/lit/ - Literature

>>11347931
I have never hear of him.
The reason why D is talked more is probably because he is beloved and a required reading from high schools and colleges.

Good old Chekhov didn't write novels, only plays and tales. I really like him, and find myself reading him over and over these days.

What a horrible way to start a thread. Anons, you are not realizing how much this place poison the mind with this language. "Why does...and not...?". Think about it.

>>11348002
i don't follow

>>11347931
i wrote an entire long post about a chekhov story earlier and noone responded
>>11345273

>>11348068
>Noone
That's why

>>11347931
Chekhov is probably the most influential short story writer of all time, yet none of the writers I know personally (friends from college), or online, have bothered to read him.

>>11348080
good post

>>11347999
chekhov, freud, deleuze, and sophocles on a yearly basis

>>11347983
>Dostoyevsky required reading from high schools and colleges
Not in America. In fact, It's the other way around. I had to read Chekhov in theatre class but I've never been assigned Dostoyevsky in High School or any university gen eds.

>>11347983
>Dostoevsky as required reading from high schools
Is this a private school thing or something? I've never met anybody who had that experience.

So what was the sound in the cherry orchard, /lit/?

>>11349510
>>11349634
I had to read crime and punishment in senior year in high-school too (AP literature). Maybe you guys took dumb guy classes?

>>11349665
I took AP lit. We read Chaucer, Dante, and some really poorly written diversity inclusion books about a girl on an Indian reservation and some guy in the Sudan.

>>11349657

>>11347931
Nobody can BTFO us the stoics my friend.

>>11349677
Chaucer is pretty cool. Dante was my 3rd year but we had a diversity garbage book too (hullabaloo in the guava orchard). 3rd year we had Abe's woman in the dunes which was actually really good. Where'd you go to school anon? Coloradofag here

>>11349681
imagine the smell...

>>11348058
It's whining. "Why are things not how I think they should be?" and it's an appeal to the readers of the post "why don't YOU talk about this?" as if you were not included in this you.

Yes, I'm not an autist, I'm well aware that this is a common way to start a thread on the subject. But when it hits you that all of these ways of saying things reverberate in our heads afterwards. You start walking around thinking in those terms, phrasing how you question the world in that way, as a plead for answers.

There are other ways to say it. Exposition is rarely used, for example. You could have said "I've been reading Chekhov and I've noticed this and this about him, which I don't see in Dostoevsky in spite of his popularity" and so on. Not that it is better, but to show there is a myriad of ways to expose one's ideas. I know it's not chan culture, but fuck it, we ought to think how we talk about things here. We can choose, you know.

>>11349765
I'm from Missouri. I can't imagine getting to read Japanese lit in High School. You lucked out, Anon.

>>11350417
>I'm not an autist

>>11347931
1. We talk about chekov a lot.
2. He's talked about much less than Dosto because Dosto wrote novels and "the best movie length is 90 minutes" baby brainers think of novels in the same way.

>>11350460
This. The novel is the meme form, while 5% of /lit/ at most has been in a theater within the last 6 months.

>>11350460
Dostoyevsky also wrote short stories, articles, and political pieces - not to mention that his novels range in length from around 140 pages to over 1100 pages.
I don't think your reasoning holds up well.

>>11349665
same

ok, suggest something by him that isnt about bored aristocrats in their manors

>>11350470
Yeah, but nobody is talking about his short stories, articles, and political pieces. He is popular because he wrote novels. (Same thing goes for Tolstoy.)
The particular number of pages of a novel is irrelevant as long as it is seen as a novel, a sort of a basic unit of literature.

>>11350478
Tbh the first world today pretty much is a bunch of bored aristocrats in manors, his themes are still perfectly relevant.

>>11350478
Misery

>>11350481
>Tbh the first world today pretty much is a bunch of bored aristocrats in manors
No.

>>11350493
Yes, all of our basic needs are satisfied so now we're making up new "problems", imagining the world falling apart and what not.

