/lit/ - Literature

This series is even better than Throne Of Glass.

>>11399047
Brandon Sanderson is a homosexual charlatan

>>11399073
MAGNA

>>11399071
That's one homoerotic torturer.

>>11399079
CUM

>>11399083
it wasn't rape though & that's the important thing

I asked about the Throne of Glass series in the last thread. What are you guy's thoughts on it? Decent light reading? Or typical YA trash

>>11399106
typical YA trash with the addition of being aimed at women.

I believe I have successfully created my dantian irl

Through endless repetition all my movements are becoming swifter and more profound

>>11399145
>>>/sp/

>>11399071
>that weird outstretched neck posture
Kind of throws the whole thing off.

Downloads: https://b-ok.xyz/s/?q=the+stars+my+destination

>>11399175
Shit, I'm still reading Throne of Glass, Super Sales, and Orphans of Chaos.

>the evil girl wins the MC bowl

>>11399204
best trope.
needs to happen more.

>MC just annihilates the world because it's so shitty

I can't believe something called "Everybody loves large chests" can be actually this good...

>>11399278
its the ridiculousness of it. i mean come on. what mimic calls itself Boxy Trap Morningwood?

>>11399204
Can we keep the "best girl" posts in /a?
They just bring down the whole general.

>>11399289
only if we're banishing litRPG too

>>11399297
I would if I could.

>>11399092
But not being a homo is also very important.

Best Halo novel?

>>11399399
No such thing.

>>11399399
Reading the wiki and jumping from topic to topic to realise Halo is the plebs WH40k

This was a lot better than I expected. Book 4 when?

How is this?

>>11399047
The licanius third book
The first two were great
Read the first two

>>11399278
>can be actually this good
is it though? I'm at the part the demon and fiend fuck each other. "Good" isn't the word I'd use.

"Shit" is the word I'd use

>>11399429
>mark Lawrence shills it
Can’t be good

>>11399084
LAUDE

>>11399429
I liked it, maybe you will too. You have my recommendation.

>>11399444
Just because someone you don't like shills something does not make that something inherently bad. But I do feel you, as I too despise Mark Lawrence's books. Thankfully these books have nothing in common.

>>11399413
fucking loved the dynamic between waldo and melissa. that shit was great.
cant wait for the fourth book but its probably a long ways off. author posted the first chapter though if you wanna read it.
https://www.fictionpress.com/s/3321456/1/The-Rabbit-Who-Lives

he always posta few chapters on his fiction press account but usually he takes like a year or more per book since its more of an hobby for him and he does it on the side next to his dayjob.

>>11399047
Is the new Peter Clines time travel book good?

>>11399399

>>11399696
Steakly is such a chad surname

>>11399204
Never happens.

>>11399827
i've just finished a very good book where it happened

>>11399849
name?

>>11399485
>fucking loved the dynamic between waldo and melissa.
I couldn't agree more, can't get enough of them. The non-waldo parts in book 2 dragged a bit imo, hopefully there won't be too many of them in the upcoming books.

>>11399849
>very good book
Do tell us, I need a good laugh.

>>11399204
Which book?

is this good?

any scifi book that takes place in some cyberpunkish future from the perspective of people in a poor country still using 'current day' tech like what we have now?

>>11399432
The first one was great, then the second book SHIT THE BED.
FUCK YOU FOR CONTINUING TO SHILL THAT SERIES

>>11400053
Define cyberpunk

>>11400023
puppy thots and space teenagers taking knots

to the anon that recommended me he yiff in hell furfag website, why doesn't it update when I request?

>>11399671
>Peter Clines
Would you recommend any of his books, Anon?

>>11400162
I've only listened to the audiobook version of The Fold which I enjoyed, if you like old school Michael Crichton I think you'll dig it.

>>11399827
Somebody said that Nevernight has a girl who murdered the MC's boyfriend end up as the love interest.

>>11399696
or old man's war, or forever war, or just plain old starship troopers, or literally anything other than actual halo novels.

>>11400094
repeating this doesn't make it any more real

>>11400023
I tried reading the first one, but I just couldn't stand the foundational premise with the whole zones thing. I'm more of a hard sci-fi kind of goy

finally finished Bakker's Second Apocalypse books. All in all I thought they were really good, the ideas were a bit stronger than the characters themselves, though I loved Achamian and admittedly liked Kellhus a lot. If you want some dark fantasy with muh-philosophy, check em out.

>>11400539
>hard sci-fi means the entire universe is identical to Earth & our solar system even though we haven't even left our planet yet

Dragon safari 3 is apparently coming out this month.

I am currently using electric power to temper my body, It's painful so I know its working, soon I will attempt to temper my brain, hope it increases my intelligence !

>>11399429
It's terrible.

Alright guys I got a question: has there ever been a good fantasy novel or book where the characters didn’t talk like peasants and nobles from the fifteenth century?

