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What is some good fascist and far right literature?

>> No.11384397

- Rene Guenon
- Martin Lings
- Seyyed Hossein Nasr
- Frithjof Schuon
- Ananda K. Coomaraswamy
- Julius Evola
- Titus Burckhardt
- Philip Sherrard
- Jean Borella
- Marco Pallis etc

>> No.11384398

>>11384389
God I wish that were me

>> No.11384404

There is no such thing as good literature for that. It's just self-praise, blaming the left for everything and zero critical thinking.

It's easy, here
>ah remember good old times, so good being white, i wish different people were dead they are ruining everything, hitler was not so bad, actually he was kind of good, he was very nice really

>> No.11384406

>>11384404
>but muh based gommie maniautismo is ebic :DDDDDD

>> No.11384409

>>11384404
Thanks, Rabbi.

>> No.11384421

>>11384397
>no nietzsche
>no carl schmitt
>no giovanni gentile

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>>11384421
>Nietzsche is far-right/fascist

>> No.11384433

>>11384404
this and also muh eastern mysticism and templar heritage shows up from time to time. it's trash really. i went into it expecting, no wanting a conversion but didn't fins it.

>> No.11384437 [DELETED] 

>>11384430
He heavily influenced fascist thought. No not the antisemitism and racism of the Nazis, but the will to power, might makes right, create your own values, irrational acts that defy logic etc. Very fascist type thinking.

>> No.11384457

>>11384430
He heavily influenced fascist thought. No not the antisemitism and racism of the Nazis, but the will to power, might makes right, create your own values, irrational acts that defy logic and of course the concept of the Ubermensch, which is central to fascism. There are many more but you can see he had a very fascistic type way of thinking.

>> No.11384461

>>11384430
He influenced a lot of fascist thought tbf

>> No.11384468

>>11384404
>>11384433
Why do you leftists never contribute? You come in, insult, and add nothing to the conversation. Most of the Christians, fascists, conservatives, classical liberals, libertarians and even the poltards all contribute something and engage, you fags just shit up the board.

>> No.11384469

>>11384389
i am tired of the far right tryhards ... why don't yall just fuck off. i bet they rally themselves to be visible. what next... another fucking useless thread about the unabomber? fucking hell what a boring lot.

>> No.11384475

>>11384468
see
>>11384469
You fags do the exact same shit as of queue.

>> No.11384478

>>11384461
He also influenced a lot of leftist thought, though like the far right they downplay the aspects of his thought that does not mesh as well with their own political projects.

>> No.11384480

>>11384478
That's also true, but to understand fascist thought you need to read him

>> No.11384485

>>11384478
I really don't see how he was a leftist in any way. If you mean that a few neutral thoughts about metaphysics leftist philosophers talked about, sure but he had irredeemable virtues in the eyes of a leftist (and liberals). Could you give some examples though?

>> No.11384494

>>11384397
This is Traditionalist literature you nigger
>>11384389
>Schmitt
>Sorel (Marxist but big influence on Musso)
>Rosenberg
>Hitler
>Yockey
>Spengler
>Gentile
>Bardéche
>Faye
>de Benoist
>Mosley
>Mason (SIEGE)
>Rockwell
Can’t think of anyone else

>> No.11384500

>>11384494
Carlyle and Nietzsche should also be included. Sorel can be left out, I know he did influenced some fascist thought originally but his ideas were shit and eventually were dropped. SIEGE Is also mega autist larper crap.

>> No.11384504

>>11384475
...that's literally another leftie not contributing to the discussion, anon.

>> No.11384505

http://4umi.com/nietzsche/zarathustra/11
Not very fascist.

>> No.11384511

>>11384505
Nobody is saying he was a fascist in the literal political sense of the word, but the philosophical backing and ideas of fascism have been massively influenced by Nietzsche.

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>>11384430
He's so far to the right that right-wingers are afraid of him. In Human, All Too Human he completely shit on traditionalists and their lot, and his Overman is essentially the "human milestone" of all human milestones. He is mercilessly hierarchical.

>> No.11384529

>>11384404
>>11384433
>>11384469

Oh my god, I think the left is finally realizing that they lost the election. Look at how unhinged they are, it's finally sinking in.

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im just interested in the topic

>> No.11384562

>>11384468
Why do you think I'm a leftist at all you dipshit? Just because I shit on your childish fascist dreams?

Your posts proves my point: zero critical thinking, blaming leftists and then you praised your ideological partners.

Also, if a leftist recommended a left-wing literature, you wouldn't call it contributing, you'd be calling propaganda or whatever. That's the same type of "contribution" you are talking about. What you really mean is "why don't you fags just agree with us already?".

>> No.11384567

>>11384562
SEETHING!

>> No.11384574

>>11384562
only libs get this fucking ass blasted

>> No.11384577

>>11384485
Nietzsche was not leftist, I said he was influential among many of them. Foucault was greatly influenced by N. same goes for Deleuze and these two, among other french left intellectuals of the later 20th Century were writing in response to the failures of the 68 protests, the aftermath which (combined with more and more news about the conditions of living in the USSR) resulted in many thinkers falling out of love with orthodox Marxism. In the earlier 20th century many Anarchists were reading N. and finding inspiration in his hatred of the state and his prophecy that master/slave relations would finally end with the creation of the overman.

Nietzsche has always been moderately popular with far leftists looking to escape the dogmas of the Marxist orthodoxy. Although, as I mentioned before, they tend to cherry pick him, just like those on the right.

I would not put N. on either the left or the right but I would argue that he despised many of the qualities common in both and because of this he is often drawn on by both to critique the other, or perceived failings of the in group.

>> No.11384599

>>11384430
Ahh yes centrist Nietzsche.

>> No.11384693

>>11384577
Yes, he influenced them, and usually the subjects that influenced them were not in any way pointing to the left. I can't think of any of Nietzsche believes that would exempt from the ultra right and again none that could confound him as a leftist. Neutral epistemological ideas that a rightist or leftist could use doesn't really equate to being exempt from far right. Name one idea that Nietzsche himself had that could be considered leftist.

>> No.11384695

>>11384599
WTF I'm suddenly a radical centrist now!

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>>11384695
Welcome 2 ganggang

>> No.11384707

>>11384389
Is pic related a real girl or am I being bamboozled yet again?

>> No.11384708

>>11384389

Gilles by La Rochelle is the 'For Whom the Bell Tolls' of Fascism

>> No.11384716

>>11384693
>Name one idea that Nietzsche himself had that could be considered leftist
I will not since I never argued that he was leftist or that his ideas were
>Yes, he influenced them
Which is what I said in my first post

>> No.11384730

Nietzsche was literally ancap I swear to god redd*t brainlets

>> No.11384738

nietzsche's a jewish hoax and you lying scum all know it

>> No.11384740

>>11384716
But do you agree that his ideas that influenced leftists were not leftist in nature, while his ideas that influenced fascist or other far righters were inherently that?

>> No.11384756

>>11384389
Robert E Howard.
Also Lafayette Hubbard wrote a novel titled Final Blackout that was pretty much "fascism could work if I was in charge of it."

