/lit/ - Literature

As a lawyer you would likely be interested in the works of the sophists.

No lawyer is complete without his copy of hypersphere

Read Nick Land's blog

You mean philosophy of law?

>>11448884
the Talmud

>>11448884

>>11448896
I tried to contribute to the best novel of the 21st century, but retards deleted my contribution so the book is shit.

>>11448884
The Talmud

>>11448901
Yes

>>11448909
really?

>>11448884
I would've recommended a philosophy of law book that I really liked, but instead I shall recommend that you not post jezebels on here.

>>11448919
I agree with the don't post jezebels thing but now I want to know the book.

>>11448919
I'm sorry elijah but your gods are wrong

>>11448913
Start with the Hart

Always go with haygull

>>11448951
Get squawkin' with Dworkin

>>11448927
Eh, fine. Pic related. It can get a bit continental at times, but for the most part it's accessible and deals mostly with American authors within the domain of law (despite what the might suggest).

>>11448978
* what the title might suggest

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Read some analytic philosophy. Get a good book on logic/reason and argument. That will serve you far better as a lawyer than muh Greeks and muh continentals.

I think law/jurisprudence needs to be reformed quite frankly and administered au gratis. Get people in there who actually administer justice in a speedy manner and stop fucking around with the elongated times of litigation and summons.

The only reason why the death penalty isn’t feasible is because of death row waiting time. Cut that shot out

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NO MORE JEZEBELS

>>11451297
>>11450217
fuck you jezebelposter

>>11450310
Just limit the appeals.
Fuck the ACLU while we're at it.

>lawyer

kys

>>11451298
good thing OP didn't post one.

>>11451425
Being this salty at lawyers.

>>11448884
The Epistemology of Cement Shoes on the Seafloor

>>11451478
Small chuckle.

STOP POSTING JEZEBELS I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>11448884
Hans Kelsen and Norberto Bobbio are my favorite juridic authors.

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>>11451581
y'all jezebelposters are killing my man wojak

bumpin

Read some Scalia man.

>>11448884
>>11453318
>tfw unironically paying $300k on law school to give myself a chance of becoming a beta provider for one of these knd of women in 15 years when they are old and used up

I know its wrong but its the only path that leads to hope

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>>11453476
Who hurt you anon?

>>11453455
>reading a fascist's writings

back to /pol/

>>11453493
*snap* Such shitty bait

Read Roberto, utilise Unger.

>>11453472
op here
In my country most universities are free and the most prestigious also

>>11453609
Which country?

>>11453609
What law school?

>>11453614
India

>>11448884
Who is this sæmon dæmon?

>>11453865
So what Law School?

>>11450310
>I think law/jurisprudence needs to be reformed quite frankly and administered au gratis. Get people in there who actually administer justice in a speedy manner and stop fucking around with the elongated times of litigation and summons.

From Priscus's account of visiting the court of Attila

He considered his new life among the Scythians better than his old life among the Romans. . . the condition of the subjects in time of peace is far more grievous than the evils of war . . . because the laws are practically not valid against all classes. A transgressor who belongs to the wealthy classes is not punished for his injustice, while a poor man, who does not understand business, undergoes the legal penalty, that is if he does not depart this life before the trial, so long is the course of lawsuits protracted, and so much money is expended on them. The climax of the misery is to have to pay in order to obtain justice. For no one will give a court to the injured man unless he pay a sum of money to the judge and the judge's clerks."

[cont.]
In reply to this attack on the Empire, I asked him to be good enough to listen with patience to the other side of the question. "The creators of the Roman republic," I said, "who were wise and good men, in order to prevent things from being done at haphazard made one class of men guardians of the laws .... To those who protect the interests of the litigants a sum of money is paid by the latter, just as a payment is made by the farmers to the soldiers. Is it not fair to support him who assists and requite him for his kindness? .... Those who spend money on a suit and lose it in the end cannot fairly put it down to anything but the injustice of their case. And as to the long time spent on lawsuits, that is due to concern for justice, that judges may not fail in passing correct judgments, by having to give sentence offhand; it is better that they should reflect, and conclude the case more tardily, than that by judging in a hurry they should both injure man and transgress against the Deity, the institutor of justice....

