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https://amp.theguardian.com/books/2018/jun/12/lionel-shriver-dropped-from-prize-judges-over-diversity-comments

Why is the literary community 99 % sjw fags and pseuds? I am too embarrassed to admit I read irl

>> No.11311879

>“From now until 2025, literary excellence will be secondary to ticking all those ethnicity, gender, disability, sexual preference and crap-education boxes,” she wrote. “We can safely infer from that email that if an agent submits a manuscript written by a gay transgender Caribbean who dropped out of school at seven and powers around town on a mobility scooter, it will be published, whether or not said manuscript is an incoherent, tedious, meandering and insensible pile of mixed-paper recycling.”
Holy fuck she's based

>> No.11311886

>>11311879
>t written by a gay transgender Caribbean who dropped out of school at seven and powers around town on a mobility scooter, it will be published, whether or not said manuscript is an incoherent, tedious, meandering and insensible pile of mixed-paper recycling
who wouldnt want to read that tho...

>> No.11311890

>>11311833
>Academic politics is the most vicious and bitter form of politics, because the stakes are so low
prize committees have zero relevance to popular culture at large and they know it, that's why everyone has to toe the line

>> No.11311895

>>11311886
to be fair, this specific example wouldn't get published without being sanitized first. the same author would howver absolutely get published if their manuscript was a third-rate joan didion ripoff

>> No.11311912

>>11311879
Can't blame her, most of the publishing industry is run by these progressive types and its obvious they only care about books containing some of the most filthy degeneracy.

>> No.11311927

>>11311886
Perhaps a memoir by them, but the problem is that we use these diversity criteria to determine the publishability of fiction. The level of discrimination an author faces doesn't affect the quality of his or her prose.

>> No.11311951

diversity is a fucking racket

>> No.11311957

is lionel a woman? im confused

>> No.11311973

>>11311879
She’s been based for a long time

>> No.11311974

So whats gonna happen once whitey is basically irrelevant. Who gets first dibs at being published? (Assuming books are even made anymore at that point lmao) What would they even be about anymore? What could they even write about once the eternal cumskin barely matters anymore?

>> No.11311976

>>11311957
She changed her name to a male name to be taken more seriously

>> No.11311978

This is the literary community

>> No.11311988

The truth is that if you have enough free time to write novel length fiction you are more privileged than 75% of the world's population regardless of race/gender/handicaps.

>> No.11311999

>>11311988
whoa..

>> No.11312017
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>Candice Carty-Williams is a writer who has also worked at Penguin Random House for almost two years.

>She supports the company's attempts to make both its staff and authors more reflective of the UK population.

>"It's been proven that more diverse workforces foster a more innovative and creative environment and results," she says.

>She argues there are many longstanding barriers preventing people from minority groups getting into the industry.

>"How will this change unless initiatives are put in place to redress this balance?" she asks.

>Concerning Ms Shriver's argument that quality will suffer as a result of the policy, Ms Carty-Williams says: "Since when were good books and cultural representation mutually exclusive?"

>She argues Penguin Random House are simply trying to make literature culturally reflective, "not because it's a box-ticking exercise or because it's the 'right thing to do', but because it matters".

>> No.11312040

Interestingly I became right wing after I started reading classic lit

>> No.11312041

>>11311879
Lmao that reads like a typical neckbearded /pol/ post.

>> No.11312047

>>11312041
right, i wouldn't be surprised to see shriver popping up on panels with jordan peterson and the like in the near future

>> No.11312062

>>11311879
>crap-education boxes,
That's a new one for me. I suppose it tends to get conflated with 'shit childhood'.

>> No.11312069

>>11311957
>At age 15, she informally changed her name from Margaret Ann to Lionel because she did not like the name she had been given, and as a tomboy felt that a conventionally male name fitted her better.

>> No.11312077

>>11312069
*snap*

>> No.11312089

>>11311879
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/13/lionel-shrivers-full-speech-i-hope-the-concept-of-cultural-appropriation-is-a-passing-fad

>> No.11312103

>>11311833
>Why is the literary community 99 % sjw fags and pseuds?
Because the postwar world turned art into an academic pursuit, and academic culture homogenized the artistic caste.

>> No.11312109

>>11311988
utterly false in all regards. Poor people have tons of time because they suck up welfare

>> No.11312113

>>11312040
Too much unapologetic lust for life in an ethnostate will do that

>> No.11312114

>>11311833
>Why is the literary community 99 % sjw fags and pseuds?
because literature is dead, because everything worth saying has been written, because therefore noone real needs to be a part of a literary community, literally like the tye-dye shirt making crew or cupcake bake sale club at a highschool

>> No.11312124

>>11312041
do you actually have any kind of argument against her or valuable opinion besides this retarded superficiality?

>> No.11312140

What kind of dumbass woman is named lionel

>> No.11312165

>>11312109
Poor people in countries with generous welfare fall into the “More privileged” category.

>> No.11312170
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11312170

Why don't you guys all just take hormones and become transgender to get insta-published?

>> No.11312180

>tfw hispanic but still sort of white
How many diversity points do I get?

>> No.11312183

>>11312140
See >>11312069

>> No.11312205

The left can only get away with that sort of political gatekeeping because they're the only ones reading the drivel that gets churned out by modern publishing. The classics are the only thing worth reading because literature is a dead art form.

>> No.11312210

>>11312170
I bet that isn't even enough to get attention anyway. Id have to actually walk the walk, not just pop some pills and make a twitter account

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>>11312170
>destroying your body for wealth and fame

>> No.11312233

>>11312180
You’re not white if you are at all hispanic you’re just a nondescript ugly caucasoid

>> No.11312246

>>11312233
How many oppression chips can I cash in though?

>> No.11312292

>>11312109
This idiot tho

>> No.11312321

>>11312165
That's cute, except western countries are taking in massive immigration and giving fuck tons in money to charities. I wonder if people given money by westerners to live on in Africa have free time? Privilege is a useless category, our success is built on hard work, not some magical shit from the sky.

>> No.11312833

>>11311833
>I am too embarrassed to admit I read irl because people might think I'm an sjw pseud like some prize judges
Of course you are, that's a very sensible way to think.

>> No.11312903

>>11311879
Given that the alternative so far was "straight middle class white male who went to college with daddies money", it's likely that a tranny Caribbean retard would at least have something to say, and then an editor could make it decent enough to actually publish.

>>11312124
What kind of argument does she have sans some kind of fantasy scenario in her head without any connection to reality? Can she prove that any work of a diverse author was published without any merit to the writing in a way that doesn't happen to crackers?

>>11312165
More privileged than Burgers and third worlders but they still experience TEH struggle.

>> No.11312925

>>11311974
It's not about whitey but about middle class trash that's been flooding the market for centuries.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/jun/11/publisher-defends-diversity-drive-after-lionel-shrivers-attack

>What PRH is doing is making it easier for hugely talented individuals from marginalised parts of our society to have their voices and their stories heard – not only those from minority groups, but white working-class voices too.

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>>11311879

SAVAGE

>> No.11312949

>>11312903
There's nothing inherently interesting about those types of struggles, and the discourse around them has wrenched anything interesting out. To be marginalized today is to be as banal as possible.

