/lit/ - Literature

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Arnon Grunberg - Tirza (writing style of him and Houellebecq is a bit similar)
Also, Mulisch is a pretentious fuck, avoid him

>>11369526
her diary desu

>>11369526
Soldier of Orange, both book and film are musts.

>>11369855
This. Mulisch is garbage. If you have to try any of his work at least don't go for Ontdekking van de Hemel.
Tim Krabbé is decent if you don't want anything heavy or long.

>>11369526
I haven't read much Dutch literature (unless you count Belgian literature), but Willem Frederik Hermans is amazing. Especially Nooit Meer Slapen.

>>11371150
This. Belgium should be fucking broken up.

>>11369865
noice

>>11371174
>t. retard

>>11371219
t. Belgianfag

Anything by Tim Krabbe

Start with The Golden Egg, it has a kino film adaption (the 1988 Dutch adaption won film of the year, there was an American remake a few years later but it was quite shit)

>>11371237
t. burger

>>11371263
t. Yuropoor

>>11369865

>Anne will never hear wails of a baby for the first time after enduring hours of excruciating pain laboring and pushing that leaves her too sick and exhausted to even sit up
>Anne will never cradle the newborn in her arms, filling her heart with a joy only a mother can feel
>Anne will never feel the sting of the teething infant biting down on her nipples while she feeds him, but have her discomfort instantly vanish watching the baby make a milky smile
>Anne will never hear her child's exuberant giggling as she tosses him up and down in the air on a bright summer day, with the scent of roses filling the air
>Anne will never softly encourage her firstborn to touch her belly and feel the little brother or sister growing inside of her
>Anne will never tuck her little babies into bed, kiss them goodnight, softly singing them lullabies in Dutch and Hebrew
>Anne will never comfort her child's nightmares by telling him how she survived living one for six long and awful years, but now that the world is a better place and he should not to be afraid
>Anne Frank will never be a MILF

feelsbadman

>>11369823
I thought it was written in French originally... no?

>>11369865
I actually read "her" diary in Dutch, and I can't believe it could possibly have been written by a 13 yo child. I think this shit is all made up. Her technique of story telling and detailed descriptions are often way too sophisticated and it looks like it has been written by a man actually. It was written by some of the Dutch writers active in the period right after the WW2 . OR it went through so much editing that it has nothing to do with the original manuscript. Mock me and call me Anna Frank truther but I do believe in it.

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>>11371939
In my opinion it’s not too complicated since it was just how people wrote correspondence then. Speech was also far more proper.

>>11369855
>posts 2 jews
cmon
also tirza was garbage

>>11371352
autist
>>11371939
retard

Simon Vestdijk
Hubert Lampo (tho he's Belgian IIRC)

>>11371958
BELCAMPO
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>>11369855
How is it possible for you to mention Mulisch and Grunberg in the same sentence? Grunberg is a whack writer, shitty prose, shitty substance, and besides this has written nothing but drivel for the newspapers.

>>11369526
Nearly everything by W.F. Hermans, "een nagelaten bekentenis" by Marcellus Emants is a very good read - very Dostoevskian. Another writer whose prose is flowy without sounding pretentious is Jan Arends, his short stories are entertaining, sometimes absurdist.

Also, the translations of the Russians (Gogol, Dostoevsky, Tolstoy, et al) by the publisher "van Oorschot" are to be recommended as well.

Vondel is quite exquisite

Read Reve, Nooteboom, some of Wieringa's stuff. Don't read Grunberg or Mulisch

Spinoza if you count him Dutch

>>11371239
This, Tim Krabbe is great, his stories are well structured and reflect on the concept of free will and determination. Read 'The Cave' after reading the Golden Egg, it is similarly structured.

>dude just read my 5000 page novel (in seven parts) about the minutiae of 30+ years of office drudgery lmao

Can someone cure me of my hatred for Dutch literature?
Everything I was forced to read in high school was counterculture 'sex and drugs lmao' shit or some unoriginal World War 2 story.
Everything feels so fucking whiny.

Reve is a great writer.

Hermans and Mulisch are both amazing writers who are seen as the classics of modern Dutch literature although a lot of people seem to dislike Mulisch for being a bit pretentious, which I think nobody can deny.

>>11372525
What books did you read in high school?

>>11372525
Yes, read the authors mentioned in this thread.
Als je zo verkrompen bent dat je je vaderlandse literatuur haat omdat je een keertje wat van de grote drie moest lezen, is dat je eigen zaak, maar duidt op niks anders dan onwetendheid.