>>11350481
>Tbh the first world today pretty much is a bunch of bored aristocrats in manors, his themes are still perfectly relevant
boomer detected

>>11350505
You really don't know how much money the average aristocrat had. I will never get this meme that mddle to low class people think they are rich.

>>11350505
I've spent the last 2 years of my life in a shitty apartment with 3 other dudes living on $800 a month. I'm from a community where the average annual income is around 15k. Go fuck yourself and your middle class worldview. America isn't your gated community.

>>11347931
Nabokov considered him a top 5 Russian writer, and not Dostoevsky

>>11350546
Nabokov had a family vendetta against Dostoyevsky. His grand uncle (or something like that) was one of the Tsarist secret police officers incharge of investigating Dostoyevsky.

>>11350546

he wasn't wrong

>>11350564

dosto fails the density/speed test pitted directly against chekov

>>11350482
just read it, seems pretty unrealistic. average men usually dont want to talk about deep feels to strangers, unless they want to confess something. maybe that cabdriver wasnt average, but then the title "misery" would be too universal.
the ending stands out and everything else seems subsidiary, leading towards it, which gives the story an oldfashioned constructed feel.

>>11350481
> He is popular because he wrote novels. (Same thing goes for Tolstoy.)

I should remind you that Tolstoy was a world star, and not just for his novels.

>>11350425
kc?

>>11350478
Ward No. 6, A Dreary Story

I tried making a thread about "The Steppe" and it got a total of four replies. I suppose he isn't as illustrious as the other Russian novelists.

>>11347931
>He BTFO'd Stoic redditors in Ward No. 6

He destroyed the stoics with this. It's too easy to brag about the futility in the long run of both pleasures and agonies when you are a spoiled bourgeois, but once the suffering arrives at your door, you understand why humans act the way they do. Struggle to avoid suffering is the primal engine of the human story. I will make a spoiler here: this short narration ends with the former stoic, layind on the ground, behind the shadows of a dark room, feeling the pain that millions of unknown persons may have also experience through centuries; a powerful scene.

I think he might be too difficult. Most of what I’ve read by him I don’t really know what to make of, like Three Sisters. I like that >>11349657 tried to start a discussion but I can’t answer him, and it seems like most of /lit/ is the same. Whenever I’ve asked about him in threads I’ve had similar results.
Dosto on the other hand speaks very well even to 16 year olds (which is not a bad thing). He’s easy to discuss.

>>11353559
what do you mean you don't know what to make of three sisters? it's not like he's veiling his criticisms

>>11353583
I have no idea what he was trying to say with it. If you do I’d love to hear.

>>11353611
i wrote about it some years ago, he deals with a number of topics. grief and avoidance of grieving, many reflections on the passage of time, living in bad faith (what w/ a sort of delusion in the hope for going back to moscow -- which amounts to going "back to" a future that never materializes), the charlatanry and intellectual bankruptcy of capital P Philosophers, the hardening and dying of an originally creative life-affirming drive in people becoming-adults, the banal and meaningless and harmful habits of adults who live in bad faith

>>11353462
About an 1hr and a half south of kc. medium sized town.

>>11353655
nevada? are you cute

>>11353633
See none of that came across very strongly to me. Was all that apparent to you, or did you read any good secondary texts? Not trying to call you out just looking for recs.

>>11353666
I was not expecting you to guess my city correctly. Who is this?
Yes and No.

Is there a single bedt translation or collection of his stories in English? Checking through Amazon, there are several that collect only handfuls of his writing.

>>11353692
i read the play because i convinced a theater professor to let me write essays rather than take tests in his class, and wrote a paper on what makes it a tragedy.

so i approached it from the beginning with that lens, what makes three sisters a tragedy, and why did chekhov write it

no secondary texts. i'd been studying freud daily for a couple years, so that probably had a lot to do with the way i saw chekhov at the time.