>> No.11312983

>>11312903
>it's likely that a tranny Caribbean retard would at least have something to say,
Good form >>>>>> unique perspective

>> No.11312988

>>11312949
There is nothing inherently interesting in anything. It's just more likely that someone who experienced the struggle to choose between majoring in English or Philosophy offers less than the person who struggled to choose between feeding themselves or lending money to a friend to feed their kid.

To be marginalized today isn't any different from the past, just the likelihood of fatal outcomes is lower.

>> No.11313001

>>11312983
For what? It's likely that someone already wrote some middle class shit in a much better form already, why the fuck would you sign an inferior version to tell the same story? If anything, straight middle class white dudes should bitch about other straight middle class white dudes who saturated the market for this crap before their grandparents were even born.

>> No.11313018

>>11312041
I mean that exact thing she said has been said for a long ass time.

>> No.11313021

It doesn't matter what background people came from, even the richest of people can suffer or come up with interesting literature about their class and class struggles. I think it'd be fascinating to have a novel written by an upper class member of a dying breed of bourgeoisie like the leopard.

>> No.11313023

>>11312983
The perspective is never really unique though. That's why it's not fundamentally different. Struggle in various forms is mostly portrayed similarly. All that makes it interesting is the way it is portrayed.

>> No.11313026

>>11313021
>It doesn't matter what background people came from
>it'd be fascinating to have a novel written by an upper class member of a dying breed of bourgeoisie

>> No.11313028

>>11312983
I guess, but I'd rather take some nutjobs terrible word vomit about what it's like to be a rum addicted island tranny than someone's well structured exercise in typicality and mediocrity. I'd rather watch Demon Lover than a limp hollywood romance.

>> No.11313034

>>11313026

I really didn't want to write that long of a post, but i should've pointed out, I was thinking about people like marcel proust, and the idea that we can always learn something from someone regardless of their class or race, so its silly to pick out people not on merit but specifically for their circumstances. But what i'm saying is nothing new anyway.

>> No.11313074

>>11313034
>marcel proust
The guy who bribed his way in because he had the cash to. How many potential Prousts never had a chance to do the same?

>> No.11313080

>>11312988
I'm really not so sure. The discourse around the latter has been standardized to the point of becoming completely uninteresting, and the "art" it inspires generally mimics that.

>> No.11313089

>>11313080
Because the discourse usually comes from observers. How many novels are there really about first world poorfags from the perspective of one of them?

>> No.11313091

>>11313028
>I'd rather take some nutjobs terrible word vomit about what it's like to be a rum addicted island tranny than someone's well structured exercise in typicality and mediocrity

So you'd rather read some caribbean dude's Facebook feed - now available in paperback - than Madame Bovary?

Like the other anon said, good form trumps everything

>> No.11313122

>>11311879
she's kinda right, you know

>> No.11313149

>>11312170
Why even take hormones? Just put on a wig and say you identify as a woman or gender fluid or queer? What can they do about it?

>> No.11313179

im more interested as to why she cares about saying anything at all lol i mean she's already a published author. like if i was published i'd give fuck all what else is getting published. yeah, it's all lame most of the time but harmless.

>> No.11313239

>>11313091
The question isn't posed that way though. You can always read Madame Bovary and countless of other similar books, while Caribbean dude's facebook isn't available as a novel. Publishers are businesses, hence need to go for new markets with fresh products to expand. Which is tricky if you have basically the same people writing the same stories, since they usually lack the experiences for anything else.

Also what's with the false premise that the Caribbean guys stuff will not have a great form either way? It's less likely to be painting by numbers, which sounds like a decent start.

>>11313179
The realisation that she only got her chance to get published because of her class and skin colour and not necessary because of merit triggered her ego. Which at least suggests that she cares about her craft, as any writer should.

>> No.11313540

>>11313001
There are no unique perspectives in general. It's not like we're at a paucity of gay or female narratives in literature.

>> No.11314257

bump

>> No.11314333

Books are already diverse. All a writer has to do is be worth publishing and submit it to be published. If nobody publishes it, it isn't good. I don't even get "putting diversity in books" as a thing. It's there. Books are from every country, culture, race and walk of life already. This honestly does just sound like a way to push the political flavor of the month into books to make short-term financial gains, not that you can't buy books like this from your local campus right now anyway.

>> No.11314360

>>11312180
>tfw I took a unisex hispanic pen name
necessary I guess

>> No.11314364

Has anyone ever been dabbed on as hard as Sherman Alexie was by Yi-Fen Chou?

>> No.11314372

>>11311833
>sjw fags
Please have sex, virgin.

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>>11311833
Because that's what's good for jews and bad for whites.

>> No.11314385

>>11311833
I was wondering when you guys were gonnna pick up on this. She was dropped by a swedish lefty publisher for her problematic way of ’writing about immigrants’

>> No.11314389

>>11314385
Well, the market has spoken hasn't it?

>> No.11314397

>>11311833
Yoh can't really market to /pol/types because they don't read so start pandering to them and any publisher in his right mind drops you immediately because he's afraid of losing his audience that doesn't like being associated to nazibaiting snowflakes

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>>11312017

>"it's been proven that mpre diverse workforce foster a more innovative results"

That's wrong though.

>> No.11314532

>>11314522
Prove it

>> No.11314538

>>11311833
Haven't you been paying attention to what happened with the Hugo Awards? It was completely taken over by SJWs and they started giving out awards based solely on whether the author was a minority or now. I'm not even kidding. It took a group called the "Sad Puppies" to actually get some decent sci-fi nominated and even then they got overruled by the SJW committee

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/aug/21/hugo-awards-winners-nk-jemisin-sad-rabid-puppies

Notice anything about a woman? Why award "best sci-fi" to a good author when you could give it to a stronk black woman who don't need no man?

What a fucking joke.

>> No.11314546

>“alienate the very women we are trying to support”

'appeal' would have been more honest

>> No.11314550

>>11314538
>It took a group called the "Sad Puppies" to actually get some decent sci-fi nominated
lol they nominated pure shit that any jemisin book is better than (and I don't even like a third of what she wrote)
sad puppies are literal racists that got triggered by other people existing

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>>11311833
is this butterfly in 20 years

>> No.11314554

>>11311833
I'm willing to bet her writing is shit in itself though

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>>11314550
>lol they nominated pure shit
>sad puppies are literal racists
You're cancerous left wing trash, fuck off.

>> No.11314564

>>11314538
I like how you forgot to mention Teddy "spray with with acid lmao" had a thousand /pol/tards vote the shitty books he approved of or were published by his housr including one written by an anonymous dude that started trolling that fag online. He tapped in that gaymergayte market that all radical faggots online tap into: barely literate, idiotic, 24/7 online NEETs that are permabutthurt about everything.

>> No.11314568

>>11314561
>neonazi
>anime

You're living parodies of yourselves.

>> No.11314570

>>11314538
>gets rekt by gurm and scalzi

Lmao pathetic

>> No.11314572

>>11314564
That isn't even how the Hugo's work, do you have brain damage?

>> No.11314573

>>11314572
How do they work cocksuck?

>> No.11314576

>>11314570
Jesus Anon If your gonna samefag at least make an attempt to hide it.

