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I really hope we see a collapse of the Anglo university system within my lifetime and penalties for those who attended the most prestigious institutions.

>>11306462
I'm American but I understand how you feel entirely. After high school I attended a very prestigious and highly ranked community college. One can't help but feel a little superior to those dolts who wasted two years worth of tuition on a mediocre GPA

>Look Oxford GF I posted it again

here's an amerilard guide to college
HIGH TIER:
harvard
yale
columbia
princeton
stanford
mit
cal tech
uchicago
ACCEPTABLE TIER:
duke
upenn
dartmouth
northwestern
amherst
swarthmore
pomona
williams
bowdoin
johns hopkins
cornell
brown
OH SHIT NIGGER WHAT ARE YOU DOING TIER:
everything else

Please stop fucking responding to this shitposter.

>>11306497
Kill all the intellectuals my brothas, burn the books and behead the authors and thinkers of the world

>>11306547
>high tier
>DUDE BLACK PEOPLE LMAO factories
No

>>11306555
I'm not that radical, but intellectuals and their beloved institutions should be made to pay for the role they play in cementing our class structure. The books would be spared of course.

>>11306568
?

>>11306582
Look at the rates of affirmative action graduates from many of those high tier colleges. I should say DUDE BLACKS AND LATINOS FACTORIES LMAO

>>11306590
it's like 25% of the class. plenty of space for whites, who are explicitly favored over asians, btw.

>>11306579
Well I feel like the class structure is more apparent with the democratization of information, the "paradox of education" allows more people to be aware of social issues but I guess due to the culture in America, class is not talked about, just race and sexuality.

>>11306608
The most prestigious institutions in our country exist to groom our future leaders, provide the upper classes with extensive networking capabilities, and secure the dominance of the elite over the rest of us. It more than justifies the anti-intellectualism so common in America; the only issue with it is that it isn't radical enough.

>>11306601
25% is massively overrepresented, especially of populations that classically suffer from low educational standards

>>11306634
Anti-Academism needs to be separated from Anti-Intellectualism. We don't need a Libertarianism for stupidity.

>>11306634
So would you conclude that the majority of the reason famous and influential intellectuals come from these colleges is because of the networking and domination of the elite?
>>11306648
Similar sentiment?

>>11306639
~25% total for latino and black. actually a little underrepresented based on us demographics. regardless, my point still stands: white people arent at a big disadvantage overall since they are favored to asians just as blacks and latinos are favored to whites (up until a class is sufficiently diverse; unis dont want to drive down sat averages).

>>11306660
As
>>11306648
I'm really disinterested in the question of how academia produces celebrity or individuals of influence. I'm more concerned with how academia damages society more broadly.
There will always be shitheads at the top of a power hierarchy, that goes without saying.

>>11306670
But you admit they are disadvantaged artificially
Also I wonder how those stats would change if the illegal Latino community were deported.

>>11306555
>I'm an intellectual because my daddy paid for SAT prep courses and private school
>I'm an intellectual because I study alongside Chinese locusts who don't speak a word of English and will plagiarize and bribe their way to a degree
>I'm an intellectual because gamed the admissions office with affirmative action and legacy connections
I hope you don't think you're in any way intelligent. You're a dumbass who got scammed by a Hogwarts fantasy that never really existed. The university system is a scam that everybody including the government is using to loot the middle class. Stay tuned for the inevitable crash

>>11306601
>whites
Non-Jewish whites are the single most underrepresented ethnic group at elite institutions when you consider their share of the population and their high school academic performance. Jews are overrepresented by 1200% to parity at Harvard, for example, despite making up only 5% of the best high school students in America. Look at CalTech's demographics for a more accurate picture of academic performance by ethnic group (technical schools like CalTech and MIT have objective admission standards that can't be bought or gamed). Non-Jewish whites are 66% of all NMS semifinalists, but only 23% of the student body in the Ivy league.

>>11306678
Well another factor is the illusion that the education system levels out the difference between classes, while it probably maintain or exacerbates them.