My interlocutor shed tears, and confessed that the laws and constitution of the Romans were fair, but deplored that the governors, not possessing the spirit of former generations, were ruining the State."

http://faculty.georgetown.edu/jod/texts/priscus.html

>>11453997
Your sister.

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The Trial, The Death of Ivan Ilyich

>>11448884

Crime and punishment

>>11453472
I believe in you, anon. You will become the beta you've always wanted to be, and take care of a washed up qt art hoe.

>>11453865
>prestigious
>no Indian law school in the top 50 world rankings

Anon please.

>>11453472
If it means anything, I got into a pretty damn good medical school, realized that it was just a trade job for very intelligent people (ex. someone making high-level decisions at a pharm company saves 10X more lives per year than a physician), and I am now applying to law school this cycle (I'm in my mid 20s). If you are having issues with women, the tough facts are that you should be messing around with women, either loosely or in a relationship, throughout schooling - not following completion. I made that mistake in thought throughout undergrad so "I could get into medical school, and find a great girl later". Did some self analysis/hating, got myself into shape (/fit/ helped), and made an effort with women. The two need not be mutually exclusive. I hope that sincerely helps.

>>11451397
Amen

Can we please stop talking about gay talmudism and discuss this jezabel? For starters, is she a virgin?

>>11448884
Lawer is a field concerns mostly of Moral philosophy. Books about Buddhism should be best for you, since it's, in some aspect, religious moral philosophy, and a moral system, not only for people who is in a society, but also to the universe. When you are familiar with the universal rules of morality, specific cases in a specific system should be easy.

it's all trash don't do it anon

It isn't all trash, do it anon!

>>11453318
Source?

Read Thomas Hobbes,.

>>11448884
My legal philosophy essentials:
At least Republic and Laws by Plato.
Ethica, Politica and Rhetorica by Aristotle.
Augustines City of God for the foundation of natural law. Grotius, Hobbes, Lock and Rousseau for the basics of modern political thought. Austin, Hart, Dworkin are the core of legal philosophy. Tom Tyler & Nils Christie to get a clear concept of the procedural vs restorative criminal justice theories.

>>11453318
Shieeet

>>11448884
I WANT

>>11460125
Tell us more about Tyler, Nils, and Christie?

>>11448884
For a future lawyer? Aristotle's Organon (a set of treatises on reasoning, argument, and kinds of knowledge), and his rhetoric. Plato's dialogue, The Laws, would also be interesting to look at with the question of what Law is in mind (supplement with the commentaries of Al-Farabi, Strauss, and Benardete). Look into Aquinas's Summa Theologicae for a phenomenal example of how to develop objections and responses to said objections (regardless of where you stand religiously).

Carl Schmitt.

>>11451425
t. Couldn't get into law school.

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>>11448884
anon I can't find the sauce anywhere. If you give it to mew I will recc some obscure law books from my country

>>11448884
Plato's The Laws
Cicero's On Obligations
Read Leviathan by Thomas Hobbes

Basically this >>11460125 anon is correct.

If you're an American, actually read the Constitution carefully, as well as the Federalist Papers in full. Also this nigga right here >>11453455

>>11448964
And finish with the Finnis

>>11462539
Getting into -a- law school is nothing. There are literally hundreds of shit-tier schools that take LSAT scores below 160.

>>11463394
Not OP but can you please tell us about those obscure law books from your country? Which country by the way?

John Rawls.

My diary, desu.

>>11448887
kek

>>11461671
Nils Christie is the founder of the victimology subdiscipline of criminology and of the modern restorative justice movement. The restorative justice movement is one of the most effective lobbying groups effecting policy change in criminal and civil justice today. Their core beliefs are that victims deserve more rights and that the legal system should be primarily focussed on nullifying the effects of a crime. This theory is slowly but radically changing legal systems across the world.

Tom Tyler is a legal philosopher who defends classical legal principles like the presumption of innocence against modern critics like Christie in their own language. He usses a lot of criminological research for instance. His type of legal philosophers are sometimes called procedural justice advocates.

