/lit/ - Literature

>>11412003
jbp

>>11412006
>jbp
what?

>>11412018
lurk 2 years before posting

>>11412003
Leftists tend to have more coherent critiques of liberalism. Start with Marx.

>>11412019
If it refers to Jordan Peterson, I don't see how it's relevant.

>>11412025
Guarantee you OP thinks leftists and liberals are the same thing.

>>11412032
He's probably american so liberal = evil feminist leftist who wants to destroy Jesus.

What do you mean by liberalism? I see the word liberalism and am inclined to think of enlightenment values, free speech, etc. It seems like you're using the term to describe leftism in general though. Many on the left (e.g. Badiou) are actually very critical of bourgeois social democracy, identity politics, "human rights," etc. You might find Max Stirner interesting in this regard.

Otherwise I think Nozick, Hayek, and Rawls are pretty interesting. I'm sure you're already familiar with Evola and Mishima memes. Guénon is also someone you might enjoy.

I recently read something about how Dark Enlightenment people were drawing from the philosophy of Thomas Carlyle. I would recommend reading Carlyle in general though—I find him very interesting (esp. Sartor Resartus).

>>11412025
marxists are just the left wing of the managerial liberalism globohomo leviathan. read Paul Gottfried, Nick Land, Joseph De Maistre, Pierre Clastres, Nietszche, Mircea Eliade,Marshall McLuhan, Rene Girard, Deleuze and Guattari, Mencius Moldbug, Colonel Gaddafi's Green Book and the colllected works of Alexander Dugin. the way out is neotribalist patchwork and nonlinear multimedia guerrilla war

>>11412041
>I see the word liberalism and am inclined to think of enlightenment values, free speech, etc.

That's exactly what I'm referring to.

>>11412041
Carlyle is vastly superior to the entire output of the dark enlightenment. One of the most incisive and honest minds ever

>>11412039
>>11412034
>implying the social media panopticon-managerial therapeutic state-liberal journalism complex isn't the manifestation of the antichrist on this earth

>>11412084
Doesn't make it leftist though.

>>11412058
I agree wholeheartedly. I only mentioned the DE because I find their appropriation of Carlyle very puzzling (and consequently somewhat fascinating). Also, I'm just trying to get more people to read Carlyle. I almost never see him mentioned on this board, which is quite sad.

>>11412263
>very puzzling
I don't think it's strange, Carlyle is the archetypal reactionary which is what they've styled themsleves as.

It's just the combination of Carlyle with Darwin, futurism, and the whole analysis of society in terms of memes(in the Dawkins sense) that NRX goes in for, is an incoherent combination that none of them have made anything useful out of.

Not to even mention the shit Nick Land tries to shoehorn in.

>>11412269
Okay, that makes sense. Sad that there is no actual substance behind all the memes.

It's just a reaction-formation that exists to keep us all from race war and ethnic cleansing, anon, practically speaking it's probably chiller than the alternative

>>11412006
but jbp is in full support of liberalism

>>11412367
> he doesn't want to unleash a satanic hellscape of war and atrocity

>>11412003
pic related applies to all totalitarian systems of thought, which is all systemized thought

>>11412003
why read a book just to reinforce your opinions? how about reading a book that supports liberalism, and then if you tend to agree with some some of the stuff read stuff that goes against it?

yuri bezmenov´s seminars

>>11412003
>Liberal
You'll have to be free specific. In Europe "liberal" just means "libertarian"

>>11412352
this is because many of the people behind the "Dark Enlightenment" are basically libertarians. It was libertarian-esque thinking (Locke in particular) that created the mess they want to get rid of, but they seem to want to bring back kings to guarantee that society operates on Lockean terms.

>>11412025
Leftist critique of liberalism usually amounts to accusing them of not living up to Enlightenment values properly instead of criticizing underlying liberal governance structures. The closest they get to this is usually acknowledging that theories of private property are stupid because they presuppose a State to protect it, but then go on to espouse anarchism.

Basically, leftist critique of liberalism tends to be of the form "We need to double down on what the last generation did", conservative critique, of the form "We need to go back to what the last generation did", and anti-liberal right, of the form "This entire ideology is fucking stupid."

>>11412032
JBP is liberal in the broad sense as are most westerners and all famous pundits and academics.

>>11412478
Because I'm spoonfed with liberalist ideology every single day.

