let me know how it goes you leeching cunt.

>>11494485

yeah I try not to learn about authors outside of their work as I know a large amount of them would be insane libtards and I want to avoid twitter grimness rants.

So I read through this tryhard weebshit Goblin Slayer recently. It got me wondering: any stories where a goblin or something similar changes sides and tries to be a good guy?

>>11494485
>how DARE somebody have opinions!

triggered little bitch

>>11494535
And what makes humans the "good guys" ? Friggin bigot

>>11494224
>large amount of them

*all of them

>>11494543
Better than the elves, faggot.

>>11494549
At least elves wouldn't use trees as targets

>>11494525
>large amount of them

*all of them

>>11494561
Yeah, because those pointy eared freaks would be humping them.

>>11494563
There are plenty who scrupulously avoid talking about those sorts of things

>>11494224
It's GOAT because it has the thinking man's fetish (spanking)

It's shit because there isn't enough of it

>>11494538
Yeah faggot normie opinions woo hoo. Thanks reddit man.

I have 100 pages left of "The Man in the High Castle" and I'm bored to tears. Should I finish it? I really am not enjoying this Dick and it's my first one. Are there better Dicks?

Remember to read Necrotech. The author has 500 hours in Mass Effect!

I'm 70something% through Meddling Kids. This shit is NUTS like you wouldn't believe, niggas.

>>11494753
"And here's my map of china"

>>11493848
whats required reading? im in a 3rd world country and we dont have that

Books where main character is a cute trap that gets fucked

Please desu

>>11494793
My local dispensary started selling sunscreen with CBD and THC in it. I don't get it myself.

>>11494800
>>>/lgbt/
>>>/v/
This is a very serious Fantasy and Science-Fiction discussion thread. We are in no way, shape, or form involved in any FAGGOTRY.

>>11494800
>>11494804
I unironically like books where gender roles are exchanged or muted and correct pronouns are used. Makes some sci-fi feel better.

Do you know where I can download Gene Wolfe's "The Vampire Kiss" and "Frostfree"?

>>11494574
And when they do open their mouths it's to complain about how they can't read books by their covers.

>>11494084

Can anyone recall a science fiction series where one warring faction uses cyborg to rape their enemies women and fertilize them with disastrous pregnancies?

>>11494460
I did. I thought it was somewhat fun if not complex. It’s a popcorn series. Better than Name of the Wind at least.

>>11494476
>rip off of Forever war imo.
To be honest as a active duty Ranger who loves deploying I couldn’t make it through Forever War. It just reeked too much of Vietnam for me to connect with in any meaningful way. I dropped it after their first engagement.

As far as these kinds of books go, I’d say Starship Troopers actually reflects guys who want to get out and fight, Old Man’s War reflects your average joe just in it for college tuition, and Forever War is a reflection guys drafted into Vietnam. Not sure how to define Armor, but I’d put it well above Old Man’s War and Forever War.

>>11494820
Exactly right?
We shouldn't be ashamed of our dicks, especially since they're such good size 'n' all - not matter what gender.

>>11494084
Post your favorite YA!
>better imagination than 90% of "adult" fantasy
>better characters
>good sense of humor
>best female character in fantasy

>>11494820
>>11494800
>>11495540
It's over lads, they reached us, it'll be less than a month now before we see trap threads on /lit/

any old adults fantasy

>>11495708
third and fifth realm of the elderlings trilogy but they can't really be read on their own without reading the previous titles

>>11495623

Has anyone read this book? I saved it because the cover art looks nice

what should i expect

>>11495708
Little, Big by John Crowley

>>11496044
Hunger Games on Mars.

>>11494724
If you don't like it that much then don't finish it, it's not like the book is important to the genre beyond the main concept. Unfortunately for you I think it's one of PKD's best, so if you don't like it I'm not sure you'll like his other stuff, but lots of his stuff is very different from Man in the High Castle. Maybe give Ubik a try?

>>11494187
just finished it, the best dick I have read so far

>>11495623
I loved this series as a kid. Shame the movie looks hit. It completely butchered the aesthetic.

Other good YA:
>shades children
>northern lights
>bartimaeus trilogy

>>11495894
The first three chapters are supposed to be up on his website.

>mfw found out the knight on the cover is gurl.

>>11494535
There is The hobbit.

>>11496454
tummy *chop*

>>11494468
>was it literally just a "don't do drugs kids" advertisement?

Yes. What's wrong with that? Did you not read the afterword?

>>11495325
It's amazing that you have this attitude because I feel the same way as someone who deployed a fuckload back when there was a war on for the regular guys.

Starship Troopers is about a volunteer who finds military life suits him. Forever War is about a conscript who hates it. That's not a coincidence.

Armor is basically a Hollywood combination of the two: a man flees his past and does a bunch of cool action scenes interspersed with asides on the horrors of war. Now watch this! etc.

>>11496588
Yes I read the afterword. I like its message too, but I guess I was just hoping something more interesting would happen

>>11496044
Eye-oh
Revenge-power fantasy

>All Xianxia fake names just involve changing the surname
>Noone ever notices

A common complaint about Sanderson's writing is that the prose is poor. Even those fans who usually can't admit a single other problem with his writing, will often say his prose is poor. I disagree.

IMO, his early work definitely has poor prose. Elantris, Mistborn, Warbreaker, these all suffer from poor prose and from from poor writing in general. I still love them, but I wouldn't recommend them to someone who isn't yet a Sanderson fan. They are just very far from his best work.

However, Sanderson seems to deliberately utilize Orwellian prose. Clear, straightforward prose that is incredibly easy to follow.

