/lit/ - Literature

First!

Downloads: https://b-ok.xyz/s/?q=the+stars+my+destination

Hard/realistic sci-fi?

Pls no arthur c clarke, asimov, or niven there's got to be other authors with compelling storiys

>>11434797
Hubble Ultra-Deep Field is one of my favourite images ever, it's so beautiful.

>>11434797
>>11434823
It seems irrational to think that aliens don't exist given this context.

Daily reminder

>>11434827
>It seems irrational to think that aliens don't exist given this context.

Fucking why, intelligent live could have a chance of existing on the basis of 1/10^1000000000000 rendering any chance of it defunct
For all we know by all rightful probabilities we shouldn't even exist

>>11434834
Both your statements are absurd desu

>>11434834
>>11434841
Correction, the first statement is only irrelevant.

>>11434834
According to that picture the Hubble photo would contain up to 10,000,000,000,000,000 stars, which is itself just a tiny fraction of what is visible from Earth.

>>11434847
Its not, there could literally not be enough planets in the Universe to make any intelligent life at all existing a probable fact

Our existence could be a literal lottery win on a cosmic scale

>the future
Nanotechnology
Human augmentation
Test tube organs
Brain wave controlled devices
Terabyte storage will be obsolete like the floppy disk
AIs
Quantum computers
Cellular rejuvenation
Legal self cloning
DNA will be copyrighted
External brain storage
Cyborgs / androids
Personal flight devices (jetpacks / hover bikes, etc)
Batteries that can power a city block that is the size of the one in your UPS
Television will give scents and tastes
The ocean will still not be fully explored even though there are colonies on Mars
Sex with another human will require a permission form signed in triplicate before every act

>>11434886
>Sex with another human will require a permission form signed in triplicate before every act
Sex will only be allowed at a government-designated Copulation Facility under the observance of a Consent Droid able to determine the precise moment in time one of the persons ceases to consent and order the immediate arrest of any person not ceasing activity after the droid sounds its Rape Alarm.

>>11434859
You're not wrong but the magic word is could. There's no reason to believe that life arising is that extremely unlikely.

>there are people who read scifi and are interested in technology ITT that believe earth is the only sentient life in the universe
Jesus fuck. Are you serious?

>>11434915
It seems absurd doesn't it? I think it may be some lingering emotional attachment to the idea of humans being "special" in some way.

Does BOTNS make sense at the end or it will be forever a collection of unsolved puzzles? I already finished the first two book, and there are more questions than answers.

>>11434797
Consider Phlebas

Best WoT girl

>>11434902
Oh yeah, of course

>>11434947
What do you mean by make sense?
I just finished reading Shadow a few days ago. I am now rereading it with the Alzabo Soup podcast and having a good time realizing things I completely glossed over in the first read.

The podcast just brings up things I might've missed. I would recommend giving it try.
First ep. https://alzabosoup.libsyn.com/introduction-and-chapter-1-the-shadow-of-the-torturer


Whether all your questions will be answered or not, I have no clue. I'm in the same boat.

>>11435096
>What do you mean by make sense?

The burning flying castle, who is Dorcas, who is the Concilliator, what happened in the tunnel at the end of the book, etc.

Many of those things are a huge "?" I wonder if they will be ever explained, or not. Book 2 is also full of WTF moments.

>>11435127
I'm just enjoying figuring it all out in the text itself but I only just finished the first one so I don't know if it does answer anything. It's all about the journey for me.

Speaking of the Alzabo, what do you think Thecla tasted like?
a) Her flesh
b) Her vagina

>>11434834
Anywhere life could exist, intelligent life could exist. It's only a matter of time. We're not that fucking special you autistic naysayer.

As everyone knows, aliens visit Earth all the time so they idea they don't exist is ridiculous.

>>11435259
This would explain Rothfuss. One of them surely fucked a badger at one point.

>>11434797
Any good books on Baba Yaga?

>>11435322

here is my current fantasy, i'm on the last book. they get progressively worse, the writing is all over the place, the one good thing i can say about it is i learn a hell of a lot of new words because of all the archaic language. i can't seem to stop, though. i love the world

>>11435334
BPRD obviously

>>11435334
also interested in this- good witch books in general? tried the hangman's daughter but it felt very airport book core

>>11435353
>BPRD
what's that?

>>11435360
Hellboy comics.

>>11435342
he himself knows that when the third book is done no one ever will touch his next unfinished series

>>11435342
>>11435362
>>11435322
He’s my least favorite author as a person. His interviews have had some of the most cringy arrogant shit that I’ve ever read, especially for being such an overrated one hit wonder. And his Twitter is filled with nothing but whining and shrieking about the latest leftist outrage. Fuck that guy.

>>11434797
>western isekai

Why is this the next best thing?

>>11435400
>western isekai
please tell me this is real

>>11435411
it is

In the real world, twenty-one-year-old library sciences student Tina Anderson is invisible and under-appreciated, but in the VR-game Forever Fantasy Online she's Roxxy—the respected leader and main tank of a top-tier raiding guild. Her brother, James Anderson, is a college drop-out struggling under debt, but in FFO he's famous—an explorer known all over the world for doing every quest and collecting the rarest items.

Both Tina and James need the game more than they'd like to admit, but their favorite escape turns into a trap when FFO becomes real. Suddenly, wounds aren’t virtual, the stupid monsters have turned cunning, NPCs start acting like actual people, and death might be forever.

In the real world, everyone said being good at video games was a waste of time. Now, separated across a much larger and more deadly world, their skill at FFO is the only thing keeping them alive. It’s going to take every bit of their expertise (and hoarded loot) to find each other and get back home, but as the harshness of their new reality sets in, Tina and James soon realize that being the best in the game might no longer be good enough.

>>11435414
Do you have this uploaded somewhere?

I'm interested in reading it.

Amberfaggy a hack.

>>11435418
http://audiobookbay.nl/audio-books/forever-fantasy-online-forever-fantasy-online-book-1-rachel-aaron-travis-bach/

>>11435414
So this is the successor to Throne of Glass, eh?
Get bent.

>>11435436
>audio book

I need some epub goodness, can't listen to books on the bus.

>>11435414
Is this just a copy of one of the hundreds of asian virtual reality webnovels with western cliches?

>>11435414
you gonna post this shit on every thread going forward?

>>11435384
He's the absolute opposite of Harlan. Uncle Harley was an absolute treasure in interviews and public speaking in general.

>>11434797
What is the essential Crichton? I've read Jurassic park and the Lost World, because I fucking loved the movies. Now I'm reading The Andromeda Strain. What's a good follow up?