Tyler and Christie are great legal philosophers to study together because the debate between them is becoming more and more relevant. But they also illustrate how legal philosophy is turning into an evidence based discipline.

>>11463893
not until i get source on my new wife

>>11465512
Ok, she said she'll message you on here if you post the recommendations for us.

>>11465543
Defensio Fidei Catholicae adversus Anglicanae sectae errores - Suárez

De potestate civili, Del Homicidio, De matrimonio - Vitoria

Much easier to find is Donoso Cortés (The biggest influence on Schmitt)

>>11448884

Der Jude.

Plato's Republic and Laws.

>>11448917
>>11448917

Yes. it is a study of law. the oldest one

>>11465972
Really Rabbi?

>>11465872
Thanks anon. Any other influences on Schmitt that you'd recommend?

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>>11466518
t. Der jude

>>11466515
I guess De Maistre and Bonald

>>11466578
Awesome. Let me know if any other secondary readings come to mind.

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STEMfag here thinking about going to law school to be a patent lawyer. Is it worth it lads?

>>11448917
know the enemy, or join him

>>11468124
I'm not sure about the end goal of becoming a patent lawyer, but yes go to law school. Tell us more about yourself maybe.

>>11468215
>Studying aerospace engineering
>gpa is pretty good right now 3.9+
>Good at writing, definitely above average compared to STEM desu

If law was an undergraduate degree I would have pursued it, but alas it isn't. Went into engineering because I'm good at math and science, I figure that mixing both engineering and law together would be a great fit for me.

>>11468262
Hm ok I'll try to pay more focus to this thread now but yeah it seems like it could be a good path. It'll get you out of the STEM meme trap a bit also.Never planned things out well myself.

>>11467243
Let me know if you got the sauce on this honey

>>11448884
what is the work of a lawyer? do you just make shit up and bend the law to save your client? you would think with written and standardised law code lawyers would be irrelevant in the majority of cases

>>11468544
Google is your friend brainlet

>>11468472
Yeah, but only if you have some more recommendations for me honey.

>>11468917
i'm pretty sure google would give a dishonest definition of the job.

>>11448884
Fear and Loathing in las vegas

>>11470381
Basically just do your fucking research mate.

>>11469183
at least tell me what thread you got that picture from

Read Stirner so that you may know all that you do in your career is a sham.

>>11470803
*snap*

>>11470797
She sent it to me right before I mad this thread sweetie.

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Plato, presocratics and Aristotle

>>11448887
Lool

>>11448884
Literally read a whole law dictionary.
Also that girl is really cute.

>>11471194
But weren't they wrong about a lot.

>>11471260
The point is that you read them and find out by yourself why are they "wrong". Maybe it will even get you interested in later philosophy. The thing is that what most people have in mind when they think of "philosophy" is all in those authors. Contemporary philosophy is radically different.

>>11470984
Why is my wife sending you pictures?

>>11471374
Ask her and then report back to this thread. I'm interested in hearing what she tells you sweetie.

>>11448906
>>11448955
Hegel has absolutely no application to anything in the real world (unless you're just namedropping him to sound smarter like Marx/Engels). Don't waste your time; it's just gibberish.

>>11472011
>Hegel is just gibberish
You're not going to make it anon.

>>11448906
No thanks, I'm waited for the Norton Critical and Oxford editions of Sadler.

>>11472011
You're not going to make it.

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Damn summer, this board moves to fast now.

>>11451442
get out summer fag

>>11475392
I'm a regular here kid.

>>11453640
Harvard

>>11448884
God, I wish that were me.

The Law - Bastiat

>>11476329
What's stopping you anon? ;)

You should get your moral philosophy on point.

crito, hobbes, Rousseau

>>11448884
petrarch's letter to posterity

>>11477054
How?

>>11448884
cat seems fucking huge compared to the girl

Bertrand Russel's "The Problems of Philosophy" is a decent general introduction. I don't know anything you would particularly like based on being a lawyer, maybe philosophies of justice? In which case John Rawls is pretty much the most popular but he's boring as fuck to read.

>>11478042
Ignore this post. Russel is awful. Pick up a few of the many other introductions to philosophy.