Why is this shit popular? Is it because 80s Nostalgia? Can't be, can it? A book wouldn't be popular just because someone name checks every 80s IMDB, and every 80s Vidya but zero 80s politics right? I mean stranger things is actually good, but this? And he's so proud of all the research he has done. I gotta give it to him at least in that regard: his references are out of control, everyone knows that. But for all the fucking research he did into nostalgia, why did he seemingly do zero research into what makes modern Video Games and VR work? He created an online world where
>everything costs money
>you lose everything on death (so perma death essentially)
>other players can just gank you to death near anywhere. (some zones are PvP disabled)
>pay to win as shit
And a whole bunch of other reason it is absolute garbage. You could be a super strong Decker on the shadowrun planet, and an Elite Soldier on Tom Clancy planet but then you visited Lord of the Rings planet where that stuff doesn't work, get killed by a group of Uruk-hai and you lose all your shit forever? WHO THE FUCK WOULD PLAY THAT? Fuck Uruk-Hai any high level player in a bad mood could fuck up thousands of hours of playing. Imagine losing your steam account because you died in World of Warcraft.
Not to mention the levels of suckage of the actual plot. And the fucking ending. Did we really need another computer game based story where at the end they realize it's maybe not the best thing to spend your life in video games and instead enjoy the real world for a second? Can shit like that not fucking die? For me it failed in portraying a believable world, it failed in portraying a compelling narrative, but it succeeded in making me go "Oh yeah, I remember those" about 3 times a page on average. Is that really good enough? If so, I'm gonna release the 90s version of that in 3 years and take home all the money.

>>11400873
>Being this late to criticism of RP1
All this has been said before and more eloquently

>>11400851
Yes. Stop reading medievalesque fantasy.

>>11400891
I stumbled across a related topic on another board and just had to vent again, seeing how I wasted my time reading that mediocre piece of nostalgia bait. So yeah, it is a bit late, my apologies.
As for eloquence: I'm not a native speaker so I tend to trouble expressing myself in coherent form without resorting to profanity as a filler every second word. Especially when I'm unhappy about something. I'll work on it more, thanks for pointing it out.

>>11400897
Thanks, could I get some examples?

>Red Rising

>>11400962
enjoyed it but the whole communism shit was so stupid.
>everyone is genetically designed for a specific societal rank
>we are all equal
no u aint

>>11401087
They never said that in the book. In Iron Gold, the divisions between them all still exists(grays work security/greens do tech etc.). The only difference is Golds don't get away with being assholes to everyone else. The point was that they were all human, even if designed for different things.

>>11399047
I always hear shit about Sanderson in this board and I always hear praises about him from irl people I know.
So is he actually good? I am not looking for life changing I am just looking for some easy fantasy to read while I read something more serious.
As a reference I did enjoy the first 3 novels of song of ice and fire. I read Name of the Wind and while I enjoyed it somewhat not enough to read the next one.

>>11398711
Harlan Ellison's own editor had been mentioned as a possibility to finish Last Dangerous Visions. If it ever gets published it won't have a chance of living up to its reputation. I think it will still be good tho.

>>11400922
the first Amber series by Roger Zelazny. Sword and sorcery but also modern. The 1st book does has three or four Shakesperean words but otherwise everyone uses modern English.
The Last Unicorn
Last Call by Tim Powers. Modern, Tarot, Vegas
Vurt by Jeff Noon. Cyberpunk style but definitely fantasy
His Majesty's Dragon by Naomi Novik. Napoleonic era, dragons as tall ships
The Jungle Books by Kipling. The Disney versions are nothing compared to the original

>>11401129
Don't read any of that mainstream garbage

>>11400602
it's been a long time, but why do you like kellhus? isn't he """obviously""" supposed to be a huge asshole?

>>11401129
Some fun ideas (magic, worlds, concepts, etc.) but the writing is pretty poor, with stunted characters that lack depth. Pretty much every character he writes is a caricature designed to fit a specific archetype, and he makes sure they never stray too far from that. The shy nerdy person, the rigid and honorable, the serious brooding hero, whatever. I could even get past that and just enjoy the pulp, but you add in his piss poor pacing and it becomes a pretty hard sell.

>>11401129
If you enjoyed those you have a good chance of enjoying Sanderson, but it depends on why you enjoyed those. If you like the characters, then Sanderson probably won't do much for you since character writing is probably his weakest area as storyteller. His strengths are in sweeping narratives and detailed world building. If you liked ASoIaF and NotW because the mysteries and scope of their settings intrigued you, then pick up Sanderson without reservation.

>>11401208
>>11401305
Thanks for the serious answers anons.

>>11401360
I'd recommend you don't bother with any fantasy that's longer than one book.

>>11401208
>>11401305
Not him but thanks from me too for the measured reviews. It's a goddam refreshing change from Sanderson a hack posts.

>>11401391
Some series are good. Can you recommend stand-alones?

>>11400916
You don't stumble upon RP1, you accidentally step in it

>>11401402
Strange&Norrell
Once and Future King
Wizard Knight

>>11401411
I've liked what I've read of Strange & Norrell but the other two are series my dude.

>>11401408
Well I stumbled upon someone talking about something related. (video games in media). I actually was dumb enough to seek out and get RP1 when I heard about it. "80s stuff, combined with Online games / VR? I like all those things!" turns out it wasn't the Peanut Butter and Chocolate combo I hoped for.

>>11401420
No they aren't, Once and future King is one novel and Wizard Knight is a novel split in twain down the middle.

