/lit/ - Literature

>>11287834
>Sophon
I think he might have been trying to make a point about the alien value system of the Trisolarans, but I don't think either their actions or, especially, the human characters' reactions to it make any sense on close examination. Maybe Sophon and the "negacivilizations" were supposed to be a parallel, but I don't think it was pulled off that well.

>it definitely should have been the main chick and her lover, who bought her a fricken star and a mother fricken universe, together at the end

This was definitely intentional. Liu wanted to show that "the universe" doesn't care about human concerns. Too bad he still copped out at the very end.

>>11288722
How do western authors compete in a world of asian web novels?

I bet gene wolf doesn't even do kung-fu.

So Wild Wastes 3 is out.
Only Thrall and super sales 3 left...
>I'm not getting any of them until early next year
audiobooks is suffering
When is one of our /g/uys going to write a program that makes audiobooks?

>>11288722
>What short stories or anthologies do you recommend?
Axiomatic by Greg Egan.

>>11288742
>When is one of our /g/uys going to write a program that makes audiobooks?
several people tried.
voice actor union of media fucked it up for everyone.

>>11288742
>>11288771
Curious - how so? I think audiobook readers will be out of a job soon. Speech-synthesizing GANs are getting better - GANs being a kind of neural network that are typically used to generate "human-like" date - and pretty soon TTS is going to be hard to distinguish from the real thing. Did the union get some law passed that outlaws commercial TTS programs? I kinda want to try making an open-source one.

Last thread? Maybe not, if people keep posting at this rate!

I've been thinking about putting the next deadline at Aug 1st and allowing longer, 300-500 pages long book for the next choice. Thoughts?

If you read in English, make sure your version is the 2011 translation.
Download: https://share.soupwhale.com/bibliotik/files/Solaris%20-%20Stanislaw%20Lem/

>>11288911
tts prgramms arent really an issue if they are only used a certain way. for example reading short passages or translating text.
in 2015 there was a whole drama thing about some guy who wrote a voice ai that could talk in several languages, use inflections and put empheis on words. unions went up in arms about that because why would anyone pay voice actors decent money if they could just feed the lines to an ai and tweak some settings doing the exact same thing. and pay very little for that because its all automatic.

>>11287834
>Thomas Wade should have been the real protagonist, nigga got shit done
Way to go not understanding shit. Why do you think Wade, the guy with a determination so strong that he made Luo Ji look like a wuss according to Trisolaran probability calcus, allowed Cheng Xin to veto him saving humanity his way?

>>11288911
I wouldn't say soon, the inflection from a trained voice actor is pretty difficult to match.

With that said, I just put a bunch of erotic text into a stephen hawking synthesizer and it's hilarious.

https://lingojam.com/StephenHawkingVoiceGenerator

The third book really is great.

>>11288722
>What was the last SFF short story you read?
A Witch Shall Be Born, one of the late middle Conan stories. It was quite good.
>What short stories or anthologies do you recommend?
'The Ladies of Grace Adieu and Other Stories' is amazing and I recommend it to anyone who enjoyed Jonathan Strange. I honestly like the shorter format better.

>>11288914
No, keep it short, hardly anyone reads these as it is.

>>11288945
MAGNA

>>11288709
Kellanved and Dancer are gayer than a unicorn.

>>11288742
not gonna lie i thought wild wastes 2 wasnt that great. but 3 was a satisfying conclusion and i loved the tie ins with super sales and otherlife.
i just hope that this isnt the last time the characters appear. i know william only writes trilogies but i hope he wont just abandon previous characters and writes new trilogies with them. im also really curious to see how all this shared universe stuff ends up. i mean outside all the simmulations theres a bunch of threats and in ww3 its hinted at that someone is actually comming after runner somehow from within the simulation.
despite my initial dislike for pulp stuff ive grown seriously attached to williams stories i seriously want to know how this all plays out. its also great that he basically publishes a new book every three months. thats great work ethic.

>>11288986
CUMMED LOUDLY

Have you ever been interested in a book until you looked up the author and found an intereview or their blog?

>>11289102
Sort of, wasn't really interested that much, it was a recommendation from some anon.

>>11288733

>>11289127
Gene can unironically wear wolf shirts and look fine.

>>11289135
I unironically think its based that the man clearly takes pride in his name. If only i didn't hail from a family of fuck ups I'd probably feel similar

Asking in this bread.

Looking for an Oriental Fantasy Novel or Series. Id prefer it to be similar to Legend of the Five Rings with various Clans fighting and demon realms. Think Mystical Japan and China mixed together.

>>11289295
third book of the asian saga is pretty good. shogun. its about a gaijin in asia land. taking in the culture and essentially becoming a samurai. lots of political backstabbing and a love interest too.

>>11289102
I usually don't look up an author prior to reading, so no.

>>11288911
All the union could realistically do would be to threaten to not work with companies that use the software, or demand contract changes that would let them strike of the company used the software.

What's far, far more likely is they had software that could make for a good TED Talk presentation but didn't work that great once people started feeding different stuff to it.