Anybody have some thoughts on a setting I've been thinking of for a series of short stories or novels?

It would be centered around the time humanity first achieved light speed travel and have spread among the solar system, but still have no way to quickly reach another star. A mixture of governments and dynasties have divided the solar system but come together to figure out how to achieve faster-than-light travel.

After creating a series of smaller crafts using a device that allows a ship to use stored power to jump forward in space, they invest a decade of time designing and building the ship and installing a scaled up version of the jump drive.

The ship is massive, carrying a mixture of crew, passengers, and VIP's totaling near 20,000 people with large holds, communal areas, and auditorium. In a Titanic-like frenzy people clamor to get a spot on the ship, including a lottery for people who partake in its construction.

On the day of the launch, everything goes smoothly. The drive powers up normally, the jump goes with no mechanical trouble, but when they go to verify their new location they find that none of the star charts match.

The issue with a jump drive this big is the amount of energy it needs. Relying mostly on an array of solar panels to power the drive, their new position puts them in a location of space that is farther away from any source of sunlight that even with the onboard generator running at full capacity it would take years for another jump. Despite an attempt to simply turn around and jump back to the solar system, nobody is sure if they'll be able to get back.

What follows is how a society of people cut off from their home civilization progresses. When their past lives are still fresh in their minds it's easy to uphold traditional lifestyles and retain the knowledge, but as time goes on some things are forgotten or things break that the only person who knew how to fix it was a loner who died suddenly of food poisoning.

It would be soft sci-fi since it would need to rely on 'magic' for the jump drive and FTL travel (and other conveniences/capabilities that spawn from that) but it would be very ground in the real world. I imagine the technology levels as a the same as we had during the moon landing except with slightly more miniaturization. Standard instant communication via video or audio throughout the ship but no handheld cell-phone like devices.
>Are they in dead space or just too far from the systems sun?
I figure the first jump would put them in dead space where stars are still visible but not nearly as numerous as they had seen before and none that they recognize. The 5 or so years it would take to make the other jump I feel would present a good build-up of hope for people who think they'd be able to turn around and jump back in to their home system. It would provide a timeline where the resource production capabilities are stretch to breaking.
The next jump would take them closer to another system but not their home one. This is when the weight of what has happened would hit people and you would see the paranoia and conflict break out. At this point a few schools of thought will come up that differ on what they feel the new mission of the ship will be. Some see getting home as the only objective and begin devoting their lives to calculating their return and uncovering the initial error of the drive. Even though they are now closer to a new system and have light speed travel the nearest planet is still a years travel each way and the main ship itself does not have LST.
The role I imagine the main character taking is one of a pilot who flies a smaller ship that is capable of LST travel. A ship and crew of this nature is dispatched to every available orbital body in the system with their mission to spend as much time possible on those locations finding the most valuable materials and gathering any scientific information.

>>11435438
>>11435455
It'a part of a series of shit books pushed here semi-ironically. The first one was Library at Mount Char. You'll also notice the quality of the books themselves is dwindling.

Anybody have some recs on witch stories?
How do I get started with Conan?

>>11435472
Ultimately I'm imagining the politics/society breaking down in to a middle-ages style feudalism with various craftsmen using the materials brought in from various planets. Large holds of the ship turn in to make-shift bazaars or slums as the population of the ship increases over the years. Entire portions of the ship become dedicated to sustainable farming using imported dirt, rights break out as a feud between rival families boils over after hundreds of years, and the Jumps themselves become a religious event surrounded with much celebration despite the constant fear of them being flung to the far reaches of space where the sky is nothing but a sheet of black. At that point all it would take is someone to forget how to fix the generator to doom the entirety of the ship.
And another factor is, nobody can be sure what effect the initial error in the jump drive had on time. Were they teleported instantly? Were they sent in to the future? Or maybe the past?

>>11435455
No. Only because it was asked for it.

>>11435478
Just read them however you like, don't be an outerlit pleb

>>11435466
>>11435472
>>11435481

So wait, they forget how to do shit within five years?

There's no reason for the ship to not have manuals and trained engineers for everything.

I like the idea of it though but I don't think your setting is strong enough to support an entire book or trilogy.

>>11435460
There are no bad Crichton books
Just off the top of my head you could go for:
Sphere, Congo, Next, or Prey

Grow a dick you fags and start reading vintage ultra violent folk epics.

>>11435466
>>11435472
Needs more gri

>>11435489
>So wait, they forget how to do shit within five years?
No the first five years are them waiting for the batteries to charge since they are farther away from any stars needed for solar power. They hope that they'll be able to jump back home but wind up in another space they know nothing about. The overall timeline I'm figuring would be in the hundreds of years, with events like a shipwide power-outage contributing to stored data being lost or corrupted, creating a fear of another crash on the ship which pushes people to use paper.

>>11435466
Good premise anon. Just make sure your cast conforms to the ethnic composition of the modern world and that you throw at least three allusions to the dehumanizing aspects of capitalism. Otherwise no one will publish you.

>>11435478
Shadows in Zamboula is my personal favourite Conan.

>>11435490
Well in that case I'll probably go with Next as my follow up because I already own a copy that I haven't gotten around to reading.

>>11435506
Gotta have those ethnically diverse space dynasties

>>11435493
lol Irish didn't look like that

>>11435411
If western xianxia is real, why wouldn’t western isekai be real?

>>11435096
Would you not rather re read after finishes the 4 of them?

Are there any books that involve romance between a man and his spaceship

>>11435901
And a genre was born

>>11434820
Peter Watts

>>11434081
What the actual fuck. I was considering starting discworld but I didn't know it was such a clusterfuck.

>>11435901
I second this

>>11435943
Just read them in publication order.

>>11435947
Alright, I'll do that when I get around to it.

Thoughts on Jules Verne's stories?

I just can't stop reading Throne of Glass.

>>11435901
theres romance between a ship and his crew.
try bobbiverse.
too many points of views in my opinion though.

>>11434823
this legitimately looks like something out of those i spy books from childhood. truth truly is stranger than fiction

I'm up to chapter 11 of The Forever War.
D... does it get any better guys?

>>11436125
it's war, what do you expect.

>>11436145
man nox was such a sad villain. if he would have succeeded nothing bad would have happened and everyone would have lived a happy life. everything just turned out bad because the heroes stopped him. its a tragic story.

