/lit/ - Literature

>>11375310
yes

>>11375310
Medieval because critical theory is pure garbage

>>11375320
why, please elaborate and make sense - I have to decide now

bump

i would drop out of university and get a real education on my own at the library

>you guys
>help us mine data, take our survey, tell me about your breakfast preferences, etc
You know what goes in the options field.

>>11375413
Shut it up

>>11375362
If you can't decide, it doesn't matter which you take.

>>11375310
medieval visionary literature by a country mile

Theory is often required because advanced courses assume you know basic theoretical ideas. If that seems relevant to you, take that. If you jus5 want a good class, take the Medieval one..

First one. Medieval literature is almost universally garbage. We don't call it the dark ages for nothing.

I think I’ll take crit lit cause I know nothing about it

>>11375310
Introduction to Critical Theory any day. The Alchemist is visionary literature lmao

Homer didn't need any critical theory to write the Odyssey, so it's deeply unnecessary. So is Medieval literature.

Therefore, choose the one that will give you the most pleasure. What do you prefer: pseudo-philosophical babble or beautiful works of poetry and prose?

>>11375413
>implying sage is a downvote

Here is the course description for the critical theory class!

and this is the teacher of the visionary literature class

>>11375310
Derrida is a chad

>>11375310
Critical theory is such a fucking joke. It's literally liberal indoctrination.
We had to have gender theory, race theory and Marxism shoved down our throats in addition to Freud pseudoscience bullshit and all because they say it helps to interpret texts better.
Literally nothing at all i was taught in that class was relevant or applied to anything.

>Homer didn't need any critical theory to write the Odyssey, so it's deeply unnecessary. So is Medieval literature.

Therefore, choose the one that will give you the most pleasure. What do you prefer: pseudo-philosophical babble or beautiful works of poetry and prose?

>>11377592
It had me until Lacan.

>>11377626
This can't be real

>>11377960
It is :’(

>>11375310
no I read books instead of "taking classes"

>>11375310
Both seems interesting, critical theory is both useful if you want too use it and criticize it.
Medieval Visionary Literature depends on if it's your thing.

you can learn basic theory in your own time. people like derrida, foucault, lyotard (?) are not respected in academia anymore; do not waste an option on them

>>11377626
>queer theorist uses theology

HOW THE FUCK IS THIS SO COMMON

>>11378253
do not take this class you idiot

>>11377626
>frames
>lens
>abstract geometry
>materialist metaphysics

As much as I admire the basic insights of post-modernism, I don't understand how anyone can take themselves seriously when applying theory that IN PRINCIPLE can't accomplish anything. There are no fixed meanings, so why go looking? Approaching some archane text through a po-mo lens and discovering that it can REVOLUTIONISE OUR CONCEPT OF IDENTITY is hardly fucking revolutionary at all--ITS THE ONLY FUCKING THING YOUR LENS CAN FIND. I'm so fucking glad I go to a conservative uni where this stuff gets only a passing mention.

>>11379608
this is not a useful argument per se. if everything is merely a construction, then everything is a construction, and can be judged based on different grounds (than a correspondence to 'truth' -- coherence? pragmatism?)

>>11379608
How do move on from pomo? What comes next?

>>11379640
What that anon means is that the "professor" went looking with identity theory in mind and found a new text about identity theory.
It's flawed because you are using a lense that will only yield information on the lense.

>>11379640
Coherence and pragmatism are just other forms of "truth"

>>11379726
>What comes next?
Nothing, you go back to the beginning.

>>11379732
But we can't throw away 2000+ years of philosophy because of pomo. Something ust come of it.

>>11379732
that's a very pomo position... there is such a thing as truth, but it's not constructed. that's a very important distinction. some things are necessarily true, whether you think it or not

>>11379752
We wouldn't be throwing it away. It's just about getting rid of this linear view of progress that something NEW has to follow po-mo.

>>11379770
So we should adopt a previous philosophy from the past however wrong, however built upon in the following years?
Why will that help us?