>>11401467
>missing the joke this hard

>>11401702
>hfw

Getting back into reading, I'm planning to read Dune, 2001, 20000 Leagues, Childhoods End and Moby Dick. Also heard good things about Foundation

Also why is it that it seems sci-fi gets a bad reputation? Fantasy has been doing good for ages, but sci-fi still feels like it's for weirdos and not real literature

>>11401775
>sci-fi still feels like it's for weirdos and not real literature
thats all of fiction reading. welcome to the normie paradox. its for normies yet it isnt.

>>11401767
Dune and Moby Dick are great.

>>11401493
>Once and future King is one novel
>Wizard Knight is a novel split in twain down the middle
Once and future king is five novels, published independently and edited together. Wizard Knight is two novels, published independently and then republished in one book (not edited at all).

I'm amazed that you would make such an aggressive claim as "series shouldn't be bothered with" and then recommend two books that only miss that classification on technicalities.

>>11401162
He is an asshole, yes. Very amoral and with one goal in mind. Just something about his wit and charm in the earlier books rubbed off on me. It's almost as if he persuaded/seduced me as well.

I also appreciate his end goal.

>>11401877
Yer mom's a technicality m9-1

>>11399071
Really thought this was a feelguy edit

>>11401129
>I am just looking for some easy fantasy to read while I read something more serious
That's more or less what you get with Sanderson. Average but reliable.

>>11401767
Foundation is boring as fuck, only worth reading if you're interested in the history of sci-fi.

>>11401129
Sanderson writes competent stories with good action and people like him for that. He himself even compares his books to "popcorn flicks".

I just finished reading Shadow of the Torturer.
Not sure if I should re-read it or move on to second book. Or if I should start Deadhouse Gates. (Malazan).

I also ordered two copies of Wizard Knight by Wolfe, gonna be reading that with my brother. Is that any good?

The later books really do get bloody!

>>11399073
>>11402243
only once per thread please.

>>11399071
wow we /fan-art/ now?

>>11402260
did someone say fanart?

>>11402260
Blindsight has some nice fan-art.
BoTNS, surprisingly does not.

Do you guys think that scifi/fantasy isn't as great as it was in the past is due to the fact that the past had more room for new ideas and growth compared to now?

>>11402260
I really like this artist's Palmer Eldritch, makes him look really husbando tier but I feel like his loli form should be younger, cuter, more yandere and fluffier desu

>>11402297
The biggest reason being the past is a deep pool with the present a thin layer of scum topping it.

WoT feels like it was written by a 40 year old virgin, how old was Jordan when he got married?

I need a scifi to make me learn something, or at least feel smart

>>11402293
Can't draw fanart when you're rereading it for the 5th time this year.

>>11402350
As usual, Book of the New Sun.

>>11402320
And no one will rec the shit old stuff so that's forgotten

>>11402364
Exactly.
Well, except here. We love reading those :3

>>11402503
>we

>>11402519
we

>>11402526
>>11402503
Catfag stop implying and go read some catgirl onahole use.

>>11402612
First half of your sentence parses, but then you jumble some words that don't make sense in that order?

>>11402526
>>11402519
>Zemyatin's foundation for 1984
a great book, what's the complaint?

>>11402293
Blindsight is movie-cool
BotNS is bible-cool
Although the bible also has some killer fan art

>>11401117
>the point was that they were all human
yawn

This book was shit. How did it have such good reviews?

>>>11403239

Just dropping this by for anyone interested.

>>11399413
Yep. They were very good books. I love Waldo's mom.

>>11403474
>How did it have such good reviews?
Where?

>>11403657
Amazon. It's at 4 1/2 stars off of over 450 reviews. The plot was a bore and didn't get even remotely interesting till the last 40 pages. He also has this annoying habit of describing a character as saying something "with a wink" which must be part of the culture of that land since every fucking character does it from the MC to the stoic blademaster to the rouge.

"I read book reviews on Amazon, and go by their rating system, and here I come to blog about how I regret my purchase"

Here's a free pro tip for you guys: If a book is popular, don't read it. Just don't.

Or at least don't read it then complain about it being shit.

>>11403713
You seem like a bitter angry person. Why is that?

>>11403721
don't tell me how to live my life fat ass

>>11403724
like lady gaga
I was born this way

>>11403736
lack of any accomplishment usually makes traits you're born with like those persist throughout life

>>11403724
He's not the one crying about buying a book from useless amazon reviews.

>>11403713
>buying books

>>11403790
He's the one crying about someone crying about buying a book from useless amazon reviews. So what's your point?

>>11400602
I liked those books until the last couple, but the whole series seemed a bit "look how edgy and adult my series is I have rape monsters and shit"

>>11403804
That it's common knowledge that Amazon/Goodread reviews are fucking worthless? Especially when it comes to books?

>>11403814
I've read a some good ones from them

New book by MJ Sullivan out tomorrow

>>11403840
Been thinking about reading these or the riyria books. How much of a leftist is he?

>Casually buying people as slaves and them being fine with it
>Turning people into sausage that powers you up
>Dog girl that clones herself and runs her own PMC

Why am I still reading this garbage holy shit. I can't stop myself.