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>>11314568
>Being against identity politics makes you a neo-nazi
You've lost all sense of perspective. Awards should go to the best author, not the person who gets the most points in the oppression olympics. Giving people awards over other more deserving people because of their skin color is the literal definition of racism.

>> No.11314580

>>11313540
That's just wrong, every perspective is unique, some just differ a lot less from the stuff we already got.

>It's not like we're at a paucity of gay or female narratives in literature.
These tend to be pretty narrow, specially the faggots often focus too much on their gayness, and it's often from the middle class. How many working class gay main characters are there where their gayness isn't a overly emphasised? As for females, there is definitely some variety but mostly for white middle class ones, and sometimes an obviously middle or upper class writer attempting the working class perspective and missing the point. Though the whole diversity thing usually doesn't include white females as "new" either way.

I don't get why so many miss the crucial as fuck class diversity, which includes crackers, even white male ones.

>> No.11314581

>>11311833
I've been noticing that a lot of modern novels pander to women. Is this because reading is a womanly activity?

>> No.11314583

>>11314577
Care to post any proof?

>> No.11314584
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>>11314564
Leftypol please fuck off

>> No.11314586

>>11314577
>Awards should go to the best author
That's not how it ever worked.

>> No.11314590

She should've asked her manager why they publish diversity, It's mostly for tax purposes, they almost never pay off their advances allowing to company to report a loss despite not actually losing anything, it looks fucking awesome on the quarterly.

>> No.11314591

>>11314583
What? That her book was shit and Seveneves should've won? It's called reading, you should try it some time.

>> No.11314593

>>11314577
yeah the guy who called a black woman a half-savage and a monkey isn't a racist at all, and neither are you, the guy running interference for him by praising the utter shit that he got nominated with his little stunt

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>>11311879

Conversations like these are useless without naming specific titles. Which book got attention that didn't deserve it? Which book got unfairly overlooked as a result?

>> No.11314602

Literature is one of the few fields where discrimination should not be possible because pen names exist. In fact white people and women have long used pen names to overcome the discriminatory attitudes of the reading public. See people like "Grey Owl" and "Yi-Fen Chou". People get mad as FUCK when white people dupe them like this though because it exposes them as racist shallow fools who bought a book because of what they thought the authors skin color was.

There are few places in the world where racism against white people is more clear than in the literary world because white people regularly try to pretend to be other races, but other races never try to pretend to be white people. Everybody knows why, and that's because if you're white you're not as attractive of an author because of your race.

I love this woman, and fuck these racist to the core judges who considered themselves enlightened anti-racists because they pander to black people because they think that's what opposing racism means. I have no idea how SJWs do not implode into a vortex of their own cognitive dissonance.

>> No.11314605

>>11314593
Niggers are savages and monkeys but that's besides the point. They shouldn't be winning awards unless they merit them.

>> No.11314611

>>11314591
Solid proof

>> No.11314613

>>11314605
Meanwhile the Nazis aren't savages and monkeys, right.

>> No.11314615

>It was initiated in 2013 by author Larry Correia by means of a voting bloc to get his own novel nominated
AHAHAHAHAHA, like everything these people do, it's a grift

>> No.11314616

>>11314613
They're Germans. They have a bloodthirsty nature to them.

>> No.11314618

>>11314611
What proof would satisfy you that the she-boons book was mediocre and she only won it because the judges want to virtue signal? Because actually reading the book should be enough really, but you seem like you've taken big gulps of the left wing "diversity is our strength! fuck white people!" kool aid so you probably just read books written by nig nogs and pat yourself on the back about how you're so enlightened anyway

>> No.11314619

>>11314616
And the American ones have a permavirgin butthurt nature to them.

>> No.11314621

>>11314618
Lmao.

>> No.11314626

>>11314602
>In fact white people and women have long used pen names to overcome the discriminatory attitudes of the reading public. See people like "Grey Owl" and "Yi-Fen Chou"
peak dishonesty, women have used pen names, but not fucking Yi-Fen Ching Chong, it was James Tiptree and C. J. Cherryh AKA names that sounded male
and no, the fact that you have an example of a woman that used an ethnic name as a pseudonym up your sleeve doesn't make her anything more than an exception

>> No.11314627

>>11314605
Anon, why are you arguing with somebody whose read the script but didn't read the background information?

>Him: The Hugo award is a popularity contest
>Also him: A author who couldn't even quit her day job and had to resort to internet begging is more popular than Stephenson or Butcher

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>>11314621
>Can't muster a response
Back to plebbit buddy

>> No.11314633

>>11314627
lol can't even set up a "logic own" without straight up fabricating one of the premises (the first one, in case you're too dumb to figure it out)

>> No.11314636

>>11314626
Do you post on Something Awful

>> No.11314637

>>11312041
>Lmao that reads like a typical neckbearded /pol/ post.

Almost like those /pol/ posts aren't just written by this imaginary neckbeard figure you created

>> No.11314638

>>11314626
Yeah, that's precisely what I was getting at. Otherwise I would have just said "White people used pen names", not "White people and women". Why do you think I would specifically mention Women if I wasn't alluding to the fact they change their names to Male?

Women have long been discriminated against in the literary world especially by young boys who hate reading books by girls because they have cooties. That's part of why J. K. Rowling has such an androgynous pen name.

I'm not going to just parrot /pol/ and claim men are always oppressed in every single venue. I don't mind these publishers efforts to help women so much as I loathe them for trying to discriminate in favor of non-whites when white people are discriminated against.

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>>11314580
>That's just wrong, every perspective is unique

>> No.11314641

>>11314532
Study for this kind of things basically say
"The most sucessful society are diverse"

This is obvious though. The bigger ypur society the more diverse it's going to be as it recruit more people.

What you'll need to do is to take a bunch of people with about the same levels of skills and check out how they work together and see if the more diverse group do better. But doing this take much more effort as you need to define skills, diversity, get people, define what they are going to work on and probably a bunch of other things.

>> No.11314650

>>11314637
Fair point. A huge part of /pol/ is still too young to grow beards.

>> No.11314654

>>11314641
And even though its blatantly true since we live in a PC shitshow any study that would come to the conclusion that non-whites lower performance would be immediately shut down and discounted

>> No.11314655

>>11314638
>trying to discriminate in favor of non-whites
For fucks sake.

>>11312925
>not only those from minority groups, but white working-class voices too

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>>11314638
>young boys who hate reading books by girls because they have cooties.
>mfw people repeat this claim

>> No.11314665

>>11314638
so you were conflating two phenomena, one of which was huge (women taking on male pseudonyms) and another which is miniscule by comparison in order to make the second look widespread
that makes you even more dishonest, because it shows that you know what the real deal is and are mischaracterizing it on purpose

>> No.11314667

>>11314655
>For fucks sake.
Giving out awards based on diversity points rather than literary merit is doing exactly that no matter how you try to spin it. So is publishing books based on whether the authors tick an arbitrary number of diversity boxes, like Penguin was caught doing by Shriver.

>> No.11314675

>>11314638
I don't read books with women's names on the cover because they're almost always bad, one must be strategic in your reading

>> No.11314682

>>11314675
Same senpai, I still haven't read Ada Palmer because I can't trust recommendations involving women authors on /lit/ any more.