>> No.11384760

The Qu'ran

>> No.11384762

>>11384404
>leftists aren't massively more guilty of this simplistic gibberish, and in fact worse, because they have no traditions to invoke.

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>> No.11384782

no matter what, steer clear from any fiction recommendations they'll give you because they honestly can't write fiction worth a goddamn.

>> No.11384797

>>11384740
No. N. was mostly apolitical and that N. was a poet-prophet rather than political theorist. Most of what fascism is, especially NS, he would have despised as he despised much of their precursors while alive. The closest fascist iteration to his thoughts would have been Tommaso Marinetti, and even then this is far from a perfect match. Accelerationism comes closest to a political Nietzscheanism as it can trace it's lineage back to his works directly, among some others, and even then this is largely because it, like the work of N., is primary preoccupied with diagnosis over prescription.

>> No.11384799

>>11384404
> i wish different people were dead they are ruining everything
there are no different people anymore. you people killed them all because homogenous one world culture is more efficient for buying uggs + ipads

>> No.11384807

>>11384760
Delete this and come back when your have actually studied the book.

>> No.11384835

>>11384730
>>11384738
Actually neetshee was a pen name for Plato, who had become immortal from thinking too hard about caves and needed an outlet for his ideas

>> No.11384872

>>11384398
My gf has the same outfit. It's from Amazon. Pretty cheap but it holds up under fucking. Her tits pop out of it though.

>>11384708
I wish this would be translated already...

>> No.11384909

>>11384404
*hebraic screeching*

>> No.11384916

>>11384872
Based. Can you please link the articles of clothing for me?

>> No.11384925

>>11384916
https://www.amazon.com/ANJAYLIA-Lingerie-Schoolgirls-Cosplay-Costumes/dp/B00PDACJ42/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1530157840&sr=8-5&keywords=schoolgirl+outfit

That's it, my man.

>> No.11384979

>>11384925
Awesome. Now I just need to either get in shape or get a qt to wear it. >.<

>> No.11385001

>>11384872
>>11384925
Can you also tell me about your gf please? <3

>> No.11385002

>>11385001
she has a 7 inch, girthy cock

>> No.11385017

The internet-right is adopting a lot of views originating from the left when criticizing capitalism. The Dialectic of Enlightenment, Capitalism and Schizophrenia, Society of the Spectacle, etc. Even stuff like Gramsci is valuable when discussing hegemonic ideas and power. Arendt has some good stuff on tradition and authority.
Capitalism is degenerate and diminishes the human soul. Leftists are not concerned with the human soul, but they have picked apart capitalism and really dug into the intricacies of its toxicity.

>> No.11385019

>>11384404
This.

Imagine thinking otherwise. Fuck off back to >>>/pol/ . /lit/ is a nice board

>> No.11385022

>>11385002
Same. More please.

>> No.11385024

>>11385019
Go to bed Rabbi!

>> No.11385030

>>11385019
S E E T H I N G !

>> No.11385038

>>11385002
Sounds hot. What else does she look like?

>> No.11385039

>>11384389
Decline of the west
Imperium
Nietzsche
Politics - Heinrich von Treitschke
Plato?
Thucydides
Carl Schmitt, esp Concept of the Political

>> No.11385056

>>11384404
This is the most Jewish thing I've ever read. And you wonder why literally everyone hates you.

>> No.11385067

>>11384404
These fucking kikes, man. Insufferable.

>> No.11385069

>>11385039
only if you're retarded is nietzsche good for the far right

>> No.11385072

>>11384404
one post that absolutely DESTROYS rigtcucks

>> No.11385073

>>11384404
first reply to this post that was not by the fellow who made it

>> No.11385076

>>11385072
Keep telling yourself this /leftypol/

>> No.11385078

>>11385072
first reply to this post that was not by the fellow who made it

>> No.11385079

>>11385078
first reply to this post that was by the fellow who made it

>> No.11385080

Im not replying to myself your replying to yourself gaylord

>> No.11385083

>>11384389
Rightwing, Peterson, Nazi punks get the fuck off our board. /lit/ is a leftist space.

>> No.11385087

>>11385083
bugger off OP

>> No.11385089

>>11385087
Fuck off Peterson-fag

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Just started pic related

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>>11384404
>>11384469
>>11384562
>>11385072
>>11385083
>>11385089
>>11385090

>> No.11385094

>>11385091
all me btw

>> No.11385098

>jezebelposting
>flaming
>offtopic
>/pol/-tier bait
great thread guys

>> No.11385099

>>11384430
Nietzsche is a radical antiegalitarian favoring aristocratic rule. There is barely anyone to the right of him.

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>>11384389

>see an innocent, adorable Asian qt3.14 posted
>image search
>follow them on instagram
>she posts videos about smoking
>has tattoos and a boyfriend
>unfollow
>repeat

>> No.11385117

>>11384404
If I wasn't in a house with like 9 people right now, I would vocaroo this in my most obnoxious stereotypical New York Jew voice.

>> No.11385119

>>11384389
i'd get her something to smoke on if you know what i mean
(im using "smoke" as a metaphor for fellatio, due to the fact it concerns the same fixations, which is to say oral and fulfillment of the death drive through libininally driven degrading of the psyche. in laymens terms, i am implying that i would allow her to give me a blowjob.)

>> No.11385121

welcome to /dg/ - discord general

>> No.11385122

>>11385110
Link please.

>> No.11385123

>>11385122
google it fag

>> No.11385124

>>11385117
Do it anyway. It'll make the thread worth it.

>> No.11385125

>>11385117
i just took your idea and did it for myself for my own pleasure, VERY good results

>> No.11385128

>>11385123
fag it google

>> No.11385141

>>11385119
Excellent post. Made me understand the drives behind facist ideology

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>>11385144

>> No.11385160

>>11384389
I don't have anything fascist but:

Mencius Moldbug's A Gentle Introduction or Open Letter
Thomas Hobbes' Leviathan
Patriarcha by Robert Filmer
Edmund Burke's Reflections on the Revolution in France
Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn's Leftism: From de Sade and Marx to Hitler and Marcuse and his Liberty or Equality
Spengler's Decline of the West
Kissinger's Doctoral Thesis: A world restored; Metternich, Castlereagh and the problems of peace, 1812-22

The political philosophy here contains the germs of far-right thought in it. In order to actually get to the far-right, your political framework needs to include an acknowledgement of race as being real, the importance of IQ, and the implications of that. There isn't really a book yet that synthesizes those three things together in a coherent way, the closest we've got is the Bell Curve. The Bell Curve has good data, and contrary to the opinion of some on this board it hasn't been "debunked", but the conclusions Murray draws focus less on racial differences and more on IQ differences. The only other person I've seen who makes half-cogent statements about race and its implications is Nietzsche in Beyond Good and Evil, but he of course lacks the data we currently have, and he's a bad writer. It's only a matter of time before someone writes an insightful political treatise on the connection between family units, race, culture, and the state, but it hasn't happened yet.

>> No.11385235

>>11385160
Still looking for Kissinger's undergrad thesis.

>> No.11385269

>>11385235
It's actually fucking impossible to find. You'll have to travel to Harvard to read it.