>>11435196
>Anywhere life could exist, intelligent life could exist

Don't be fucking retarded. If somewhere is a freezing cold shithole where the only life that exists is proto-microbes centrered around small pockets of melted water near volcanic ducts there is simply no conditions there for any even halfway intelligent from everything we know

THREADLY REMINDER
Daniel Black book 4 in fall.
Will remind you every thread till release.

>>11435853
Would you suggest that? I guess that would make sense but I don't I would mind rereading it all again. I just want to get a solid grasp of the first one at least. As the first time I've read it, I didn't really question the reliability of the narrator. Coming into the second book, I'll be paying a lot more attention.

>>11436155
>from everything we know
>can't even explore our own oceans
>we can say where intelligent life grows or not

>>11436198
>isekai
yeah nah fuck off

Anyone know when book 3 of this will come out?
I'm not on patreon, so I can't see the guy's updates.

>>11436342
read the webnovel. in the footnotes of each chapter he usually updates people on whats happening. also im pretty sure the web novel is up to book 5 or so in terms of content.

>>11436304
>Durr what if magic

Ok dude, assume shit for no reason

>>11436352
Yeah I just kinda hate reading in my browser.
Also, he did some fun edits to the books to make it more coherent, cutting the pointless sex scenes a bit shorter and adding some fun scenes instead.

>>11436355
>scientists make statement that things can't grow in ___________
>scientists find a way to study ____________'
>scientists find life in it
>scientists still try to make statements on where things can grow

>>11436367
https://github.com/dteviot/WebToEpub

>>11436370
We make assumptions given existing knowledge, just because science doesn't have all the answers right now doesn't give you any license to jump to assuming shit
Life on Earth has existed in abundance for billions of years and shit all exists in Antartica except Penguins. Do the math

>>11436462
>Do the math
You can't because there is too much we don't know. Acting as if you do know when we don't even understand our planet yet is arrogant and making a shit ton of assumptions

>>11436155
Why would intelligent life have to be the way it is here? It wouldn't have to resemble anything on Earth in the slightest.

>>11436588
Because why the fuck not you stupid mongoloid. Life exists on Earth in every way that it was possible for it to survive, from funguses to weeds if there was a successful model it used it.
Its ridiculous these notions that magical completely new modes of survival somehow are workable yet didn't appear on Earth in any of its environments

>>11436600
So therefore life couldn't have developed on a planet with completely different conditions than Earth. You are the true mongoloid. Go back to your bible and fap some more.

>>11436622
>So therefore life couldn't have developed on a planet with completely different conditions than Earth.

Extremely likely, yes

>>11436626
Why?

>>11436600
you're right, life on earth exists that way. meanwhile, 20 billion light years from here, on the planet mxypltzx, with no oxygen in it's atmosphere, two autists are on gtyamkdchan.org arguing that life cannot exist anywhere else because every life form possible is already existing there.

>>11436640
Yes that imaginary bullshit you just made up is surely the case

Oxygen and water are elements with unique properties that predisposed its use in life on Earth, there is a reason despite most of our atmosphere being composed of nitrogen that it holds a special use in life

>>11435943
Most earlier books can be read as a standalone, with the first two the notable exception. Any of the starters is a good place to start.

>>11434827
there is no evidence that alien life exists therefore it is perfectly rational to believe that it doesnt

>>11436661
Shot through the heart, and you're to blame
You give autists, a bad name
*bad name*

>>11436688
Yeah whatever fat retard

>>11436683
trillions upon trillions of planets trillions and trillions of light years away and you expect evidence

you shall become an hero

>>11436661
>Oxygen and water are elements with unique properties that predisposed its use in life on Earth
>predisposed its use in life on Earth
>on Earth

Key failure in your argument. What is necessary here is not necessarily so everywhere.

>>11436600
You went full retard, anon. Never go full retard.

Okay everyone SHUT THE FUCK UP and give me sci-fi titles where mathematics is manipulated (e.g., Xeelee sequence, some of the later tech in Revelation Space, etc.)

>>11436709
i expect evidence before i believe in something, yes

>>11436766
Ninefox Gambit has warhammer 40k themed math.

>>11436732
>Durr you a retard

Nah

Play nice with your sister, Timmy

>>11436766
Laundry Files

>>11435342
surrounded by projects.. but he can't just publish a book he finished 5+ years ago

>>11437062
releasing an anniversary edition for his first book of the trilogy without it being finished should tell you enough about that greedy fuck

>>11437114
time to go rant about nazi's at a con

>>11436709
What point of reference are you working from, exactly? The mechanism for life existing has not been able to be replicated, nor is there any workable law for the existence of life in the universe-- for all we know life is a "glitch.
On top of this, you have the sheer unlikelihood of 'intelligent--' a human created concept to boot-- which you treat to being inevitable for some reason when it's just a survival trait evolved due to the situation the homo- genus was in both environmentally, biologically, and psychologically. You also are accounting for that said civilization developed similar to our own and went through a period similar to the European Renaissance-- which in itself was an absolute historical anomaly-- and holds a similar conception of civilization as we do. You'd also have to believe in the broken idea of linear societal progress, but that's a whole other can of worms.
You're also not accounting for timeframe, so even if I conceded 'intelligent' (read: psychologically human-like) life is an inevitability and life is natural in the progression of the universe, every single possible 'civilization' in all likelihood does not exist withing the same narrow timeframe that ours does.

At best, your belief in intelligent life outside of Earth is on par with creationists. It's a tea kettle fallacy. A cool idea for fiction, but a vain, egotistical hope in the end.

>webnoves and the search for life
I too like science fiction and fantasy

Life in another planet?
Basically universally agreed upon.

Intelligent life?
Massively less so.

Intelligent life within contact reach?
basically a pipe dream.

What is SFFG’s consensus on the Expanse? Sorry if this has been asked a million times.

Is it like ASOIAF, where if it wasn’t for the tv show and normies knowing about it, it would be well liked?

>>11437219
*aren't accounting for

>>11437243
you know whats funny. from all the planets we have observed so far we have found no other multi biome planets like earth. maybe thats a requirement for advanced life forms?
its always just single biome planets that are found. earth seems to be the exception to a rule.

>>11437244
books are alright. nothing special though. the show is utter garbage. id say the books are worth reading. they are fairly enjoyable but not as good as they are hyped up to be.

>>11436766
>>11434820
Eon by Greg Bear

>>11436125
You have no idea how bad it gets.

>>11437219
>At best, your belief in intelligent life outside of Earth is on par with creationists.
I've seen this before and it's 100% pure cope. I had a revelation while listening to a flat earther and they said that 'There's just no way we're not here for a reason', even if it means he had to genuinely believe he lived in the equivalent of a giant snowglobe.