>> No.11314684

>>11314667
How the fuck is it anti-white when whites benefit from it?

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>>11314665
No, I wasn't trying to make a point about how widespread the practice of race swapping pen names is compared to women authors using pen names. I was making a point of how often people race swap from white to non-white than from non-white to white.

I tried to drop in that I recognized women were discriminated against as well to make it clearer I was not just simply parroting /pol/ talking points. That was the my intent behind mentioning that women were discriminated against.

>>11314684
>Whites benefit from quotas that limit the amount of white authors

Really activates my almonds.

>> No.11314703

>>11314654
Well, tp be fair there is plenty of non-white groupe better than the average white dude.

For exemple africains immigrant and their childs tend to do better than average in america at least.

>> No.11314704

>>11314684
How do whites benefit by losing out on awards because they aren't "diverse" enough? Or passed over by a publisher because they're no a transgender demi-queer catkin? It's a zero sum game. For everyone who gets awarded or published without merit there is someone who did merit it but didn't receive anything. Typically the ones getting published without merit are the ones who get published to meet the diversity quota, the ones missing out are whites. You're being deliberately obtuse if you don't acknowledge this.

>> No.11314709

>>11314703
The immigrants do, their children do not. By the virtue of how genetics work a high IQ individual from a low IQ race will see their children return to the genetic mean (70 IQ in the case of Africans)

>> No.11314712

>>11314703
Because those immigrants are the top 1% of their country. Hardly representative of their native population.

>> No.11314713

>>11314695
>I was making a point of how often people race swap from white to non-white than from non-white to white
OK, so what are the race-swapping rates, show your work

>> No.11314715

>>11312114
>everything worth writing has been written
The most pleb opinion in existence, the human experience is being affected by the greatest changes in human history, we are in unprecedented territory. You are simply too stupid to realize this with your pseudo-conservative attitude.

>>11312205
The left can get away with this cause the right has basically given up on fostering any artistic endeavors in their members. Just look at all the ignorant idiots in this thread. They actively discourage any creativity because "everting good's been written already." They are more concerned with "preserving" the status of some nearly irrelevant Greek texts instead of promoting artists in their ranks. Just look at how conservative parents treat their children who want to be artists or sociologists. They practically drive them into the arms of the left.

>> No.11314717

>>11314709
>the genetic mean (70 IQ in the case of Africans)
lol

>> No.11314724

>>11314709
Their children actually do because their parents are smarts and they grow in a favorable culture.

>>11314712
New groupes and ethnicity are created over time, socially but also genetically. Unless you believe groupes are eternally fixed in times and never change.

Claiming white supremacy is just as retarded as claiming diversity matter.

>> No.11314732

>>11314695
>Whites benefit from quotas that limit the amount of white authors
What the fucking fuck are you even talking about? The whole diversity push is just a motivation for people from different backgrounds to attempt publishing, basically a "majority of literature didn't care about you and shit seemed hopeless but now we do now, give it a try!" and again, to count as "diverse" you don't have to be a tranny black quadruple amputee, just being a working class cracker qualifies and most whites are in this group already. All that really changed is that now your query doesn't get trashed right away if you're not a middle class white male.

>>11314704
>awards
Godfuckingdamnit. These are given for publisher dicksucking the jury since like ever. The whole "it's diverse" is just used as a justification to give the award to the work that was pushed the most, if it weren't they come up with shit about the prose or sick metaphors. The only awards won on merit are the sporting ones, since you actually have to win them and not awarded by a biased club of people jerking each other off.

>> No.11314734

>>11314713
I lack empirical evidence of how much this happens both ways.

All I can say is I sure have seen several examples of White Authors changing their pen name to something Ethnic and becoming smash hits. I've never seen it happen the other way around once. I'll also bring up Araki Yasusada as a third example.

>> No.11314738

>>11314715
>Just look at how conservative parents treat their children who want to be artists or sociologists. They practically drive them into the arms of the left.
That's called caring for your Children's future, It's almost like they don't want them to live in poverty.

>> No.11314739

>>11314724
>New groupes and ethnicity are created over time, socially but also genetically
IQ is tied to genetics and some groups are worse than others.

>> No.11314742

>>11314715
>Just look at how conservative parents treat their children who want to be artists or sociologists. They practically drive them into the arms of the left.
To be fair does any parent want their child being a sociologist? Talk about a useless degree, the whole field is completely worthless, only 30% of peer reviewed papers results can actually be replicated.

>> No.11314744

>>11314732
Your query never got trashed if you weren't a middle class white male you discord trannie.

>>11314739
Yeah and it also evolve with time, or do you believe humans popped up with their genetic potential already limited ?

>> No.11314746

>>11314734
>I sure have seen several examples of White Authors changing their pen name to something Ethnic and becoming smash hits.
Post some with proofs.

>> No.11314750

>>11314746
I posted three names, I listed one in my last post. Goddamned this is 4chan I can't be arsed to defend my argument more strongly than I already have when this thread will be gone in less than 24hr.

>> No.11314752

>>11314734
>I'll also bring up Araki Yasusada as a third example.
I'll give you Jason Pargin as a fourth example.

>> No.11314769

>>11314744
>Yeah and it also evolve with time

Like tens of thousands of years at a minimum. African PhD holding immigrants don't just breed with other African PhD holders and even if they did the genetic mean still takes hold due to how DNA assembles together

>> No.11314774

>>11314769
amateur biology seems to be a popular pastime in certain circles

>> No.11314785

>>11314774
A friend of mine is literally a genetic scientist, I've spoken with him on this topic thoroughly as it is a deep interest of mine

>> No.11314808

>>11314785
>as it is a deep interest of mine
I don't doubt it is

>> No.11314811

>>11314738
>>11314742
How do entire fields become havens for the left? Because pseudo-conservatives (losers) don't give a shit about actually preserving anything, they don't even understand what they are trying to conserve. You don't have to be an unemployed loser if you study sociology, it can be a side project. Just look at PLEASUREMAN, a guy who does IT work writing some of the most insightful sociological analyses in the modern times. Where is he published? On his own forum. (MPCdot.com for those interested.)

Even now pseudocons say they care about their children's future while ignoring the immense social change that will affect and in most cases deform them.

>> No.11314850

>>11314811
>Just look at PLEASUREMAN, a guy who does IT work writing some of the most insightful sociological analyses in the modern times.
kys

>> No.11314855

>>11314811
Are you suggesting the fags that /pol/post on an Estonian Fox Fucking Forum will ever have children?

>> No.11314860

>>11314750
>Araki Yasusada
>no proof about identity
>no proof that they would sell more if they had a white name

>Grey Owl
He was basically RPing all his life. There is zero proof the name gave him any advantages.

>Hudson
We only got his claim and it was rejected under the pseudonym too couple times, at best it gave his work a second look.
Now since this is the only example who somewhat helps your point, let's expand, shall we?

>pretends to offer a new perspective
>gets into a market saturated by white males this way
It's just a smart business decision from the publisher since people are sick more white male ramblings just like they got tired of paranormal romances after the Twilight hype was gone. His work might had merit on it's own but it wasn't enough to stand out without the right brand for the author. If your competition are 1000 white males with the same background, you need something to stand out, like not being a white male, or like being a white male from an unusual background, or at least be a fag. Even Marvel can't get away selling the same story over and over again and change their shitty superheroes a bit.