The Myth of Mental Illness Foundations of a Theory of Personal Conduct by Thomas Szasz

>>11412714

Is one thing to hear every day that racism is wrong and that there should be respect for homosexuals and equality between males and females (all of those things are true, by the way, but people tend to keep hammering the same nail again and again and again that in the end you make people mad and wanting to act in the exact opposite way).

It’s quite a different thing to read about the virtues of an economic model that, at the same time it values freedom of enterprise and market competition, also supports economic and social interventions to promote social justice within the framework of a liberal democratic polity and capitalist economy. A model with a commitment to policies aimed at curbing inequality, oppression of underprivileged groups and poverty, including support for universally accessible public services like care for the elderly, childcare, education, health care and workers' compensation.

Maybe if you read about it in books of wise and statistic-support authors you mind end up appreciating things that some hippie professors with poor eloquence and aggressive speech distort into obnoxious concepts.

>>11412628
in the very old sense of the word liberal basically the entire world is liberal except like KSA and North Korea and the handful of other monarchy type countries

>>11412793
>all of those things are true, by the way
citation fucking needed

>>11412803

It’s the categorical imperative of Kant:

>Act only according to that maxim whereby you can, at the same time, will that it should become a universal law

Do you want to be judged as inferior because your hair is like this or like that and the color of your skin of this or that tone?

Do you want to be beat up, killed, offended, etc, because you like to do this or that during sex with this or that person who is willing to have sex with you? (keeping in mind that your sexual activities are not harming anyone)?

Do you want to receive smaller salaries and (like recently in history) be forbidden to vote, or work in some jobs, or expected to be anything more than a house-wife, all because of your sex?

It’s all a matter of not doing to others the harm that you don’t want to be done to you.

>>11412793
> A model with a commitment to policies aimed at curbing inequality, oppression of underprivileged groups and poverty, including support for universally accessible public services like care for the elderly, childcare, education, health care and workers' compensation

Right.

>>11412793
>It’s quite a different thing to read about the virtues of an economic model that, at the same time it values freedom of enterprise and market competition, also supports economic and social interventions to promote social justice within the framework of a liberal democratic polity and capitalist economy.
go back to r*ddit.

>>11412833
>Do you want to be judged as inferior because your hair is like this or like that and the color of your skin of this or that tone?
if i am inferior then yes i do, that's called reality

for example nobody should ever entrust with me anything to do with governing society, because i couldnt handle it. Im aware of this, and im aware there are men that are way better suited to it. This is also why i dont vote

On the other hand i also dont want to have pretend people who are beneath me in whatever way are actually equal, what is the fucking point

>>11412044
Based.

>>11412859

Social democracy is not communism. And it's the economic moel of the world countries who have the best Human Development Index

That's fact, not ideology

>>11412859
>>11412862

What's wrong with that view? You dont want to pay more taxes?

>>11412044
Thanks. This comes closest to what I was looking for.

>>11412880

>>11412833
Do you need to go back to plebbit? Yes.

>>11412893

Screaming and shouting cant beat facts.

>>11412898
It works out pretty well for the left on here.

>>11412897

t. incel

>>11412908
t. woman or tranny

>>11412880
>Poor countries are poor purely because of bad institutions.

It must be purely a coincidence that the economic Growth of African countries from the 60's into the late 70's abruptly declined after they were forced to adopt the Structural Adjustment Programs.

>>11412902

Yeah, but I stated that the social democratic model is the economic model of choice in the world countries with the best Human Development Index (HDI), something you can see for yourself by a simple Google search.

That's a fact, I'm not screaming nonsense into you.

>>11412793
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PJSsbXDBWXs&client=mv-google&layout=mobile&skipcontrinter=1

I don't even care about left or right. I just want this shitty reality to melt down into exstatic dionysiac madness, is that too much to ask? My main complain with managerial liberalism is that it sucks the joy out of life. Everything is sanitized and made into a commodity. Selves are mass produced by media content. I am obsessed with the idea of an ultimate transgression of some sort, If we were in the 60s I'd be dropping acid and engaging in ironic gay sex, but the 60s won and the only thrill left is vaguely rightist provocation.

>>11412921
reddit spacing

>>11412920
it declined when european governments pulled out leaving corrupt africans to their own devices

>>11412913

lol, you really are a virgin, aren't you? haha

And no, I'm not only am not a woman, I used to go out with prostitutes all the time when I was younger. That dosen't change the fact that I see men and women as equals and that everybody should be treated with respect and dignity.