>> No.11385278

>>11385269
I bet someone here can get to Harvard and scan it.

>> No.11385281

>>11385278
There's a reddit thread or something out there were someone said they were gonna do that and upload the pdf online. That was two years ago. I'm not sure if they just never followed through or if there's some policy against it. I know it's stored in a microfilm so it'll be more complicated than just scanning it.

>> No.11385313

>>11385281
I just know that one anon here almost pulled it off so I think it can definitely be done.

>> No.11385321

>>11385019
I fell for the "Hitler was a retard meme" for years.
>The German schools, press, and comic books gradually created an image of the Englishman and his Empire, which was bound to lead to fatal self-deception. Everyone was gradually affected by this nonsense and the result was to underestimate our enemy; for that we paid dearly.
This is not nearly the ignorant bigoted blather that I led to believe. Whatever your bias happens to be, he makes some solid observations.

>> No.11385325

>>11385321
Sorry.
*was led

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>>11384457
>...the Jews achieved that miracle of inversion of values thanks to which life on earth has for a couple millennia acquired a new and dangerous fascination - their prophets fused "rich", "godless", "evil", "violent", "sensual" into one, and were the first to coin the word "world" as a term of infamy. It is this inversion of values (with which is involved the employment of the word for "poor" as a synonym for "holy" and "friend") that the significance of the Jewish people resides: With them, there begins the slave revolt in morals.

>> No.11385333

>>11385235
>>11385269
>>11385278

I dunno about undergrad output (probably more obscure), but I wanted Ted Kaczynski's doctoral thesis very badly for like a year and then one day an anon was like "dude if you want it that bad just order it off proquest", something I hadn't thought to check. Sure enough it was there and I wanted it that bad so boom, got it.

I have a little experience with actually tracking down and digesting such things, by now. Over the past few months, I've made trips to a local reading room where my estranged aunt's doctoral thesis is on deposit; read the thing over about four hours or so. This one reads like like an extended undergrad project with confused syntax in several places, but anyway I read the thing.

>> No.11385343

>>11385333
Someone said some of Kissinger's student work was on Proquest but I don't have access. I can maybe dig up that thread and post those links here and see if anyone wants to go to the trouble of buying it or getting access through an institution.

>> No.11385395

>>11385333
Reposting what I found in another thread for you or anyone else who might be interested in getting a copy for /lit/.
https://askarc.hul.harvard.edu/faq/195752
You should be able to order a copy of the honors thesis, (instructions in that first link) or possibly even access it online (I'm not in the US, but it's marked "No pubic access" [sic]). Link here: http://id.lib.harvard.edu/aleph/003744013/catalog
The process should be the same for the Ph.D. thesis, except that it doesn't seem to be online. Link: http://id.lib.harvard.edu/aleph/003879621/catalog
If any anons have ProQuest Dissertations & Theses it's also on there. Finally, both should be accessible to anyone who physically walks into the Harvard library.

>> No.11385397

more like henry kissniggers

>> No.11385419

>>11385397
based

>> No.11385431

>>11384797
It's impossible to be apolitical as a philosophy as your ideas will influenced politics and have a direct correlation to how a world will be run according to them. Of course he would of despised much of fascism, but much the same can be said for Marx with the result of communism, Nietzsche's ideas were for the most part, fascist in nature. He undoubtedly though was on the far right.

>> No.11385435

>>11385321
He was. He was always in the way of people more competent than him or had them killed.

>> No.11385439

>good
>fascist
>literature

Pick one.

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>>11385439

>> No.11385443

>>11385439
But I picked them all. The first hurdle to intellectual maturity is realizing that your opponent isn't an idiot simply for disagreeing with you

Buttblasted ideologues out out out.

>> No.11385449

>>11385439
>dies of aids being a revolutionary leftist Frenchy
So this is the power...of leftists..

>> No.11385451

>>11384529
>implying trumps election is bad for the left
Nick Land is good

>> No.11385452

>>11385443
>The first hurdle to intellectual maturity is realizing that your opponent isn't an idiot simply for disagreeing with you

You're absolutely right. My opponent isn't an idiot for disagreeing with me.
My opponent is an idiot for buying into Russian propaganda. Who do you think has been pushing the whole white nationalist agenda on the world stage?

>> No.11385456

My diary desu

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>>11385452
OH NO NO NO ITS ONE OF THOSE RUSSIAN CONSPIRACY NUTS BWHAHAHHAHA

>> No.11385461

>>11385458
t. Ivan Ivanoff Ivanovich

>> No.11385462

>>11385461
t. Rabbi Schlomo Shekelstein

>> No.11385465

trolling used to be an art, now any hack can spend fifty seconds typing out a post on any board and get fifty replies from underage users in minutes

>> No.11385466

>>11385452
>Who do you think has been pushing the whole white nationalist agenda on the world stage?
Probably not Russia considering their military is racially integrated and they have more pressing matters than some overly complex psyops on Americans so they can conquer the world

>> No.11385467

>>11385461
dude like putin isn't just an egoist oligarch using nationalism and religion for his own end HES REALLY A SECRET FASCIST USING GLUMPF AND RACISTS TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD

>> No.11385475

>>11385467
>>11385466
>Russia is a good boy who dindu nuffin
>there is no fifth column
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics

It's literally in the Russian playbook you ignorant tards.

>> No.11385477

>>11385465
>trolling use to be an art
>an

>> No.11385478

>>11385435
>He was
Then address the quote.

>> No.11385479

>>11385475
woah.... you mean countries manipulate and use each other???? america would never do such a thing

>> No.11385481

>>11385477
trolled hard

>> No.11385482

>>11385479
>whataboutism
>deflection
>completely ignoring the merits of the argument
So how is the weather this time of year, Ivan?

>> No.11385484

imagine being so new and underage that you get trolled by this guy for hours on end

>> No.11385487

>>11385431
>much the same can be said for Marx with the result of communism
If you look at Marx's bio then it becomes apparent that Marxism did not fall far from the tree.

>> No.11385488

>>11385482
damn..... is dugin the secret fascist controlling russia?

>> No.11385493

>>11385487
Neither did fascism, other then Nietzsche's hatred of accepting established norms and collectivism, but that's exactly what would happen if a person followed his philosophy, they would establish their own norms and will on people.

>> No.11385497

>>11385488
First you guys were saying that Russia was not acting maliciously at all and I'm a nutty conspiracy theorist.

Then when I provided evidence of Russia's malicious activities, you changed your argument and instead deflected with whataboutism and this whole "hurr durr all countries are bad so nobody is actually bad" argument.

Now you're going back to this childish sarcasm in the hopes of undermining me by painting me as some idealistic yuppie.

Do you have a single argument based on merit, or are you just here to troll?

>> No.11385504

>>11385497
>reddit spacing
>russia nutjob
come on dude there's no need for this on /lit/, you could get so many more (you)'s on /pol/

>> No.11385507

>>11385504
he's probably OP trying to drum up notoriety for his thread to be honest

>> No.11385509

>>11385497
Legit name one bad thing Russia is doing

>> No.11385510

>>11385497
>First you guys were saying that Russia was not acting maliciously at all and I'm a nutty conspiracy theorist.