>> No.11314861

>>11314850
He's right though

>> No.11314865

>>11314811
Imagine being this faggot

>> No.11314869

>>11314861
He's not, there is no such thing as a """pseudo-conservative""". That's a clear bullshit word

>> No.11314875

>>11314865
>hey man maybe you shouldn't close yourself off to everything you don't understand thus leaving your opposition as the only player at the table
>fuck you REEEEEEE

You are pathetic beyond words

>> No.11314879

>>11311833
Who gives a shit. Literature is dead. Just read old books.

>> No.11314881

>>11314855
Obviously most of them are losers who won't ever touch a boob but there are so fucking many /pol/aks and idiots with similar beliefs, and some are just mentally deficient, not completely insane, so it really not that unlikely. Also low class women have pretty low standards either way.

>> No.11314887

>>11314869
Trumpist seem like perfect example. Would a real conservative not mind if their daddy was cheating on their wives?

>> No.11314888

>>11314869
You're a pseudoconservative because you only parade as a conervative on internet forums to trigger people you don't agree with. Conservatives don't post on anime forums about how conservative they are.

>> No.11314892

>>11314869
Not really. He's clearly referring to "conservatives" who actually aren't interested in conserving anything. They make up the majority of the Republican party and they're all cynical opportunists whose only guiding principle is to enrich themselves at the cost of others. Their interest in retaining traditional values and family structures starts and ends with how many votes they can gain by appealing to people who are concerned with how western culture is warping into this amoral morass of consumerism and self-centeredness.

>> No.11314899

>>11314881
It's the dumb breeding with the dumb, always has been this way, always will be. The average /pol/ip is too inept to interact with people IRL however, unlike a drunken hick.

>> No.11314903

>>11314811
>look at PLEASUREMAN, a guy who does IT work
Totally doesn't sound like a loser.

>> No.11314915

>>11314881
>>11314899
Stop pretending you are any better. It's embarrassing.

>> No.11314917

>>11314887
Or being unable to quote one Bible verse.

>> No.11314922

>>11314899
They are growing up in a generation where online interactions are VERY common. Wouldn't be surprised if some social retard manages to impress another with his pepe and jew-facts collection, only to meet up, get drunk and forget protection. Of course most will die alone but their numbers ensure that quite a few will pass their deficient genes.

>> No.11314923

>>11314887
If the alternative is unbridled illegal immigration, probably not.

>> No.11314927

>>11314915
Is there really a bar much lower? I guess you could also be an incel but there is a decent intersectionality either way.

>> No.11314929

>>11314887
>>11314888
>le no true Scotsman

Conservatism is a set of political beliefs not a lifestyle brand. I don't call myself a conservative though I'm a reactionary

>> No.11314933

>>11311879
then how come I cant get published you smug cunt?
>suddenly remember my name is a fucking compilation of the most anglo and norwegian fucking names in existence

>> No.11314935

>>11314892
>He's clearly referring to "conservatives" who actually aren't interested in conserving anything.

Not interested in conserving ANYTHING? Stop using retard language. Its a bullshit term because it doesn't actually describe anything and can be applied to anyone one feels like

>> No.11314937

>>11314923
Yes anon, the only 2 options are letting 300 godzillion migrants in or having a functionally illiterate troll in power.

>> No.11314938

>>11311879
the hero we need

>> No.11314942

>>11314903
He's self-employed, one of the most desired things you can be.

>>11314887
>>11314917
>not cheating on wife and being unable to quote the bible means you can't be conservative
Donald Trump is doing more to conserve a healthy American lifestyle for average citizens than any child molesting, secretary fucking, bible quoting pseudo-conservative intellectual of the last 70 years.

>>11314865
>>11314850
Pray present your arguments my esteemed conservative equals!

>> No.11314946

>>11314937
>functionally illiterate troll in power.
Why the fuck wouldn't you want this regardless?

>> No.11314948

>>11314937
When the vote is between him and Hillary it is. The democrats have an active political stake in letting in as much immigrants as possible, its pretty much their only plan for consistent reelection since the rest of their policies are garbo

>> No.11314951

>>11314892
This is exactly what I meant

>> No.11314955

>>11314929
The beliefs have to be somewhat consistent. Droning on about the greatness of monogamy and then supporting a person who doesn't respect it makes no fucking sense. It's like being a pro-life and having an abortion every year.

>> No.11314957

>>11314927
>Is there really a bar much lower?
m8, you can go far lower. /pol/ isn't even particularly bad by 4chan standards.

>> No.11314958

>>11314951
Then maybe use a not dumb person term to describe it

>> No.11314959

>>11311879
>This white woman said something that appeals with my view points and not those of the EBIL ESSJAYDOUBLEUUU and makes me feel safe! Based!!!

>> No.11314962
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In the world concocted by the liberal media elite minorities are not rewarded based on skill or merit but on identity.
The same reason a nigger with a college degree is still a nigger.
Liberals just hand them these things.
White men can not make art consciously about their identity as a white male unless its some self flagellating liberal tripe.
Art created by white men will always be of a higher order because they cant rely on their identity

>> No.11314964

>>11314955
>The beliefs have to be somewhat consistent

No, they really don't. I can hate the society we live in and still live pragmatically by its codes

>> No.11314965

>>11314957
Their dullness is hard to beat. There are boards with even dumber people for sure but none really has the bot-vibe, where the bot gets triggered by keywords and repeats the same shit over and over and over again.

>> No.11314972

>>11314935
Yes, I apologize, they are interested in preserving their donor's money, and by extension the same donations that fund their hedonistic beltway lifestyle, how didn't I recognize that as something fundamental to the (pseudo)-conservative Ethos. The term applies to every writer for National Review, except ironically to their gay Negro film critic who's the only writer they have.

>>11314958
Do you prefer cuckservative, I realize it's probably more accurate considering their sexual disfunction.

>> No.11314976

how long before books by people not fitting that kind of criteria, past present and future are banned outright

>> No.11314981

>>11314964
This works for personal beliefs, not so well for political ones. Otherwise basically anyone could call themselves anything.

"I want open boarders, gun control, complete separation between religion and the state, more female representation in congress but also only want to marry muh waifu and pay lower taxes, also black people scare me, I am soo conservative lol"

>> No.11314984

>>11314972
>Do you prefer cuckservative

Yes, its genuinely more descriptive

>> No.11314990

>>11314984
I don't understand your complaint with the other word. It's accurate, do you have autism?

>> No.11315003
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>tfw dont have the money to start my own publishing company based entirely on merit

>> No.11315023

>>11315003
>don't own my own publishing company surviving off the translations of obscure but intelligent German and French thinkers
>tfw don't work in small bookstore where I can impress qts with my German

>> No.11315033

>>11314976
Publish it your own self loser.

>> No.11315050

>>11315023
It's a nasty fucking language.

t. German

>> No.11315054

>>11311879
based

>> No.11315064

>>11315050
lol a self hating German cuck, what an unpleasant unsurprise

>> No.11315076

>>11315050
>It's a nasty fucking language.