This isn't bad prose at all, so long as you're doing it well. However, it's pretty much the on the extreme opposite end from purple prose on a spectrum. You don't read a novel for it's beautiful Orwellian prose ... it's not beautiful. It's not ugly either, though, and I absolutely disagree with anyone who says Sanderson's recent-ish prose is. What it is, is practical, allowing the reader to better follow a book focused much more on narrative and worldbuilding and "content", than artful presentation.

Post-TWoK I think Sanderson's prose feels VERY different. It's no longer clunky at all, it's just very well written Orwellian-ish prose. You don't notice it at all.

Of course, if someone is looking for beautiful prose in fantasy, Sanderson might be the last person to recommend. Sofia Samatar probably writes the most beautiful prose I've read in fantasy ... she's certainly a very different type of author.

But post-TWOK I think it's very inaccurate to call Sanderson's prose poor. There are still problems, like his repeated use of "stormlight puffing from his lips" etc., but outside of that I think his prose is great. It's just very practical, maybe even minimalist. It's not supposed to enchant.

>>11496454
>>mfw found out the knight on the cover is gurl.
Dropped

>>11494845
There is a torrent on the piratebay which has the complete works of Gene Wolfe in multiple formats. I downloaded it a few months ago, I would guess it's still up.

>>11496983
>Xianxia

>>11497240
Pursue the dao erry day

>>11494535
The Dark Elf Trilogy

>>11496433
>shades children
damn that takes me back

>>11494535
I'd really like to read more vigilante shit since GB. I really wish I could discuss manga/manhua ITT

>>11497645
If people can get away with discussing webtrash, you might be able to get away with talking about the LN

>>11496983
I don't believe such a basic writing convention bothers you.

Also in the cultivation world there aren't that many last names to go around.

>>11497645
Well so long as you're not a complete muppet about it, although both /a/ and /jp/ exist for manga discussion.

I remember reading a book about some guy who took care of dragons and their eggs and ends up getting a disease that makes him scaly. Then one of the dragons decides it's time for an uprising and the book ends with the dragon smoking out a bunch of soldiers hiding from it in a cave or something. There was also some subplot with a prince trying to fuck some little girl or something too.

>>11495325
Ever read any of Hammer's Slammers?

>>11496998
sanderfag a hack though??

>fall for the Super Sales meme, it's dogshit
>give litrpg another chance and read Wild Wastes
>it's the exact same dogshit but with detailed sex scenes
Are these actually written by the same one-note author or is there some kind of Amazon deep learning bot churning out this garbage?
And why are his/its MCs so obnoxious? Is that just part of the algorithm?

>>11497841
>He actually fell for it
Wild Wastes is the same author of Super Sales except under a pseudonym. Also, remember to read Necrotech and Throne of Glass. I heard those two are great.

>>11497841
read a different author then lol

>>11497847
>Necrotech
Sounds like garbage. I'll try it.

>>11497863
You got memed

>>11497847
please /sffg/ I'm sorry stop hurting me

>>11497841
Can't be worse than Michael Scott-Earle.

That man cannot write characters or sex scenes to save his life.

A few weeks ago,Harlan Ellison passed away. A radio show based out of New York City,Hour of the Wolf on WBAI broadcast a wonderful reading by him of a story called "I'm Looking For Kadak". Here is a podcast of that show.

http://nuarchive.wbai.org/mp3/wbai_180705_010004hotwolf.mp3

>>11497847
>>11497863
Nevermind. Just found out the author is a wymyn.

>>11497957
y*kes....

>>11497957
but she has over 500 hours in mass effect

>>11497962
mass effect is shit though

>>11497645
off topic and completely unrelated but I found out recently why the same 5-6 Junji Ito stories keep getting storytimed on /a/ it's because most of his shit is fucking shit outside the art

>>11496998
nice try

>>11497957
why do people do this to themselves?

>>11496998
lmao no. he's not minimalist at all. "storm this!" and every single shallan chapter oust him as a hack writer who writes bloated anime kung fu fight scenes.
if way of kings was just kaladin and dalinar (he's also awful at naming things, my god) i could see way of kings being a pretty good little fantasy story. but instead he chose to bloat the book with unnecessary garbage like countless interludes with characters no one cares about, world development that beats you over the head, flashbacks that would have happened in a chapter in any other book, and retarded 14 year old smart ass jokes from shallan.
theres nothing orwellian about it.

>>11498016
it's called a mohawk haircut and is a traditional hairstyle of showing that you don't play by society's rules.

>>11498105
I wanted to share my overwhelming appreciation of Brandon Sanderson. I'm currently reading 'The Way of Kings' and am struck by how complex the characterisation is, how thorough the worldbuilding is, and how creative and natural his writing style is. I'd visited his site earlier where he has the bar charts showing his progress with his books and assumed he was a taste of the future- machines generating stories for us based on calculation and formulae. Could I have been more wrong?

I tried out the first book of the Mistborn series and was absorbed by Kelsier. Some of the fight scenes in that book were so imaginative and vividly described. And now I've finally got my bands on 'The Way of Kings' (previously I was mistakenly delivered two copies of part 2 so I delayed seeking out the first part as life is busy). Again, the characters as so fascinating, relatable, and complex. His writing is still original and demonstrating effortless creativity. And there's a certain comfort to knowing that you're enjoying the writing of a prolific writer who is good at what they do- there's more to seek and enjoy.

How does he do it? It's like he's cut out the whole 'oh, give me time as I live and seek inspiration for the next page' and has managed to observe and absorb so much about life, personality, writing and so much more and has managed to wrestle it into some kind of order so that he can draw on things at will as he churns out these fresh, satiating books that are so well balanced and... whole (in a wholesomely whole kind of way). It's awe inspiring. Putting pen to paper seems hard enough, but doing is so masterfully... I wouldnt't be surprised if someone told me that he's actually several centuries old, having devoted the last few to the study of story and writing.