Because Russian is not the mover behind the rise of nationalism and racism, it's an organic reaction caused by neoliberalism and fanatically leftist values, Russian barely has any sway in western culture.

>Then when I provided evidence of Russia's malicious activities, you changed your argument and instead deflected with whataboutism and this whole "hurr durr all countries are bad so nobody is actually bad" argument.

Because every country does it, the US has far more influence and is more effective than Russian at sabotage and infiltration. Using your logic, Russia is only doing what it does due to the US influence.


>Now you're going back to this childish sarcasm in the hopes of undermining me by painting me as some idealistic yuppie.

Correct you are a flaming phaggot.

>Do you have a single argument based on merit, or are you just here to troll?

I'm both.

>> No.11385511

>>11385509
HURR DURR THEY ARE MEETING UP WITH DRUMFFF SOON!

>> No.11385513

>>11385504
>ignoring the merit of the argument
>focusing on insignificant details related to my writing habits
Well that answers my question. You're here to troll.

>> No.11385517

>>11385511
Actually curious I'm not American so I don't deal with Russia vs America stuff, would like to know a genuine reason

>> No.11385519

Since this thread is getting blown up I want to direct anyone new to this post >>11385395 in the hopes that someone might be able to get a copy Kissinger's undergrad thesis for us.

>> No.11385520

>>11385509
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics
>>11385510
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics

I'm just going to leave this here. You guys need to educate yourselves.

>> No.11385522

>>11384404
>right wingers literally seething with no arguments

>> No.11385523

>>11385520
Jus read da wiki guyzzzzz!

>> No.11385532
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>>11385513
Says the guy here to troll. You seriously need to go back.

>> No.11385533

>>11385520
>literally reposts the same link after getting debunked

sad!

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11385534

>>11385523
>>11385532

>> No.11385537

>>11385533
>debunked
>literally all of my arguments met with whataboutism and deflection while completely ignoring all of the facts
>debunked

Yeah, no. There's no need to come up with new arguments when the original argument stands strong.

>> No.11385539

>>11385534
Looks like one of the stars your mom says she gives you after you do your chores. She told me all about it last night.

>> No.11385541

>>11385520
>wikipedia

>> No.11385544

>>11385537
see
>>11385510
You couldn't seem to debunk this. Guess you're just dumb! Sorry!

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>>11385537
Because the link to a wikipedia page about a book written by a political theorist is a strong argument .

>> No.11385548

>>11384562
I can see your mouth foam through the screen.

>> No.11385550

Someone please include me in whatever screencaps come of this thread.

>> No.11385551

>>11385544
What is there to debunk? All he did was repeat what the guy before him said, with slightly different wording.

>Russia didn't do anything wrong
>Even if Russia did something wrong, everyone else does bad things too
>throwing in a "you're a flaming faggot" for good measure
Tell me what there is to debunk? It's childish nonsense.

>>11385545
>ignoring the fact that most of the things touched upon in the book are things that are currently already happening, or have been successfully carried out by Russia

You're right guy, I guess reality isn't real unless I get a Harvard Professor to sign off on it.

>> No.11385553

>>11385520
>here's a book about x bro
>doesn't explain actual real things that have happened or what Russia has done
Wow convinced me

>> No.11385557 [DELETED] 

>>11385551
It wasn't a different guy, he's samefagging.

>> No.11385560

Looks like butterfly learned more people will take the bait when she doesn't use her tripfag ID.

>> No.11385561

>>11384421
Nietzsche was the biggest influence to postmodernism, might want to get him off that list

>> No.11385562

>>11385551
>First you guys were saying that Russia was not acting maliciously at all and I'm a nutty conspiracy theorist.

Because Russian is not the mover behind the rise of nationalism and racism, it's an organic reaction caused by neoliberalism and fanatically leftist values, Russian barely has any sway in western culture.

>Then when I provided evidence of Russia's malicious activities, you changed your argument and instead deflected with whataboutism and this whole "hurr durr all countries are bad so nobody is actually bad" argument.

Because every country does it, the US has far more influence and is more effective than Russian at sabotage and infiltration. Using your logic, Russia is only doing what it does due to the US influence.

>Now you're going back to this childish sarcasm in the hopes of undermining me by painting me as some idealistic yuppie.

Correct you are a flaming phaggot.

>Do you have a single argument based on merit, or are you just here to troll?

I'm both.

Explained fairly clearly.

>> No.11385563

>>11385550
who'd screenie some boring schizo replying to himself for a hundred posts

>> No.11385565

Can someone please explain actual events and situations in which Russia deserved boogeyman status?

>> No.11385566

>>11385561
They only twisted his ideas of the Ubermensch creating his own meaning into "question every thing dude" which worked as a great way to destroy a culture and society.

>> No.11385568

>>11385565
Nah. Russia Derangement Syndrome is really powerful. Kek.

>> No.11385569

>>11385565
>can you guys please spoonfeed me everything because I don't want to actually educate myself
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics

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>>11385569
>Look mom I linked the wikipedia page again!

>> No.11385574

>>11385562
>I'm a troll
Great, thanks for clearing things up!

>> No.11385576

>>11385569
The fact that your argument seems to be that I have to read a book, instead of being able to say
>Russia is bad because they execute cute girls
Just shows there is clearly nothing of which you can reference. At least when people say Hitler/stalin/mao/pol pot or anyone is bad they can explain it without just linking a fucking wiki article of a book

>> No.11385578

>>11385565
It's an oligarchy skimming of the Russian people using things like nationalism and religion for it's own gain. They encourage destabilizing regions like the US and Europe, to further their own power, but it's nothing to the level the assblasted left have using it too. Terrible scapegoat.

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11385583

This thread is starting to look like a Louise Mensch fever dream.

>> No.11385586

>>11385566
t.only knows Nietzsche from memes and wikipedia entry

>"What, then, is truth? A mobile army of metaphors, metonyms, and anthropomorphisms —in short, a sum of human relations which have been enhanced, transposed, and embellished poetically and rhetorically, and which after long use seem firm, canonical, and obligatory to a people: truths
are illusions about which one has forgotten that this is what they are; metaphors which are worn out and without sensuous power; coins which have lost their pictures and now matter only as metal, no longer as coins."

Sounds familiar? it's exactly the kind of criticism of so called "metanarratives" that postmodernists provided.

>> No.11385587

>>11385578
Wow, no other country in the world treats its citizens as cogs in its own machine and uses religion/nationalism/liberalism for the same end

>> No.11385589

>>11385576
Nigger the article literally has bullet points for what Russia is doing.

If you need me to spell everything out for you word for word, then you are beyond hope. Think for your fucking self. I gave you the bread crumbs, now follow the trail.

If I could summarize everything Russia has done, I'd have to post a goddamn novel on /lit/, instead I'm giving you a reference point to start from. If you can't even take the 5 minutes it takes to gloss over the article, then you're not worth my time or effort.

>> No.11385590

>>11385589
>If you can't do my work for me then you are a dum dum!

>> No.11385592

>>11385590
I gave you all the info in a neat little article. It's up to you to read it.
I'm not doing your homework for you.