>>11372543
Eens.

>>11372535
>Mulisch for being a bit pretentious, which I think nobody can deny.

Read "De Mulisch Mythe" and you'll understand why seeing him as pretentious is a skewed way of looking at his attitude towards the media/world. If it wasn't his attitude, could you enlighten me as to where in his books he exemplifies this alleged pretentiousness?

I’m only familiar with Claus and Nijhoff, both of which are very talented. Will dig through some of the recommendations in this thread.

>>11372546
I always felt that he was too busy showing his intellectual background in his books in ways such as referencing a lot of greek mythology and bible stories. Obviously there is nothing wrong with doing these things, especially not if it is helpful for the story or it gives an interesting or new perspective to a story, but I don't enjoy the way Mulisch does it personally.

An other reason for disliking him I've heard is that he seemed to talk about himself more than the average writer, but this is not something I really care about that much.

Also sorry for shitty English, It's obviously not my first language.

willem elsschot, jeroen brouwers and paul ostaijen

>>11372568
Well, it only becomes a problem (or discussion) once you aren't merely casting your personal opinion on his oeuvre, but try to say that he inherently was pretentious and reflected that in his writing. I don't think he did, nor that he was particularly self-infatuated. Nonetheless, I can understand why the near constant reference to history/symbols/mythology, etc, can be tiring at times.

>>11372537
Don't know all the names, but I read Het gouden ei, some book about a dude and his friend having a canoe trip in France; one about a guy getting sent to the Russian front during WW2; one about a guy making his own test tube babies; one about cheese; something about Protestant life; one with a kid getting terminally ill; and a lot more that I don't remember at the moment.

One of my teachers once mentioned something about a book that only takes place with one person in his own house, which sounded interesting, but I forgot what the name was.

>>11372537
>>11372543
Het spijt me dat jullie Nederlands zijn gaan studeren, maar het merendeel van de Nederlandse 'klassiekers' is gewoon ruk. Ik geloof best dat er ook goeie boeken zijn, maar daar moet je dus schijnbaar wel voor graven.

>>11372537
Don't know all the names, but I read Het gouden ei, some book about a dude and his friend having a canoe trip in France; one about a guy getting sent to the Russian front during WW2; one about a guy making his own test tube babies; one about cheese; something about Protestant life; one with a kid getting terminally ill; and a lot more that I don't remember at the moment.

One of my teachers once mentioned something about a book that only takes place with one person in his own house, which sounded interesting, but I forgot what the name was.

>>11372544
>>11372543
Het spijt me dat jullie Nederlands zijn gaan studeren, maar het merendeel van de Nederlandse 'klassiekers' is gewoon ruk. Ik geloof best dat er ook goeie boeken zijn, maar daar moet je dus schijnbaar wel voor graven.

>>11372629
Reis door mijn Kamer by Biesheuvel? That's a good book, you should check it out.

>>11372629
Dat je jouw ervaring gelijkstelt, of vergelijkt, met wat de Nederlandse literatuur te bieden heeft zegt wat mij betreft genoeg over jou als persoon. Graven is niet nodig, loop eens in van der Velde; dat zal al meer dan genoeg zijn. Bovendien hoef je geen neerlandicus te zijn om te zien dat de Nederlandse (en dus ook deels Vlaamse) literatuur groots is.

West-flemish literature or poetry that you should read

>guido gezelle
>stijn streuvels

>>11372672
I think that might be it.
Thanks, I will definitely check it out.

>>11372699
Je eerste contact werd gesierd door "verkrompen" en "onwetend". Misschien is wat introspectie wel op zijn plaats voordat je over mij als persoon gaat oordelen.

>>11372087
t. Rabbi

>>11372769
Ik denk persoonlijk dat jullie beide verkrompen en onwetend zijn. Ik denk ook dat ik verkrompen en onwetend ben.

>>11369526
Bordewijk. Some of the best dutch prose I've read. Succinct, precise. Also not overly sexual if you dislike that.

Everyone should read Karakter.

Mensen die hier klagen over hun leeslijst...

>>11371958
>>11372142

>>11372769
En het tegendeel is nog niet bewezen. Misschien doet het pijn en schiet je daarom in de verdediging, gezien het zeker verkrompen, onwetend en zelfs kleinzielig is om je oordeel te vellen over de hele Nederlandse literatuur omdat je "ooit iets op de middelbare moest lezen". Desalniettemin is het goed dat je hier om advies vraagt; lees de thread door als je zelf geen auteurs kunt vinden, desnoods kan je rondkijken op DBNL.