What a gem. I'm writing this because Fantasy used to play a large role in helping me cope with loneliness and depression when I was younger and, over time, the repetitiveness of it and the new grimdark stuff just couldn't do it. I've finally found something that, once again, is giving me a bit of passion and comfort. Thank you so much, Mr Sanderson.

About to purchase Hyperion, what can I expect?

>>11498139
good for (you)

>>11498233
nanomachines, son

>>11498233
fifty descriptions of sunrises and about a hundred descriptions of women while theyre having sex

>>11498233
Several novellas disguised as one book.
An enjoyable read.

>>11498139
you can't post the same exact bait every thread and expect people to bite

>>11498138
except i would read a sff book written by him

Would you accept a blowjob from Bast under the lightning tree? Provided you kissed Reshi with a mouth full of fae cum?

>>11496044
I liked the series overall. However, i found the third and final book in the trilogy to be underwhelming and anti-climactic, which is the exact opposite of what the book should've been considering all the fucking crazy epic and grand shit that happens throughout the series.

>>11498139
Man fuck off. Compared to fatfuss, grr tolkien and feminine lynch, he's the best simply because he won't leave us with a half finished series. Fucking fantasy authors what the fuck is their problem why do they take so much fucking time writing shit. Fatfuck Rothfuss had book 3 all done and ready before he trashed it what the fuck is his problem

>>11498139
I tried getting into Sandersons bibliography and started with Elantris. But it's god fucking awful. Are the rest of his books by some miracle vastly and noticeably better than this steaming pile of fucking shit?

>>11498486
I heard there's some gay nonsense in the series which is why I avoided picking them up.

>>11498501
I think there's some, but I don't even remember it. But it's there i'm sure. I'd say it's worth it to read through just because there are a bunch of ridiculously grand scenes which are very fun to read through.

>>11498500
You niggers should stick to reading old greek shit and nietzche only. Sky high standards and demands, only the best for the autistic shitlords on lit!

>>11498139
Back to fucking reddit

>>11498509
Sounds intriguing. I'll give it a shot

>>11498517
I don't have high standards at all, I've never even read Nietzsche and old greek philosophy, i just think the book is fucking ass. Now you could answer my question and help me out?

>>11498488
Sandman gets hate because George "Ate to many Rs" Martin, Rothshit, and other faggots will never finish their series while Tanned asians running around in medieval power armor with light swords and yugioh hair beat up giant crabs comes out on a consistent schedule.

>>11498525
Just for you information. Most of the first book is just gritty hunger-games. It's a really strong interpretation of battle-royale, but something to keep in mind. There's still a bunch of really fun stuff in it though, but the series really gets big by the second and third books. Even though the third was underwhelming i'd still say it had the craziest shit in it.
There's also some very clear Warhammer 40K influence.

>>11498555
They should be mad at the authors themselves. George Tolkien got lazy after he became famous, Lynch is a fucking maniac who made book 3 about himself and his wife and Fatfuss simply doesn't care anymore, fuck knows why.
>Tanned asians running around in medieval power armor with light swords and yugioh hair beat up giant crabs.
Sounds kino desu

I would gladly dress up as Bast and deepthroat Rothfuss if it meant seeing the trilogy end in my lifetime.

>>11498591
>Lynch is a fucking maniac who made book 3 about himself and his wife
oh is that what happened
I thought book three was alright except that there was no danger whatsoever and that was clearly stated several times throughout the book and that just makes no fucking sense

Damn it you guys are still talking about shit fantasy.

Tiny brain: read contemporary YA fantasy
Medium brain: reading Tolkien
Mega brain: reading Le Guin, Howard, Wolfe, etc.
Giga brain: writing your own fantasy
Transcended: treating all fiction as fantasy

>>11498936

>>11499064
>treating all fiction as fantasy
Now we're getting somewhere.

>>11499064
God brain: reality is fantasy

>>11499089
You mean you can punch millennia old trees into kindling?

>>11499064
what brain if I just read shitty smut written by women and masturbate all day

>>11499064
>Giga brain: writing your own fantasy
Writing shitty genre fiction like fantasy does not require a "giga brain". In fact seeing just how shit fantasy is, one can argue it's the opposite.

>>11498500
i havent read his early stuff but way of kings had a good ending. you probably wont like the writing even if he plots things out pretty well.

>>11499148
which xianxia is that from?

>>11499238
literally all of them involve willful destruction of age old trees

>>11499238
All of them?

>>11499254
>>11499259
I don't think I've seen any real tree abuse in LoHP even though I'm on c558

>>11499268
It's probably in the other 500+ chapters.

>>11499268
Betcha they do other stuff like test out abilities on tables or vases huh

am I the only one that finds it kind of strange that a lot of the most popular I'll say Fantasy (doesn't seem the same with scifi) books that are almost guaranteed to get recommended in general anywhere on the net besides anything Tolkien such as Song of Fire and Ice, Kingkiller, Stormlight Archive, Malazan, First Law, Black Company etc to name a few, have never won any of the main awards out there such as Hugo, Nebula, World Fantasy?

From my own experience of reading books that have won I feel like I've enjoyed the ones that are more commercially popular such as Rothfuss and Martin more than the winners.

>>11499064
That is a Tiny Brain analysis

>>11499345
haven't the fantasy/sci-fi awards been taken over by SJW's anyways

>>11498936
How big do you think his penis is?

>>11499365
Yes

1-3 Monstress
4-6 Watchman
7-8 Scott Pilgrim
9 Capeshit
0 I Hate Fairyland

>>11499409
As big as you need it, fag,

What are the definitive editions of HP Lovecraft?