>>11289314
Shogun is pretty good. I want to reread it sometime. (Now some weaboo is going to scream at us about its lack of historical authenticity.)

I couldn't get into any other James Clavell books tho...

>>11289295
Bridge of Birds

>>11289581
honestly i only read shogun because of ni-oh.
i played the game and didnt like it. then found out it was based on a true story. minus the demons of course. and the wikipedia article had a reference to the book so i read it. quite enjoyed it.

>>11288742
Is this drivel this week's shill book? Did Sarah Maas stop paying?

>>11288722
>What was the last SFF short story you read?

Black God's Kiss by C.L. Moore. 30s pulp story about a swordswoman going to hell to get a weapon for revenge. Pretty good overall.

how accurate is this?

>trifle

>>11288722
>digitalfuture.jpg
This person looks exactly like me

The main character of this book pissed me off to no end. Always making illogical choices and never thinking his actions through. Basically not even a character, just a vehicle to move the plot forward.

>>11289295
>Oriental Fantasy
Under Heaven and River of Stars by Guy Gavriel Kay
The Initiate Brother by Sean Russell
The Dandelion Dynasty by Ken Liu

>>11289835
Is this the book where people use magic to augment their ACOG scopes to become an aimbot?

>>11289835
The Armored Saint and Gemini Cell are better

My GF likes YA stuff like John Green.

I want to read with her, we both enjoy it, just have different tastes, obviously by my presence in this thread. Any recommendations?

>>11290109
What are you into though?

>>11290314
Historical Fiction. Fantasy. Science Fiction. Borderline YA with less focus on stupid shit like romance.

>>11288722
Brandon Sanderson is a strange fake

quick rundown on the cosmere?

>>11290323
Strange and Norrell is a must

>>11290344
You can't get the tl;dr version of anything Brandon does except: shitty and too long

>>11288722
What elements make a good short story in science fiction?

>>11290376
Just do what Dick and Harlan Ellison did.

>>11290323
May I suggest you journey into the wonderful world of asian web novels?

Warlock of the magus world seems right up your alley and it's easy to read in short bursts so you can do it with your girlfriend in the room.

Hi guys, I wanted to hank you for your opinion on the fantasy and science fiction reading list. Here are the changes
Fantasy https://pastebin.com/CU5kEUR5
Science fiction https://pastebin.com/HNUgqaA0

As alway I welcome your opinions on things to add, things to remove, and what fields should be put each book.

Hi guys, I wanted to thank you for your opinions on the fantasy and science fiction reading list on the making. Here are the changes:
Fantasy https://pastebin.com/CU5kEUR5
Science fiction https://pastebin.com/HNUgqaA0

As alway I welcome your opinions on things to add, things to remove, and what fields should be put each book.

>>11289735
It's shit.
All fantasy and sci-fi novels are shit.

>>11289735
Looks like part of the chart is missing? Dying Earth is only really required or recommended if you want to read BotNS. Dying Earth is the pillar of the dying earth genre, of which BotNS is the second most notable series.

>>11290109
Howl's Moving Castle.
Anything Neil Gaiman.
Jonathan Strange, like that other anon said.

>>11290344
The guy needs to hire a personal trainer and nutritionist. He's worth $5m+ and he looks like an obese woman.

*tosses you a jelly bean*

>>11290628
Why are you here then? Get out and don't waste our time.

>>11290869
I'm here to enlighten you by telling you that you should watch slice-of-life anime instead.

>>11289295
A throne of glass

>>11290344
BS is a big guy

>>11289835
>military fantasy
>shit
what a world

>>11290904
and you picked some ultra-generic kirara moeblob trash as an example.
If you're going to proselytize the virtues of japanese cartoons for emotionally stunted middleschool boys, at least have some basic standards of taste.

>>11290904
Anime is shit

>>11291274
Even Sanderson does shounen better than most shounen. It's sad.

>>11291217
for you

>>11291217
big boys write big books

How old is Paul's sister supposed to be in Dune Messiah? The clone of Duncan wants to fug bu5 I'm pretty sure she physically still looks like a 12 year old even tho shes me tally a Reverend Mother etc

>>11290904
*dabs*

>>11290344
>>11290739
saved to my Sander-san posting collection

>>11291757
He's a smug looking bastard. Make edit of him holding his chin.

*writes an entire novella just as a warm up exercise*

>>11291803
>You'll never have the willpower to shit out multiple books a year
>Will forever be writing ~500 words a day for your crap story no one cares about

Give link to your novel on amazon anon.

>>11290390

Where to start with Dick's short stories? I found some Elison's one that look good.

>>11291757
how many recreances does he go between showers

Sanderfags could you not for like five minutes please

>>11292186
I don't even like him. He just has good meme potential.

Blue pill me on the Gormemghast trilogy. Just finished Dune Messiah and not sure what I should read next.

>>11292284
gormenghast is super comfy but is kind of a drag. its one of those books that you'll have had enjoyed. in the past.

>Her fingers stopped moving and instead pulled at him with gentle tugs.Tender fingertips pulled him upwards and he felt the tip press to t he soft opening between her legs.