>t. German
t. frog

>> No.11315085

>>11315064
>valid criticism shared by anyone who understands the language
>MUH SELF-LOATHING and MUH KEK MEME in one package
This is embarrassing, mate. You're basically the equivalent of a weebo.

>>11315076
At least frog-speech has periods when it sounds nice. German only works for philosophy, manuals and maybe angry Volksreden.

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>>11315050
ugh yes germany needs more diversity and the beauty of other cultures our society is so functional and boring and ugly

>> No.11315117

>>11315090
Calm down, Fritz. We're talking about the language here. If you pissed yourself again because Murat looked at you, bitch about it on /pol/.

>> No.11315149

>>11312233
mm, false

>> No.11315162

>>11314990
>It's accurate

Its not, any conservative can be called a pseudo-conservative depending on your own loaded idea of what conservatism is

>> No.11315172

>>11313001
>I judge authors based on the group they belong to rather than their individual qualities and creative abilities
If you actually read you would know why lumping all "middle class white males" togethers is nonsensical. You disgust me.

>> No.11315176

>>11315162
Just don't be so relative bro, there's a clear implication that the word "conservative" implies conserving something. Most likely cultural institutions of one's people. If you are far away from this as most pseudocons are the name can be applied easily.

>> No.11315187

>>11315176
I'm just prepared for some Leftypol faggot to start calling me a "pseudo-conservative" because you can't be against tranny teachers if you don't live like a Quaker

>> No.11315190

>>11315187
Why would you be against trans teachers?

>> No.11315191

>>11315190
Because they're disgusting and mentally ill

>> No.11315203

>>11315190
Because they clearly have severe mental issues and shouldn't be allowed around children period? I mean is this really a contentious issue? People who wake up one day, decide they're a woman and make plans to chop their dick off are not people you want as role models for your kids.

>> No.11315214

>>11315203
>People who wake up one day, decide they're a woman
this is what we're dealing with, folks
this is the level of stupidity that the right-wing feeds on

>> No.11315220

>>11315190
Trannies should be shot dead on the streets

>> No.11315230

>>11315220
Cute transsexuals should be forcefully hugged and cuddled.

>> No.11315232

>>11315214
not him but why are you even on a board about /lit/ if you dont know what hyperbole is
trans people have a mental illness and should not be teachers

>> No.11315244

>>11315232
Says who?

>> No.11315245

>>11315172
>I don't care about the experiences of the writer and would take a seven year old boy writing from the perspective of a demented granny seriously
Obviously in the end it's all about the actual work but the writers experiences are bound to affect it and even the very best struggle to create an authentic portrayal of something beyond it. More often than not, it's a difference between a Hollywood horror movie and real footage from the cellphone of a killer. And sure, there is nothing wrong with the former either way, but for me the obviously fake stuff is just jarring and reads like fantasising of a teen boy about how periods feel.

Also all the white middle class male shit generally feels so familiar, even when they do tell completely different stories with completely different characters in completely different ways. There is something about the middle class drudgery that kills the soul of the artist.

>> No.11315248

>>11311988
Fuck off to /litpat/ you leftycuck

>> No.11315252

>>11315248
That nigga sounded like a liberal.

>> No.11315254

>>11312040
There's a difference between being a leftist and a liberal. Liberals are faggots. Soon enough you'll be reading "Combat Liberalism" by Mao and posting on /litpat/.

>> No.11315255

>>11315244
me nigga

>> No.11315259

>>11315252
Cuckchan poltards can't tell the difference.
See >>11315254

>> No.11315260

>>11315232
>hyperbole
oh sure, it's hyperbole

>> No.11315261

>>11315190
because we should not encourage mentally unstable people to teach others obviously

>> No.11315262

>>11315244
Trannies have a suicide rate of like 40%, poster saying they should be shot in the streets is correct. This isnt real, it's just part of the jewish culture warp agenda of normalizing the abnormal, they were doing the same thing in Germany before they got dealt with, as they're about to be again. It's forced propaganda, don't be naive and think it's in any way real. These jews are fucking with you and trying to poison people's minds because they are sick and destructive.

>> No.11315267

>>11315085
Self-hatred is not "valid criticism".

>> No.11315272

>>11315248
Fuck off to your containment board, boot licker.

>> No.11315273

>>11315262
vulnerable people commit suicide, who could've thunk it

>> No.11315278

>>11315262
You'll get far in life.

>> No.11315281

>>11315273
Not complaining. The issue is the jews trying to normalize it to children and making people who are already fucked up even more fucked up.

>> No.11315282

Instead of deconstruction gender, why not deconstruct yourself with a bullet and end your misery?

>> No.11315283

>>11315262
What's with /pol/tards obsession to make life harder for people who already have it pretty hard? Can't you hate the Juice all on their own merit instead of going for vulnerable people?

>> No.11315284

>>11315262
At least back up you schyzoid claims.

>> No.11315287
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>> No.11315288

>>11315284
Lmao, do you understand what kind of schizo paranoid retardation you're dealing with?

>> No.11315289

>>11315283
The only vulnerable people in this situation are children. If you want to be a fucked up sex weirdo go do it in some AIDS riddled cesspit where you belong

>> No.11315292

>>11315267
Did this sound like a good response in your head or did you just gave up making a point?

>> No.11315296

>>11315289
But what if you send them to black and Jewish schools?

>> No.11315297

>>11315283
If you deconstruct all value hierarchies and classifcations you will end up with incredibly savage fascism, enjoy I guess.

>> No.11315298

>>11314532
Japan.

>> No.11315300

>>11315283
These people are the weak. Coddling and normalizing them makes society weak, which is why an alien group like jews promotes such a thing. And it's this weakness and the agents catalyzing it that are destroying the west.

>> No.11315301

>>11315296
Dunno about Jewish schools but AIDS ridden cesspit covers black schools

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>>11315287

>> No.11315315

>>11315287
Doing Gods work Anon
Jews and Liberals are using mentally ill people as a cynical tool in social engineering and its disgusting. People are dying because they hate femininity

>> No.11315325

>>11315287
>pointing all the regret posts in the middle
>ignoring that the person ended up with mixed feelings
How the fuck can you manage to base your entire point on the experience of a single tranny AND STILL FUCKING MISS TO MAKE THE POINT. This is seriously stunning. Or are you really stupid enough to expect a person could change sex and wake up like nothing happened the next day?

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>>11314605
>claims to be against identity politics and not a neo-nazi
>says neo nazis thing
huh... that really makes me think

>> No.11315333

>>11315325
i didnt even post anything with it, for all you know i agree with you
you are a very hostile person

>> No.11315336

>>11315315
>it's the obligatory "jooce are why I don't have a gf" post

>> No.11315338

>>11315292
>It's a nasty fucking language.
Does this sound like "valid criticism" to you?

>> No.11315342

>>11315325
He didn't change sex he mutilated himself
into a superficial mockery of a woman. Then after sustained ideological reinforcement from his echo chamber social circle he was left miserably accepting his crippled state pending his likely suicide

>> No.11315346

>>11315333
Oh, my apologies. Please do elaborate while you found an image that basically doesn't say a thing worth posting.