>>11499345
Well for the most part what you've listed are pop-fiction potboilers (ASoIaF, Kingkiller) and author pet projects (/tg/ would call them "fantasy heartbreakers", basically Stormlight and Martzipan). They perhaps coast on one main salient point (eg, Kingkiller gets recced because people who read Dan Brown novels think it's good prose, Black Company is one of the original grimderps, ASoIaF is accessible and has tons of tweeests) but don't really do anything new or exciting/interesting to tug the heartstrings of the people who actually care about awards.

Additionally many long-running series are less likely to get nominations because "I'm not reading 8 books just to see if this one is good!" or because the author flames out near the end (there's a notable decline in quality in the Black Company after they get to Fantasy Africa/India and eventually it feels like Cook is just milking it for more money), and a lot of the time they might miss the Zietgiest of what is popular. Eg, aside from it's writing style, Black Company arrived in a period where high/epic fantasy was still the top dog.

>>11499457
i'm sorry for your loss.

>>11498555
You forgot the part where the tanned asians are aliens who invaded the planet untold centuries before the events of the series and they brought a god of hatred with them.

>>11498591
>got lazy after he got famous

Incorrect, he was ALWAYS lazy. Look at him, you don't get and stay that fat if you're a motivated person. He was always about writing for TV full time anyhow, and now he finally got his wish. Consider the series as good as over with because even if he did take time off from sucking HBO's dick he'd be dead long before he finished anything.

Besides, his old scifi is way better than asoiaf ever was.

>Sanderson is pumping out book after book nonstop for multiple series that take place in his own universe
>Average fantasy writer can barely put out one within 8 years

damn

>>11499751
average web novel writer has like 5 times the productivity of a "professional author"

>>11499751
the Stephen Kunt of fantasy
zero literary quality

>>11499794
>Wildbow has been writing nonstop since he started Worm in 2013
>Has never missed an update
>3 stories already completed, one ongoing

How the fuck do these faggots do it? Most people struggle to write 500 words a day and here comes these fucks warming up at the start of the day by writing novellas.

>>11499842
Just gotta write at 150 words per minute, it ain't hard

>>11499345
Hugo/Nebula awards are for a single book. I wouldn't give an unfinished story an award or even the last book of a series because that means you'd have to read the previous books.

What Sword and Planet novels do you guys recommend? I've already read A Princess of Mars and some Gor.

Imagine GRRM dying and Sanderson having to finish the rest of ASOIAF.

>>11500011

I'd be somewhat ok with it, at least we know it's getting done.

>>11499794
and the quality is divided by five.

>>11499852
They just introduced a Hugo for series awards.

It's hard to find reviews of a entire series too, most of the time reviews for the later books are either by total fans who'd give a 5/5/ rating to a piece of bark with a spaceship/elf drawn on it with mud, or by disillusioned fans now mad at the author for wasting their time.

>>11500011
>Sanderson releases final two books in 3 years along with another Stormlight, Mistborn, and various other offerings

Might as well have Rothfuss die too and let Sanderson sort that mess out as well

>>11500011
>reading game of thrones

According to this thread Blindsight and Book of the New Sun are the only books of their respective genres worth reading.

What's your favorite and least favorite trope?

>>11498462
lol

Tell me about it.

>>11494820
Definitely check out Too Like the Lightning

>>11500099
I mean Blindsight is pretty good
Echopraxia was also really good
Would like some more space horror in its vein though

>>11494724
It's one of hos slower and harder to get into novels. If you don't like it, then try another one: Ubik, Three Stigmata, Time out of Joint

>>11494724
Seconding the other anon, read Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch and also A Maze of Death

Why didn't you tell me about Tolkien?

>>11500099
Read any Dick over blindsight

>>11500109
>favorite
bad guy or anti hero ends up helping the heros in the end
>least favorite
probably female characters that are really good at archery. which is a weapon that requires a shitload of upper body strength.

>>11500749
you asked this last thread.

what's with all these retards repeating themselves lately in /sffg/?

>>11499842
dude just write lmao

How do you feel about The Last Unicorn, /sffg/?
I just finished reading it, quite enjoyed it.
I realize a big part of it is nostalgia because it reminded me of the animated version I watched like 30 years ago but I'd still say that it's a good read even for people who never watched that.

>>11494753
>the dog wasn't 100% a dog the WHOLE TIME
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK

>>11496454
IS THAT A FUCKING NIPPLE!?

>>11499490
>he thinks that thing is female

>>11501045
Last unicorn was shit. I knew the people that liked it and shilled it were going off of nostalgia.
>reminded me of the animated version I watched like 30 years ago
thanks for proving me right.

>start reading a new one everytime i reach 10%
im never going to finish a book

>>11501475
I am just throwing it out there, but have you tried reading a good book? One of those mythical works that will grab your attention?

>>11501488
im just reading whatever title shows up here

>>11501529
That's a recipe for disaster.
Unfortunately, taken as a a whole, this general has horrible taste. I think Amazon recommends me better books than the shit being discussed here regularly.

>>11501549
Yeah all the wolfe shitters are realaly obnoxious.
Honestly wish we could ban them.

>>11501590
Yeah there would be more discussion of book eight of Saga of the Burning Wheel of Blades.

>>11501488
is that a...?

>>11497095
I guess what you have mentioned is the audiobook version. I would like to have the text version of them... Google and pirate sites are not giving me a good result.

>>11501643
well that's a shame.
I guess if they're not on google or pirate sites you're not going to be able to find them.
boo hoo

do real life bullies actually do this kind of stuff or is it just american fiction

>>11501655
some thin-skinned web author said he would never read worm purely because the bullying was too real for him to handle

>>11501655
Depends on where you go to school and the kids that go there. But American public schools are just shitty in general.