>Unerringly she guided him into her channel and then slid herself down onto it in a single fluid motion. Vince felt the tightness of her as she squeezed him. The give of her flesh as she impaled herself.

>The incredible warmth of her skin was nothing in comparison to the crackling heat of her core.

>>11290550
Those lists are pretty long already so idk if you need any more recommendations from me. What have you read so far that you liked?

>>11292441

>>11292452
>Unexpectedly to him she sat down heavily on his hips, burying himself up to the hilt. Her waist grinded back and forth as if trying to drive it deeper.

Yeah, I think I'm going to stop reading this. Gave me a good laugh.

rec me some fantasy with lots of cute girls doing lewd things

>>11292488
I don't know why writers write sex scenes, they always end up wrong.

>>11292500
I agree, the most you'll get in my fantasy novel will be "they laid down and made love" or maybe something slightly more flowery. I know that alienates the women readers, I don't care. Oh, right, that's why people write sex scenes in fantasy novels.

>>11292488
>>11292500
i can see them as scenes which develop character, depict their personality, try to convey some emotions; like if someone wrote a rape scene to point out whats happening inside some characters head, to try to relate people to him or something like that, start a debate around morality maybe
this is just porn tho

>>11292513
Maybe it's first time or cheating for the first time, maybe, it can carry emotions, story and character development and, as you said, morality debate.

Brandon Sanderson is a gift please stop making fun of him.

>>11292519
you could argue that even asoiaf fatso is justified in writing them for metatextual reasons, but writing sex scenes like that for the female audience makes me want to vomit, its desecration and devaluation of literature as a whole

>>11292522
Hahaha, do you think women in Roshar say "Storm me in my storming pussy" when they have sex?

>>11292531
Brandon Sanderson is a true master of dialogue. You can't refute this.

this is now a Sander-san general

do you guys think its possible to write an original fantasy these days or it would all just come off bland and thousand times seen

i know im coming off as a pleb, but ive always wanted to write fantasy and im afraid it would come of as yet another run of the mill postmodern clichee book

>>11292552
Why do all of them basically have the same hair color?

>>11292554
There are no original ideas. Just write and if it's shit, learn from your mistakes the next time around.

>>11292559
probably all Mormon siblings

>>11292554
Just write as many books as you possibly can and rake in the money.

>>11292446
If you are looking for a recommendation I would say start for whatever topic grabs your attention but the directory on "philosophical" fantasy is kinda endearing, you might want to start there.

>>11292554
quality is the true originality. if you write well, you will stand out.

>>11292554
Yes it's possible to do original fantasy but you're going to have to be very creative to not follow the usual formulas, settings, or characters. You'll have to take some risks.

What're some good recs thatll make me get over the girl that betrayed me

>>11292554
Write a story about an elf that goes postal on his village.

>>11292568
my personal rule is kinda the opposite of that
>>11292616
its actually a cool idea lol

>>11292554
Don't worry about originality before you've learned to be cliche anon.
The masters are called such because they know when to break convention and how to go about it.

>>11291845
Those feels anon, those feels.

>>11291845

>>11292580
what about a functioning civilization built on the back of a dagon-like god's corpse that doesn't wake up during the story

Thoughts on his body of work?

>>11292658
Which of his would you recommend?

>>11292656
That's an interesting setting but how does it affect the culture, plot, and characters?

>>11292662
the guy who asked question here

im not really interested in such settings, but more of a "realistic" setting, where characters can be related to the real world
focused on people, their development, ideas, emotions and struggles instead of on the world itself, world itself only serving as the background

>>11292667
so like, harry potter style, right?

>>11292721
not really
harry potter has way too explicit messages throughout it, also its postmodern morality makes me sick
juvenile book overall if you ask me

also more focus on characters, id like it to be a character novel first, but not cringy scandinavian avantgarde tier

Has this been done before

>psychic powers are the result of people having freakishly high-voltage brains, resulting in them becoming brainwave radio transmitters
>reverse-telepath/empath powers are caused by other people's brains acting as receivers
>telekinesis exists but it's more or less just outward pulses of radiation pressure
>also, people who fight psychics are advised to avoid aiming for the head lest they electrocute temselves

>>11292727
oh, so a character novel, like mistborn, right

>>11292761
without trying to represent the world as realistic, but with realism showing in relatability and everyday feel of characters and its messages

mainly dark setting with overall fatalistic atmosphere where characters go through tough shit which forms their personalities and goes through their feelings and psyches, works through different dilemmas about the world and morality

>>11292781
oh, so like the hobbit, then?