>> No.11315349

>>11315336
>no goyim, no woman for you until you accept

Nice try Schlomo

>> No.11315350

>>11315342
Yeah it sounds like without his family and fellow cultists telling him he's stunning and brave he'd have offed himself already.

>> No.11315354

>>11315338
Does German sound like a valid language to you?

>> No.11315355

You guys are wrong. It has very little to do with progressive ideological crap. It's simply what the market wants. Just like how everyone is releasing battle royale video games now that fortnite found its success.

>> No.11315357

>>11315354
Did this sound like a good response in your head or did you just gave up making a point?

>> No.11315359

>>11315349
I'm fucking dying here.

>> No.11315364

>>11315357
As flattered as I am by imitation ... no anon, you can't pass with blatant plagiarism. Consider giving it another try.

>> No.11315367

>>11315364
Okay let me try.
You're a fuckhead.

>> No.11315369

>>11314892
Isn't that what conservatives do? :^)

For real I can't think of any actual conservatives save for Peter Hitchens

>>11314984
it is also ironic since it was what /pol/ called every other candidate except Trump for the GOP nominee

>> No.11315374

>>11315367
Ah yes, sincere, impotent rage, that's more like it!

>> No.11315380

I just want a trans gf to suck my dick, why can't leftists realise my aggressive comments are a type of flirting due to sexual frustration.

>> No.11315394

>>11315380
Tbqh spergs who can't express their feelings and read feelings of others are a serious problem, especially when it comes to sexual harassment, since most lack the means to understand the implications of their behaviour.

>> No.11315399

>>11315380
I too wish that leftists have telepathy that works even beyond the electronics

>> No.11315402

The whole world has been turned into dumb politics. Specifically, the politics of “muh racism”. Hate whitey, I’m oppressed, Gibbs me dat. I don’t give a hoot, and it’s boring. And they can’t write for crap.

Literature should only be about its aesthetic merit, always.

>> No.11315403

>>11315394
I wonder what % of /pol/acks are incels.

>> No.11315406

>>11315402
And who judges what's good or not?

>> No.11315410

>>11315406

A judge, based on the artistic value of the book. Not it’s politics etc.

>> No.11315414

>>11315374
Come on, why don't you calm down, go out for a walk, go to the nearest joint and get yourself some kebab, I assure you won't have to speak any of this gnarly german there.

>> No.11315431

>>11315414
I'd still have to endure the terrible German of the guy selling the kebab. Cultural enrichment is sure taking its time.

>> No.11315438

>>11315410
Top kek

>> No.11315439

>>11315402
I am too, a radical centrist and a true skeptic.

>> No.11315441

>>11311879
This is simply not true. Please speak the truth. Publishers care first and foremost about the bottom line. Second, they care about the quality of a work. And third, they care about promoting the work of writers who are, let's say not "well-represented." So yes, if you have two authors whose works equality satisfy the first two requirements but one author speaks about a under-represented population, guess who is getting selected for publication....

Writing is extremely competitive. And the more competitive it is, the more criteria they are going to use in the selection process. This screed is painfully immature. And there is simply no way they could trust a person who is so obviously unreasonable to sit as a judge.

>> No.11315444

Lmao what pozzed cesspit did this thread get linked too?

>> No.11315450

>>11315439
I’m actually a white nationalist. I think diversity should be kept to politics and not the mainstay of literature.

>> No.11315452

>>11315441
She's right though.

>> No.11315457

>>11315450
By the same token, WN should be kept to politics and not literature. I detest WN review of movies and books. WN reviews of movie/books are whether then object corresponds to its ideology. Not it’s own artistic and aesthetic value. Totally worthless.

>> No.11315460

>>11315441
Nigger, do you know who runs the publishing industry? >>11314383
It's straight up anti-white propaganda now. You need to try and face reality instead of letting your Pollyannaish egalitarian ideals cloud it.

>> No.11315464

>>11315441
>And there is simply no way they could trust a person who is so obviously unreasonable to sit as a judge.
Someone who judges literature by its merits and not the colour of the authors skin? Sounds like the ideal judge.

>> No.11315465

>>11315460
Fucking based

>> No.11315484

>>11315325
Anon, he didn't change sex...
he just had a doctor mangle his dick.

>> No.11315485

>>11315452
No she is not. And you have no way of knowing this unless you are directly involved in the selection of books for publication. Does it make any sense that publishers would select books that have no chance of either drawing a profit (readability/popularity) or enhancing their reputation and prestige (quality)? You really think that publishers are going to put out books that are basically unreadable simply because the author is "oppressed" or a "minority?"

Give me break.... This lady is being ridiculous. And she should not be taken seriously precisely because she has no respect for reason or facts. She prefers to believe nonsense because it satisfies her ego. You really think they are going to trust a person like that to judge books fairly?

>> No.11315498

>>11312041
The Jew has been spotted

>> No.11315503

>>11315485
You're only attacking her because she's a woman. If she was a man you wouldn't bat an eye, but because of your misogynistic patriarchal worldview, the opinions of Lionel Shriver are deemed "less informed" and "uneducated". You got a lot of growing up to do.

>> No.11315504

>>11315464
She is unreasonable not because of the merits by which she supposedly judges a book, but because she has no respect for facts or reason. She is hysterical. Publishers care about quality and readability. She argues that they do not. And care only about the author. You tell me if this is a successful reality-based method for keeping your business afloat.

>> No.11315507

>>11315485
>You really think that publishers are going to put out books that are basically unreadable simply because the author is "oppressed" or a "minority?"
How many women buy books about being "strong and independant", how many people go on Tumblr, how many people follow minorities on Instagram to empower them, how many feminists spend money on coffee mugs that have some feminist jargon on them.

Feminism (and leftism for the majority) has been capitalised and you're too dumb to see it. All those soccer moms who buy dog shit self-help books... For all the communist jargon that is spouted out. Go on Redbubble.com, type Feminism in the box and look at how many people are making money off of your insecurities. I'd argue that feminism is the most profitable literary scene right now.

>> No.11315513

>>11315503
Try actually engaging with the substance of my arguments rather than inferring some imaginary "misogyny." I honestly hope you are a troll.

>> No.11315514

>>11315507
In this case a publisher would be stupid not to sign more authors who write stuff like that and the glory of muh free market decided that white males are obsolete.

>> No.11315516

>>11311879
>>11311886
Russians have been oppressed by anglo world for centuries, so, being one, do I get a free pass into your publuishing scene?

>> No.11315525

>>11315513
>She's hysterical
I have seen your true colours, and I find your disrespect for women abhorrent.

>> No.11315526

>>11312017
>"not because it's a box-ticking exercise or because it's the 'right thing to do', but because it matters".
Why does it matter if it's not the right thing to do?

>> No.11315530

>>11315504
Lmao caring about quality is very clearly not the way to be successful and profit. There are plenty of popular books that I would at least classify as borderline unreadable, if not because of incoherence then at least for the amount of mental pain they would cause.

>> No.11315533

>>11315514
Go on iTunes, look at the number 1. charts, you think that's public opinion?
The (((people))) in control fund the first batch of purchases to skyrocket the singles and then use the public's 75% funding to do the rest.
The 10 books aren't actually the top 10 books, more like the top 500's selects of what they want you to believe is the top 10.
We'll never know what the free market dictates unless we make intervention literally illegal.