>>11353694
i know 71 pretty well.

you don't know me but i'm cute. maybe we can be cute and not cute together sometime

>>11353750
What kind of books are you into? Are you a gril?

>>11353761
m, bi, young, i'm the one talking about chekhov's three sisters. psychology, tragedy, surrealism, the avant-garde, character analysis, dreams, architecture and haptic sensation of place is a good slice of what i'm into

>>11353703
https://www.amazon.com/Stories-Anton-Chekhov/dp/0553381008
i've had 2 collected chekhovs and I picked this one up at the bookstore because i saw it was better than my others.

>>11353750
I saw your post for a sec before (I assume) it was deleted for some reason? I'm also male 22 but strictly heterosexual - sorry. You seem like an intelligent and nice guy, though.

>>11347931
Cuz Chekhov is a play writter and plays are for sissys

>>11353778
Give me your address and I'll show you which of us is the sissy.

>>11353692

>>11353782
Avenida das Américas 15000 u better come packing

>>11353790
Enjoy your last hours.

>>11353692
>>11353787

>>11353747
>'d been studying freud daily for a couple years
was this really necessary? what did you gain from it?

>>11353747
You’d you delete your essay? It was interesting.

>>11353532
that doesnt sound like it BTFOs stoicism...sounds like you dont know what the fuck stoicism is

>>11349657
The sound of axes chopping it.

>>11347931
>redditors
>stoic

>>11350467
and 5% of lit have wanked to their grandmas, does that make it superior to reading?

>>11347931
In order to understand some of Chekhov's works (not the majority of them, but some) you should understand the intellectual atmosphere of russian fin-de-siècle. It was a tumultuous time prior to the revolution of 1905 (and of 1917 in the long run) and Chekhov often argues in his works with common views of russian socialists. Also, the end of 19th century was the dawn of russian aristocracy, when many respected families with long history went poor or dependant on bourgeois class (which is depicted in "The Cherry Orchard').

>>11353532
wow STOICISM BTFO!
Also Buddhism btfo! CHRISTIANITY BTFO! DOSTOEVSKY BTFO!!!!!!!! FUCKYEEE THEY ALL GOT BTFO USING THIS ONE WEIRD TRICK (Redditors hate him)

>>11348068
That was a good read, Anon.

>>11347931
they write about similar subjects but Chekhov has that kind of ivory tower feeling that dostoevsky doesn't have

>>11349665
AP lit gives the teacher a huge list of books and they only have to choose like 6 to build their course around.

>>11347931
The realists are all terrible. You could sum up the thematic content (which, really, realist fiction exists as a delivery mechanism for, and nothing else) of a Chekov play in a couple paragraphs instead of suffering the incredible boredom of reading or watching it.

>>11348376
I read Uncle Vanya in high school. You and your friends are plebs, and so is Chekov.

>>11350478
Easter Eve, A Joke, In Exile, Gusev, Anyuta, At the barber's, Champagne, A tragic actor

>>11355701
>sum up the thematic content (which, really, realist fiction exists as a delivery mechanism for, and nothing else)
kill yourself any time you want my man

>>11355821
Themefag seething as usual, I see.

Ctrl+F Search Reddit: 0 Results. Sorry but I'm afraid he never really addressed them.

>>11353833
thanks, i can post the whole thing, with a couple pages on the repeated phrase "back to Moscow" if you want. didn't think anybody was reading it.

>>11353818
necessary? it changed my whole approach to writing and to living. i discovered freud, oddly enough, in a cultural anthropology course, taught by a genius whom i greatly admire, and then again in a summer course her spouse taught, before i picked up his works and decided to read his entire oeuvre in chronological order. i also wanted to read freud before i got into lacan and deleuze and guattari. never once took psychology in uni -- absolutely detested the discipline then as i do now.

>>11347983
Never heard of checkov?? He's the father of the short story. Imagine being so unashamed to wave your own ignorance around