>>11292795
but darker
tolkien overall had the good-evil fight with struggle and hope
id like to build less harmonic characters with issues in fucked up situations which do fucked up things and then to connect their actions to the reader, so reader thinks about and considers further what he would usually judge categorically
more boromir-aragorn than frodo-sam if you get me

>>11292815
oh like kingkiller chronicles then

>>11292822
i imagine characters being whores, psychopaths, rapists, traitors, people who do fucked up things, how they justify them if they do, what are their motivations, people who often do things irationally (good or evil) with their own inner reasons for it
yet present these people as normal and connect the reader to their actions

basically butcher the fuck out of modern and postmodern morality

>>11292836
oh that all sounds a lot like book of the new sun
have you read book of the new sun? by gene wolfe? it's called book of the new sun

>>11292512
Those don't alienate female readers

>>11292859
im afraid im not really into whole sci-fi, scientific fantasy

its not supposed to be with big, heroic characters, but with messed up, bad, people which are not that particularly skilled, super strong or talented, but more real

>>11292878
oh so you're talking about the magicians

>>11292554
just steal the "fantasy" tropes from some third world country + a little mix n matching

>>11292895
less magic and being heroes, more blood
also a real dark, grim, fatalistic atmosphere (imagine shitty weather, shitty people, shitty stuff happening)

>>11292920
oh so that's something nobody will want to read

>>11292513
Kommar has a great usage of that, in that it's used to illustrate how failed and loveless a marriage has become.

If the first page of your story doesn't have the protagonist casually raping someone you aren't ready for this industry.

Do the regulars here like YA/high fantasy/action type fantasy?

>>11293108
People here like to dump on YA but I read it sometimes. /sffg/ often has pretty bad taste. I don't take a lot of their recommendations seriously.

>>11293108
YA is basically the equivalent of old pulp stories, I'd have said "though targeted at a younger audience than historically" but apparently now about half of YA fiction is sold to adults.

Nothing wrong with reading it, but if it's all you read you deserve mockery. Generally I'll read it either if I need to waste time while I'm out and about (eg killing time in a waiting room) or feel the need to decompress between other stuff.

>>11293108
Fantasy is gay

>>11293108
I pretty much only read YA/coming of age sword/sorcery fantasy. I have never read and have no intention of reading got, malazan, sanderson, mistborn, or the 4 other books/authors that 90% of the general talks about. I have about 9 series I've finished or waiting for new books and only seen 1 of them mentioned in these threads. Every single thread is literally the same books/authors over and over again.

>>11293108
I read a bit of everything

>>11293288
Do you have YA recs? My favorites are Prydain, Dark is Rising, Narnia.

>>11293303
Not if you want more books written 50 years ago. I also should have mentioned that I dont give a shit about publishing year. Most of the shit in this general is 60/70/80s because OLD IS GOOD NEW IS BAD. Pretty much everything I've read is probably 2005+ by no name amazon authors and I only read the first narnia book when I was a kid. Prydain has been mentioned multiple times and seems like an ok series so I might give that a go eventually.

>>11288722
an unironically really good reddit recommendation, I never thought I'd experience a time where this could happen

>>11293513
Marred slightly by Lawrence's recommendation on its cover desu.

>>11288727
Sophon went back to being cool because they knew the TriSols were about to get fucked and there was no point in beating a dead horse.

>>11293536
Beating a dead horse was a wrong. I should have said "no need to add insult to injury."

Even if that person just stopped being a genocidal ninja.

>>11290904
Why not watch real SOL instead of "Does This Whore Have A Rabbit On Her Head And Who The Fuck Cares?"

Why is roosevelt a recurring theme in PKD’s work?
I understand the the spider which he described in an interview as seeing him die and experiencing immense empathy towards him or the clay pots which he received from a girl he loved but why Roosevelt?

>>11292727
>its postmodern morality
lol what

>>11293108
>YA
The problem with most YA is that it's written by immature people for other immature people. Of course there are exceptions to this rule, I've not read much but basically anything by Diana Wynne Jones is great.

>>11292404
You're right - this is comfy yet dull. Is there any plot to this, I am 50 pages in and nothing has happened yet?

>>11292490
WoT

>>11294179
>>11292404
>>11292284

>>11293213
You are gay

>>11294416
I am gay

>>11292721
>>11292761
>>11292795
>>11292822
>>11292859
>>11292895
>>11292954
fantastic work anon. I'm surprised the horse took so long to tend it's wounds.

>>11293288
>I have never read and have no intention of reading got, malazan, sanderson, mistborn---
>sanderson
>mistborn

so i came across this while wasting time on 1d4chan
>The Pavulians - a herd species of quadrupeds with two prehensile trunks instead of conventional limbs. Fairly religious and generally deferential to older authority, as befitting their evolutionary history as herd animals. An otherwise unremarkable species save for one incredibly dark secret. They send their citizens to Hell when they die. Okay, it's a virtual hell and what's sent is a mind-state captured at the point of death and then placed in a perfectly accurate simulation of what their people consider Hell to be (often hiring "creative" consultants). As the galactic community at large treats mind-states as being equivalent to the real person they were when they were alive, it's regarded as a despicably unnecessary act by most and as a needed social tool by it's advocates. It isn't helped by the fact that the general public don't know for certain if the hells actually exist, nor by the fact that hosting the data farms necessary to keep all the mind-states and separate hells running smoothly is a very lucrative trade. The Culture publicly disapproves of the Hells and is a covert participant in the entirely simulated wars to contest the issue.
anyone here that know why the fuck they simulate a hell for everyone?

>>11294555
should have mentioned that it's from "the culture" page
https://1d4chan dot org/wiki/The_Culture

is the baroque cycle as good as cryptonomicon?

