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Is it a completely insane invalid opinion to think that socrates actually was corrupting the youth?

>> No.11295055

>>11295042

Every Greek citizen was corrupting the youth all day everyday, through their assholes

>> No.11295185

>>11295042
no it's obviously true. Greek civilization was in its decline at the time, and fell to the Romans a couple centuries later.

>> No.11295221

>>11295055
This practice arose to protect daughters "virginity"

>> No.11295261

>>11295042
its pretty stupid yes, more an indictment of mankind for requiring lies to function

>> No.11295271

>>11295055
imagine how much their dicks smelled like shit all the time lmao

>> No.11295275

>>11295042
yes

>> No.11295276

>>11295261
begone foul relativist deconstructionist modernitywhore

>> No.11295348

>>11295042
Absolutely not. Look at his pupils:

Alcibiades - defected to Sparta and later to Persia (no loyalty or patriotism). Was accused of religious atrocities.

Critias - wrote against democracy and was eventually tyrant of Athens.

Plato - overcome by idle speculation did nothing (directly) for his country

Xenophon - instead of serving Athens went to serve her enemies as a mercenary.

>> No.11295379

>>11295348

Interesting, but who's to say that socrates teaachings were not corrupted by them?

I am only familiar with plato, who wrote his account of events involving socrates to highlight his own philosophical beliefs. He may have learned a lot from socrates but who's to say his own biases and predilictions didn't corrupt the original message?

>> No.11295395

>>11295379
Well if they put him to death I'm sure they were familiar with the man and his teachings directly, not through Plato

>> No.11295399

>>11295348
>defected to Sparta and later to Persia (no loyalty or patriotism)
wasnt he persecuted by plebs?
>wrote against democracy
implying thats a bad thing
>did nothing directly for his country
3/10 bait

>> No.11295402

>>11295276
go baq to reddit retard
>>11295271
they washed constantly, the greek nobility were a hygienic people
>>11295348
democracy is awful, athens was dying, Plato was disenfranchised with athenian democracy, again Athens was dying. Socrates didn’t support democracy, its good that his pupils undermined it

>> No.11295411

>>11295042
you could make a million arguments for anything. why does it matter

>> No.11295432

>>11295402
I'm not giving a judgment whether Socrates was right or wrong, just that the politicians had a valid claim against him as subverting the traditional values of Athens

>> No.11295438

>>11295399
Look at it from the Athenian politician of the 5th century's point of view not your personal 21st century pov

>> No.11295469

>>11295432
>>11295438
OP here, he certainly was suggesting changes and persuading people away from their previously held values but the question i was asking was more like "is it to be called corruption from without or improvement form within?"

>> No.11295573

>>11295469
It depends on the point if view. To the Athenian statesman it was corruption from within. To posterity it is seen as improvement from within. To the average Athenian of the day it could go either way depending on their beliefs.
Events typically can't be boiled down to a simple judgement statement like you are suggesting.

>> No.11295688

>>11295185
The Hellenic empire hadn't even started by then

>> No.11295981

>>11295402
>democracy is awful
consider the value status of democracy from the perspective of 30,000s of thousands of people who may be absolutely authoritarianly ruled by arbitrary thoughts, feelings, decisions, and whims by a corrupt few

>> No.11296027

>>11295221
why do you keep on tripping?

>> No.11296043

>>11296027
Because she's an ugly dyke.

>> No.11296070

>>11295981
It is awful, the only problem is that all the known alternatives are more awful

>> No.11296245

>>11296027
Don’t even trip bro

>> No.11296277
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11296277

>>11296027
Why do you insist on obscurity and irrelevancy?

>>11296043
Yeah yeah, we get it. You don't like the butt-end up nose. Give it a rest.

>> No.11296283

>>11296277
Ugly dyke.

>> No.11296285

>>11296277
>Why do you insist on obscurity and irrelevancy?
hmm, why would people on 4chan, a website based on anonymity, insist on something like that

>> No.11296286

>>11296277
>Why do you insist on obscurity and irrelevancy?
yeah lol it's my life goal to be relevant on 4chan

>> No.11296297

>>11296286
That's how ugly dyke tripfags think. They belong in the comments sections of newspaper websites. That's how she thinks and talks. She thinks she can find relevancy here if she just posts enough commie bullshit. Ugly dyke.