>>11404160
Yo hit me up senpai this sounds like some fun garbage

>>11404160
but remember sex between a man in a position of authority and a willing woman is still rape
Also natural human behavior is "racism" and worse than murder

>>11404160
But it was reality the fat twitter women were the nazis all along & finbongrip (in the future they don't just say fin they say finbongrip cuz if u dont take a bong rip after that joint u cant play any 3d backgammon)

>>11400356
The actual halo novels are much better than they should be, though. Not good, but better. My review is that I read the first few and remember being entertained as I read them but as of now I'm unable to recall a single event that happened or a single character other than MC.

>>11399408
>WH40k
Where do you start with that?

>>11400023
I loved it for the setting.

>>11404160
>Somehow supervillains taking over a city improved the economy and heroes from elsewhere haven't done shit
>Magic and other fantasy races exist alongside the capshit

And its a litrpg to top it all off

>>11399408
>Halo is the plebs WH40k
How the fuck are they even alike aside from humans vs aliens? How the fuck is Warhammer not a pleb dumbed down version of the classics?

>>11403855
RIYRIA ARE THE ONLY BOOKS HE PUBLISHED.
FORGET EVERYTHING ELSE.
THERE IS NOTHING ELSE.

>>11404160
Welcome brother

>>11404379
tard

If I read "raised an eyebrow" one more time I'm going to fucking flip.

>>11404189
I thought you were joking

>>11399399
Fall of Reach is the best one, I guess. They are all written shockingly poorly desu

>>11404369
The parallels between space marine spartan training and space marine training is damn near the same.
The parallels continue to spread so much so that Halo feels like watered down WH40k

Is this a decent plot twist to set off a novel

>after the subway skips his stop and spending an entire evening hopelessly lost in an unfamiliar part of the city, the MC finally comes across a familiar street on the southern tip of manhattan.
>as the last red glow of the day disappears over the horizon, he stares out over the water and thinks where the fuck is the statue of liberty?

So nobody's coughed up the second Large Chests epub yet?

>>11399671
Nope. He has driven his thinly veiled author insert/blatant waifu romance books into the ground like he did his exheroes series. 14 was really good and the fold was ok but I would pass on Paradox Bound.

>>11404740
its a webnovel for free...

>>11403719
Being contrarian doesn’t make you a more interesting person anon

>>11404907
Neither does not being one.

Hi /lit/torals. /k/ visiting. I have a question and I think this is the place to ask.
Soon I'm going away for a good while and want to fill my [electronic reading device] with good science fiction.
I like what I call classic sci-fi to about 1975 ish. Heinlein, Lem, Clarke, Strugatskys, Wyndham, Niven, Chandler, Asimov, etc.
Stuff where men are men, aliens are inscrutable, rayguns shoot things and the cosmic infinite is explored. I think you know what I mean.
Anyway my question is, modern sci-fi doesn't seem to do anything like that any more. It's all 800 page twelve volume space operas where gay furry (possibly Muslim) space cats inexplicably listen to contemporary hipster music. Ok that was hyperbole but you get the idea.
Is there anything being written today that might be on my lines?
>I don't have much to offer you in return but my thanks.

Has anyone read the Ark Royal series? I would love to bitch about them with someone.

>>11404624
Halo is 40K without the fun stuff. Then again 40K is judge dredd with some additions.

>>11404938
time to blog about crappy sci-fi? XD
Let me guess, you don't like the FTL system ??

>>11404941
Actually it was more the repetition of certain stock phrases, and how the actually pretty decent books 1-5 suddenly nosedived from alright to dreadful as soon as the cast diversified and Prince Harry became a main character.

I actually liked the FTL tramlines.

>>11403465
Not an argument

I've been kicking around an idea for a book and I think I may have gone full retard here.
>on an alien world
>everything /pol/ believes
>Is real
The natives are slowly being replaced, a subversive outsider is trying to put fluoride in the water, the culture is being destroyed, all the frogs are turning gay, etc.
>all because of nefarious ancient aliens who have decided that in the future the natives will be a threat to them.
>possible twist: it's really happening, or it isn't.

>>11404962
don't forget the shapeshifting reptians
satanic cults & rituals & human sacrifice
etc

>>11404948
I think I read a few of the books, but I really didn't like the premise
Its like are we going to break out civil war cannons because our new lasers & railguns don't work ?? So silly.

>>11404970
That's the idea. The complete thing all at once. From waterfilters to Antifa to Gos-Emperor to Malthusian disasters.

>>11404977
Kind of. A ship that was thought obsolete and a dead end in design turned out not to be.

>>11404911
Struck a nerve I see

>>11404985
If you want to project, I guess.

New anon.
>>11403719
Depends entirely on how you define popular.
>>11404985
Whatever happened to civil discourse?

>>11404989
>no u
Ok

>>11404990
>Whatever happened to civil discourse?
Here? Nipped in the bud.

>>11404991
What else is there to say? I responded to your response to someone else and you had nothing to say back. Put shit in, you get shit back.

>>11404996
>nofightingthisisthewarroom.kubrick
I always like to see anons being a bit more creative.

>>11404983
Yea I dnno, its odd and contrived, not how things work irl
I forget why I stopped reading the series though

>>11405006
With the response of a 10 year old. You must be very proud of yourself.