>>11501658
The bullying isn't even that bad and it goes away after the first few chapters. It really amazes me how people literally get triggered over the stuff that happens in Worm when it's nothing compared to entry level GRI.

>>11501671
Yeah but I masturbate to GRI but not to bullying?

>>11501671
it might be because it's more believable and less extreme than GRI that people more easily relate to it and get triggered, basically what he said: >>11501682

Did anyone here read Battle Mage by Peter Flannery? The blurb sounds pretty bad and the cover is terrible but the reviews for it are pretty much all praise, I don't know if I'm getting memed.

>>11501686
Guess that explains why people were more angrier at a religious cult of superhumans than the little girl superhuman knowledge of biology giving people fates worse than death and her band of buddies that literally ride around America slaughtering towns.

>>11501716
is that from worm?
goddamn spoilers

>>11501737
They're both mentioned pretty early on anyway.

>>11501045
The Last Unicorn is one of my favorites now. I specifically liked the way magic was used, very archetypal, no "system", and the prose is great too.

I read the book a couple of years ago, long after college. I've never seen the cartoon until after the book. The cartoon wasn't as good. It had a very dated style.

>>11501704
All fantasy novels are utter shit.
You're being meme'd hard.

american teenage girls seems really bitchy
glad im not born there

>>11501932
Damn, guess I should have specified relative to other fantasy novels in the science fiction and fantasy general. Thank you for the valuable input, shit-eating faggot.

>>11501974

>>11501990
god i wish that were me

>>11501998
yeah i wish i had powers too

>>11496433
>northern lights

>"religion bad!!! god dies in an easily missable paragraph xD LE EASTERN PHILOSOPHY :O"

>>11499254
>reading recommended self-published book
>"man, this looks like a shitty xianxia wtf"
>guy punches the oldest tree of the forest into oblivion
Can confirm. I don't know why someone recommended me Will Wight, and his other book isn't much better.

>>11501990
SUCH A LOSER
SHE DIDNT EVEN DO HER HOMEWORK
FRIGGIN LOSER

I'm looking for more easy reading scifi like pic related, bonus is an audio version has also been released.

>>11501975
u mad

>>11499842
It's not about writing, it's about editing and quality control. I can write the first draft of a novel in as little as a month, usually more like 2/2.5 average. Then it needs to be reread, mentally processed, then rewritten twice, then edited and probably rewritten again and edited again, then sent out to beta readers and then to my actual editor/agent. This is how the process works for those who care about their writing beyond the naked plot.

Web writers are writing for those who care only about the story and its progression and their prose and flow both suffer immensely.

>>11499842
realistically speaking theres nothing stopping authors from releasing a book every month. many authors, even if they are mostly indie, release a full size novel about once a month while still having enough free time for family and friends.
i think its all about motivation and work ethic. many big authors are also held back by their publishers. there was a thing a few years back where some bigshot came clean about having written many actual books in a time frame where he hasnt actually released anything because his publisher wanted to pad out sales of one book through marketing and hype.

>>11496998
ok this is AWESOME

Just finished Unhewn Throne lads, what can fill this hole?

I am considering making a Discord for writers to discuss writing and critique each other's work. How much interest would there be in this sort of thing, and does this already exist?

I'm thinking of making it joinable by application only because in the past when looking for proofreading partners, most of the people I met were 15 year old idiots with poorly written edgelord stories. I hate the idea of telling people they suck too much to join, and I don't even know how I could be an objective judge for something like writing quality, but I do want this to be a place for serious writers.

>>11502219
this tart

>>11502290
can i join and be a lurker
i want to learn how to write but i guess i can watch people doing it first

>>11502290
How long have you been coming to 4chan? Legitimate question because I want to see how long you've had to assimilate to our culture.

>>11502311
10 years, but I don't visit /lit/ very often unless I have a specific reason. What does that have to do with anything, though?

>>11502322
Because discordfaggots need to fuck off

>>11502322
>How much interest would there be in this sort of thing, and does this already exist?
It's almost like there's a Literary Critique Thread, or a Sci-Fi general

>>11502290
I was in from /lit/ before and it was really bad. I tried my best to stay with it, but the elitist circlejerk steadily grew unbearable. I wouldn't place a quality barrier for entry, but I would have some sort of test, maybe just that they can post a chapter of something they've written, even if its shit, to prove they will create and contribute content. The more you try to cater to "serious writers", with users from /lit/ or places like it, you're going to get tons of people that refuse to read anything except "literature" tier stories, then everyone will stop writing/submitting them because there is that general feeling of disdain being fostered, then it will die as people realize its pointless and leave.

tl;dr people who suck get better, and also contribute to a lively and creative environment by inspiring those who don't suck to help teach them and prevent elitist stagnancy from setting in

>>11502332
There isn't a critique thread in the catalog.

>>11501655
I asked the same thing 6 or 7 threads ago regarding that exact passage

>>11501704
How do you covers like this even get made? How does someone look at this and think it's acceptable?

>>11502479
The only real way to truly get back at a bully is to rape them.

>>11501655
>Having a black girl bully a nerdy white one

Oh man.

>>11501704
>Main character's name is FALCO DANTE.
Is this self-published? That would explain the awful cover and title.

>>11501704
Battlemage is better.

>>11502463
There you go

Any first contact stories that deal with people whose beliefs (religious, nationalist, etc.) are in tension with the existence of aliens? e.g. what would the pope say if he saw a Martian spaceship?

>>11502603
wth is that pic

what should i read first by ursula leguinn?

>>11502626
How new are you faggot

>>11502626
lurk more, newfag

>>11502637
A Wizard of Earthsea

>>11502637
The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas
that's the only thing I read by her but it was p. good

>>11502642
>>11502647
my first hour here

>>11502637
You shouldn't. I HATE it.
Everyone saying otherwise must be wrong
>dude le demon was part of himself lmao
FUCK OFF

>>11502290
I'll join if it's sffg, will probably sit out / lurk if it has outer lit too.