>the wise man's fear
>still chasing the thot
jesus fucking christ, I don't like dropping books but now I'm tempted.

>>11293466
>Most of the shit in this general is 60/70/80s because OLD IS GOOD NEW IS BAD.

That's because over time history has filtered out everything else. Cream rises to the top and all that. A while back I spent like 3 hours just going through the SFF section at my local main library and there were a lot of books that basically hadn't been checked out in at least 20 years. Tons of old "oh no overpopulation" and "oh no climate change" ones that are now hilariously dated. Of course this has also covered over good books.

Similarly look at anime. Ask somebody what three good animes from the 90s are and they'll probably list stuff like Slayers, NGE and Aa! Megami-sama. You probably won't get recommended Sabre Marionette J, Burn Up or Silent Moebius.

any book with some good magic in it?
maybe some romance would be good

>>11294990
Pick literally any Sanderson cosmere book. And despite what /sffg/ says he's not terrible. Just don't go into his shit expecting nothing more than a competent plot and good action

>>11294990
I think I know some pal.

I bought Isaac Asimov's The Naked Sun today for 10 cents. Should I read the Caves of Steel first, or can I enjoy my book without it?

>>11295004
Brandon pls

>>11295004
why does he always look so greasy

>>11295004
top tier Sander-san. S-s-s-saved
>>11295000
this is true. at the very least he's a better author to meme than Ms. Loud, which is why i jumped on the sanderson train

>>11294990
Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell, or what the others recommended.

>>11294990
Black Magician Trilogy

>>11294602
I really liked all his early work upto and including Cryptonomicon. I've thought everything he's done since that has been utter drivel.

>>11294602
I like it but I really like history

>>11293288
I hate Sanderson myself, but he is archtypical YA. Why won't you read it?

>>11293466
>Pretty much everything I've read is probably 2005+ by no name amazon authors

Wow. I'm writing a book with a co-author and I need someone to read it. It'll be self published on Amazon when it's finished. Is this something you would be interested in? Mostly we need someone to give us feedback on whether they understand the mythology or not.

https://pastebin.com/iUdG1pm3
This is the prologue, to give you some idea what it's like.

*tugs braids*
*contains awesomeness*
*squats in the grass*

>>11293303
ra salvatore's drizzt series and cleric quintet is comfy

>Tyrannical
>Dao
>Incomparably profound
>Deep unfathomable mysteries
>Yin/Yang

Am I an eastern xanxia writer yet??

>>11293466
>Most of the shit in this general is 60/70/80s
But you just said people in these threads only talk about Mistborn (first book published 2006), Malazan (first book published 1999), and GRRM (first book published 1996). Fact is the only fantasy author this general regularly sucks off that's from the 80s or earlier is Gene Wolfe, and more than half of what he's written is in the 90s or later. It sounds more like you just have no clue what you're talking about.

>>11294939
Nice pasta.
Did you also make the pasta months ago when people called out your blatant shilling of fossil fuels?

>>11295777
does drizzt fucks anyone?

>>11295392
that "molecule" sounds off. I doubt that the people whatever time frame that story plays in have any concept of what a molecule is

What are you guys reading?

>>11295846
You're a newfag and it shows.

>>11295392
I’m writing too. Are you interested in forming a writers group?
Please leave an email address or something with discord if you are.

>>11296275
>>11295392
I was organizing one of these a few threads back but it never took off; only had a few people add me. If you guys get one going though, I'd still be down to join.

>>11296305

i read this book once which i don't remember the name of, does anyone recognize this plot?
>a black/dark sun is approaching earth
>it will cause the apocalypse by fucking up the weather or something
>there's an ancient machine inside the earth that can make it go away
>to activate it the protagonists have to find six crystals and put them inside six different upside down pyramids at specific times so the pyramids can shoot a laser into the earth which starts the machine
>they are racing to find the crystals against the main character's father and a team of japs who want the world to end

>>11296334
Are you just describing a final fantasy game?

>>11296334
>does anyone recognize this plot?
I do. But only because it's generic as fuck.

>>11296275
Pretty sure i added >>11296287 on disc. I'm also interested in getting in on this if it happens

Halfway through Shadow of the Torturer – does it get better?

>>11296444
if you dont like it up till now chances are you wont like the rest of it.

>>11296444
>does it get better
No, it stays equally amazing throughout the entire novel.

Also: checked

>>11295007
You can probably read The Naked Sun now, but the Caves of Steel introduces the android R. Daneel Olivaw, so it makes more sense reading them in the chronological order.

That said, both are basically detective novels with separate cases.

>>11293466
>much everything I've read is probably 2005+ by no name amazon authors

Others here, possibly including yourself, have said this. Then, when they get asked to make recommendations, they either go silent or indicate that they are literally incapable of telling good books from bad books and just funnel whatever word slurry they can find into their brainhole. This isn't a new problem, it's been going on for the entire history of literature, but that also means nobody should care about your opinion.

If you have recs for actually good self-published Kindle fodder, then please, for the love of God: tell us what they are. Otherwise, stop fucking complaining.