>> No.11385595
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11385595

>this thread
>mfw I literally work for the government in foreign intelligence

You guys want to know the actual truth? The ACTUAL actual truth?

1. Russia has ZERO political influence outside of Eastern Europe. This isn't the soviet era. That guy posting wikipedia (lol) links can keep throwing a hissy fit all he likes, he'll never change reality. We're the ones pushing the "Russia is behind everything" propaganda. You want my opinion? I don't think anyone believes it either. Some retards out there are so emotionally attached to the media that they will echo whatever the talking heads on TV tell them, even if they know damn well it's a lie.

2. Hitler WAS a fucking retard. He was a socialist faggot funded by jewish bankers, surrounded by jews, and was a jew himself. Most of his rhetoric was him saying whatever he needed to say to get elected. He wasn't "fighting to save the white race", he was just a stupid bastard who wanted to rule the world. The part that everyone gets wrong though? The western allies were no different. WWII was nothing more than political chess to see who would rule the geopolitical order in the aftermath of the war. 200-some MILLION people dead, so that a bunch of bankers could rule over earth. Look up who funded ALL sides involved including the soviets and the asians. The fact that you gullible rubes romanticize anything about that shit tier war just shows how gullible and easily controlled you are.

3. Fascism sucks. And we know it. Which is why we push it as the only alternative to cultural marxism (which is closer to literal fascism than national socialism ever was). There's a lot of shit the government doesn't want you to believe or to advocate for. They push shit that they consider harmless to themselves and tell you that it's "opposition" to make you think you're "fighting against the jews" (lol) or whatever when you're really just being herded like a bunch of stupid sheep. Everyone from Alex Jones to Evalion from YouTube are puppets set up by shady motherfuckers to get you retards believing in the "alt-right" (lol again) instead of something that could actually threaten the elites.

4. /pol/ is mostly a role-playing board. Most of the posters aren't even white. Don't think ANYTHING on there is meant to be taken seriously. A LOT of it is outright leftwing propaganda disguised as "le red-pills" (FUCKING LOL).

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>>11385595
>I literally work for the government in foreign intelligence
Does your dad also work for Nintendo?

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11385598

>>11385595
>tp
>I literally work for the government in foreign intelligence

>> No.11385599

>>11384389
Who is this bitch?

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>>11385597
YES AND THE POSTER'S NAME IS IAN AND HE LIKES VIDYA GAMES

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>>11385595
>hitler
>funded by jewish bankers
>surrounded by jews, and was a jew himself

>> No.11385602

>>11385597
nigga 200,000 people work for the cia ALONE

whether they're telling the truth or not, that shit isn't even uncommon

>> No.11385604

>>11385592
Our homework of making an argument for you since you appear to be to lazy to do more than post wikipedia links?

>> No.11385605

Q PREDICED THIS

>> No.11385609

>>11384389
That erotic fiction story where I cream inside her minge repeatedly and we breed a new pan-Eurasian master race - the Return of the Golden Horde.

>> No.11385615

>>11385605
The greatest LARP of all time, where nothing of actual significance ever happens

>> No.11385617

>>11385609
>her

Dohoho.

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>>11385609
Go to bed Papa Dugin.

>> No.11385624

>>11385604
>college professor gives you an assignment to read
>anon doesn't read the assignment, wonders why nobody wants to give him the answers
>fails his exams

hurr durr y u no make argument 4 me???

>> No.11385625

>>11385595
>I literally work for the government in foreign intelligence
I don't believe you but the rest of your post is actually pretty spot on.

>> No.11385632

>>11385624
>Wikipedia article is equivalent of something a college professor would hand out
>Thinks you are some sort of professor telling people what to read.
>You wonder why you get called out when you just assert something without proper argumentation and then blame us.
HAHA this shit is rich.

>> No.11385635

>>11385624
Not the guy you're talking to, but if you unironically reply with wikipedia articles when asked to give a proper argument in the literature board of all places, you should strongly consider suicide

>> No.11385640

Literally anything written before 20th century would be considered far right and fascist.

>> No.11385642

>>11385640
what

>> No.11385653

>>11385624
>professor what is the topic this week
>hands out sheets of paper with a link on them
>just read this I'm not going to explain it for you
Or even worse
>why is X the case
>here's a link bro it'll explain it
>but I'm here having a discussion with you, are you able to defend your belief and explain why x is the case since you are trying to convince me of it?
>nah just read the link

>> No.11385656

>>11385640
WE

>> No.11385657

>>11385656
LIVE IN A SOCIETY

>> No.11385659

>>11385656
WUZ

>> No.11385660

>>11385659
PROTO-FASCIST SCHOLARZ N SHIET

>> No.11385663

>>11385659
21 YEAR OLD BOOMERS WHO READ LACAN AND FOUCAULT

>> No.11385693

>>11385635
this

>> No.11385769
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11385769

>>11384404

>> No.11385775

>>11384430
That’s right, fellow gomrade. If Neechee we’re alive today he’d be a Berniebro like us.

>> No.11385781

>>11384469
Why do all Redditfags write in the same uppity white schoolgirl way? Not to mention accusing others of what you yourselves are doing. Everybody knows you fags organise in your faggy discords to shit up threads you deem problematic.

>> No.11385787

>>11384574
Simply not true. Both sides are fucking furious

>> No.11385788

>>11384577
Thanks for not making me write out your post.

>> No.11385801

>>11385439
You can't pick good literature?

>> No.11385836

>>11384468
One could say that is their culture. A culture... of critique.

>> No.11385854

>>11384457
>a very fascistic type of thinking
You sound like you suck cock

>> No.11385858

>>11384562
*SNAP*

>> No.11385865

>ctrl-f mishima
Mishima.

>> No.11385877

>>11384529
Which election?

>> No.11385895

>>11384397
Traditionalism isn't fascist or related to "far right" politics. Except maybe for Evola, but he isn't taken very seriously be scholarly traditionalists.

>> No.11385901

>>11385099
He was also open to racemixing and condemned the nationalism around him. He was hardly right-wing by most people's standards.

>> No.11385983

>>11384389
There is none. Fascism is irrelevant.

>> No.11385986

>>11385836
Kek

>> No.11385998

>>11385895
Evola is probably the biggest meme pushed on this ite.

>> No.11386025

I have a suspicion that there isn't any good fascist literature. As it's such an incoherent and weird idealogy.
Anyone have any literature reviews on the topic? I would like to read some right wing literature (I don't expect it to be good) but I want to know about the books content rather than some alt-right dummo just name dropping a bunch of books.

>> No.11386031

>>11385983
Fascism is alive and well in America, how is it not relevant?

>> No.11386037

>2018
>still left vs right
third way? anarchism? egoism? primitivism? transhumanism?
be creative tards

>> No.11386055

Can both sides agree that demsocs are fucking fags right?

>> No.11386072

>>11386055
Demsocs are chemo, I have no idea what you're talking about

>> No.11386097

>>11385110
>innocent, adorable

how, exactly?

>> No.11386150

>>11386037
cant escape hegel no matter how hard you squirm

>> No.11386153

>>11386150
pretty sure if you were turbo autismo you would have no opinion on anything and your brain would just be duhhhhhrr

>> No.11386324

>>11385117
PLEASE give us the vocaroo

>> No.11386329

>>11384457
>He heavily influenced fascist thought.
Exactly. That does not make him fascist you idiot.