The universe is vast and to say that humanity is so special and so unique among the trillions of stars is to try and provide some manner of grounding or anchoring. We're not just floating in a void among others, we alone are the center of the universe as far as life is concerned. Nowhere else can small gradual changes be made over time, or consciousness achieved, or the atom split. We humans must be the most advanced, sophisticated thing in all the universe.

I just can't buy that.

>>11437283
Universe is young, we very may well be the first.

>>11437292
>Universe is young, we very may well be the first.
The time we've been conscious is so so small, we may be first among many others. It's true that someone has to be first and it very well may be us. I just can't understand the logic in outright denying the existence of intelligent life anywhere else. To me it simply comes down to their inability to grasp the scale of it all, maybe out of fear or lack of trying. My eye opening moment was when I saw the hubble deep-field picture as a kid

>>11437283
Again, good fiction, bad as a serious, scientific belief. Sure, you can raise the idea "it's inevitable" but until there's proof that intelligent life, complex life in general at that, exists beyond Earth, to what degree, and how, all you've got is a hope based on an irrationality of "inevitability."

>>11437283
Given the limits of communication we have hardly shouted at our corner of the galaxy let alone the entire universe. And then you have to assume what we are shouting at is capable of listening or if they are that they are even trying to listen. And then that if they did hear us that they are shouting back, and that we can even listen to what they are sending us. And then even if we can communicate that we can say anything worth while before either of our civilisations collapse, let alone being able to travel to meet each other.
Its also possible we missed the communication of other intelligent life and they are already gone.
There are so many unknowns and things we can't know that to say we are the first and only is just as crazy and baseless as saying there are others.

The truth is we don't know, and at this current point in time don't have the capacity to find out. Anything else is just assumptions based in how little we currently know which is stupid to take seriously at all.

>>11437308
>but until there's proof that intelligent life, complex life in general at that, exists beyond Earth
The fact that it exists on earth is enough proof that it can exist elsewhere. At that point it's just math and odds and yes inevitability.

>>11437312
Making contact with them is not at all the same thing as believing it exists. I've never made contact with a tree falling in the forest but I know that tree's fall in the forest. We've never encountered intelligent life anywhere else but we are intelligent life that proves there are trees in that forest which can fall. If you've never shown me a forest before and said "If a tree falls and noone is there to hear it did it make a sound" I'd say "What the fuck is a tree?"

>>11437318
Science is only what we know from what we percieve, not what we want to percieve. Smucks like you are what fuels hack figures like NDT and infeasible ideas like the Hyperloop.

Is it possible to get a book published that is nothing but random text generator gibberish? We already have computers writting newspapers, and the standards in the industry seems to be low enough, so I am curious.

>>11435400
What are you quoting in the OP?

>>11437324
I am more talking about breaking out of that cycle. I personally have no doubt there is other intelligent life. But I can't prove it, even the stats and what not don't really prove it because they are based on our current bad understanding. The only way to prove it is contact and that currently is so slow and in itself relies on a massive amount of chance that the lack of contact is also not proof of absence. Which is why I said that last bit, we don't know and currently can't know.

The simple fact of the matter is that mathematically, existent life is known to be a value greater than one.

And with the immense, infinite vastness of the universe, chances are that no matter how small this chance of life existing is, the Swiss Cheese Model means that eventually the stars will literally align to create some form of life, and eventually some of it might be sapient and capable of asking this same question.

>>11437283
Not that anon but the main idea here is that humanity is not special or unique in any way. Humanity is but a statistical fluke. Shit just happened.
Yes there are hojillion gazillion stars out there, the chances must be good, right? Well not really. Any astrobilogist can produce a list of environmental requirements needed in order for life to flourish as long as my arm. The list is even longer for intelligent life.
So many variables has to be *just* right in order to get that self-replicating matter. So many more variables have to be just right in order to get that self-replicating matter to develop intelligence and start sharing porn.
In a way it's a very bleak outlook and I understand why people would dismiss it.
There is no Great Filter, there is no miracle of creation, there are no blue skinned alien babes. Shit just happened.

>>11435901
Some of the agent cormac books.

>>11436330
>didn't even read it
>already shitting on it
Outer lit is that way >>>/lit/ we actually read books here.

>>11437430
Maybe you should fuck off to /a with your shit?

>>11437439
not the guy you are responding to but the iskeai stuff has been a western staple longer than asian. it just got popularized by the nips.

>>11437406
>Humanity is but a statistical fluke. Shit just happened.
Sure and I completely agree that, my point is is that we the fluke happened which sets the precedent for other flukes having happened.
>Any astrobilogist can produce a list of environmental requirements needed in order for life to flourish as long as my arm. The list is even longer for intelligent life.
I don't constrain myself strictly to what we know, which sure my argument could at that point be coming from faith but I don't see it as far of a stretch to believe that we are not the only intelligent life in all the universe. That scientist could produce that list, but what happens when one part of that list is broken? At that point you would need to discount the accuracy of the entire list, no? And has that list changed at all over the years?
>So many variables has to be *just* right in order to get that self-replicating matter.
And the fact that our planet was able to get it just right, how is that more far fetched of an idea than a second planet also getting those variables just right?
>There is no Great Filter, there is no miracle of creation, there are no blue skinned alien babes. Shit just happened.
I'm not trying to create some greater purpose or higher being, I'm coming from a position that we as humans who have observed such an infinitesimally small percentage of the universe so far should not have the hubris to declare universal truths.

>>11437454
>>11437406
riddle me this, guys.
Is there a reason to believe life could ONLY happen right here? I'm not talking about the way earth and the sun and the other planets are set up, I'm talking about our position in 3D space.
No?
Then it can happen somewhere else. Because it has happened before. With us.

Okay, how shitty is this idea?

>Think No Country For Old Men meets Dune on a retrofuturistic mars

>>11437406
Why is that mass effect alien preggers? Did the main character in the game swell her belly?

>>11437333
You can do anything in self publishing. Otherwise, no.

/sffg/ - Deeper discussions than /sci/ and /his/
i love this place so much.

>>11436776
Go into more detail? I don't like reading a lot of non-Eleven Asian shit, the names are too difficult to keep track of.
>>11436918
>They mix the genres of Lovecraftian horror, spy thriller, science fiction, and workplace humour
yo what the fuck is this shit? I'll give it a shot I guess but you better not be the same fag who recommended Shades of Grey.
>>11437266
I'm not into alt-history but thank you anyway.

Why do people think Starship Troopers is fascist? Or that Heinlein was a fascist?

