/lit/ - Literature

The most retarded thing about the article is the idea that somebody can read "The Great Gatsby" and somehow think that being an obsessive with oneitis like Gatsby was is healthy or would lead to anything other than self-destruction.

The author seems to have a bizarre desire to eliminate stories about men who are heartbroken because they're lonely despite that being a real part of the human experience for men. They think that burning books is somehow going to change who men are. Yet it will only make men more confused over their nature and lead them more astray.

>Perhaps these novels coached me into taking male sexual frustration seriously through a kind of frightful education

Appearantly not well enough because this writer chose to simply ignore the wisdom in these novels and beileve in a fantasy world where men can be romantically and sexually frustrated, lonely, and perfectly mentally healthy so long as they become feminists who give up on masculinity and start crying and talking about their feelings all the time. When in fact that just makes them into even bigger pussies who are even more alienated when they realise the same women who encouraged them to do this are intensely unattracted to them.

You would think feminists given how much they talk about equity would realise the merit in trying to make sure some men aren't left behind in the romantic world and maybe get some help from women dating if they're sad and lonely. However feminism being for mens interests is as everybody knows, a lie, feminists will never help lonely broken men even if it means the world to them, even if making men mentally healthy can indirectly benefit women, if the consequences of doing so is minor inconvience for women.

If the feminists who wrote shit like this paid attention to the world, they would notice things like how religious polygamist societies are among the most violent in the world because polygamy inherently leads to the alienation of men on a massive scale. They would realise things like economic hardship cutting into mens social life, and things like tinder making dating less egalitarian, were a danger to society. That the only path forward is to help incels turn a corner, forge themselves into great, productive, hygenic, strong, educated, stable masculine men who are brave enough and hardworking enough to get what they're yearning for. To encourage people to date women they meet in real life rather than fucking up their brains using hypersexualized dating apps.

>In both life and literature, we lock up women who are dangerously sexually frustrated

Women literally cannot experience the same level of sexual frustration as men. /r9k/ regularly does shit like make a catfishing dating profile with a boil covered hambeast who says they're looking to hookup and they get a hundred replies every time. Women can be ROMANTICALLY frustrated, but it's a joke and a lie to say they can be sexually frustrated like men can.

>>11325091
The democratization of literature and everything literature-related was a mistake

>>11325276
Absolutely brutal and amazing post.

>>11325279
Democracy was a mistake

>>11325279
Democracy anything is garbage

>>11325091
Is there a Incel movement?

Wouldn't legalizing whores just fix this shitty problem?

>>11325594
Only the state mandated girlfriends will fix it

>>11325604
Lord Corbyn will provide

>>11325604
I read Lovestar, some Icelandic Sci-fi novel where your perfect partner would be calculated for you at like 21 years old though a huge database, some people didn't go through it but the majority of humans did. That is the future.

>>11325589
yeah its an involuntary movement
kinda like diarrhea , tardive dyskensia, or parkinsons

>>11325091
>>11325276
Everyone point and laugh.

He wrote down his 4chan response to himself in wordpad because he's mentally I'll and alone.

>>11325618
Would you recommend it, or do you just like the premise?

>>11325618
I've thought about such an idea, it makes sense I'm not the first.
Yes, this is the future.

>>11325642
Yeah, it was pretty good and explored other interesting ideas. If you're looking for a pretty non conventional sci-fi I'd recommend it.

>>11325637
t. Erin

>>11325276
High iq post.

>>11325618
>Implying women would agree to such a system, which takes Chad out of their reach

>>11325744
what? It's not only made for men but women too. And a Chad would of of course be down to meet the perfect woman for him and stay with her.

>>11325744
No one would agree to such a system, that's the whole point. It's egalitarian in how bad it feels for everyone.

>>11325276
You should have stopped at the first two paragraphs you angry loser.

>>11325744
>>11325766
>>11325767
Everyone would love the system once it was shown to make the vast majority of people happy. It would be considered weird and/or stupid to look for partners outside of the algorithm.

>>11325819
Try harder

>>11325845
I'd love this system to be implemented and mandatory, but I will never take part in it and would rather bear whatever punishment is there for avoiding it.

>>11325864
They turn you into an animal of your choosing.

>>11325864
what if your punishment for avoiding the system was having to partake in the system

>>11325276
Wow you sound like a certain canadian clinical psychologist except straight to the point and not beating around the bush with Jungian dialectics

>>11325864
Are you a woman?

>>11325892
Too bad
>>11325914
Nope

>>11325091
The problem is that now women can covertly court chads without anyone knowing, they can effectively taste Chad for a night and still parade in town as if they are still innocent butterflies and convince themselves they are still of quality since no one was there to shame them. Thus a breaking in the social system. (See Kubrick's last films)

Can we get a good incel core reading list going?

I honestly love reading about lonely main characters or stories where the main character is an incel obsessing over women.

