/lit/ - Literature

I'm not a big fan of Atwood, I think she gets way too much credit just because Canada wants to prove they have good writers too. That aside, this book was actually very good. I thoroughly enjoyed it!

Seriously if you read it right it's the worst kind of dystopian future.

Worst thread ever

>>1129415

Interested now. How so?

This broad wrote a lot about the worst kind of dystopias - where no one pulls their own weight and society becomes a nameless clump and welfare wing of the state.

>>1129446

Why's that?

This Perfect Day, Ira Levin
Brave New World, Aldous Huxley
Virtual Light (first in the Bridge Trilogy), William Gibson
The Gunslinger (first in a series, with fantasy elements but definitely dystopian), Stephen King

>>1129462

King wrote better dystopian work under Bachman

'We' by Zamyatin was one of the first dystopias and greatly influenced 1984, Brave New World, etc

We, by Yevgeny Zemyatin

V for Vendetta-Alan Moore. Most people I speak to immediately discredit graphic novels, but Moore is truly literary artist.

Books I recommend you to read (in the following order):
1. Brave New World
2. We
3. Fahrenheit 451

Maybe read Neuromancer or something.

>>1129483

Alan Moore is a faggot and so are you

>> 1129473

Please recommend some? You can't always tell by the titles.

I've started a list of all the titles in this thread I haven't heard of:

Darkness at noon
The hunger games
We

>>1129529

The most obvious Bachman one is The Running Man. Very dystopean. Also The Long Walk (I think it was called that). The rest of them (there's not many) also have a kind of Kafkaesque feel.

>>1129592

Cheers! Thanks! I feel dumb to have forgotten the running man but the long walk is a new one for me.

Metro 2033 is quite decent, try it out :)

>>1129447
Haven't seen this post...
Given that I posted this, I'll explain even if it is a bit too late.
Well I don't know how much you know about time machine, but, given it has like 3 movies and a musical(?) you probably know the basics.

It's mostly the part when he's between Elois and Morlocs. While in all film adaptations Elois are humans and Morlocks are big bad monsters.
In book, both don't look anything like current humans. Elois are fat small and for me ugly, and especially they are stupid. While morlocks are monkey like intelligent but they do prey on the Elois.
The reason why they do is because H.G expanded the working environment of british worker to such an extent that in future they'll supposedly work underground all of the time. Add millions of years to that and workers become morlocks because they were living underground and dii all of the work.
While aristocracy did less and less and become more dependant on the workers. This made them fatter and stupider, also through "biological engineering" done by morlocks who killed everyone who was a threat. So morlocks maintained all of the needed infrastructures for Elois so only thing they did were eat. You could say that Morlocks raised Elois as cattle.
The time-traveller him self cynically says that in a way workers won, yet for the cost of remaining workers. Still working for aristocracy even if they do use it as cattle.

>>1129629

Cheers! Added to the list!

As for the Time Machine, I agree it's dystopian because I've read it but you might have to say that the dystopian genre has certain generic tropes which the Time Machine lacks, for instance in most dystopia's the protagonist cannot simply escape using some deus ex machina. Dystopia was not the principle focus for Wells, I claim he intended the Time Machine as a novel of the fantastic and if memory serves correctly, the story went through so many drafts, submissions and outright rewrites (I think it was seven, wiki it if you have to be certain) that when it was finally published it bore little resemblance to what it had initially been.

Question: Anybody here have a detailed definition of what they consider constitutes a dystopian novel?

To get things started, I suppose a good dystopian novel attempts to answer how people we recognize as ourselves deal with the possible future consequences of the worst possible outcome of our present practices.

I should add A Scanner Darkly by Philip K. Dick and probably Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep and Flow My Tears the Policeman Said to the list but NOT the Valis trilogy because, although there are dystopian elements, the thrust of the trilogy is, to me, a religious allegory of one man's accomodation with "the thing" called reality.

Captcha: tragedy besides

>>1129629

Cheers! Added to the list!

As for the Time Machine, I agree it's dystopian because I've read it but you might have to say that the dystopian genre has certain generic tropes which the Time Machine lacks, for instance in most dystopia's the protagonist cannot simply escape using some deus ex machina. Dystopia was not the principle focus for Wells, I claim he intended the Time Machine as a novel of the fantastic and if memory serves correctly, the story went through so many drafts, submissions and outright rewrites (I think it was seven, wiki it if you have to be certain) that when it was finally published it bore little resemblance to what it had initially been.

Question: Anybody here have a detailed definition of what they consider constitutes a dystopian novel?

To get things started, I suppose a good dystopian novel attempts to answer how people we recognize as ourselves deal with the possible future consequences of the worst possible outcome of our present practices.

I should add A Scanner Darkly by Philip K. Dick and probably Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep and Flow My Tears the Policeman Said to the list but NOT the Valis trilogy because, although there are dystopian elements, the thrust of the trilogy is, to me, a religious allegory of one man's accomodation with "the thing" called reality.

>>1129397

> piqued my interest

> RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGEEEEEEE

>>1129950

Sorry, haven't heard of that novel, who wrote "Rage?"

>>1129996

Stephen King/Bachman wrote a novel called Rage?

>>1129654

Thank you. I have never read the actual novel and now it makes sense because I've heard people joke that it's "Marxist".