>>11372543
>>11372769
>>11372793
>>11372874
>'verkrompen'
Zijn jullie wel Nederlanders?

"Monstertrilogie" by Tom Lanoye, for those interested in understanding late 20th century Flanders/Belgium, "De Kappelkesbaan" by Boon to read the closest Dutch literature probably came to winning the Nobel prize, and "Ik, Jan Cremer" to cure you of the idea Dutch literature can't be rock n' roll as well.

>>11372908
>"Ik, Jan Cremer" to cure you of the idea Dutch literature can't be rock n' roll as well.
Stay away from Ik Jan Cremer 3 though.

>>11372898
Oops. Bekrompen*

Anyone read Gerbrand Bakker? Opinions?

Is there not a convenient meme chart for Dutch lit? I only read in English thus debilitating my ability to read/write in Dutch

>>11373523
Yes, leeslijst voor gymnasium.

>>11373634
Post het

https://www.lezenvoordelijst.nl/zoek-een-boek/nederlands-15-tm-19-jaar/niveau/6

Not bad

>>11371958
Behalve den man, die de Sarphatistraat de mooiste plek van Europa vond, heb ik nooit een wonderlijker kerel gekend dan den uitvreter. Den uitvreter, ...

>>11372826
Ja!

Top kino mijn turfstekers.
Only downside to Roosenboom is, read one book and you've read them all.

>>11374005
How did I pass gymnasium with a list of like 30 books without reading a single one of these?

>>11374287
Buiten de Randstad zeker

>>11369865


>be me
>me as a dirty little goyim baby
>Anne Frank calls me a little dirty goyim boy as she lays me down on changing table
>proceeds to unpin my diapers while commenting on the smell
>oy vey little boy
>she says
>tfw when you feel your private parts gets cleaned up with wipes, little goyim dick gets aroused as she hums to me in Hebrew
>tfw when she finishes cleaning you up and she lets you suckle on her Jewish boobs, even though I'm a goy.

>>11369865

But Anne was German...

>>11369526
There is none, all their books are at the bottom of the sea

>>11369526

Does Boer literature count?

>>11372087
>autist

Meanie

Hermans, Nescio and Bordewijk are Great. If you can only read one thing: read Nooit Meer Slapen.

Wolkers is fun and colourful, more than just the 'le artsy sex guy'

Mulisch I don't like that much, The Discovery of Heaven is worth reading though.

I have yet to read big works by Claus and Boons but they're supposedly Great too.

>>11375235
bait

>>11372874
Ik heb minstens 20 boeken gelezen die stuk voor stuk bij de top van Nederlandse literatuur zouden moeten horen. Hoeveel boeken moet ik lezen om een oordeel te mogen vellen?
Het spijt me dat Nederlandse literatuur zich in mijn ogen niet kan meten met andere landen en het spijt me dat jij dit ziet als een persoonlijke aanval.

>>11375557
>Mulisch I don't like that much, The Discovery of Heaven is worth reading though.
I thought this was a fun read, don't know why it's so highly rated though.

>>11374005
>Mystiek lichaam
Read this earlier this year, pretty good. Kellendonk was memeing on jews pretty hard.

>>11376415
Because eh maekes smarte analoggies and uses clever worden

>>11371352
redit tier meme

I know only 2. Nescio and Willem Frederik Hermans (The Dark Room of Damocles is a great novel)

>>11371958
yes!

>>11369526
>>11369526
Heeft iemand ook suggesties voor poëzie? Ik heb het gevoel alsof daar een grote leegte is in de Nederlandse literatuur.

>>11376859
Marsman, Vondel, Hooft, Van Elsschot, Komrij. Er zijn genoeg Nederlandse dichters, daar zit zeker geen gat.

>>11369865
WHEN YOU WERE YOUNG YOU WERE THE KING OF CARROT FLOWERS

>>11376859
Ik zou eerlijk gezegd zeggen dat de Nederlandse poëzie best goed is, laat staan wanneer je het met proza vergelijkt. Een lijstje met zeer verschillende dichters:
CO Jellema
Rutger Kopland (vergeet jonge sla en richt je op de latere bundels)
Toon Tellegen
Martinus Benders
Cees Nooteboom (wel erg cerebraal)
Levi Weemoedt
Marieke Rijneveld
Mark Boog
Arjen Duinker

>>11377169
back to /mu/ with that hipster shit

>>11377176
No

>>11377173
>>11377125
Bedankt!

begin met het lezen van Simon Vestdijk

>>11377792
De koperen tuin was wel ok, waar moet ik daarna heen?