Good YA:
Chronicles of Prydain
The Dark Is Rising
The Chronicles of Narnia
Harry Potter
His Dark Materials

>>11296085
>can't refute anything said
>I'll call him a newfag

Are there any good books about dragon riders?

Can YA just get its own general so you faggots can fucking discuss YA sff elsewhere? It is seriously fucking starting to shit up this thread

>>11296766
^

>>11296770
Pern
>>11296784
I agree

>>11295007
Caves of steel is good. The prose is dated as fuck though. Basically 1950s in space feels. Good mystery shit with cool fucked up earth.

>>11289948
Guy g Kay also did sailing too sarantium, comfy

I'm looking for (preferably) good books about magic in space or generally fantasy set in the future. I'm already familiar with the Vance/Wolfe dying earth genre, so we can take that as read.

>>11294444
He is gay

>>11294444
witnessed truth.

>>11296770
Dragon Wing

>>11296770
how to train your dragon. its miles ahead of the movies. even if its primarily aimed at children it has a lord of the rings vibe to it. i think theres a bundle with all of them as hardcover quite cheaply.

>>11297128
>how to train you dragon
This thread has now transcended YA faggotry and is straight up recommending children's books.

>>11296770
Iron Dragons Daughter, it is a competent book, but it was too depressing for me.

>>11297138
honestly i dont mind what audience books target. often times childrens books are much more entartaining than adult fantasy. i agree with you though on YA. that shit needs to be purged by the knight templar for wickedness of such nature is not to be tolerated on our lords earth.

>>11297138
Nothing wrong about children's books if they have quality.

check out thinfiction.com, most of it is science fiction & fantasy

>>11295777
>>11293303
dont waste your time on cleric quintet. i read the first 4 and its super dissapointing

>>11297138
Without YA this thread would circle jerking over the same 10 books....oh wait that already happens.
>malazan
>malazan
>omg guys malazan
>wot
>wot
>earthsea
>earthsea omg magic
Honestly the throne of glass spam is a breath of fresh air. sick of you pseuds

>>11297223
But dude, there is a lot more than what is recommended here. And in my opinion what is called YA should only be called shit as there are genuinely interesting stuff that appeal to young adults, they just don't get enough light.

>>11297223
earthsea...
is YA

>>11297223
How can you talk shit about /sffg/ and not talk about how botns is fellated in every single goddamn post

I've been wondering, are unique superpowers and "classic" status mutually exclusive?

All the fantasy/mythology classics I've seen where people have powers either stick to the really generic powers (e.g. flight, strength, healing, invisibility, necromancy) or just make people wizards/sorcerers and not confine them to anything

>>11296766
Why should I refute? If you were here long enough you would know your statement is invalid. Thus you are a newfag.

Here is your (you)

>>11297490
Everyone in Xanth has their own unique magical ability. It's a comedy but I don't see why he couldn't have played it straight.

>>11297512
Maybe I should have clarified what I meant by "classic."

by classic, I meant something that a person would have heard of even if they didn't read fantasy, something with a recurring narrative across most adaptations (even if it doesn't match the original version like Oz or Frankenstein), and over all is emulated by other writers in a way other than parody or reference

So not Xanth.

>>11297223
Hi maas shill. Books are recommended, but people don't want to read. YA is trash shit of the highest degree.

Give me the rundown on this god.

>>11296275
>>11296287
My Discord is Isaacthekhajiit#3019 (Please send me a message telling me what thread you came from if you add me.)

>>11297537
Isnt red knight supposed to be good though?

>>11297913
Why didn't you put it in zealots, shit, and trash?

>>11297875
>Isnt red knight supposed to be good though?
Says who?

>>11296770
Temeraire series by Novik

>>11297933
people that arent you

>>11297933
>zealots, shit, and trash
zealotry didn't super apply IMO

>>11297156
What makes it so depressing? I'm thinking of reading it so minimal spoilers if possible please
pic for these two >>11297430 >>11297933

What a bitch.
Seriously

>>11297223
>throne of glass

Eugh.

>>11298262
Anon, was this any good?

Is the way of Kings worth a read? I got it for free. I see Sanderson memes on here sometimes so I didn't know if you guys actually like him. I saw it on an essentials chart though.

>>11298287
Sanderson is not a good writer and writes some cringe ass dialogue but if you aren't too discerning, go for it

>>11298287
If you like worldbuilding, detailed magic systems, action, and can tolerate shitty dialogue go for it.

>>11298272
I did not like it. Couldn't get into the romance at all. Heroine is pretty bitchy to begin with, and of course the side effects of her chosen career gradually dial that up to 11.
Killashandra made me Ree

>>11298287
only if you like anime

>>11297972
I dunno I just started reading it after that dude called it depressing and the gist so far is the main character lives in a circle of time and keeps dying g over and over again and just becomes a giant asshole and nihilist because she gets sick of that shit

>>11298330
Nigger that bitch is straight up wearing a rebel alliance pilot uniforms

>>11298345
Oh?