>>11405024
You replied with 10 year old shit, and you got 10 year old shit back.

>>11405014
That's fair.
I mean it is a bit like us suddenly realising we need the Iowas to fight a previously unknown species of wildebeest.
I can't really think of a time in history where we've jumped back like that to an old design we just happened to have lying around. Though in saying that the Home Guard did dig out some old relics but they weren't exactly super effective.

>>11405010
I suppose. Haven't seen one here go this long in a while.

>>11405042
I guess the only response you have is “nuh uh you.” Again well done.

>>11405048
Try /tg/. I've seen autistic slapfights (that are still ongoing) last for years. Without mentioning the name but transposing a letter in this series of three will give you the acronym BPT.

>>11405059
Kek, no thanks. The pace here suits me fine.

>>11404935
I feel your pain.

>>11405069
>you have to go back
I get what you mean. Though /lit/ certainly has its moments...

>>11405047
Yea sure to have something is better than nothing
If the story was more of an obsolete ship showing she wasn't quite fit for scrap yet, that would be much more plausible.

>>11405079
Believe me though the series gets much, much worse which is sad as the premise wasn't all bad.

Tell me what to think

>>11405114
Never read it but it looks like it has Intel Inside.

>>11405114
I read all three ancillary justice but couldn't get through a third of that

>>11405119
I just finished book 1 and downloaded the rest of Everybody loves large chests (like 200 chapters). Is it worth it?

>>11405114
Book 1: Readers complain that it is 2deep4u and consequently subsequent books get dumbed down. But it's actually great as a standalone.
Book 2: Middle book syndrome
Book 3: The man who cucked himself to death: Gay edition. You think that psycommu Gundam-style is going to happen but it doesn't because this is basically gay space nazi SoL.

We needed to write a trilogy when the author only has ideas for 1 and a half books/10.

>>11405186
Diversification has always seemed like a really cheap literary crutch.
>Oh no I'm out of ideas
>what if I add some women and kvetch constantly about how hard womaning is. They'll follow exactly the same arc as every other woman in every other piece of fiction since 1980 and I won't need an original idea.

>>11405205
Or just have it be one book/1.5 books or 2 books and focus harder on the space opera of the space opera plot.

A lot of these more modern authors could probably tell a pretty decent story if they didn't have so much filler.

>>11399047

>>11405250
>commie stuff
>vampires in space
>terrible covers
>Jonathan finds himself halfway across the solar system, smuggling condoms for the religiously-oppressed citizens of an outer-system colony named Sanctity.

yikes

Anything else worth reading from Wells besides The Time Machine after War of the Worlds?

>>11405355
Not really to be honest. You might like John Wyndham. He was (to me anwyay) a kind of successor to Wells.

>>11405205
>>11405267
>actually virtue signalling this hard

>>11405364
Oh yeah I did read Day of the Triffids and it was cool. I couldn't get into his one about the telepathic kids who use shapes and colours though

>>11403840
>Book 6: Age of Empyre
sounds like a Chinese bootleg of the PC game

>>11405374
Try the one about the sea monsters.

>>11405355
Island of Dr. Moreau
for the feels

>>11405367
I just want well written women and other characters who aren't simply identified by their gender/race and made one dimensional because of it.
>t. Card carrying lefty

>>11404935
Stephen Baxter is a little more verbose than the classics, but he might be what you're looking for. His "series" are standalones (except for Long Earth) in the same universe.

Also John C. Wright. Start with Golden Age, then Count to a Trillion if you liked GA.

Also you should read Ted Chiang's stories. They might be too self-consciously literary for you but you owe it to yourself to give him a try.

>>11403700
Most fantasy readers are absolute plebs. Don't even bother relying on "mass" reviews. Try to find a critic you trust -- I don't have any recommendations -- or stick to classics. The problem with finding a trustworthy critic is that anyone willing to read massive volumes of forgettable fantasy probably has terrible taste.

If we can ignore Scientology, are those Battlefield Earth books good?

>>11402350
Greg Egan - Diaspora.

>>11404990
Popular is anything with more than 150 goodreads ratings

>>11404907
Neither does reading books written for the lowest common denominator

>>11405748
>using terms like "lowest common denominator"
>caring about what is popular
I think you are far more shallow than the people presume superiority over.

>>11404703
I like it anon.

>>11401767
The second and third Foundation books are good, first one is kind of directionless after the beginning

what are some books like serial experiments lain or boogiepop phantom, /sffg/?

>>11401767
the fist book is good but that just collection of short storeys it all goes downhill form there, especially the last 2 books.
Everything else is fine, maybe pick something up like- the stars my destination, to see if you like more action peaked stuff(and its part of the mouthy reading here).

>>11405969
>anime
Well how about trying killing yourself my man

>>11406031
where do you think you are?

>>11405250
Ok Blindsight is my favourite book and I loved We so you've caught my attention.
I've actually seen a fuckload of Red Rising-post on here over the years so I may try it but I haven't heard of any of the others.

I'm into hard sci-fi, what would you recommend from your list?

>>11405969
Why not ask on /a?

>>11399071
he never ate enough to stay as ripped as people draw him

>>11406133
you know its funny in fantasy barely anyone has sexy armor on unless its like a sorceress or something. then they have a slutty dress. but no sexy armor.
i want sexy armor in muh fantasy.