>> No.11386434

>>11384397
What a dummy.

>> No.11386498

>>11385769
Paranoia

>> No.11386506

>>11384404
Most of it can be classified as garbage like that, yes. But saying there's "no such thing" is bullshit. Nietzsche is a great source for that; see >>11384517 for just a small example why.

>> No.11386521

Slightly related but where did the term "state capitalism" come from? It's a contradiction in terms yet I see a lot of people on the left using it which makes me believe it's for rhetorical purposes to paint capitalism as fascistic.

>> No.11386539

>>11385522
There was never an argument to begin with. Let me give you the left wing's equivalent
>Muh structural inequality, fucking reactionaries getting in the way of muh egalitarian paradise. A post scarcity scenario is right around the corner (says increasingly nervous man for over 200 years). The only thing wrong about communism is authoritarian communism

It's just a list of strawmen

>> No.11386545

>>11386521
State capitalism, as I understand it, refers to the idea that the state runs businesses for profit in order to provide for the people, in addition to providing typical governmental services drawn from taxes (roads, schools, etc)

>> No.11386562

>>11386545
Yeah it seems to describe fascist economics. It's the antithesis of laissez-faire so I don't know why people insist on calling it a form of capitalism.

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This is on my reading list because I heard it's really good.

>> No.11386693

>>11384494

Wouldn't De Maistre be also included in there?

>> No.11386736

>>11386521
leftists need an excuse for why all the deadly socialist regimes of the 20th century weren’t reel socializum

>> No.11386805

>>11386736
This

>> No.11386836

>>11386521
>>11386736
You're idiots. State capitalism is when the state owns the means of production. Are you too thick to understand this concept?

>> No.11386853

>>11386836
Not them but sounds pretty socialist to me

>> No.11386882

>>11386836
>State capitalism is when the state owns the means of production

I agree so why are you calling me an idiot? Fascism is a form of socialism so it doesn't make any sense to call it "state capitalism" since capitalism is a system of private ownership with minimal state interference.

>> No.11386950

>>11386882
>Fascism is a form of socialism
How was Nazi Germany not also part state capitalism? Sure the confiscation/seizure/nationalisation/whatever (as in belonging to the nation-state) of private property was partly what gave the national socialists their name, but in cases where property was acquired, factories were nationalised, and the goods exported, e.g. arms, how's that not state capitalism? The capitalism here isn't on individual, personal level, it's the state acting as if it were a person.

>> No.11386993

>>11386950
Government intervention, either through direct control or through state sanctioned monopolies cannot be called capitalist by definition. Socialism is defined as the centralized distribution of scarce resources with alternative uses. By 1942 the German government directly controlled over half the economy with the other half being licensed or controlled indirectly since the government still decided what can be produced and by who and in what quantity by giving whoever they choose monopoly rights. The entirety of their resources were distributed by a centralized authority--the government, and this what makes them socialist. That they recognized international markets only means they weren't socialist of the Marxist variety.

>> No.11386998

>>11384404

I think Hitler was bad - not radical enough to fight mongoloids, pointlessly lenient with his allies, pointless racial ideology with awful execution.

>> No.11387045

>>11386521
>>11386562
>>11386736
>>11386882
State capitalism is when the state owns the means of production, as the other guy said.

>Fascism is a form of socialism
Not at all. Where does this even come from? Fascism is not concerned with social equality one bit. Why do you think leftists hate on fascism to begin with.

You may be thinking anything to do with state is communist or anything to do with less state is capitalist, that's why you think they are contradictory, but that's not the case. Even in the most red commie regimes we've seen, money was still the most relevant matter and being with or without influence of a state on how this capital is distributed doesn't make it less about capital.

>> No.11387050

>>11386521
Are you brazillian by any chance?

>> No.11387075

>>11387045
It's honestly baffling how mixed up you guys are on economics. Socialism isn't defined by "social equality," that's so stupid. Economics is about resource distribution and social policy. Laissez-faire literally means "hands off" so when the government goes "hands on" and begins distributing resources from centralized authority it can no longer be considered laissez-faire.

Socialism has always been defined as the centralized distribution of resources. It's only after people have seen how disastrous such policies are that socialists have tried to confuse the issue and rebrand themselves as social crusaders but the economics are completely unchanged.

>> No.11387080

>>11387075
>Economics is about resource distribution and social policy.

*and not about social policy

>> No.11387115

>>11386993
So they were part state capitalists as I described them, whatever handbook or dictionary definition you're referring to is besides the point. There's apparently a strict and universally acknowledged socialism, but then suddenly there's a Marxist variety, but there's totally only just one conceivable notion of capitalism? Okay.

>> No.11387134

>>11387075
Maybe poor choice of words on my part, but by "social equality" I meant exactly the distribution of resources you are talking about. Beause to centralize that distribution is not enough to qualify it as socialist if there is no ideal on making this distribution more fair on everyone, regardless if it succeeds in doing so or if it merely says so at face value.

The Nazis were far from being socialists in that regard, even if they were "hands on" the distribution of resources. I totally agree with the rebranding of socialism as you put it, but the right has also been through a rebranding of those terms to make anything not totally laissez-faire as basically Stalin incarnate. It's an easy way to put every authoritarian regime on the left side, when that's not the case.

>> No.11387139

>>11387115
The point I'm making is that "state capitalism" is a nonsensical term which in terms of economics means the exact same thing as "fascism." There is a universal form of socialism which is the centralized distribution of resources and it comes in many varieties with fascism being one of them.

>> No.11387156

>>11387134
Equality of resource distribution is not intrinsic to socialism. You could argue that it's an intrinsic part of Marxism but not socialism itself as classically understood. Do you understand that socialism existed before Marx?

>> No.11387186

>>11384511
>>11384457
>>11384461
>>11384480
>>11384511
Only people who haven't read a word by Nietzsche can believe shit like this.

>> No.11387254

>>11387156
I personally don't know of any form of socialism that is not concerned with how to equally distribute resources.

>> No.11387258

>>11387254
I don't want to be a dick but I don't think you know much about the topic at all.

>> No.11387263

>>11387258
You're being sort of a dick, in spite of you not wanting to be. You could instead provide new information and arguments to help me know more about the topic.

>> No.11387269

>>11384574
He is right, though. Every response to his original comment has shown no signs of any critical thinking.

>> No.11387278

>>11387139
>implying universals
socialism is a universal in that it is more or less represented 'universally', i.e. around the globe, but only more or less, and hardly in a universally identical form. Another key word is intrinsic like anon used it here >>11387156.
I don't understand where you've gotten this romantic notion of universal socialism. Again here >>11387254 you don't seem to know what intrinsic means. You just countered the argument that there's nothing a priori socialist about resource distribution with an empirical statement. Again, even a Marxist, even the homeless mememan says that an ideology needs some kind of 'suture' to tie it to certain means like resource distribution. Where is it that you find an issue?

>> No.11387321

>>11387263
I can only do so much to help somebody who insists that socialism requires social equality because this ultimately denies that socialism as ever existed in the world.