>>11372535
I reread De Avonden and it was great. In middle school I thought it was just a book about repressed homosexuality. But it's really about this early twenties angst. It's this guy who's stuck developmentally and strugfling with himself and all his friends have gone on into careers. I laughed everytime he told one of his friends that they're balding.

What else by him is great?

>>11377853
>I reread De Avonden and it was great. In middle school I thought it was just a book about repressed homosexuality. But it's really about this early twenties angst. It's this guy who's stuck developmentally and strugfling with himself and all his friends have gone on into careers. I laughed everytime he told one of his friends that they're balding.
lol no it's about being autistic and fucking your toy bunny
*makes eating noises*

>>11376415
It's an easily to digest, fun to read, epic. The whole country read it when it came out. Personally I liked the autobiographical parts best, with Mulisch and his chess friend. All the allegorical shit (basicly the whole second half) wasn't that interesting. And as a whole, did it have any grander Meaning? No

Heeft iemand een epub van Mandarijnen op Zwavelzuur? Ik krijg ze nergens gevonden.

Mijn Hermans powerranking: NooitMeerSlapenl>DokaVDamo>BehoudenHuis>TranenDerAcacia's>>Onder Professoren
Wat moet ik nog lezen van m?

>>11378004
>Wat moet ik nog lezen van m?
Au Pair

>>11378004
Zijn ruzie met Adriaan van Dis op youtube is essential viewing

>>11376859
Slauerhoff

>>11378004
De reeks novellen die Hermans geschreven heeft zijn OK

>>11372305
my real life nigga

>>11377867
it is my diary desu

>>11378271
based

>>11369526
Dichtertje, Titaantjes, de Uitvreter by Nescio.

Released translated in English as 'Amsterdam Stories'.

Wie zijn de grootste Nederlandse literaire racisten? Types als Celine bestaan die in de Nederlandse literatuur? Of was de reactionaire Apartheid steunende WF Hermans de meest getalente edgelord in de polder?

>>11378144
'Dit is geen vraaggesprek, dit is een vertelgesprek!'

Goeie draad

>>11378683
Google Reve maar eens

>>11378683

>>11377176
>hipster
lmoa

>>11369526
any novel in which the Germans requisition Dutch bicycles

>>11369526
Bint is the best book the world has ever produced

>>11380145
Fucking kkr Kike

> Open grenzen betekent dat men kan komen en weggaan
> weggaan

Ja ok (((GrunBERG)))

Dood me gwn ptn

>>11369526

I have 'Slow-motion mens' from Fred Polak lying to be read after I have finished another book.

Also I enjoyed Paul van Loon when I was a kid. I'm not very similair with Dutch literature desu.

>>11380635
Delet

>>11369526
Donkere kamer van damocles
Kaas
Thirza (good book, bad writer)
Terug naar Oegstgeest

>>11376859
Willem Wilmink

>>11369526
'De kleine Johannes' and 'Van de koele meren des doods' (both by Frederik van Eeden) and 'De stille kracht' (Louis Couperus) are both great late 19th / early 20th century works of Dutch literature.

>>11380145
Ik denk niet dat hij daar zegt dat hij zelf wil dat Israel perse een joodse staat moet blijven.
Neemt overigens niet weg dat hij een ontzettende aansteller is.

Essential incel core

>>11377176
Yall niggas shitposting about Infinite Jest and accusing others of being hipsters

I remember a friend recommending a Dutch book to me.
I believe it was quite short, about 90 pages or so, about a man with alzheimers or something similar.
Anybody know what it is called?

http://vangoghletters.org/vg/

>En toch geloof ik dat – al blijf ik steeds werk leveren waarin men, indien men begeert vooral juist van dien kant en met dat doel het te beschouwen, fouten kan aanwijzen –
>het een zeker eigen leven en raison d’être zal hebben dat die fouten overdonderen zal – in het oog van hen die karakter en het de dingen door den geest laten gaan apprecieeren.– En met al mijn fouten zal men mij nog zoo makkelijk niet overdonderen als men denkt. Ik weet te goed welk doel ik beoog, ik ben te vast en zeker overtuigd dat ik après tout op een regten weg ben – wanneer ik wil schilderen wat ik voel en voelen wat ik schilder – dan dat ik mij veel bekommer om wat de lui van mij zeggen.–
>Toch maakt het mij soms het leven zeer moeielijk en – ik acht het zeer wel mogelijk sommige lui later spijt zullen hebben van dingen die ze hetzij van me zeiden hetzij tegenwerking of onverschilligheid waar ze me mede donderden.– Wat ik er tegen doe is mij zóó terugtrekken dat ik letterlijk geen andere lui meer zie dan – de boertjes – waar ik direkt mee te maken heb om ze te schilderen.–
>En dit zal mijn systeem blijven en ’t kan zelfs best zijn ik binnen kort mijn atelier opgeef en in een hut ga wonen, zóó dat ik niets meer hoor of zie van wie zich beschaafde lui noemen.–

>>11382866
Out of mind (hersenschimmen) by Bernlef?