>>11406175
I wish you guys would stop dragging fantasy through the mud. It's genre fiction all right but there is no need to include every disgusting little thing that makes someones dick hard.

>>11406178
its not fantasy if it doesn't include things people fantasize about.

>>11406185
No what you mean to say it's not fantasy if it doesn't include (and revolve around) whatever weird cringe inducing shit you get off to. Unfortunately at that point it becomes porn. Or a light novel.

>>11404740
Its called fizzlepockets

>>11404703
It sounds interesting, anon

>>11406226
That's not true. fantasy is so diverse in its worlds and thematic that its not really too much to ask for to have a book or series that caters to a specific fantasy or even fetish. i mean most 80-90s fantasy books are basically fetish bait and no one complained at all. quite the opposite. most were heralded as gods gift to fantasy writing. all the while have themes like incestuous relationships, slavery and bondage and other things like necrophilia.
its really all in the high of the beholder. id rate bikini armor exceptionally tame compared to whats happening in most mainstream fantasy books.

>>11404935
Bv Larson Undying Mercenaries
Neal Asher Agent Cormac
Although both suffer from the multiple books you mentioned. But at least they aren't 800 lages each.

>>11404962
>>11404981

>>11406239
But slavery, incest, and even bondage (in the right circumstance like the bedroom or whatever,) are all part of human nature, granted the worst parts of it. Seeing someone walking down the street in medieval Europe wearing bikinis is silly unless it’s part of some bizarre culture or race.

>>11406239
>>11406239
>incestious relatinships
>necrophilia
Name 5 fantasy books from the 80-90s that had this you delusional faggot.

>>11406325
but magic and elves and other things isn't silly?
that argument can easily be turned around on you. because if we go by that logic anything that has magic in or fantasy races is also not part of fantasy because its either not in human nature or didn't happen somewhere in real history.

>>11406327
>rec me books

>>11406327
Nuh uh it's clearly more important to find about any books that contained SM themes. Preferably female on female.

>>11406367
>>11406355
That’s what I thought

>>11406335
I never argued that fetish fuel couldn't be fantasy. I'm not that anon. I'm arguing that those traits you list are realistic because they are a part of us.
Elves in fantasy tend to wear clothes, have dayjobs/duties, families, and function like people do - plausible because they reflect the realistic nature of a humanoid being.
Wearing skimp clothes is frickin' cold and rape-bait for the guy around the alley. It's stupid by all accounts and makes no sense (unless a bizarre culture, race, or circumstance.) It's only silly if you don't sell it believable with all the consequences that it imposes in reality (unless your intention is to BE silly.)

>>11406565
you are just cherry-picking all the parts of fantasy you like from those you dislike according to your preferences. how is that different from me wanting more bikini armor. you are literally complaining about me wanting something while you want the same but for a different subject matter because the circumstances are defined by your likes and dislikes. i completely understand your point of view because its exactly my point of view.
i don't think our discussion is going anywhere so long you don't accept that both our points are valid because they are essentially the same save for preconcieved notions of differences and expectations in settings and peoples customs in fantasy.

Yo i'll have some of what >>11406580 is having please.

Holy shit! Actual discussion on /sffg/.
What the fuck is going on?

>>11399047
What about Discworld stories? where do you rank em?

>>11405478
Don't read "The Long earth" series. Save yourselves, don't do it. Those books are a whole lot of nothing, only good for insomniacs.

>>11406593
Get fucked douchebag

>>11405748
You're the guy who's "favorite" band changes every six months when more than fifty people start showing up for shows.

>>11406606
You ain't a fantasy reader unless you read Pratchett. Wyrd Sisters, Mort and guards, guards are fantasy classics

Malazan reading order, please.

>>11403840
Cancer
>>11403855
He is the biggest faggot I've ever read.

>>11406580
I don't think you're listening to me, anon. The other anon is not me. I think tasteless smut is trash but I argue from the standpoint of it being more not realistic in comparison to the horrible human traits you presented.
Rape, Bondage, and even necrophillia are more natural in stories (because they tend to be portrayed as secretive businesses) than going out in the open with bikkini armour. That's my point. You can't take it seriously in comparison to the before traits mentioned in secretive scenarios. The other anon has his arguments, and I don't fully agree with him now that I checked back, but this one is mine. This has been my core argument from the beginning.

As to fantasy, it is just fantasy: anything's possible. You are correct. However I feel like that other anon just wanted a little more class in the genre (ironically while posting the smut he condemms.)

>>11406606
Great, if you like fantasy and want to have a laugh.

>>11406133
I did but they called me a faggot.

>>11406733
From the first book that was released to the last book that was released.

>>11406175
Now I'm imagining a sword and sorcery parody where the hero dies because he keeps getting distracted by the evil sorceress's boobs.

>>11404284
Contact Harvest was pretty good solely for fleshing out Covenant interactions between species, and for having combat which doesn't feature everyone's FAVORTE OP spess muhreens.
Not groundbreaking literature but it's alright if you want something to read while you're eating.