>>11387278
I have no idea what you're talking about with universals. Socialism is defined as the centralized distribution of scarce resources with alternative uses and there many different ways that resources can be distributed by a centralized authority thus there are different types of socialism.

>> No.11387332

>>11387278
I'm >>11387254 but not the other anons you quoted. I know what intrisic means and I think equality of resource distribution is intrinsic to socialism. I can't go further into argument because I only know examples of such cases, I merely asked the other anon to go on more about it, provide examples of socialism that are not concern with it and so on. My original point was that it's not enough to just have the state to influence the distribution of resources to call it socialism, because that may or may not be attached to an idea of bringing the means of production to "the social", to the people, which I think is the essential factor of socialism. Just in the same way, there are some who call themselves socialists or left-leaning without the state like some anarchists.

>> No.11387353

>>11387332
>provide examples of socialism that are not concern with it and so on.

If that's all you want then you could look at any socialist government in practice. Russia, China, North Korea, Venezula, Mexico, Wartime USA and Britain, whoever. None of them were concerned with equality and all of them were socialist.

>> No.11387380

>>11387321
basic
>>11387332
okay I'm sorry, I figured your post was related.

>> No.11387392

>>11387321
>I can only do so much to help somebody who insists that socialism requires social equality because this ultimately denies that socialism as ever existed in the world.
No, I think you can do more. You talked with a lot confidence about how I know very little about it and it only takes a few key presses to tell me of examples to counter what I said. Perhaps I'm a helpless ignorant, but I'm willing to listen, therefore don't wash your hands just yet.

There have been attempts of socialism and degrees of socialism, as much as none of such attempts really departed or has shown a true alternative to the capitalist market. None of them actually made the resources social. In this sense, it exists, but it never really is what it says it is. Just as with capitalism, which has never existed as a pure entity, totally ruled by the capital and in fact clashes all the time with states, with inner problems and so on. None of these terms simply exist, no wonder we call it left and right. Left and right are directions, not places, you are never "in the right" as it is, only in relation to something else.

>> No.11387395

>>11384389
how do I get gf like this?

>> No.11387404

>>11387353
Don't confuse being concerned with equality with being in fact equal. Even the socialist regimes, as faulty and authoritarian as they are, base themselves on a premise of being there for everyone instead of being for some.

>> No.11387447

>>11387404
No, they base their themselves on the 'people', on socialist subjects, but the regime defines those people

>> No.11387496 [DELETED] 

>>11385117
>>11384404
https://clyp.it/1plml1ek

t. jew

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>>11384404

>> No.11387541

>>11384494
>>11384500
>>11386693
Carlyle Spengler and de Maistre are all fixed monarchists, they dont fit into the "far right" paradigm as we understand it anymore.

>> No.11387566

>>11387447
Yes, that's a problem and why they are not effectively social, but even if it is merely an official definition which is unfair in real life, it is different from other cases. Nazism didn't even pretend, it was for the aryans and not for everyone. They were also not annexing other territory and people so that they would equally share the rights under the regime, whereas the socialist countries if they wanted to expand was so that others could join under the same conditions of their workers.

>> No.11387585
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11387585

>>11384389

Ezra Pound

>> No.11387624

>>11387392
>>11387404
Socialism is defined as the centralized distribution of resources. That is what it means to be socialist. You have disagreed with this and insist that socialism is actually defined as the centralized distribution plus social equality. This is a useless way to define socialism because social equality has never existed and it probably never will making the definition an obfuscation because if social equality was essential then socialism has never existed.

The centralized distribution of resources cannot be considered "free market" merely because the government doing the distributing doesn't care about social classes. You've repeatedly asked for an example a socialist government that didn't care so much about equality then consider very country we're talking about, Nazi Germany. In words they certainly cared about the "every man" and making everybody equal but in practice they didn't because it's impractical. You're conflating the Marxist notion of a classless society with socialism because you're hopelessly confused by communist rhetoric.

>> No.11387757

>>11384397
>fascist

>> No.11387774
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11387774

>>11385146
>Luther
>Devi
>Rosenberg
>those fake ass Table Talks
>no Hitler speeches
>all this americano stuff

Truly shameful.

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>>11384389
History of United States desu

>> No.11388111

>>11384389
Goodnight Moon
The Very Hungry Caterpillar
Winnie the Pooh
Matilda

>> No.11388131

>>11388111
Kek, trips don't lie

>> No.11388272

>>11385091
cute bjork :)

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Yeah I got you OP

>> No.11388344

>>11388338
dead meme

>> No.11388421

>>11386562
State capitalism is one form of an economic system that fascism uses, it also uses corporatism.

>> No.11388488

>>11388421
What are the differences between state capitalism, fascism, and corporatism? I don't think there are any.

>> No.11388550

>>11386539
>whataboutism
Like I said, seething with no arguments

>> No.11388577

>>11385235
>>11385269
>>11385278
>>11385281
>>11385313
>>11385333
>>11385343
>>11385395
What is Kissinger's undergrad about, and what does it have to do with fascism?

>> No.11388580

>>11388550
>Using a made up buzzword to shutdown arguments and criticism.

>> No.11388594

>>11388580
>being such a brainlet that you willfully refuse to understand what whataboutism is to shutdown arguments and criticism

>> No.11388619

>>11388488
State capitalism and corporatism are economic systems. Fascism itself is an ideology that goes behind mere economics. State capitalism is something similar to China's economic system, markets and trade heavily interfered with by the government to go the direction they want the economy to go (it's why China is growing so fast). Corporatism not to be confused with corporatocracy (which happens a lot) is the system where corporations dominate the market and at the bidding of the government, while corporatocracy is the opposite where corporations dominate the market and the government is at the bidding of them (basically what's happening in the US and the rest of the West). Fascism itself is a kind of "spiritual nationalism", trenched in the irrationality of romanticism, to unite the people under one sacred union of state/nation/race often all three, and that through their will they can become a superhuman the epitome of masculinity, courage and violence - action and defy what would be considered impossible by rationalists (they use rationalism efficiently simply to this end goal). These core ideas then spur many of the elements that most people associate with fascism; a collective united nation, social conservatism, religious archetype and ritual, martial law, cult of the leader, dictatorship, ultra masculinity, limited civil rights, socialistic aspects, racism, self sacrifice, ultra nationalism, militaristic etc

>> No.11388636

>>11388594
>Literally believes John 8:7 is whataboutism
>Literally believes Jesus Christ is a sophist rhetorician
>Literally believes the Gospels, and the Word of God are propaganda and sophistry, instead of truth

>> No.11388654

>>11388619
I don't know how you can be so confident talking such nonsense while being so verbose. You haven't defined anything with your mindless analogies. Like how the hell you call state capitalism and corporatism systems but for some reason fascism isn't. You can say there's non-economic aspects to fascism but to deny that fascism has distinct economic policies is ridiculous. I'm not going to bother digging through your entire post because just the thought of it is exhausting. Reading it was exhausting.