>>11306685
asians are at a disadvantage overall. white people are not. if the college admissions process were race blind, then the acceptance rates for whites would largely stay the same since, while the number of latinos and blacks would decline, the number of asians would also rise. a case study in this is cal tech, which puts little emphasis on race in its admissions. guess what? it's over 40% asian and even less white than some school that practice affirmative action.

>>11306713
Cal Tech is a different school with an entirely different audience. Not a good representative of the Ivy League

>>11306687
What's especially egregious is that non-Jewish whites literally created these institutions. If anybody has a right to attend them, it's New England's WASP stock that gave these schools their wealth and status. That gave them their fucking names.

Asian insects and Jewish subversives can feed on the corpse of Anglo-European achievement, but they can't convince me the culture trickled down.

>>11306687
youre clinging to unz's stats which have already been falsified.

andrewgelman.com/2013/01/06/lee-nguyen-tran-kim-song-shimazaki/#comment-125444

>>11306648
I'd like to agree, but American society uses intelligence to justify its structure. As far as society is concerned their one in the same. I can't really blame people for resenting a system that more or less decided their fate by the time they were twenty.

>>11306547
>Amherst
>fucking Brown
>Columbia
>Dartmouth
Want to know how I know you're Jewish?

>>11306462
People who never went to Oxbridge tend to have grand ideas about what it is like. In reality the people you meet there are just as ordinary as the rest of us, if not just slightly more intelligent and hard working. All great men taught themselves. Become an autodidactic learner if you actually want to succeed in the world.

>>11306776
dartmouth is probably the least jewish ivy, lmao. columbia is one of the best unis in the world by every metric. amherst is the premier liberal arts college. brown is an ivy with a unique curriculum and regularly ranks top 15. are you the dude who keeps spamming shitty data about jewish representation at top colleges? you realize none of these schools actually tally the number of jewish students? jews apply as whites, they might mark their religion on the common app, and their names might hint at their origins, but it's hardly as explicit a process as you seem to think.

>>11306768
Did you even read this article before linking it?

>In my own research, such Weyl Analysis could only be applied to the NMS semifinalist lists, whose numbers were sufficiently large, and I employed it as a validation-check upon my more subjective estimates of Jewish surnames for that dataset. I was very pleased to find that the match was quite close. For example, my estimate of Jewish NMS semifinalists based on direct inspection was 5.95%, while the estimates based on Weyl Analysis were 5.92% and 6.03%, depending upon the particular subset of distinctive surnames selected. This tended to increase my confidential in the direct inspection methods I also applied to the far smaller lists of Olympiad winners and such.

>>11306794
did you? he discusses how the estimates for jewish representation at elite colleges are grossly exaggerated and notes that jews are concentrated in the northeast where ivy league schools are located. unz also underestimates jewish representation in prestigious math
competitions.

> Unz’s error arose because he used different sorts of information with different biases that did not cancel out but actually reinforced each other, underestimating the proportion of high-achieving Jews and overestimating the Jewish presence among Ivy League students.

ironically unz, a jew, embodies jewish stereotypes about as well as anyone. not exactly a trustworthy source.

>>11306831
>> Unz’s error arose because he used different sorts of information with different biases that did not cancel out but actually reinforced each other, underestimating the proportion of high-achieving Jews and overestimating the Jewish presence among Ivy League students.
This statement is nowhere to be found in the link you posted. I'm going to assume your mediocre brain went on the fritz after you frantically googled "ron unz WRONG" and posted the wrong link. Because of your panic-induced error, this debate is now concluded in my favor. I am correct and the winner of this intellectual exchange.

>>11306462
>Almost always the undergraduate degree of the famous or infamous person is from the University of Oxford or the University of Cambridge
i think you overrate them. what youll often find is that they will have attended an independent school or grammar school before they were 18, which is where the qualities you describe were instilled. i dont think i've ever seen someone who has been to a comprehensive school and then onto oxbridge with these attributes

>>11306747
amen

>university
when will this boomer meme finally die?