>>11383175
I think that's the one, thanks man!
Thought it was way shorter though, must have remembered it wrong

>>11383053
> >En dit zal mijn systeem blijven en ’t kan zelfs best zijn ik binnen kort mijn atelier opgeef en in een hut ga wonen, zóó dat ik niets meer hoor of zie van wie zich beschaafde lui noemen.–

Ik wil Van Gogh een knuffel geven :’(

>>11383053
Gebaseerd.

>>11377169
You ok man?

>>11382866
>about 90 pages or so
>>11383195
>Thought it was way shorter though
isn't that book supposed to be around 200 pages

>>11369865
underrated post

>>11371958
Enige goed antwoord

>>11385323
Why are you on this board if you can't read?
>must have remembered it wrong

Wat zijn de Groote Drie als je niet kijkt naar tijdsgebied? Hermans nog steeds wel lijkt me maar daarbuiten, Bordewijk of Boons?

Waar halen jullie je nederlandse epubs vandaan trouwens?

>>11385782
Persoonlijk vind ik Gerard Reve beter dan Hermans. En Haasse deed het ook in het buitenland helemaal niet verkeerd. Maarten 't Hart schrijft al vijftig jaar hetzelfde boek maar op de een of andere manier is dat best wel ok

>>11385782
>Waar halen jullie je nederlandse epubs vandaan trouwens?
soulseek

>>11385811
>>11385782
SS is verreweg de beste manier om nieuwere ebooks te verkrijgen, zo nu en dan staat er ook wel iets op Gutenberg.

>>11385799
>Gerard Reve beter dan Hermans

Het enige wat ik van Reve heb gelezen is de avonden & het boek van violet en dood, beide prachtige boeken, maar ook zo verschillend van Hermans dat ik dacht dat een vergelijking niet op zou gaan. Waarom vind je Reve beter dan Hermans?

>>11385824
Reve is ook heel verschillend hoor, dus het is een zeer persoonlijke uitspraak. Maar bijvoorbeeld Nader tot U en Werther Nieland vind ik wat betreft stijl geweldig terwijl ik die indruk nooit echt bij Hermans had. En een deel van Hermans' werk is mij soms wat te rancuneus. Onder professoren, uit tallos veel miljoenen, mandarijnen op zwavelzuur: ik snap voor een deel de aantrekkingskracht van de boeken maar hij komt me te vaak over als een gekleineerd kind dat zijn gram wil halen.

>>11371939
People just used to talk in a way we today think of as sophisticated.

Reve's Evenings was the most boring turd imaginable.

>>11386018
Which was the point, dum dum. If you think a monotonous book is boring, revert back to Fast 'n Furious and the like.

sid lukassen's "avondland en identiteit" is pretty nice, just like "democratie en haar media"
not genius/intellectual or anything, but like 7/10 or 8/10, he is a philosopher of history so he does some beaudrillard/hegel/random references inbetween talking about normie practical politics, thats why I like him

>>11386067
I don't like him and if you want to understand modern politics Peter Mair is a much better starting point

>>11386018
I like boring books, they’re comfy.

What's the consensus on Nooteboom?

>>11371352

This

>>11386067
>sid lukassen

>>11386938
His poetry is okay, novels are pretty good, some of his travel writing is really fucking good

>>11369526
Nee Opkankere.

How come we don't have threads like this more often?

>>11389697
Rec one

Can someone recommend me a good book/resources for studying the Dutch language? I can understand it quite well, but my speaking abilities are limited.

>>11389898
For his novels: Philip and the others; Rituals and All Soul's Day

Travel writings: Roads to Santiago is a must read, but all are good.

Personal favorites in Dutch are Waar je gevallen bent, blijf je; De wereld een reiziger; Berlijnse notities and De filosoof zonder ogen

>>11389898
>>11390767
I think All Soul's Day is a bit overrated and that The Foxes Come At Night or Lost Paradise are better. Ultima Thule is also p. good travel writing, Roads to Santiago and Roads to Berlin are fucking good

>>11390777
Fair enough.