I'm waiting on something that makes me feel how I did reading Blindsight for the first time

>>11404935
Pick up the entire Perry Rhodan series, or as many books as you can afford. You will tear through them like a hot knife through butter since each individual book is so short, but they manage to fit quite a lot of progression in the span of a few books, and it's absolutely oozing pulp sci-fi atmosphere. It's a very fun ride.

>>11404160
Because despite the absurdity of the premise its strangely compelling.

>>11406952
Well, they weren't wrong.

>>11402350
>at least feel smart
Greg Egan - Quarantine.
It starts off as noir and turns into the world's greatest abuse of quantum mechanics.

>>11406733
Its easy, anon. There are ten books. They are chronological. Read them in release order. Badda-bing, badda-boom.

>>11406918
>Rape, Bondage, and even necrophillia are more natural in stories (because they tend to be portrayed as secretive businesses) than going out in the open with bikkini armour.
I guarantee you there are more women who wear bikini armor in public right now then there are people fucking corpses.

>>11407339
>Its easy, anon.
right
>There are ten books.
right
>They are chronological.
wrong
>Read them in release order.
right

Just finished the Powder Mage series, I thought it was pretty great and enjoyed the ending. I felt the first the book was the best but 2nd and 3rd did have moments that got me going. What is /sffg/'s opinion of Powdermage? and are there any more books with a coup d'etat or flintlocks and bayonets like Powdermage?

>>11407371
>wrong
MOSTLY chronological. Tiste Eder/Toblakai flashback fuckery aside.

>>11407389
Stopped reading the first book after the plot twist when what'sherface turned out to be apart of the big evil or whatever because it was boring as fuck. Maybe I should've kept my expectations of bad dialogue and dumb action in check when I heard it was written by one of Sanderson's students.

>>11407389
Just plain awesome....

Anyone have a link to a complete audiobook version of Vellum: The Book of All Hours? I've only been able to find the first half.

>genre fiction

Cucks

t. litpat

>>11407534
Does he use the word awesome in the books?

>>11407552
ok

>>11407859

>>11406952
Guess /a knows how to deal with plebs.

>>11407859
>>11407868
ASoIaF?

This is pretty good

>>11407389
Django Wexler has a similar series that's pretty good but has less supernatural stuff.

Adrian Tchaikovsky's Guns of the Dawn is apparently good but I haven't read it.

Glen Cook's Instrumentalities of the Night is more "early modern hand gonnes" in theme but it's a good series set in a fantasy Crusades period Mediterranean.

There's also always the Sharpe series.

>>11408117
I always find old "oh no overpopulation!" stories to feel super dated.

>>11408117

>>11406952
The problem with your question is that you don't specify what elements of those shows that you like so anons have a base to give recommendations from. Seriously, "What is a book like Lain?" Do you want a book written before the existence of recent tech that's about the possibilities of it? Kind of vague given the genre. Do you want a book about a schoolgirl going through a "surreal trip"?, sci fi with solipsistic themes?

>>11408140
So far it's not just overpopulation and whatnot, though it is a big point of it. It's kinda weird how similar it is with today, with the lax on cannabis, the oncoming war with China, questions about reproduction.

Weird that it was written in the 60s

What kind of spaceships do you like reading about in science fiction? Grounded somewhat in reality? Completely balls to the walls science fantasy?

>>11404167
It's super sales on super heroes.

>>11407389
If the first was the best, I'm glad I dropped it after that.

>>11407354
>now
In this day and age, sure. Medieval times, probably not.
Also how do YOU know? Necrophilles don’t show themselves in public. Their numbers are probably hidden. Your mum might be a necrophille, anon, and she’d never tell you.

>>11407389
Got me really worked up when MCs sons fiance cheats on him and both really just drop the ball on that. And then the ex fiance bangs MCs bodyguard it was some real cuck shit. I dont know, it was a really good book but it was gnagging at the back of my head the whole time. I felt like I cared more than anyone in the fucking book that things progressively got worse for the son as he fell into drug abuse to escape his depression. And then I saw the author released a book about the exfiance but you have GOT ME FUCKED UP if you think Im reading her shitty vapid roastie story.

>>11404160
its something about how simple the premise was. i mean the guy just wanted to make a company and then did it. no sub plots no ulterior motives. no six novels full of setting up shit.
it was strangely refreshing honestly. i never expected it to be good. id even count it towards the best things i read in 2017.

Any of you fags read this?

>>11406226
>>11406178
>>11406133
I wanna know where you got these. Do they come from the same place or did you just collect them from a bunch of places over the years?

>>11408855
MC's son ends up banging a loli superwitch and shooting God between the eyes so I think his life balances out

>>11408882
Are you joking or are you really that inept?

>>11408903
That sounds like some quality literature.

>>11408903
Think I'm finally starting to understand why /lit/ hates genre fiction so much.

>>11408903
Yes but there was no revenge or roastie destruction... Not once by men or by happenstance does the roastie get punished for her actions. She only has a singular statement on the matter to MC and Im pretty sure it wasn't regret. She doesnt regret her actions. NO ONE PUNISHES HER not even herself. She cheated and the dude sits in a hookah den and gets high for days straight and sells the buttons on his uniform to get high some more. I didnt like the superwitch loli but I may have just been jaded. Shooting god between the eyes was kinda meh at the time because the fat cooking god also dies. Idk. Shitty book written by a cuck. Dropped the third one when the bodyguards team of elite troops stop the MC from cockblocking the bodyguard and exfiance love making. And thats reminded me of their love making in the woods. REEEEEEE fuck roasties. This books sucks 0/10 and a dog dies. Actually sidenote the MCs two badass dogs were really cool.