>>11494084
I'm going to be the Tolkein of steampunk

>>11502898
It's not going to be a 4chan exclusive group.

>>11502626
Ayyyy lmao

>>11502603
The Catholic Church doesn't deny the possibility of extraterrestrial life.

>>11502479
will she ever get revenge

>>11502603
The Sparrow is a first contact story with very heavy handed religious themes, but there isn't any tension. I think most religious people would just conclude that god made the aliens in addition to humans and try to convert them.

Writers of the Future, before it turned to shit, used to feature some really good stories about religion. There was one about Muslims migrating to another planet that had alien life on it. I'll look for the title if you care.

>>11503110
I stopped reading it at 24% so I don't know.

>>11503110
no; getting revenge on people who have tormented you is immoral. she mainly just thinks she's better than her tormentors and uses that as her excuse not to brutally kill them

Is this any good?
I like Baxter but no so much Reynolds.

>>11503123
im still at 4.9% you got pretty far

>>11503133
>Readers should be cautioned that Worm is fairly dark as fiction goes, and it gets far darker as the story progresses.
>revenge is immoral
lmao
now i just hope the story can keep me interested

>>11503162
>search lights on a space ship

>>11503174
>dark
>this means all characters should be full on psychopaths
uh?

>>11502637
lathe of heaven

>>11503110
In a roundabout way she does, but it's not a direct thing. If you want spoilers They eventually find out she's a cape and could've killed or harmed them at any time and live their life in constant fear (except Sophia since she's a cape too and just accepts it) that she has second thoughts to the point one of them kills herself by proxy near the end of the story there's also the fact that Regent takes over Shadowstalker/Sophia's body after they kidnap her and pretty much ruins her life while she's fully aware of going on

>>11503251
*what's going on

>>11499751
The "average" fantasy author puts out an average of 1 book a year. GRRM and Rothfuss aren't average. They're celebrity authors. GRRM at least had to write a ton of shit before he reached that status thanks to HBO's adaptation of his biggest work taking off the way it did. By comparison I have no idea why Rothfuss is such a big name. He's written 2/3 of a trilogy and while it was hot shit at the time I don't know how it has sustained more than 10 years of celebrity status. It feels like Rothfuss has spent more time as a socialite than a writer to the point that you can't even call him a novelist anymore. He's a professional celebrity. His job is going to cons and signings. GRRM at least spent decades working as a writer in television and fiction so he's still more writer than celebrity even at this point.

>>11501605
>have to use a made up example because you don't even read contemporary fantasy
The state of dino posters.

>>11503316
I was too busy reading The Kingdom of Fatemarked Regicide.

>>11496433
>bartimaeus
Comrade.
That was my shit. Should've been more famous.

>>11502603
>>11503117
Seconding The Sparrow. It's good but dark.

>>11502637
Wizard of Earthsea is her best.

>>11499842
>Worm finished in November of 2013. A polished version is in the works for print/ebook release.
Some people are naturally verbose but it can be learned. I've done NaNoWriMo a bunch of times and I figured out how to generate a lot of output. The daily word count is 1,667 to "win" but I was crushing it easily last year after a bunch of losses.

Imagine getting your benis sucked at the Waystone Inn because Bast lost a bet. Lol!

>>11503289
>It feels like Rothfuss has spent more time as a socialite than a writer
This is precisely why he has sustained his popularity. If you can shmooz yourself onto people and become an e-celeb, you're set with marketing for years to come.

>>11503162
I liked it, and have a copy. Be sure to read the Arthur C Clarke story this is a sequel to.

>>11503181
Cover art ships rarely accurately depict descriptions in the book. Just look at this translated book cover, another book in this series had the Daedalus from Stargate "borrowed".

>Convenient Trial or Location that prevents people the protag can't handle from entering

whatta poopy trope

>>11503181
>>11503633
Writers don't get to pick their cover art at the big publishing houses. You can blame the marketing departments.

listened to this. This book is 60 hours long, only interesting thing about this book was skipping a part of it then trying to figure out what is happening and doing it again . Now for a time any other ok tier book i will read will become great tier

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxFySrqdi8E
a master at work

>>11503902
Idk how people do this before writing.
This is all stuff I do on a rewrite, and it's all done mentally when rereading chapters.

>>11504011
I don't know how people write without outlining. I don't get as detailed as Sandman, but jotting down all the main scenes is something I need to do. Writing without it is almost impossible.

>>11504029
Yeah, and it equally boggles my mind that people can write with an outline. When I outline, it becomes static and boring; a task I'm fulfilling. Whereas writing by the seat of my pants, I experience the whole story live and get to see the twists and turns as they happen, almost as a third party. Then I finish it and realize that what I felt is not what I wrote, and that's when I rewrite it two or three times until it feels exactly as I felt. I'm envious of those who outline, because I imagine the rewrite process is not as total and intensive.

>>11494084
Whats a good space opera with a huge, developed world and great imagery?

How many points of view for a proper story

>>11504408
Hyperion

>>11503902
>>11504059
I make an outline but new ideas always come up as I write. It's my guide not the law.

>>11504420
There is no right answer. It depends on how good of a writer you are.

>>11504408
Revelation Space

>glass candles that allow others to communicate across long distances post YFW George R.R. Martin rips off Wolfe and the world of GOT is post apocalyptic with advanced technology which means Martin gets praised as the first fantasy writer to do something so bold

>>11504624
I'd be pissed because he hasn't even scratched the surface on the foreshadowing required to pull that off tastefully.