>>11298330
Fuck, that handle needle looked pretty bad ass.

anne mc female author

>>11298367
Indeed. I enjoyed her Pern books well enough, though they weren't amazing or anything. These just didn't do it for me.

>>11298287
>I see Sanderson memes on here sometimes

>>11297972
For me, it was that she's much lower class and shit keeps happening to her because of that.

>>11298342
I don't remember that but I read it a long time ago.

>>11292920
So - Prince of Thorns?

Just finished Solaris. I want more spooky, less science. Same setting.
Go!

What's a good series with characters I'll enjoy following?

>>11298639
>less science
What?
The science was what made it spooky

>>11298659
Those few chapters that were just him reading a book about the history and theories of the planet we're a huge slog. How was that spooky?

>>11298649
Wheel of Time

>>11298669
Oh man that was honestly one of the best parts of the book for me
Just how it could be described and studied and catalogued and still not be any better understood

Oldfags have read all suggestions in this general. Is there a new book worth reading?

>>11298703
Children of Time

excellent book for my fellow cucks and those of us who hate white people (i hate myself). i was laighing and crying sometimes in the same paragraph

>>11298784
>(((shvarts)))

>>11298846
More like Andrew Sharts, amirite?

>>11298878
Andrew Shvantz.

This series is even better than the previous one.

Anybody read any of the Halo books? Worth checking out?

>>11298922
No

>>11298912
MAGNUM

>>11298926
CONDOM

>>11298945
FOR MY

>>11298954
MAGNUM

>>11298958
DONG

Did anyone actually read Maas?
Is she as bad as she sounds?

>>11298966
The books are fine.

>>11298912
Is this one with love triangles too? If not I might read it, I like redheads.

>>11298993
Define "fine".

>>11299018
It's not.
Throne of glass is the one with the love triangle, but even then it's only the first book really as the other guy gets some no-name slut.

>>11299085
Ok, how are mcs in both books? Are they slutty yass queen types?

>>11299107
MC of a court of thornes and roses is an ice cold killer.


Throne of Glass is slut.

>>11299122
Great, "nothing personal kid" edgelady and a slut. Female authors....

>>11299129
So you judge all female authors based off one description of a random anon?
And how is it different from male authors?
Maybe try Heinlein's Friday. The MC is a gangbang slut and edgy.
Or The Iron Dragon's Daughter.
Or Malazan where many of the characters can be described as "lol we made this OP character in our D&D campaign."

Face it, you're a sexist moron.
Kill yourself.

Already 2 months old, but what do you guys think of my review?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIcXfHCDbac

Books I'll never read!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaVbK-Bvt0g

GoT is a snoozefest.

>>11299137
>sexist
kek

>>11299155
get some class

>>11298966
Yes.

>>11298912
After I finish Throne of Glass I'll start Court of Thorns and Roses. I'll probably end up alternating between the two series

>>11299155
>epic fantasy is a snoozefest
fixed

can someone define
fantasy
epic fantasy
high fantasy
young adult fantasy

>>11299314
>A sub section of literature
>a cast of people do some things
>the same as above but different style
>a single main character is a God and does everything they dream of while the writer pretends they are just an ordinary person

What are the legalities of writing a book that heavily implies it is apart of some established franchise universe but isn't really?

I want to write a story about a person who happens to exist in a galaxy where there are people who fight with bright neon colored laser swords, there was a big feud between these magical laser sword monks and the galactic government, and one of them became joined the galactic government and dawns a black helmet and wields a red laser sword. I will never use terminology like Jedis, The Force, or use established alien races of the canon and it would be entirely my own new cast of characters, but anybody reading it would think my story takes place in the Star Wars universe due to those kinda hints about things that happen behind the scenes.

>>11288722
>What was the last SFF short story you read?
Eyes of Dust by Harlan Ellison.
I'd recommend the I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream collection, of which this story is part.

>>11299364
Inspired by type things would be fine. I know things get weird if you ask rather than just doing it. It would be interesting to know how you actually get it approved to use a franchise name. But aside aside the ideas you mention are clearly inspired by however should be fine as you can't have a monopoly on space swords and magicians.

And given that the starwars universe is so vast in space as well as time it would make sense that there would be areas that have different governments and use different terminology. Starwars even addresses that this sort of thing exists it's self multiple times.

>>11288722
FYI Peter Watts (Blindsight guy) is doing an AMA on reddit next wednesday

>having a reddit account

Looking for something different to distract me from the mediocrity that was Oathbringer. How's the Expanse series?

Could Anasurimbor Kellhus defeat Uchiha Madara?

>>11298639
>I want more
>Go!
We're not your personal library. You don't order us around.

>>11298703
>Oldfags have read all suggestions in this general.
No they haven't. People barely touch my charts. They just meme about it, then go read Vance or Dune for the umpteen time for the year.

>>11299137
I really wanna fuck you maas shill anon. I know for a fact now that you're female, and your pussy is probably super tight.

>>11296305
Actually a fantastic chart. Not too common

>>11296444
I thoroughly believe Wolfe isn't someone you just keep reading and eventually like, or that you can force yourself to like. I see so many people say "wait for the second book," or "when you finish and it all ties in you'll love it." Honestly, if you don't like it by now its probably just not your style. No big deal, you're just after something else.