>>11408978
What the fuck?
Who let the robots in?

>>11408989
How did you know I reside primarily in r9k...? I appreciate good literature as long as it gives the good and the bad in equal pacing. MC can be good or evil and can go through some tough shit but wnds up popping off. Likenthe Greatcloak Trilogy was fucking gid tier because ut got me worked up but then BAM those tolls were paid in full.

Also i refuse to read anything written by a woman or with a female main character. Womens emotions are illusions casted by themselves and I refuse to read a lie. Or romance centric fantasy.

REEEEEEEE etc etc

>Dystopian fiction
>1st person perspective
>society divided into castes

What story am I?

>>11409028
which story aren't you

>>11409028
India?

Are any of the Battletech books good?

>>11409068
The one that comes with Mechwarrior 4 is.

>>11409028
Wouldn't a caste system be inherent in a dystopia? It's like complaining about space ships in a space opera.

>>11409099
He might mean those weird and arbitrary castes which are in YA books, like Hunger Games with the districts and Divergent whatever in the world they call their factions.

>>11409054
is it really dystopian if everyone just shits on the streets?

>>11409054
>>11409255
>technology continues to advance
>Indians continue to shit in the streets
Lord of Light becomes less fictitious every day.

>>11408855
>>11408978
Then read classics you dumb /r9k/ cunt

>>11408978
Absolutely haram. Where are all the non cuck fantasy books with harems in it?

Any other novels about founding a nation/empire ? (just finished wild wastes)

>>11401129
Way of Kings is good, if only for the worldbuilding

>>11409099
nothing wrong with caste systems
the false dysfunctional "equality" of the modern era is far more dystopian

>>11408978
>>11408855
FUcking KEK

Kowtow to me before you speak !

>>11406133
>>11406178
>>11406226
>>11407888
Whoever is drawing these women with bigass/coolass weapons and making them scantily dressed with fucking high heels deserves to be gassed. What kind of fucking sicko thinks its hot or sexy or cool to deliberately draw hot strippers with weapons? Holy shit this meme pisses me off

>>11410401
Actually old German fencing manuals generally depicted the fighters in the nude.

>>11408855
Its ok. MC got a better more attractive girl at the end anyways.

And ex fiance book has the mc show up halfway through and take over the plot [/spoiler[

>casually references 8,000 Star Wars races I've never heard of
>look up each one on Wookiepedia

how has my life come to this

>>11410414
Roastie got an upward trending arc by getting it on with bodyguard and becoming happier before she ever got a redemption arc. I actually don't remember much about savage super magic loli bwcause I was actually rushing through the last two books hunting for exfiance getting BTFO. Like I said, Greatcloak Trilogy got the revenge/BTFO part so right. The Wizard Knight did it right by not having romance at all. The Black Company did it right by being an overall feels good power trip, just the right amount of twists. Those like 14 books by Robert Jordan really got fucked up by book 7 with some REAL KEK shit. Rands childhood friend x Prince was NOT what I wanted to read about. Slut Queen and her bodyguard was not what I wanted to read about. Rand did get quite the unique harem and they even kept some personality before I dropped book 9. Lord of the Rings obviously no romance, great world building, but too black and white and not morally grey/too much plot armour. Then there are fantasy books written by Patrick Rothfuss and Joe Abercrombie and Steven Erikson which are for complete NORMIES. Tumblr blog tier books. Hopefully you can tell what kind of reader I am and see that I am autistic. I HIGHLY recommend The Greatcloak Trilogy any /rec/s here?

>>11410684
>Greatcloak Trilogy

I checked out on the first book pretty much immediately because droit du seigneur is a literary fabrication.

>>11408111
ASoIaF

>>11409028
Could be several, the most obvious answer is 1984.

>>11410775
>no one ever depicts her losing her hair even though it's in the book
I guess a bald naked girl in a fire is not as hot as a non-bald naked girl in a fire.

>>11410401
>What kind of fucking sicko thinks its hot or sexy or cool to deliberately draw hot strippers with weapons?
Settle down there homo.

>>11408978
Dude, I'm cringing. You gotta stop /r9k/ing. There are no positive outcomes to it.

>>11410684
>Patrick Rothfuss and Joe Abercrombie and Steven Erikson are for complete NORMIES
How is reading huge ass books in a multi-volume series of fantasy a normie thing?

>>11408155
I don't really talk to people so thanks for telling me what I did wrong, anon.

>>11410942
I dont read books for others validation fag, who cares if you cringe at me. I think those authors are quite dull, terrible at world building and character development, and just churn out shit. Sorry you liked Garden of the Moon so much brainlet.

>>11405205
Out of curiosity, what is the arc that every other female character has followed since 1980? I'm currently planning a series of books with a female protagonist, but I don't want her gender to be a big deal. Her being a woman is far less important than her job within the universe and it's rarely brought up as being either a help or hindrance.