I know the movie was satirical but in many ways so was the book.

>>11437444
Isekai generally requires the protagonist to die and be reincarnated, western literature tends towards "portal fantasy" where the protagonist is transported safe of body and mind to another world.

Are there any decent guides for writing novels/short stories? I've never actually sat down and tried this since middle school and I don't know if I should go in blind or some semblence of an idea

>>11437439
You are a redshitor trying to fit into sffg aren't you?
Daniel Black
Wild wastes and super sales are all books you can't put down.

>>11437508
Read good novels/short stories and do what they do. Read bad novels/short stories and don't do what they do.

>>11437508
Yea. It's right here. get the fuck >>>/out/

>>11437508
read what sort of story you want to write and then just emulate it. after a while if you are satisfied put your own twists on it. grammar and a good knowledge of vocabulary are pretty much the only requirements.

>>11437470
>>11437454
>>11437406
Here's an astrophysicist who says the odds are ten billion trillion to 1 for intelligent life on other planets
https://www.npr.org/2018/07/05/626300318/in-light-of-the-stars-adam-frank-studies-alien-worlds-to-find-earths-fate

There's other interviews where he says we don't need a signal from other planets to infer life. Analysis of their starlight thru an oxygen/methane planetary atmosphere is an indicator of stable ecoystem

>>11437530
>not reading your backs at dawn at the top of a mist covered mountain
>not being there when some hikers come up and ask you to take their photo

>>11437509
>books you can't put down.
I don't even know why that is. Holy shit man. I started out reading them just because i was bored and because they got mentioned over and over. Then before i knew it i read all the books of similar authors.
How is that even possible. In my mind i don't think of them as good enough to keep me wanting more yet i can't stop.
Its like they grab you and don't let you go. I'm willing to believe some sort of black magic is at work here.

I thought this video was posted here earlier but this is a good representation of the type of numbers we're dealing with here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udAL48P5NJU

>>11437509
>If you don't like self published amazon garbage you must be a redditor that posts on outer /lit/

>>11437546
>ten billion trillion to 1
that's huge compared to how many stars there are. Just a rough estimate of 10^24 stars in the universe blows that propability right out of the water.

>>11437498
Basically in Ninefox Gambit all the super tech works off a "calendar" system that involves manipulating mathematical equations to set up various exotic effects. This system is powered by torturing heretics.

>>11437499
Because the book describes a military-dominated fascist government and was written by Heinlein as a reaction to the nascent nuclear/peace movement in the 50s. If not perhaps directly fascistic, it's very similar ala the Soviet "only party members have power" setup.

Of course he followed it directly with the counter culture hippy-dippy Stranger in a Strange Land.

>>11437454
>my point is is that we the fluke happened which sets the precedent for other flukes having happened
That's not how probability works. Some event with a low chance of probability happening does not imply that event like that will happen again. A 1 in 100 chance of me getting a certain number does not guarantee that I will get that number within 100 attempts.

>And has that list changed at all over the years?
Actually I think the list is getting longer over the years, as our understanding of life increases. Earth for instance was inimical to human life for most of it's existence. Any requirement on that list not met means that the complexity of life goes down. Practically that means that it is far more likely that there is some sort of biological sludge in Europa's oceans than anything approaching intelligent life.

>but what happens when one part of that list is broken? At that point you would need to discount the accuracy of the entire list, no?
I don't think any requirement on that list can be "broken" or found not needed. You aim for a certain complexity and characteristics of life and come up with the requirements. I am very, very certain that there is no life out there that is based on interactions of protons, for the simple fact that it is far, far more energy intensive to knock out a proton out of a core than to knock out an electron out of it's orbit. I also know that events like the GOE (the Great Oxygenation Event or the Oxygen Holocaust) is not something needed for life (another one of those flukes).

>And the fact that our planet was able to get it just right, how is that more far fetched of an idea than a second planet also getting those variables just right?
We are back again at probability and I would like to add that the creation of life is not a singular event but a series of interconnected (and interdependent) events of mind boggling complexity. If you want the apex, the ultimate prize, the intelligent life than all of them had to happen just right and keep happening just right.

>>11437470
>Because it has happened before. With us.
And there is absolutely no guarantee that it will happen again. Only a low, low probability.

>>11437490
Just some bad cosplayer I have a photo of. On a unrelated note, I am still mad.

>>11437597
>A 1 in 100 chance of me getting a certain number does not guarantee that I will get that number within 100 attempts.
That's thinking in too small of a scale in my opinion. What if you didn't have 100 attempts, but 1,000,000 , 10,000 sets of attempts the likeliness of getting that 1 in 100 chance increases.
>that there is some sort of biological sludge in Europa's oceans than anything approaching intelligent life.
Sludge which similar to our primordial ooze given enough time will produce results. Now imagine the other planets where that sludge is present and how different types of life may evolve at slower or more rapid paces. Time itself is a mystery at that point, a minute to us may not be perceived the same as a minute to something else. It's entirely unpredictable which is why I'm comfortable in saying that it must be happening in the vastness of space available.
>I don't think any requirement on that list can be "broken" or found not needed.
But that's taking an unscientific approach to it, similar to how gravity is still a theory. It takes as much faith to believe in that list as it does to believe in the odds
>but a series of interconnected (and interdependent) events of mind boggling complexity.
Which managed to happen here.
>and keep happening just right.
I guess we just happen to disagree fundamentally. I give our existence as evidence of the possibility of other intelligent life which is not the same as using a bible to believe in a god.

>>11437580
Is ten (10) billion (10^9) trillion (10^12) is 10^22?
Because a million (10^6) millions is 10^12 right?
So that sounds like even if half those stars don't have planets there is still fairly decent odds right?

Actually, until we have a firm grasp on abiogenesis and the evolution of intelligence, the error bar on the paradox could fall anywhere on its spectrum.

Seriously, everyone: look up the "Drake Equation"!

>>11437784
>I was very much surprised to see that the combination of values that I used yielded a result of 1.13 currently broadcasting civilizations. That makes us the one. Going back and changing only the L parameter to Drake's value of 10,000 yields 22.5 broadcasting civilizations. If we were to assume that the Milky Way is a cylinder with a radius of 50,000 light years and a thickness of 1,000 light years, then there would be one broadcasting civilization for every 349 billion cubic light years of space.

>Now consider this. Let's make the following assumptions:
>the radius of the Milky Way is 50,000 light years
>there are currently 22.5 broadcasting civilizations
>all civilizations lie on the galactic equator in a 2 dimensional distribution
>Given these assumptions, this means that on average each of these civilizations are separated by a distance of just over 21,000 light years. That means that any civilization that began broadcasting less than 21,000 years ago, like us for example, would not yet be detectable.