>>11379726
>How do move on from pomo? What comes next?

there are important lessons to be learned from pomo; deconstruction to an extent; narratology is particularly useful. But epistemologically, the major 'pomo' philopsophers like derrida and rorty were deeply flawed -- outright misleading -- so coming after 'pomo' involves recognizing the flaws and, in a way, i think, returning to more traditional methods (i'm thinking of literary criticism particularly; i'm not qualified to judge other fields).

>>11379550

this is untrue, with maybe the exception of Lyotard.

>>11377626
I was actually quite with him until he said that shit about identity - why are these fucks so egocentrical? I mean all they care about is persona.

>>11375310
I avoid anything "critical theory" related like the plague. That being said, Theological Philosophy is boring as hell.

>>11377626
Doubt this is real even for Western (((Universities)))

>>11380159
He’s not talking about his identity, but the philosophical concept of Identity. Identity is not equivalent to persona, read Frantz Fanon.

>>11377626
>>11380220
I stand corrected.

>>11380228
THIS SHIT IS SO BORING

WHY DONT THEY DO REAL WORK

>>11380256
Well, it's not only boring, it's mental poison. You cannot fake this for a longer period of time and stay normal. It is easy to fake but it's like becoming an Astrologist, your soul gets posioned.

>>11380228
What the actual fuck is going on at NYU??

I'm not an American so I always thought the Petersonites were exaggerating

>>11380336
This is madness

>>11380348
>>11380336
I wonder if Universities got these kind of wackos on the regular before they became just diploma mills. I mean, were they beaten off the marble porch in 19th century? They're all graduating in Logical Fallacy.

>>11380355
>in 19th century?
universities from the 19th century dont even remotely resemble modern schools. The normal curriculum was latin, greek, math and philosophy.

POWER GENDER QUEER INTERSECTIONALITY EXAMINES THEORIES wRittEN LIKE THIS PhDMALGBTQ-TIP POETRY DEALS PERFORMANCE RESEARCH CONTEMPORARY REASSESSMENT VOICES MAKE IT STOP

Anyway, they're an obvious MLM scheme. They leech off society and are each other's audience.

>>11380355
Would depend on the university. I reckon these kind of people would feel right at home in alchemical studies

>>11380348
See, this should get an insta-rejection because it's obviously a flawed Sociological research. The degenerate seemingly deals with Otherkin presence on the Internet - so far so good - but instead of making an objective analysis behind the unfortunates engaging in such digital practices, he attemps to mystify it and present it as some sort of 'magic' and 'folklore', which is obviously dishonest. I doubt he's even retarded, he just tries to legitimize his degeneracy rather than looking at it for what it is.

My point being that French philosophy is exactly like this. Whenever someone tells you that you have to actually read a cubic mile of Lacanian literature in order to be able to debate it, don't be afraid to point out you won't do anything of the sort because it's an obvious logical fallacy masquerading as argumentation.

If you're a brainlet then maybe reading about 'reseaching the theory of rain juxtaposed between real world fiction and the metacommunity of an abandoned phpbb discussion board' may seem like it talks about something but trust me, none of these people have anything to say.

>>11380336
I like it how disciplines are under quotation marks.

>>11380386
based

>>11379608
What uni

>>11375310
I'm taking Intro to Critical Theory this summer so if you take it we can hang out.

>>11375320
wtf I hate critical theory now

>>11380465
At NYU?

>>11380489
Yeah lol

>>11380501
With which teacher

>>11380459
Notre Dame

>>11380518
Moser

>>11380528
Oh, we might be in the same class - that’s so funny

>>11380528
So what’s your name by the way, so I know you when I see you

>>11380540
Dhruv - yours?

>>11375621
Retard

>>11380561
What if I just spring it on you in person - better that way, suppose we hate each other

>>11380580
Fair enough lol

>>11380336
You really don’t see how the histories of illness and homosexuality intersect?

>>11380228
I’ll concede this sounds better than the other one

>>11379791
>narratology
Literally the most flawed and naive approach

>French thinkers have irrevocably destroyed American and anglo academia with surgical precision that has left continental Europe mostly unscathed

God damn I love the french, this is your comeuppance for half a century of force-feeding McDonalds culture to the rest of the world.