>>11325941
You said: 'I'll go to another land, I'll go to another sea,
Another city will be found, a better one than this.My every effort is doomed by destinyand my heart—like a dead man—lies buried.
How long will my mind languish in such decay?
Wherever I turn my eyes, wherever I look,
the blackened ruins of my life I see here,
where so many years I've lived and wasted and ruined.'

Any new lands you will not find; you'll find no other seas.
The city will be following you. In the same streets
you'll wander. And in the same neighbourhoods you'll age,
and in these same houses you will grow grey.Always in this same city you'll arrive. For elsewhere—do not
hope—
there is no ship for you, there is no road.Just as you've wasted your life here,
in this tiny niche, in the entire world you've ruined it.

>>11325618
Interesting

>>11325276
Good shit my man.

>>11325589
The Incels are mostly Indians and Asians, or other ethnic out-groups, living in White countries who are proximate and attracted to White women but who can not access them. Detris from immigration and multi-racial societies.

>>11325276
>That the only path forward is to help incels turn a corner
not sure I agree with everything you say but recently realized this fact: if you're shitty, unsecure because you're an issues-ridden, self-hating creep without any trace of self-awareness, you're not construed as a healthy sexual mate. You gotta accept your weirdness and self-centeredness and go full Kanye to get pussy

Not gonna lie. Reading the classics and becoming redpilled happened at the same time for me.

>>11325941
WE'RE STARTING IT HERE

Whatever
Atomised (to a lesser extent)
Hunchback of Notre Dame
The Tunnel
Young Werther
Prufrock

Poems of Larkin
Poems of Leopardi
Poems of Yeats
Poems of Houseman (gaycel)

Anymore /lit/?

>>11325091
The minute I saw that headline, I knew I would see it get linked here

>>11326083
Notes From Underground
Father Serguis by Leo Tolstoy (volcel)
The Catcher in the Rye
The Idiot

Why is DFW seen as a white devil in the literary community?

>>11326128
He went from a hero who killed a white male to a villain who stalked a woman.

>>11325276
Here's the thing: "Feminism" is not, as a political idelogy, absolving women from any wrongdoing because they are women. It's a broad, multi-pronged collection of diverse philosophical and political viewpoints not simply "for women" but AGAINST political injustice against all people (men included!) that stems from an unjust system premise on male superiority/privilege.

>>11326207
Pragmatically, this doesn’t matter. For every intelligent feminist who points out, “Feminism is not about hating men and glorifying women uncritically!”, there’s twenty women of lower IQ who exactly interpret feminism to mean this. The voice of reason doesn’t matter. Most people who are objecting to the feminist miasma permeating modern culture are not responding to moderate and casual voices of reason. They are responding to the automatons who write Huffington Post articles bashing men and praising women. Not to mention that the premises of feminism are debatable.

>>11325091
This is just op-ed at its fullest, kek. We are truly living in a time where everybody is ironic.

soon classic literature will be banned, this is (((their))) plan

>>11326207
If this current system we live in really was predicated on male superiority/privilege, then it wouldn't hurt men.

The reality is, if feminism actually was trying to bring "equality" and "justice" to all people as it claims to (and not just women) then it would actually try to manufacture a society that gives MORE "perks" to men over women, as males are biologically less valuable than females and thus male humans require more perks/privileges to 'equalize' with female humans (women).
Of course, this is not what feminism is about at it's fundamental level. What feminism is actually about, is creating a society where female humans (women) have complete domination over the reproductive function of our species, and to attempt to make the males that lose access to the reproductive function accept their place (the lower 40% of men who women don't select for MUST accept that "THEY ARE NOT ENTITLED TO WOMEN'S BODIES!!").

>>11325276
You just wrote an essay in a cartoon frog thread rationalizing your weird sexual hangups with women.

How do you feel about yourself?

>>11325091
Just make it stop... please make it stop...

>>11326344
>rationalizing your
"your"
>"How do you feel"

>>11326344
>criticize feminism
>”wow what r u a virgin?”

Women can’t really think that deeply, honestly.

>>11325279
*Democracy was a mistake

fify

>>11326344
You gotta wrote about something.

>the guardian

>>11326207
that doesn't translate outside of theoretical space
labor aristocrats support "intersectionality" as understood by neoliberal corporate bodies because it provides them with economic privileges. your average y'allidarity douche on twitter has no grounding in anything you've studied

>>11325091

> Shit like "I’d personally be cool with letting Hemingway, Ellis and Wallace drift into obscurity." is accepted in published piece about literature.

Oh boy, intellectuals truely are dead.

>>11326344
You wrote a low effort jab that added nothing to the conversation. If you wanna argue, make an argument. Also, who are you to judge? You're here too fag.
t. not even that guy

>>11325276
A+ post

>>11326451
There's nothing wrong with that statement.