>>11437546
There has been quite a lot of predictions regarding the existence of life, one of the more popular methods used being the Drake equation. Depending on how you set-up the variables, other predictions have ranged from this galaxy supporting only 1 instance of intelligent life to having over 10^6 civilizations out there.
The fact is that we just don't know.
We have been listening to the sky for the past 4 decades and the best we got was that sappy movie with Jodie Foster.

>>11437624
>That's thinking in too small of a scale in my opinion
That was just an example to illustrate the nature of probability.
As the complexity of life grows so do the requirements for it. I have already mentioned that all those requirements are interconnected and interdependent. If we want to have our European sludge (and let's call them Germans) evolve and become intelligent, the conditions must be right. At the bare minimum there must be enough energy in the system to support our complex, multi cellular, intelligent Germans. Energy that is most likely not present in the Europe's biosphere. We are talking here about conditions worse than the abyssal zone in our oceans that somehow has to support intelligent life. That is simply not going to happen no matter how much time passes unless the conditions change. That's what I mean when I say that the requirements can not be broken, only not met. The alternative is physically impossible energy efficient organisms, intelligent single cellular life and so on.
Basically that would be saying that there are Things (from the movie) in Europa's oceans. The Things (as portrayed in the movie) had access to energy reserves that bordered on nuclear. Conservation of mass and energy simply did not apply to it, etc.

>Which managed to happen here.
Again probability. A fluke happening is not a guarantee that there will be a repeat of said fluke.

>I give our existence as evidence of the possibility of other intelligent life which is not the same as using a bible to believe in a god.
I never said it is. I am just pointing out that it's not what we are seeing. And what we are seeing is absolutely no evidence of intelligent life out there. Which of course does not mean that there is no life out there.

>>11437792
>lets make these nonsensical assumptions, and produce some useless numbers

Even if there was another "Earth" at Alpha Centauri, we would not be able to detect it

>>11434933

Not about being special, just totally pointless. If there was intelligence anywhere near we would detect it. It means that if there are faggots out there we will never make contact. So yeah we're alone regardless unless there's ftl communication but who the fug knows.

>>11435444
Why not?

>>11436342
>Anyone know when book 3 of this will come out?

Late August, join the discord.

https://www.patreon.com/ELLC

>>11435671
is western xianxia real? Ive never heard of any

>>11437584

It describes an authoritarian militaristic government but not a fascistic one.

>>11437864
The cradle series
Although I guess that’s technically just cultivation shit and not true xianxia

>>11437863
>$1k a month just to shit out litrpg garbage

Alright, time to start my webnovel.

We still don't really know anything about what the trigger is that caused inorganic material to become actual organic material, without that it's difficult to say what the chances of it happening again since as far as we know it hasn't happened in any measurable way since even here

>>11437946
It's not garbage, best litrpg out there. I know it's not saying much but it's a blast. The genre is young

>>11437828
>Even if there was another "Earth" at Alpha Centauri, we would not be able to detect it
patently false.

>>11437828
A bit over 8 years to send and receive a message from them. Assuming they are listening, can understand our message, and reply we could detect them easily in a single researchers lifetime.
It's too far away to be visible to us to a degree that we can see it right?

>>11438017
detection != communication

>>11438046
Suppose your right, 4 years then to detect radio waves assuming we can detect what they send and are listening in the right direction.

What the fuck am i reading?

>>11438079
wtf are you doing

>>11437959
>It's not garbage
>litrpg

Do better, anon.

>>11438096
I have no fucking idea.

>>11438079
everyone who doesnt choose 7 is fucking retarded.
whyd you even need other women if you got a robo loli. shell stay young forever and can give you that VACUUM SUCC

>>11438079
sauce me fampai

>>11437574
>i will be contrary just to be contrary
>i'm not outer lit I swear

>>11437260
The show is overall better than the books.

>>11436766
Morrowind lore

>there are people itt that read science fiction and don't believe Roswell was real
>there are people itt that don't believe that the crashed spaceship is what gave us a boost in technology
>there are people itt that don't believe that the other aliens came to check the crashed ship's distress signal and have been working with the us government ever since
Why do you even read sff if you don't believe?

>>11438327
They have the saucer shaper lander prototype at one of the random air force museums here.

>>11438327
>>>/x/

>>11438327
Because we can tell th difference between fiction and reality

>>11436257
Wolfe stories are all about how everything ties in in the end, and work best as one complete narrative. Read all of the books, then worry about rereading to catch little details.

>>11438109
I know this is extreme but what if I’m not a pedofile on 4chan?

>>11438627
its not pedophila if its a robot .

>>11438632
What if the robot is only 6 years old? That’s far from puberty.

>>11438667
robots grow up fast

/sffg/, I'm finding I can either do intricate worldbuilding or write a compelling story, but not both

When I do the former the plot feels forced and when I do the latter I just end up with the real world

Anyone have any tips?

>>11438996
write xianxia stories

>>11438996
Take the compelling story and rewrite it in the worldbuilding world, making adjustments as necessary.

>>11439092
huh. That's actually an interesting idea. The story I have in mind sort of showcases the setting I was thinking about and a lot of the ideas fit together but they seem so wrong together

>story is a magical-realist culinary journey around the world with a subplot about imperialism
>setting is a retrofuturistic solar system that draws on myth and outdated pop culture

>>11439116
Jesus fuck I'm here too long.. I knew it was you flavours anon since I read >>11438996

>>11437260
>show is utter garbage

viper.jpeg

>>11438996
Yeah, take the tip of a spear and shove it down your wordhole.

What are some good standalone sff books? I don't have enough time anymore to read through 5+ books to get the full story.

>>11435466
this is somehow like stargate universe

>>11439189
Treating pic related as a stand alone is pretty kino.

>>11435944
this shit is good, anything more like this?

>>11439231

Can i read this as a standalone?

>>11434797
Whats a good curated blog, news site or online magazine with science fiction and/or fantasy content? (no fucking reddit nor digg)

I used to tolerate boingboing until they became beyond nauseating full blown SJWs, same with TOR, and io9 got fucked by the gawker thing, swallowed into gizmodo or something, paradoxically they don't go full SJW even if gawker-univision owns them, but feels so icky to just click on a gawker site.

I got to the point on considering getting either some Dell publication like Asimov's or Analog.