In general, his shorter novels/short stories are all pretty darn good. I just feel like the three I named sum up his style best.

>>11390791
In a way All Soul's Day is almost too typical of his style for me. A bit too intellectual sometimes and its reputation outshines some of his other stuff maybe. Rituals is so good though. I'll always be thankful for my Dutch teacher for recommending it to me

>yfw most people ITT talking in nigger language rather than posting dutch literature

>>11391491
Shouldn't you be setting up a FvD-jongerendag somewhere?

>>11377173
>levi Weemoedt

Dit is een medelander met verfijnde smaak.

Weed is nice, oh shit it’s the sea.

>>11372525
Exactly.

>>11391630
Dutch people actually aren’t big weed smokers compared to other western euros and yanks. We just like selling it like the merchants we are.

>>11372525
read Vogelaar

Maar, even real, wat je voorkeur ook is, Hermans zit in de top 3 van DutchLit

Daily reminder that the Netherlands belongs to France.
T. Frenchie in the Netherlands

>>11390903
Rituals changed me, I can safely say. This is a feeling that has always stayed with me while reading Nooteboom: here was someone that was having a converstation with me, rather than just telling me a story.

>>11393051
Napoleonic revival when?

Jullie mening over:
-Montyn
-Wolkers
?

>>11393835
Wolkers is een leuke schrijver, heel kleurrijk en zonder schroom. Van wat ik heb gelezen vond ik terug naar Oestgeest het beste.

>>11386040
That's affective fallacy, no wonder you sea rats never won a literature nobel.

>>11386121
>MUH COMFWEEEE

>>11394084
Oh, you read the translation. Dumb anglo poster.

>dvw

Iemand die ook Glorie van Patricia Jozef heeft gelezen? Vlaams dan wel, maar ik vond hem erg goed (zinnen zoals: 'Weer thuis blijf ik in de gang staan, kijk naar boven en denk: dit is een prachtige traphal om je in op te hangen')

>>11369865
Shalom Rabbi!

This is not a nederdraad people, enforced language is english here.
God damnit this feels like I'm on vacation and the only people I hear are dutch. Step it up fellow countrymen.

>>11397514

>>11393051
Daily reminder that the French don't deserve their culture.

>>11397588
they don't even make the best wine anymore

truly a nation on the way out (and that's a good thing)

>>11397530
Eens

>>11393728
Amen brother

apologize

>>11398267
MODS

>>11371239
Ik heb het Gouden Ei vanmiddag gelezen en ik vond er niks veel aan. Een geinig idee dat efficiënt is uitgevoerd maar veel meer is het ook niet. Het is idd geschreven om een film van te maken.

Twee zinnen waar ik mijn tanden op brak:
>Maar dat bedierf niets aan de baldadige, tragische schoonheid van haar gezicht
>Een kale leegte ontvouwde zich in zijn buik

>>11399530
> Een kale leegte ontvouwde zich in zijn buik
BRRRAAAAAAP

>>11399530
Tim Krabbé is eigenlijk maar een lul ook. Zijn boekje over wielrennen is wel oke tho

>>11369855

>Grunberg

Kanker op

>>11369855
stop insulting houellebecq

>>11372543

Leer Nederlands voor dat je gaat lopen haten

Waarom is deze kankerdraad nog steeds actief?

>>11375292

Most significant Boers were famously illiterate and never read anything more than a bible

which one of the authors/books mentioned in this thread is best for someone who has like me who has mediocre/intermediate dutch levels? or would it be easier to start with poetry because the volume of words is lower?

>>11386081
why?
I looked him up and

>Mair examines the alarming parallel development that has seen Europe’s political elites remodel themselves as a homogeneous professional class, withdrawing into state institutions that offer relative stability in a world of fickle voters. Meanwhile, non-democratic agencies and practices proliferate and gain credibility—not least among them the European Union itself, an organization contributing to the depoliticization of the member states and one whose notorious ‘democratic deficit’ reflects the deliberate intentions of its founders.

brainlet elite vs masses false dichotomy, muh no true democracy, is this r*ddit?

>>11394084
>That's affective fallacy

It isn't and I sure hope you're not schooled in literary critique, because you're spouting terms you know nothing about

>>11399877
er broeit iets

>>11400435
t. Balkenende

>>11400300
Did you even read that quote?

>>11399530
Alle Krabbe's zijn kut