>>11504624
Wolfe wasn't the first to do post-apoc fantasy. Jack Vance did it in 1950 and I'm sure there were earlier works.

>>11504624
>>11504641
The worldbuilding largely discounts that. It seems to bee too much of a parallel of earth-like human natural history with added fantastical races and cousin homo-s, at least that's what I got reading World of Ice and Fire.

>>11500011
>GRRM dies of massive coronary and sets world records for the hardest and most clogged arteries ever
>Sanderson is contracted to finish his work
>disregards both the show and GRRM's notes and takes the story in a completely different direction

Didn't know I could get this hard. It hurts, actually.

>>11504728
>Less politics
>NO sex
>More fight scenes
>Magic is now structured and organized like video game skilltrees
>Every female character is 'witty'
>Shitty dialogue across the board

I'm down.

>>11500011
Feast for Crows was bullshit. I'm glad I dropped the series and never looked back.

>>11500011
>Sanderson having to finish the rest

>>11501655
Not so much for guys, most you get is some name calling, general insults, questioning your sexuality, fights here and there, etc.

Girls, though, they go out of their way to make each other want to commit suicide. and they'll feel 100% justified in doing what they're doing even if they actually know its fucked up and wrong. I've personally overheard an 11 year old girl tell another 11 year old girl that no one will ever love her because she's ugly and that she should just give up and hang herself right now, and with such fucking conviction that I was sickened. I know I'm on 4chan, but these were goddamned kids.

Of course you might not see any of that. Ultimately it depends on the specific school and the quality of the people who's kids attend. A school system that cares more about its image and protecting its own ass than the children in their charge and their emotional and physical well being is gonna be chock fucking full of bullying shits. Parents who don't understand that its their fucking job to teach their kids to be human beings are another major factor. You get that shit all over, though, not just here in Burger Nation.

>>11503700
Charles Stross did a good post about that a while back.
http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2010/03/cmap-6-why-did-you-pick-such-a.html

>>11504701
I've seen at least a few sword and sorcery stories from the 30s that are "post apocalyptic", eg the Conan stories take place after the destruction of Atlantis.

And I suppose in a more abstract fashion you could consider early modern to Victorian period stuff pining for the days of glorious Rome to be post-apocalyptic.

>>11503077
It denies the existence of extraterrestrial life that vastly predates our own. It has to, or its entire belief system starts unraveling faster than it already is.

>>11503133
You know where you are, right? Morals are subjective, bub.

>>11504641
>expecting anything tasteful out of that tub of fat and lazy

I really like his old scifi, though.

what are some good fantasy books with great female love interests?

If a setting is at the tech level we're at now and is fantasy, is it urban fantasy?

>>11504935
not necessarily

Hello

Someone recommend me a book!

>>11505004
House of the Scorpion

>>11505004
A Practical Guide to Evil.

I'd by this if it wasn't for the shittest cover

Just ordered these 3... what am I in for?

>That one fag on the forums who calls everything a retcon if it gets explained in detail in the next book

>>11505086
>Those fags that literally only know the story through synopses, fanfiction, and fanon claiming the source material is bad despite not having read a single word of it
>Fags that think they know everything about cultures, history, architecture, economics, or etc because they took a college class on it and the story wasn't 1:1 with how it'd be realistically

>>11505068
good, but dated classic scifi

>>11505068
Rendezvous with Rama was the most boring shit I ever read, but plenty of people think it's amazing so whatever, you might like it. John Varley's Titan is almost the same story but with actual aliens and vivid imagery, and I happened to read that first so it probably spoiled me.

>>11505151
>and the story wasn't 1:1 with how it'd be realistically
This annoys me the most. Along with people complaining about anything not being "historically accurate" in a fantasy setting. I question whether these morons even understand what fiction means.

Should I start here with Egan, or ease my way into his stuff. If I like Jean Baudrillard and Nick Bostrom does this have the same sort of "feeling" in regards to simulation theory as them?

>>11503624
It just feels unfair that a confirmed hack like Rothfuss can enjoy celebrity status despite writing absolutely nothing of note for the last 10 years while hardworking authors toil away in obscurity.

>>11505170
It was quite a trip. I'd read some of the concepts before, but Permutation City went into a lot more depth and extrapolated reasonable results. The guy with the random hobbies got to me a bit.

>>11504728
GRRM has it in his will that nobody is allowed to finish his books if he dies without completing them. He's also extremely anti-fanfiction of his works as well. He's just plain overprotective of his IPs.

Who are the Nobility of the Light?

>>11468523
warosu.org/lit/thread/11468523

>>11504935
Urban fantasy requires an urban setting. You could have modern tech and be set in a remote wilderness or rural countryside.

Never read Mielville before, but this is pretty good. Albeit some cringy spots but, just fun

>>11505151
>they only fucking communicate with TV Tropes buzzwords

>>11505169
It's a legitimate complaint when the author is intentionally trying to make the setting "historic" and the errors are more blatantly wrong pop-history things like "knights had to be put onto their horses with cranes."

>>11504408
star wars

>>11505225
TVTropes is a fun laugh and a good time killer but I pity people who actually spend a lot of time there, they seem like miserably awkward fucks
Also its literature pages suck ass

What are some good sci-fi that goes with vaping?

>Malazan
Just spent a few hours reading House of Chains by the lake today, now nearly half way through, and I've got to ask... how does it just keep getting better??? Memories of Ice was an easy 10/10 for me, and this one already feels significantly better. How did this guy do it?

The fantasy science fiction is the most vile tool of Archon meta-hegemony to disseminate the disinformation of fact-fiction supplanting the fact-truth of Jesus Christ. The overlap of the vicious tines of the Archon intellectual pincer, science and fiction, induces absolute disorientation from unambiguous fact-truth to merge wholly the dualities of fact and fiction creating a prime disruptive mind for Archon enthrallment.