>>11439312
>SJWs reeee

You sound like a 15 year old /v/ermin

>>11439322
>You sound like a 15 year old /v/ermin
w-well fampai, thanks for the compliment and for noticing me.

>>11434915
We just don't know.
We don't even really know likely it is, since we don't know how likely it is for an Earth-like planet to form, how likely it is for it to develop life, or how likely it is for it to go to intelligent life from there.
>BUT DUUUDE SPACE IS LIKE REALLY BIG
And the chances of intelligent life might be really small, it's hard to calculate since we have only one example of it happening, and for that matter zero examples of intelligent life becoming successful space faring civilizations.

>>11439324
You're cute. Read Borges and Couto.

>>11439329
If it happened here it can happen somewhere else

>>11435506
Why do I get the feeling you didn't actually read through his post

>>11439322
I'm not usually a supporter of buzzwords but he's not lying about io9, they really are THAT bad

>>11439426
What like, /pol/ bad? Really?

>>11439453
I mean, yeah, if you mean opposite extreme.

>>11439457
Goddamn, I need to feast my eyes on that shit. Links? I'm a lazy fuck.

>io9 is a blog launched in 2008 by Gawker Media,
>Gawker Media
ah, i see

>>11439306
Not really. It's the third in a trilogy, after Revelation Space and Redemption Ark. The standalone books in the Revelation Space universe are Chasm City and the Prefect (even though the Prefect got a sequel later and was re-released as Aurora Rising, it can still be read standalone).
Most of his other books are standalone, except the Poseidon's Children trilogy, and also worth consideration. Or you can try his shorter work.

this thread is shit, usually i got 3 - 5 books to my reading list from every thread but here nothing

>>11439487
> Not really. It's the third in a trilogy, after Revelation Space and Redemption Ark.
But why author himself saying that he had not wrote the trilogy but just 3 books set in one universe with some connected characters?
What would i miss if i start with absolution gap? I only have that book on my shelf.

>>11439565
Diaspora
Accelerando
Pushing Ice
Anathem
New moon

Reminder that aliens exist.

>>11439672
no we don't

>>11439681
You can't fool me, alien.

>>11437959
I agree.
I had the first ebook for holiday, lying by the pool, thinking "lul time to read some trash", but after the first chapter I was hooked. Like literally, I couldn't stop. got a fucking sunburn because I didn't realize how long I was reading.

>>11439694
ayy

>>11439568
Well there are more than some connected characters. And it builds on some of the major plot points from the last books. But go ahead, the setting is new as well as many characters.

>>11439568
Here's the deal. The setting with the moon and the moving cities is self contained.
But half the characters and their motivation are from previous books, like why they go there and what it ultimately amounts to.
Since these plots are intertwined, and plot twists won't make no sense because you don't already know the characters, you won't understand what's going on.

>bought Red Rising at a used book store
>it's shit

What do I do with my copy? Would another used book store want it?

>>11439733
>Another dystopian YA story with an over simplified caste system turned out to be shit

Seems your helldiver fingers weren't up to par.

>>11439733
use it to start your fires next winter

>>11439733
Go back and ask for a refund.

>>11435493
I read the Iliad and the Odyssey recently.

>>11439770
Did you read pope's translation of the Iliad? If you're at all into metered prose and overall excellent poetry, I recommend giving it a look.

>>11439793
Fitzgerald, will check popes i wish i could understand ancient Greek tho that sounds wonderful.

I finished His Dark Materials for the first time a couple days ago and was wondering what other anons thought of it. I really liked it but wish I'd found it as a teen.

>>11439811
The two largest and arguably best works to come from ancient greek were the Iliad and the Odyssey, and those have both been translated (very well) into both english and latin. Pope's translation of the Iliad is undoubtedly one of the best translations in history. His Odyssey translation is equally good, but some people feel he takes too many liberties and adds too much of his own flavor. As someone who doesn't know the source material very well, I don't notice anything of the sort, and still think it's on par with his Iliad.

If you're ever thinking of learning a language for reading classics, I'd recommend latin. Not only can you read the Greeks as the Romans did, but you can also enjoy Virgil, Ovid and Cicero in their virgin forms, as their translations do absolutely no justice to the succinct beauty that their works contain in the original latin.

To not get too far off sff, I wish there were fantasy books like the Odyssey. One character on a single epic adventure. Anyone know books in that style?

>>11439875
The broken sword by poul anderson.

>>11439770
Based.

>>11439875
Book of the New Sun, duh

>Mormon created a setting where a woman's hands are considered erotic

Woah...

Anyone love reading about loyal characters?
Not just characters who follow the golden princess and are in the middle of a doomed fight against horrible evil beings. That’s not really loyalty but basic survival instinct.

Like there is the security officer in the expanse novel series and in book five(?), her boss knows that someone has betrayed him on his station. He can’t trust anyone besides the MC who isn’t from the station. Even when the security officer stood with him through decades of bullshit and risked her life repeatedly for him and his ideals.
Still the boss decides that she couldn’t be trusted. That even while she was chief of security of the station, he decided to exclude her and started investigations which targeted her.
However, instead of going rampage and doing her own thing to prove that she is innocent, she shuts her mouth and follows every order. And it’s not like she didn’t care. She just trusted her boss.

To be fair, she was just a side character in the novel and only got some pages and a couple of sentences of dialog. But this is basically what I always think about when I read about loyalty.
Just to name one of the offenders: many Star Trek episodes are about one lower officer going against direct orders of they superiors for obvious bullshit reasons. Of course there are zero consequences when this shit happens.

>>11440053
loyalty and happy endings don't sell well usually. grim dark fantasy and scifi just sell more generally i think it has something to do with most readers being young adults and like to think that liking grimdark settings with drama and betrayal makes them more mature for reading them.

>>11439329
>since we have only one example of it happening
We only need the one example! At that point the precedence has been set and it becomes a matter of if we'll ever encounter it, which is much much more unlikely

>>11440125
Aliens visit Earth all the time, retard. One even posted in this thread: >>11439681

>>11439231
I just have one other.

I will not be a Wolfelet forever

>>11440287
Ja ja. Det er jo en ting å kjope boker. Men det er en helt annen ting og faktisk lese de isteden for å ha de rotne på bokhyllen din.

>>11440134
That's not an alien, that's the sanderhack a fag guy. I know that because it's me

>>11440340
see >>11439694

>>11440316
>og
LMAOOO

>>11440371
That's the Library at Mount Char guy. We don't like him

>>11439987
that shit makes no sense anyway because arms/hands are symmetric and if one hand is considered erotic then the other one has to as well. he didn't think this through at all

Are their any more subtle scifi settings like BotNS? Where it plays out like a fantasy story for the most part but all of a sudden a laser gun is shot and you're like "oh yeah, this is scifi isn't it"? I just finished reading BotNS and I'm struggling to start other books because now I only want something similar.