>>11412920
do u seriously think there is a conspiracy to keep african impoverished? dont u think everyone would rather have africans buying up iphones, xboxes, and air yeezys rather than farming dirt for subsistence? sorry african failure is not the fault of successful continents

>>11412931
>feminist liberal
>fucks prostitutes liberally

not a suprise

>>11412939

Are you a hardcore christian by any chance?

>>11412908
you white piece of shit. liberalism can only survive off the back of neocolonialism, imperialism and exploitation. your reddit spacing is obvious. we produce enough food to feed 10 billion people, while millions will starve. go ahead, fight for more queer PoC CEOs, you milquetoast piece of shit.

>>11412931
Lol, you really are plebbit, aren't you? haha
>And no, I'm not only a very attractive male, I slay mass pussy and have had over 10,000 confirmed sexual partners. That doesn't change the fact that I'm a really good ally who gets mad SJW pussy as well because I believe in "equality" which is actually just a ruse for feminist manhating bullshit.

>>11412794
And that's exactly why I made this thread. Liberalism has been enforced by the West on a global scale and I believe it to be an absolutel so I need good books arguing against this disease.

I'm a bit familiar with Dugin's proposal to steer towards a multipolar world but he's lacking in his critique against liberalism and all its major tenets.

>>11412948
Capital is an AI from the future and the true revolutionary subject of history. The finantial sector is to a great extent already automated. Big data is reorganizing our companies and replacing scientific hypotheses The therapeuthic spectacle of identity and representation is merely a form of descentralized post fordist control, outlets such as vox and now the nyt and the economist cater to a permaconnected minimal self: note the royal we, the shallow linkage between user-identity-commodity, these things are meant to serve as social guidebooks for normies, just like Netflix 'comedy' specials. That's why I go out of my way to download hatred and schizophrenia into my brain.

>>11412991
based

>>11412863
>for example nobody should ever entrust with me anything to do with governing society, because i couldnt handle it. Im aware of this, and im aware there are men that are way better suited to it.

Nobody is telling you to accept that a criminal who robes stores is as important and valuable and capable as you. The point is: how can we do our best to offer to the kind who was born in a house on that criminal’s neighborhood to receive as much nutrition, education and care as the child of the rich Manhattan Jewish family?

People here tend to overestimate nature and underestimate nurture, when both are actually important.

Of course that the goal I have set is not completely realistic (at least for now), but it’s a noble goal, and humanity could be doing far better to achieve something like that than it’s doing now. God knows how much talent goes down the drain because of a lack of basic human needs.

>>11412887
Check this out as well
http://www.radicalsoftware.org/volume1nr3/pdf/VOLUME1NR3_art01.pdf

>>11412003
>Any books with a solid critique against this mental illness the West is trying to enforce upon all of of humanity
Hundreds my dude

>>11412833
Liberalism creates newer and more pervasive forms of networked bureaucratic control and propaganda that are actively incompatible with traditional lifeways or dissent of any sort. The ultimate conclusion to rawlsianism is totalitarian homogenization. The only possible counterattack: a sheer assertion of the will to power against the end of history and the homogenous therapeutic state of hedonistic letzer mensch. I have been studying the pages of the New York Times buzzfeed and the Washington post in order to fashion my thinking into a weaponised anti liberal subjectivity that will break out of the matrix and induce core meltdown

>>11413056
fucking based.

>>11412922
based

>>11412991
based

What I come /lit/ for

>>11413056
goddamn based

>>11412922

You could be surfing or rock climbing or meditating in the mountains or devoting several hours to a art/craft.

Go figure. Move to Italy, learn how to sculpt marble and do fresco painting and try to be a new Michelangelo. Don't waste your time with pop culture and pop politics/philosophy.

>>11412003
It's not an illness though.

>>11412991

C'mon guys it's just some more herd shit it happens

Christopher Lasch

>>11412003
The first part of The Ego and Its Own

>>11413397
This book is just a spook.

bump? test test

This was a good thread dammit.

>>11413603
Probably but his genealogy of liberalism in the first part is excellent.

>>11412003
https://thundermark.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/might-is-right.pdf

Since there are still people lurking here I'll post this. Go to >>11413645 it is a similarly designed thread but one that is actually bumping. Seems this one was locked for whatever reason.

>>11414013
Thanks. I'll give it a look. You might want to post stuff like this in the other thread though now. Same goes for you >>11414015