Am I an idiot or is fantasy a lot harder to write compared to science fiction, even when you're copying everything from Tolkien?

>>11505387
based and redpilled

>>11505390
You are the greatest sinner and Archon shill who willfully and maliciously disseminates the synthesis of hitherto incompatible Archon lies of science and fiction to create absolute destruction of the man mind. Satanic will permeates and penetrates every atomic facet of your Archon-compliant publications and the kingdom of heaven will forever shun you for this unforgivable blasphemy.

>>11505392
Fuck you Archon shill

>>11505238
I dislike TV Tropes because it's used as a crutch for actually describing things, replacing discussion with obscure buzzwords and proprietary terms, pigeonholing things into neat little boxes with neat little labels and throwing away any nuance they may have had.

>>11505406
It's even worse when tvtropes takes terms like "deconstruction" and completely neuters them into something else.

>>11505406
>>11505435
The hypercompartmentalization orchestrated within the halls of TV Tropes is the endgame of Archon stupid education to be so enthralled by the pull of fact-fiction as to devote existence to the categorical worship of Archon deception.

>>11501766
>The cartoon wasn't as good. It had a very dated style.
>It had a very dated style.
>very dated style.
>dated
>style

>>11501655
I never saw or even heard about any bullying happen at my school. Other than what was done by me when I was in elementary, but that wasn't especially bad. One of my (childhood and current) friends apparently got bullied pretty severely at his school though, but I don't really know the details because I only heard about it from my mom who heard about it from his mom, because it's not something he talks about. He ended up changing schools and then being homeschooled because of it.

>>11502603
There's not really any conflict there that I know of. But if you're willing to branch out to general religion/first contact, there's some in Speaker for the Dead and Xenocide (books 2 and 3 of the Ender's Game series).

>>11505339
If it's any consolation the next book is highly polarizing. Not spoiling much, but it's even more of a plot, setting, and character shift than any of the prior books.

I still love them all though, and Midnight Tides is probably an easy top 3 for Malazan.

>>11505473
>>11505397
>>11505387
Are you retarded?

Most American """"literature"""" is pure garbage.

You literally think that there's thought out into this?

You must be memeing

You goddamn retard

What horrible genetic travesty lead to you posting this?

In CANADA our works are superior

Peter Watts, Patrick Lestewka/Nick Cutter, just to name a *few*

You ever see how good the Brigador book was? Well of course not

You were too busy listen to President CheetoPuff's propaganda, while chugging burger, watered down beer, and large quantities of Alex Jones' vitamins

Literally FUCK yourself

To all the Americans reading this comment; FUCK YOU, and FUCK AMERICA

CANADA IS A VASTLY SUPERIOR COUNTRY

We aren't obese

We have better authors

And best of all, our culture is *choice*

So again, FUCK OFF

>>11505510
>In CANADA our works are superior
>Peter Watts

superior at attacking border patrol agents with his fists maybe.

>>11505510
Stupid emotional Archon shill bound in automatism to defense of his beloved fact-fiction and the automatic tantrum upon destruction of his intellectual foundation.

>>11505505
yea it's like way into the past right? i'm looking forward to it, i've already got it checked out and on my shelf since i plan on getting to it pretty quickly

>>11505542
It's set before the events of the first book in a completely different location with completely different characters. That setting ends up being central to the final plot of the books though.

>>11505552
yea thought that would be the case, kind of a more extreme complete-book version of the Karsa Orlong saga. i'm assuming he's a central character to the whole rest of the tale, too

>>11505527
>Americans are so deluded with their God complex that they think everyone else is ayyyyyyyyyyyyliens

Fuck yourself with a rusty strap on

>>11505517
Yeah, we have macho unlike you fat fucks

slaveanon where is the new thread

>>11505339
Is this good or just a meme?

>>11502075
>Audio books

>>11505510
Is this performance art?

>>11505571
Well... not as much as you'd think. If I have one major gripe about the series it's that Karsa Orlong's story never ties too closely into the "main plot" of MBotF.

I really like Karsa Orlong though, he just sort of weaves in and out of the story encountering different characters. I'm not really sure Erickson knew what he wanted to do with him though, hence he ends up sort of aimless as a result.

>>11494084
FIY Worldcon drama unfolding as we speak.
Email sent out "misgendered" a nominated fan writer as he when his pronoun is "em."
Side drama about too many white people on panels and a comment about how the people attending the conference don't know who most of the nominees are.
People dropping out and demanding refunds.

>>11506046
>so beautiful
I guess dragon con is the one to watch for good writers now.

>>11500011
You know Daniel Abraham/James sa Corey is already lined up for the job.

>>11506046
Am I supposed to know what that is?

>>11494084
I just finished Childhoods End

not sure how I feel right now

>>11506046
>for information your

Who else enjoyed the blade itself trilogy? Glokta is a hoot

>>11506291
>Who else enjoyed the blade itself trilogy
Not me.

>>11506294
I forgot no one here actually enjoys reading books

>>11506295
yes we read stuff so we can shit on it

>>11506295
Oh I love reading books. I just finished a couple of Conan stories, they were great. It's just that Abercrombie is a really shitty writer and The Blade Itself is a really boring book.

>>11506193
Did you enjoy it at least? Childhood's End is one of my favorite sci fi books, but not for its ending

New thread

>>11506416
>>11506416
>>11506416

>>11506417
>>11506417
>>11506417
>>11506417

NEW THREAD

>>11506418
>>11506420
Fugg guys

>>11506418
fuck you nigger were using my thread

>>11506418
Space Moby Dick edition

>>11506427
I'm not so petty that I care about something like that

>>11506427
*We're