>>11439329
>We don't know how likely it is for an Earth-like planet to form
Http://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/11/15/the-number-of-earth-like-planets-in-the-universe-is-staggering-heres-the-math/amp/

>>11440053
In the Hammer's Slammers series the colonel is portrayed as being extremely loyal to his men.

>one lower officer going against direct orders of they superiors for obvious bullshit reasons. Of course there are zero consequences when this shit happens.

I've got Darkstorm by M.L. Spencer on my short list right now because apparently there's a "I don't play by the rules" character who ruins their career doing this.

>>11440287
Is Count to a Trillion series any fun?

What was that other ebook site besides libgen? Bo-ok dot whatever? I forgot the exact site, someone post it please.

>>11434915
>he doesn't like flat earth sci-fi
I'm so sorry

My eyes get dry and my eyelids twitch when I read for too long.
How do I get through these massive tomes while maintaining my frail composition?

>>11440718
mobilism.
its actually fairly infamous and notorious.

>>11440941
why

>>11440927
Blink

>>11439312
blackgate

>>11440943
authors lurk on it and message admins to take down threads.
frequently authors vent on twitter or author forums about it.

>>11437375
>And with the immense, infinite vastness of the universe
The universe is not infinite.

Hi anons.

I have read maybe 2 Sci-Fi books in my entire life, I am pretty ignorant about the genre.

Fantasy is my thing. Recommend please a series something like a cross between ASOIAF-Lyonesse-Gormenghast.


Thanks!

>>11441139
Library at Mount Char

>>11441096
Okay so say I draw a ray going in any direction, what does it hit when the universe "ends"? And what is behind whatever it hits?

Or are you just confusing "universe" with "galaxy"?

>>11441139
Okay, forgot important detail - the Sci-Fi equivalent of the cross between ASOIAF-Lyonesse-Gormenghast.

>>11441150
We don't know.
Maybe it loops around because the universe is curved. Maybe it falls off our dimension like a ball rolling off a table.

>>11434797
Anyone here read this book on the history of science fiction?

>The History of Science Fiction by Adam Charles Roberts
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29106990-the-history-of-science-fiction

>>11440619
Some parts were a bit silly, but it's good fun if you don't need a story to take itself too seriously.

>>11440718
Look at the sticky

What are you fags reading?
I just dropped some litrpg trash.

>>11441475
Declare by Tim Powers.
Really nice Cole War espionage romp with a touch of Lovecraft Mythos.

>>11441475
I'm reading Dangerous Visions. Just read Riders of the Purple Wage and I quite liked it. PKD's Faith of our Fathers is still better though.

>>11441475
what ltrpg trash? why did you drop it?

>>11434797
Currently reading the second book of the Gap Cycle and I'm not sure how I feel about it. On one hand, the sci-fi elements have some thought put into them and the characters are a step above regular sci-fi. On the other hand, it feels like I'm reading some creep's mind break fetish fantasy.
Do all the books focus on Morn getting raped by each and every character or does the story actually develop at some point?

>>11435127
You learn all of these if you finish them

>>11441475
a scanner darkly, finally getting into PKD. I feel late to the party

>>11441525
Alpha Company book 4. They were hand holding some timid girl all book and not doing anything else. What got to me was when they stopped a raid to have a fucking Shakespeare play. Couldn't take it after that. Dropped it.

Which science fiction books have the most memorable AIs, for good or bad reasons?

>>11441475
Cryoburn. I think Bujold is getting a little tired of the Vorkosigan series, feels a bit like filler so far.

>>11441700
the moon is a harsh mistress - mike

>>11441475
Terminal World. The main character is written like an autist and the pacing is godawful. I'm around 70% through though and things have been improving recently.

>>11434901
kek

>>11441805
my house is on the bottom right

>>11441475
Bleak Seasons
and Witchmark

>>11441582
>They were hand holding some timid girl
It gets worse, good call

>>11441582
>Alpha Company
Healing: An Alpha Company Military Romance
https://www.goodreads.com/series/223768-the-alpha-company-women

Drew and Tony have been together for almost seven years, and married for almost three. Neither doubts that they’ve found their male soul-mate, but they both yearn to find the right woman to make their close unit complete, and who knows, maybe start the family that they are both so desperate for.

Victoria has been almost completely alone since the accident that injured her and killed her brave soldier husband two years before. When she applies for a job with Alpha Security, she thinks this could be the start of her bright new future, not least if it keeps her out of the clutches of her over-bearing grandmother.

Not looking for romance of any kind, she is completely out of her depth when not one, but two gorgeous men start to show an unmistakable interest in her. If one of them had been single, that might have been something. But they’re not, they’re married!

To each other!

Suzy and Matt have been together the longest of all the Alpha Company couples, with Suzy often referred to as the first Alpha Company wife. As outrageous as the couple may be, they’re also regarded as the one constant throughout all of the Alpha Company trials and tribulations. Their deep love for each other, and their son Charlie, is obvious to everyone who knows them.

When secrets and issues from the past start to come between them, will the couple be able to work together to overcome them, or will it drive a wedge between them that will split them apart?


Interdasting

>>11441853
How worse? I was under the impression the author was one of us. Why is the main character such a fedora "muh lady" tipper?

>>11441875
>the author was one of us. Why is the main character such a fedora "muh lady" tipper?
As if those were oppossite on Nu4chan. Some authors are more reddit than 4chan, even if they post here.
>How worse?
They hold her hand for 2 more books

>>11441873
What is it with you and fat blur/purple cosplay aliens?

>>11441873
Actually it's this.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/38888869-playing-for-keeps

>>11441900
It's just bad cosplay bruv.

>>11441902
>https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/38888869-playing-for-keeps
Wow that sounds even gayer.

>>11441909
Superjail.......

>>11434797
>It technically shouldn't exist
popsci gets the bullet

>>11441909
This pic not sff related. please cease

>>11436773
Planet erf is the evidence.

>>11441946
No, that's just a bizarre webcomic. I think you may be confused.

>>11441475
Seventh Decimate, the new Donaldson book.

New Thread
>>11442076
>>11442076
>>11442076

>>11441475
Blindsight, love me some space horror

>>11441154
sorry your only option is to fund my WIP
i won't disappoint, promise

>>11441706
Why did they have to kill him, it ruined the whole thing for me...