He's by far my favorite genre fiction author, but the dogmatic way people push him on readers who obviously are after something different has always bothered me.

>>11299767
>Not too common
I really hate these newfags talking their assumptions as facts.

>>11299781
They are repressed Christians (read pol) who are trying to fight the "degeneracy" that gets recommended in these threads.

>genre fiction

>>11299798
>implying this hard

Calm down, amigo. Don't pretend like the majority of charts shared on lit aren't an attempt to stack as many classics or intellectual books as possible. I'm sure you've been here a long time. Its all gonna be ok

>>11296305
Good taste

>>11299822
>stock classics

>>11299822

>>11299861
Wait, your rebuttal to my comment on a chart being uncommonly good is to post charts including bad books? And of course two niche charts from one thread completely crush my statement about "most charts shared on /lit/"

It's weird that you're so bothered by my surprise at liking all the books on a chart.Go read a book or something

>>11299855
>>11299861
>Green still on there
These charts are worthless

>>11299988
sweetpockets

>>11299998
And a stuttering catgirl

>>11299988
I don't think you guys understand how great a time it is to be reading books. With Amazon and goodreads it's much easier to get access to books these days.

Do you know why Name of the wind is popular? Because it was written in a time of shortage. There were so little new books being published that you took what you got, and hoped for hell they would continue.

When I read Green (10+ years ago ) it was a breath of fresh air compared to what was out at the time. It was something different. Now with Amazon selfpub you can read the new Wild Wastes, and find books similar with it. Back then you had to depend on readers opinions and hope that what they described matched your tastes.

Pic related is my documented reads from 5+ years ago lurking on lit before sffg. This shit hasn't been updated since. Read at least 300+ books since then.

>>11299861
Hmm. Women actually write better urban fantasy than guys do.

>>11300068
>urban fantasy
Isn't it full of "diversity", or was I fed false memes?

>>11300088
not even the worst part

>>11300106
What is the worst one?

>>11300110
shitty nonsensical fairy fae werebat garbage with angels and demons who wear leather and gel their hair for the inevitable club beatdown where the self insert slut throws dudes twice her size around in slow motion while tables fall over and people run away amidst strobe lights. also love triangles and descriptions of abs ad infinitum.
Oh, almost forgot: it all takes place over a few days, few weeks at most (generally speaking)

>>11300088
whats the difference between urban fantasy and lets say modern times but with monster people and magic.

>>11300182
urban fantasy is trash geared to write itself and make money bigly off of retards who buy books from their supermarket. Often features this >>11300180
i assume what you describe as "modern times but with monster people and magic" would be a far more competent book if it manages to escape the urban fantasy tag.

>>11299604
>tfw i just re-read Tales From the Dying Earth and I am now reading Children of Dune
Gotta admit, you are right anon.

>>11300252
>>11300180
According to people who haven't read a single book written post 2010.

>>11300307
I'm reading King of Thorns right now.

>botns was written primarily because wolfe wanted to give cosplayers a character with an easy outfit to make
i think he overestimated the reading ability of the /cgl/ audience

>>11298703
>Oldfags have read all suggestions in this general
Most people ITT just reread their favorite handful of books. I know for a fact there's like 2 or 3 people who literally do nothing but reread the same 4 or 5 Gene Wolfe books over and over again. I think I'm one of the only people actively reading new authors every month.

>>11300506
>read a dinosaur like Wolfe
>whine about women authors
/sffg/ general

>>11299314
>fantasy
Fiction with fantastical elements. Where fiction broadly means "events made up by the author", fantasy refers specifically to events which contravene the laws of reality, events that not only did not happen, but could never happen due to their fundamentally unreal qualities. It is for this reason that fantasies often take place in other worlds, since a core component in fantasy is different laws for reality (i.e. magic exists). Even if a fantasy is set "on earth" it is not earth as we know it, for it is full of unreal, fantastical things that could never exist in reality.
>epic fantasy
>high fantasy
These two are often used interchangeably to refer to large-scale fantasy stories set in constructed fictional worlds. Some people have differing connotations for them, like epic fantasy refers to your WoTs, your ASoIaFs, your Malazans, etc, while high fantasy can include stuff like A Wizard of Earthsea or The Hobbit, which while set in fictional worlds and having a large scale setting don't really go into the whole epic saga and are more tightly focused on just one guy's experience. But even so there's the components of an epic writ small, with a heroic journey undertaken and a vast world explored. Hence the two are often used to refer to the same type of stories.
>young adult fantasy
Fantasy written for teenagers, usually about teenagers. Common features are plots centering on rebelling against a tyrannical authority figure, love triangles/polygons, coming of age character arcs, and truckloads of adolescent angst.

>>11300571
Modern young adult is often adult fantasy stories labelled as YA to increase sales.
It's no longer just for teenagers.

>>11300628
It's still very much for teenagers. It's just some of those teenagers don't stop liking it when they get older.

NEW THREAD
>>11301358
>>11301358
>>11301358