/lit/ - Literature

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>>11233455
Probably 12. Then i grew up and realized it was the exact opposite.

>>11233481
opposite for me

>>11233455
pfft quite the contrary dude.

>>11233455
The trick is to read philosophy (or complex literature or whatever) and actually enjoy it. It takes some training, but it's possible.

When I became well read enough that I realized I could impress even the most well-read lit qts and realized that was the bulk of my motivation in the first place.

After reading 'Fathers and Sons'. Bazarov opened my eyes.

I'd never read a shred of philosophy, then I came on /lit/ and now I swear I never will.

>>11233674
Don't do it for the meme, actually examine life

>>11233779
why

if youre not smart enough to insert your philosophy into fiction why would I read you

>>11233455

Probably in the third year of my undergraduate degree in philosophy tbqh.

Reading the history of philosophy is still quite fun but I can't take any of the branches seriously.

>>11233797
so you can trol the libtards epic style

>>11233455
literature is fucking disgusting to me. i can never express how much i look down on people who pour their souls into fiction, both the authors and their little remoras

if you don’t feel freer when philosophizing you’re subhuman

>>11233870
Please, do share some of your "philosophizing"

:)

>>11233455
Reading postmodern philosophy is the most fun I had since my sci-fi phase

>>11233455
This thread is bad but I'll play along for more cartoon girls macking on each other. Anyway, I agree with this guy >>11233845.

>>11233903
this post is bad

>>11233874
public has no access to oversoul because of vision machine, ergo they’re a threat to life on earth. whatever threatens life can be annihilated w/extreme prejudice

>>11233455
>philosophy is worthless
>posts subhuman pedo shit

every time

>>11233870
this. fiction puts me to sleep. 500 pages for the insights of 2 pages of good philosophy. unbelievable. gay little minimalist bougie bitch problems. who cares

>>11233982
>insight
SNAP

Even better, I realized both literature and philosophy are just for personal enjoyment, both of which can not replace the joy of watching cute girls doing cute things.

>>11234007
what

>>11234010
>still hasn't outgrown an attraction to cartoon children

kill yourself you subhuman mong

>>11234019
>retarded shitflinging

is this the power of philosophical "insight"?

>>11234019
no you're the subhuman

>>11234021
>not ridiculing closet pedos who think cringey waifufaggotry is superior to literature on a literature board

is this the power of being a spiritlet?

>>11234021
>>11234027
but it is pedo shit those girls look like they’re 10-12 years old you fucking faggot. they’re designed to appeal to pedophiles

>>11234010
The best students in my only elective philosophy class were two extremely attractive lesbians who were dating. I stopped attending halfway through the semester because I couldn't stand to see them anymore.

>>11234037
they are high schoolers :/

>>11233982
It's funny because it's literally just you being unable to relate to the real world.

>>11234033
>muh spirit
evidence your spirit faggot

>>11234112
relating to the real world is a prerequisite of enjoying good philosophy numbnuts

>>11234101
no they're not ahahahahhahahahaha

>>11234129
lol dude whose waifu is literally a cartoon child has things to say about the spirit, ahahahahahahahahaahahahahahah

>>11234112
literature has nothing to do with the real world, its resemblance to reality is a product of: you living in shallow sensibles, not even the full scope of the sensibles; you having no inner life complex enough to be near impossible to ape in a book; you being ignorant of the breadth and depth of reality; you identifying with self narratives that don’t real
>>11234129
he knows anime is a pedo programming medium, you don’t. ergo he probably still has a soul, individuality, and you never did (and your parents don’t either)

>>11234049
U k anon

>>11234140
absolutely this, reality went from a kiddie pool to the ones you find in NASA training facilities after dumping fiction. i'm tired of slogging 300 pages for those (occasionally) admittedly beautiful lines and sequences I'm looking for, when I could get 10x that out of two pages of Nietzsche or Kierkegaard

>>11234169
>Nietzsche or Kierkegaard
hello you little teenybopper

>>11234174
are we swinging our dicks? try Schelling and Weil then faggot

>>11234191
hello you little teenybopper

>reading for literature "the message"
>read philosophy for the "insights"
>doing the above and still posturing on 4chan and feeling superior for being more of a real human bean with deep soul