>> No.11315537

>>11315503
Lmao. I hope this is a troll. But you certainly sound like a real-deal feminist. Hysterical, unreasonable, no substantive engagement with or appreciation of facts or reason, baseless ad hominem, and of course a good dose of righteous indignation.

>> No.11315545

>>11315525
She is hysterical. Read what she wrote. That is observation. Not judgement. I honestly hope she can engage more honestly with facts and try to see reason. What makes her hysterical is her refusal of facts and reason in favor of egotistical comfort.

>> No.11315653

>>11314715
>Just look at how conservative parents treat their children who want to be artists or sociologists.

I think you just have daddy issues

>> No.11315729

>>11314959
Pretty much. I don't know why you got a stroke though

>> No.11315737

>>11315653
If I raised a child who wanted to become a sociologist I would shoot myself. Absolute lowest form of life

>> No.11315764

>>11315545
Isn’t it strange how the best books of any given year also corresponds to the current ethic, age, disability, mental illness, race breakdown?

Must be divine literature intervention

>> No.11315776

>>11315485
This is true. But I think what people are objecting to is the assumption that between works of similar quality, the publisher will choose the caribbean tranny. And because of trends, these books legitimately can be of a lower quality due to their appeal and still be selected over something of a better quality because it doesn't hit U.S.-centric diversity boxes. Just sounds like a bad policy.

>> No.11315793

>>11315737
It wouldn't be in a healthy white society. The issue is the field has been jewed Lewontin/Gould style, meaning open conversation about race is disallowed, so it's like trying to be an astronomer without a telescope. There's no way for it to be anything other than a total farce because it's literally denying obvious realities about people/human difference, and how these are explicitly white people endeavors to begin with. It wasn't always like that, it only became like that after jews were allowed to infest the institutions.

>> No.11315805

>>11315776
Shriver is complaining that publisher are trying to hit statistical targets that mirror the populations age, ethnicity etc.

Im essence, affirmative action. Not literally, preferring ethnic authors, for works of similar quality. Which is lamentable, but more justified.

What the publishers want is abhorrent. It is publishing authors simply to hit quotas regardless of whether they are worthy. Publishing will be primarily based on statistical targets, not literary merit

>> No.11315807

>>11315793
I think even then its a useless degree, all it qualifies you for is shitposting on a forum.
Society is not a legitimate object of serious study

>> No.11315814

>>11315805
>What the publishers want is abhorrent. It is publishing authors simply to hit quotas regardless of whether they are worthy. Publishing will be primarily based on statistical targets, not literary merit
What is most interesting is that this is culturally tenable economically.

>> No.11315837

>>11315807
I disagree. As an ideal there would be a lot to learn about how societies are organized, maybe in conjunction with evolutionary psychology or other fields, but all of these soft science fields (psychology, sociology, anthropology) have been mangled and destroyed in the jewish anti-racist/post-WWII era. They have to deny and alter reality so they are an absolute joke and I agree, as is, do little or nothing to justify their continued existence.

>> No.11315840

>>11315837
>As an ideal there would be a lot to learn about how societies are organized, maybe in conjunction with evolutionary psychology or other fields

But thats exactly the problem, these other fields already exist. Sociology adds nothing to them and is only useful as a tool of social engineering

>> No.11315846

>>11311833
>Why is the literary community 99 % sjw fags and pseuds?

high iq academics

>> No.11315853

>>11315837
>evolutionary psychology
tarot for "intelligent" people

>> No.11315874
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>>11311833
>Shriver, a UK-based American writer who won the 2005 Orange prize for We Need to Talk About Kevin, made headlines after dismissing Penguin Random House’s goal to have a more diverse staff and author list by 2025 as a sign that the publisher was “drunk on virtue”.

>“From now until 2025, literary excellence will be secondary to ticking all those ethnicity, gender, disability, sexual preference and crap-education boxes,” she wrote. “We can safely infer from that email that if an agent submits a manuscript written by a gay transgender Caribbean who dropped out of school at seven and powers around town on a mobility scooter, it will be published, whether or not said manuscript is an incoherent, tedious, meandering and insensible pile of mixed-paper recycling.”

Is she, dare I say it, /ourgal/?

>> No.11316135

>>11311833
>Why is the literary community 99 % sjw fags and pseuds?

because reading and writing is for the weak and insecure

>> No.11316137

>>11312089
>>11315874

>> No.11316139

>>11312041
Worthless non-human

>> No.11316158

>>11313074
Who gives a fuck you bitter hack? At least we have his literature.

>> No.11316175

I want to see Lionel Shriver and Donna Tartt passionately make out. It would be a beautiful, androgynous, lesbian spectacle.

>> No.11316192

>>11312233
>nondescript ugly caucasoid
Pale hispanic guy here, this made me chortle.

>> No.11316194

>>11311886
No one will read it but everyone will talk about it and praise it to virtue signal. It’s like mein kampf in the 30s
>>11311879
Fuckin based

>> No.11316200

>>11314875
>>11314811
>>11314715
This guy is right. Conservatives complain about humanities being overrun by SJWs and lefties — and it’s true, they are — but conservatives are also the one trying to defund humanities programs and who don’t often enough go into them or encourage others or their children to go into them. You can’t have it both ways.

>> No.11316228

>>11311879
bless her

>> No.11316233

I don't get it guys, am I not allowed to believe men and women exist anymore ? This is a weird ass timeline.

>> No.11316251

>>11316200
Sociology and similar "sciences" are overrun by the left because they are inherently leftist ideas. It's based on the idea that humans are completely changeable or engineerable and this leads to them viewing things in terms of problems and solutions. Conservatives don't value those sciences because they have a fallen view mankind as having a sort of fallen nature so they view things in terms of incentives or tradeoffs and this isn't amenable to the sociological supposition that there are problems that can be solved.

I don't know where this talk about "conservatives conserving" comes from but it's complete rhetorical nonsense. Conservative is a name given to a particular worldview. It has nothing to do with "conserving" anything.

>> No.11316401

>>11315262
>they got dealt with, as they're about to be again
Lmao

>> No.11316476

>>11315117
if you dislike your mother tongue you are a traitor desu

>> No.11316728

>>11316251
>entire disciplines examining the underpinnings of society are "inherently leftist"
Rightists are just lazy, they don't do their homework and join ignorant reactionaries in their cause against... what? They can't even articulate what it is they oppose, let alone what they want to conserve. Fucking Christ, the fucking dichotomies that petrify your minds.

>conservatives have nothing to do with conserving
Lmao are you this much of a sophist? Are you fucking serious? Where do you think the name came from you moron? Holy shit, philosophers are scum, lazy scum.

>>11315653
I'm sure you think that

>> No.11317052

>>11314596
That's the thing, they can never name anything specific because they're letting their own personal identity politics get in the way of proper criticism.

>>11315355
But the free market is only supposed to pander to things I like! Otherwise, it's just commie bullshit.

>> No.11317380

>>11311833
Oh Lionel Shriver. Just heard about the guy a week ago when his book didn't get published in Sweden because his characters had "racist thoughts". Kek.