>> No.11388670

>>11388654
I mean fascism isn't just an economic system you absolute retard. It's more importantly philosophical, political and spiritual ideology. I just defined the economic systems employed by fascism and you asked the for the other aspects of fascism to be explained as well, so I did. You just seem angered that you can't understand a very thorough explanation.

>> No.11388698

>>11388670
In terms of economics, corporatism, state capitalism, and fascism prescribe the exact same economic policies which is why saying "fascism uses state capitalism" is nonsensical because they're the same thing. That is what you were saying so I asked you to explain the differences between state capitalism, fascism, and corporatism in the context of economics and for some reason you took this as an invitation to talk about spiritualism and whatever the fuck.

>> No.11388711

>>11388698
I explained the economic systems of fascism, as you asked, you also asked what's the difference as if state capitalism is synonymous with fascism, which it isn't. I then explained how they were different by defining fascism and explaining it's other aspects. If state capitalism and corporatism were exclusive to fascism, China can be considered fascist. You understand now?

>> No.11388730

Is it possible to remedy my desire to oppress all degenerates and my belief in anarchism?

>> No.11388744

>>11388730
Anarchism is retarded, specifically if you a will to power type guy. You can gain far more power through the state then through shooting, robbing and raping a few people here and there

>> No.11388745

>>11388711
In terms of economics, meaning we're only talking about economics, China is fascist. Do you understand what I'm saying? There is nothing economically that distinguishes fascism from state capitalism, fascism from corporatism, or corporatism from state capitalism. We can agree that there aspects of fascism which are not not economic and that do distinguish them from other systems of government but remember, we're talking about just economics.

If you disagree then explain the differences. This would involve defining what state capitalism, fascism, and corporatism mean economically which you haven't done. You've merely me a lot of "X is like Y" and "A is like B."

>> No.11388760

>>11385769
Those are literally the same three tactics the alt-right uses as well though

>> No.11388765

>>11388745
>In terms of economics, meaning we're only talking about economics, China is fascist.

No China is not fascist economically because state capitalism is not exclusive to fascism. Why do you find this so hard to understand? It is simply an economic system that fascism uses.


>There is nothing economically that distinguishes fascism from state capitalism, fascism from corporatism

That's because it is it's economic system they use, which should be called state capitalism, not just "fascist economics" because they aren't are not exclusive to fascism.

> or corporatism from state capitalism

state capitalism and corporatism are completely different you absolute retard. I explained this to you.

>We can agree that there aspects of fascism which are not not economic and that do distinguish them from other systems of government but remember, we're talking about just economics.

Yes, but that doesn't mean the economic systems of fascism, are exclusively fascist.

>If you disagree then explain the differences. This would involve defining what state capitalism, fascism, and corporatism mean economically which you haven't done.

I've explained the differences in that fascism is not just a pure economic system but uses an economic system that is not exclusive to it. It is not therefore "fascist economics". Anymore than state capitalism is "communist" economics because communist China uses them.

You seem to have some odd obsession with labeling an economic system as exclusive to a certain political system or ideology, instead of just calling it what it is.

>> No.11388767

>>11388744
True, I get frustrated at the futile and inane governments and citizens that imply power over people and just wish to be left alone (as I do not care about others) but I have been thinking maybe executing these retards is a shorter road to freedom

>> No.11388774

>>11388765
Yeah I'm not reading this because of the greentext. If you're not going to put effort into your posts there's no reason for me to.

>> No.11388783

>>11388767
If you don't care about others you shouldn't give a fuck that a state exists. Only what power you can gain from it, and you can gain far more from a state.

>> No.11388787

>>11388774
I isolated each point of you paragraph and gave a answer directly too it, you seem beyond help. I've been very polite to you and attempted to explain some things and you've sperged out at every bit as if I should be grateful for you asking me questions.

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>>11384389

Hnnghh, tfw you'll never get a slutty, bitchy-looking Asian girl.

>> No.11388800

>>11388787
I'm sure you did but I'll never know because I just don't read people when they do that shit. I don't want to encourage it because it's super lazy.

>> No.11388808

>>11388800
I thoroughly explained the economics of fascism and the distinction between it and other ideologies that employ it. You just can't seem to wrap you head around it and want to generalize everything as fascist, liberal or communist or whatever.

>> No.11388815

>>11388808
Do you want a pat on the head? I don't know why you keep telling me. If you want me to read it make your post presentable.

>> No.11388818

>>11388815
Because you don't take anything in and accuse the other person of acting in stupidity.

>> No.11388833

>>11388818
I haven't accused you of anything but laziness for greentexting.

>> No.11388843

>>11388833
You accused me of many things before that.

>> No.11388848

>>11388843
I'm sorry your feelings were hurt.

>> No.11388849

>>11388848
I forgive you.

>> No.11388860

>>11388849
Okay now that you're feelings are dealt with do you want to rewrite your post like a normal person?

>> No.11388862

>>11388860
I already have. You just can't understand it.

>> No.11388870

>>11388862
I agree. I can't understand what I don't read.

>> No.11388871

>>11388860
>>11388862

The astounding retardation of this conversation could only be seen on /lit/.

>> No.11388882

>>11388870
So you are incapable of reading?

>> No.11388887

>>11388882
I'm certainty not incapable as evidenced by my conversation with you. I'm typing and responding but as I said, I don't read posts when they greentext me because it's lazy. It's what stupid people do because they can't handle more than one point at a time.

>> No.11388903

>>11388871
you're just bitter b/c they're in love

>> No.11388905

>>11388887
>I don't read posts when they greentext me because it's lazy.

sounds like a lazy excuse
sad!

>> No.11388909

>>11388905
No I'm not lazy you're lazy. Good one!

>> No.11388912

>>11388909
No, you are lazy.

>> No.11388918

>>11388912
I actually agree. I could go above and beyond to make up for your deficiencies but I'm not willing to put in the work.

>> No.11388925

>>11388918
Pathetic really, you refuse to become big brained, like me.

>> No.11388930

>>11388925
Where the hell did that come from? You're just being random now because you feel compelled to get the last word in. That is pathetic.

>> No.11388946

>>11388930
shut the fuck up pond scum

>> No.11389041

>>11388577
Kant and a few other authors. Something in political philosophy a few of us have been working to uncover

>> No.11389093

>>11385595
>We're the ones pushing the "Russia is behind everything" propaganda.
Anyone with a brain knows this.
Russia didn't start being demonized by the media until they needed a scapegoat for Trump during the elections.

>> No.11389202

>>11389093
This. Also, new thread when?

>> No.11389256

NEW THREAD

>>11389253

>>11389253

>>11389253

NEW THREAD

>> No.11389375

>>11388577
Kissinger's undergrad is a history of philosophy that takes into consideration Tonybee, Spengler, and Kant. I haven't read it, but I imagine that he considers the various pros and cons of their alternative viewpoints, where Spengler views civilizations as organisms with lifespans that all function is similar morphological ways, where Tonybee views Civilizations as arising out of specific challenges presented to humanity and as following specific patterns, and where Kant views history as the march to greater liberty for individuals.

>> No.11389416

>>11387541
How can monarchism be anything but far-right?
>as we understand it anymore.
Dude... if people were concerned about what's fashionable at the moment they wouldn't be reading fucking fascist literature lmao