>> No.11296310

>>11296070
they are not, monarchy and individualist anarchism are both better. herd politics is degenerative to the race

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>>11296285
>based on anonymity
With name fields. You guys always get this wrong.

So triggered. Just relax.

>> No.11296327

>>11296323
Ugly dyke.

>> No.11296341

>>11296323
there is an entire internet for namefagging, the anonymity is one of the things that makes 4chan interesting

>> No.11296359

>>11296070
Dont you have some indian to genocide churchill?

>> No.11296363

>>11296027
>>11296277
a better question
why didn't I filter tripfriends yet

there, that's better

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>>11296341
>interesting
You mean troll infestation, genital wagging, bastion for fanboys of all the backward thinkers throughout the ages.
You think I don't know why you're here? I've been here since nearly the start

>> No.11296378

>>11295185
>Classic Era
>In decline

>> No.11296381

>>11296371
it allows discussion of taboo topics
when you're associated with a name, with an identitiy that remains constant, you police yourself in a bunch of subtle ways

I question why you would choose to come here, because if what you want is accountability, you have many other options. The basic setup of this website is for people to be anonymous.

>> No.11296384

>>11296371
You don't know anything about me you schizo

>> No.11296443

>>11296381
>you police yourself in a bunch of subtle ways
sometimes thats good, would be an interesting study to view every single post and thread on this board over the span of a week (or month) and with a council of philosopher kings judge and rate the posts and threads that are absolutely worthless or worse, and consider if they would have been posted without anonymity. I would take a few less *snaps* if it meant a few less *kill da joos*

>> No.11296451

>>11296443
that's fine man, there are a thousand such websites is my point. This one is based on anonymity

if you want a moderated website you can find one.

>> No.11296459

>>11296371
Any fellow oldfags here?

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11296484

>>11296384
That's what you think.

>>11296459
I introduced /b/ to Beksinski in a series of lucidly weird invader posts (one image+meandering nonsense)
Not sure if this was before or after the Happy-Negro floods though.

>> No.11296487

>>11296451
yes but how much bad does anonymity offer this board? How much non lit associated edge dufus troll memeing occurs? Of course non lit edge dufus troll memers will champion anonymity, but is the highest value of this board non lit associated edge dufus troll memers? What percent of this board is that, and what percent is legitimate goodness worthyness? Of course those associated with that will claim that is the point and most worthy.

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>>11296451
>This one is based on anonymity
You're thinking of /b/
>>>/b/

>> No.11297380

>>11296459
>Considered a newfag when started browsing in 2010 but now somehow an oldfag

I remember feeling regret when stuff like this didn't make sense to me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar4WzQ7KHak

>> No.11297402

>>11296487
You should read Stirner and stop being so spooked just relax

>> No.11297419

Considering that the charge of corrupting the youth was manufactured to try Socrates for chiefly political reasons, yes its pretty stupid and you're just a contrarian.

>> No.11297445

Any pics of the dyke?

>> No.11297732

>>11297419
What were those political reasons?

>> No.11297864

>>11297402
My butterfly,, are you a girl?

>> No.11297883

Goddamnit, I fucking hate lesbians

>> No.11297912

>>11297732
During the reign of the Thirty Tyrants most people politically active temporarily skipped town to avoid being assassinated for their political positions. Socrates didn't, and despite being well known as a political agitator didn't end up getting killed by the Thirty (possibly because they had been in familiar social circles earlier in Socrates' life) so the public perception came to be that Socrates was possibly an ally of the Thirty and would try to destabilize the tenuous new government of Athens and help reinstate some of the Thirty or similar tyrannical individuals.

There exists something of a chicken/egg problem over whether the association with the Thirty was the cause of Socrates' trial and the charge of corrupting the youth only a pretense, or whether it was actually the other way around and was just revised by those against the trial who wanted to paint Socrates' trial as a true political assassination.

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>>11297883
They're very good writers though.

>> No.11298025

>>11296277
Wait is this a woman?
Show feet