>>11325276
Blackpill right here

>Looking for more great work from the Electric Literature, a nonprofit dedicated to making literature more exciting, relevant, and inclusive? Here are some suggestions:

>The new Fahrenheit 451 movie fails to reckon with Bradbury’s racism
>We need to talk about Derek Walcott’s sexual harassment scandal
>Kazuo Ishiguro’s Never Let Me Go is a masterpiece of racial metaphor

>>11327815
I disagree

>>11328164
Lmao what? How is this "blackpilling"?
Are you that far gone into cognitive dissonance that even this post reinforces your "blackpilled" beliefs?

>>11325091
>https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/jun/04/incel-movement-literary-classics-behind-misogyny

DANGEROUS BOOKS

>>11326083
Mishima

>>11325091
Yeah I agree with this, The Guardian is usually on point

What is the point of the author, ban the books about men alienation? Will this make men different?

Suffering, tragedy, alienation will be always source of literature, because literature itself arises from the vexations of life. Should men then write about fairy tales to avoid offending faggots?

>>11328366
where did the article suggest banning anything? either your reading comprehension is awful or you're deliberately misrepresenting what you've read, which is it?

>>11325276
If you can't say something worthwhile in a single sentence it isn't worth writing. Too many idiots use a lot of words to say exactly nothing and think they're blessed with intelligence.

>>11328567
Sweet irony.

>>11329040
Nigga you wish

>>11326344

>>11325996
Incels.me is majority white. r/braincels has a white plurality.

The most notable incel killers were all white or had significant white ancestry.

Going postal because women don't want to play with your peen is a very white thing to do. There are a lot of ethnic incels, but that's mostly limited to crying online about Hollywood and Tinder. The white incels are the ones that are dangerous.

>>11325276
10/10 post my man

>>11325941
There exists a chart.

>>11325618
This opperates under the flawed assumption that a perfect match exist to be found.

>>11325845
women do not like to be with repulsive men before they had a taste of a chad devoted to their pleasures

>>11325767
i would agree to it, it sounds like a fantastic system

>>11328442
The author is suggesting shaming people who read and seriously consider these books. The author wants to make her views socially acceptable and implicitly and explicitly stigmatize readers of such classics. It’s paving the way for a de facto, soft totalitarianism. An educated well-rounded populace has access to a wealth of different worldviews of the past, offensive or different from modern views as they may be. This is perhaps one of the most simultaneously stunningly awful and amazing times to live in in Western history in terms of the intellectual climate. It’s half the Dark Ages, half the Renaissance. With public libraries, any plucky person, no matter how poor, can have access to all the great world classics if they live in an affluent enough place. And yet, unprecedentedly, an overwhelming group clamors against learning about the culture of “dead white males”. It’s being stigmatized.

>>11326451
It’s funny, too, because Hemingway and Wallace are much more important and, in my opinion, much better writers (and less misogynistic) than Roth and Updike, whom she says she’s OK with keeping. Stupid cunt.

>>11325276
Not reading a single pixel

>>11325996
>Indians and Asians
Indians are Asians

>>11327815
Not inherently, but if you think that sort of statement has any place in an official publication you're entire education was in vein.

>>11325276
more like /r9gay/ lmao

>>11325276
/thread

>>11329569
>much better writers
no, your just retarded

>>11325276
*snap*
Yep. That's going in my based collection.

>>11325279
literature was a mistake

>>11328567
>2 sentences

>>11325276 nailed it

>>11329411
>There are a lot of ethnic incels, but that's mostly limited to crying online about Hollywood and Tinder. The white incels are the ones that are dangerous.

Arab Incels are literally why ISIS and terrorist groups exist, you moron.

>>11325276
>The most retarded thing about the article is the idea that somebody can read "The Great Gatsby" and somehow think that being an obsessive with oneitis like Gatsby was is healthy or would lead to anything other than self-destruction.
No, the most retarded thing is all of it.

>>11325276
Pretty solid and well thought out post. Good job anon.

>...the only path forward is to help incels turn a corner, forge themselves into great, productive, hygenic, strong, educated, stable masculine men who are brave enough and hardworking enough to get what they're yearning for. To encourage people to date women they meet in real life rather than fucking up their brains using hypersexualized dating apps.

Regardless of one's politics I don't see how anyone can reasonably disagree with this.

>>11325604
>>11325618
Except none of this is the case, people don't want that special someone they want to fuck around and there's not way the whore mongers at the top of men or remotely attractive women in general would give a shit about this.

>>11325845
why would it make the vast majority of people happy? advanced algorithms can't even be trusted to find books I'd like let alone who to spend my life with

>>11329569
>I’m not saying that we need to divest entirely from the mid-century authors like Pinter, Bellow, Updike and Roth who have so shaped American literary culture (though I’d personally be cool with letting Hemingway, Ellis and Wallace drift into obscurity). But I do think it’s time to be done with this particular story, which treats white male rage as a ceaseless source of interest.

I mean... the entirety of Updike's best books (the Rabbit novels) are about Rabbit's white male rage. Whereas Hemmingway and Wallace hardly touch on rage. Ellis obviously does, but then Ellis is trash to begin with.