Me on the other hand am smiling at this thread :)

>>11234191
i get more pussy than you

>>11234169
Just read sparknotes then you adhd retard

>>11234246
what do you read philosophy for then laffo


>>11234237
>>11234248
it's ok kids one day someone will approach you and shake your hand for reading gravity's rainbow in public o i am laffing

>>11234257
it's okay kid somebody some day will come up to you in public and shake your hand for having a deep authentic germanic spirit that despite being wearied by existential angst has transcended the aesthetic and ethical into a eudaimonic mode of life

Maybe it will be a cute girl :)

>>11234257
hello you little teenybopper

>>11234273
nice hodgepodge of philosophical terms, go read some pinecone in a starbucks

>>11234288
>philosophical terms

Hello teeny bopper :)

>>11234292
keep going dude it'll hurt the 5th time I promise

>>11234297
No you hang up!

:)

>>11234297
stop bullying me please

>>11234303
I'm just teasing you! Come rest your head on my lap and I'll read you Either/Or

:)

>>11234313
he was replying to me retard lol

niggers get so fucking mad when you shit on their pedo cartoons

>>11234323
You're still fixed on that? Kinda sad really

>>11234350
>le detached incredulous redditor man

lol fuck off

>>11234353
>le insecure angry teeny bopper

Do as you please buddy :)

>>11234353
teenybopper detected

The only philosophy worth considering is ontology. All other questions of Being cannot be answered without considering why there is anything at all in the first place.

>>11233455
28

>>11234145
Sure, why?

yurifags should be killed

What the hell is going on in this thread?

>>11234683
teenies gettin bopped

>>11234276
look up avg iq by major, english and classics are significantly lower than philosophy, whose only rival is math/phys (far above bio and engineering, CS and chem)

>>11235018
and closet pedos getting rump rustled

>>11233944
Well, that's about what you might expect.

Awful thread.

>>11233455
Can I just say that I oppose this image as it's just so out of character? No way Azusa would be involved with Yui in that way.

>>11233894
AHAHAHAH

>>11235298
Yea Yui would be the dom

>that guy who complains about sexualized anime teens on 4chan, a website created to discuss sexy anime teens
I think you'll find the idolm@ster is a philosophically rewarding anime. Truly it is superior to other idolshit.

>>11233455
>He doesn’t have fun reading philosophy
Laughing at you

I love reading insane ramblings written by religious/metaphysic fanatics like Hegel and Heidegger because they look like they make sense, even though most of what they say is pure nonsense (like Hegel's statements on mathematics and science).

>This thread

>>11235710
Haha yeah please tell us more about Heidegger and Hegel random smolbrain on 4chan

Most philosophy are written by people who knew nothing about science and biology. They thought they knew the truth, inventing "the soul", the laughable ways they thought the human mind worked. Nothing but ignorance.

The funny thing is, modern people eat them up like they're some kind of mysterious knowledge and worship what's essentially just farmers' fantasies.

>>11234562
no u

>>11235786
You forgot this epic image you cringey brainlet

>>11233845
This is exactly right. Why write autistic non-fiction with random words capitalized (Being, Truth, Other) when you can impart your worldview onto others through a well-constructed narrative? Philosophers are basically authors without any talent or imagination.

>>11235803
Humans look for comfort in their attachment as a means to sustain biological survival. For some people, in the modern society, the obsession is no longer about food or deities but a dream of becoming intellectuals scratching "meaning" from what's made by the past's ignorance.

How can a rational person not see the emptiness of those words, the dignified "ancient wisdom" to sustain the fools who, too, do nothing but fantasize for self-comfort and know nothing about that true wisdom must be supported by knowledge.

Few can explain the bitter depth of old philosophy and it's often only their own wishful thinking. Yet many still dream to reach some kind of awakening with those backward thoughts made by ignorant farmers.

/lit/ is one of the most reddit board on 4chan. You can see by how the average modern men struggle with meaning and try to see things where there's none.

Go back to watch your Jorden Peterson.

*tips*

>>11235897
Pathetic

Philosophers want the truth and fiction is no truth, therefore why would they use fiction? They want to understand reality, there is no point on doing fiction, because it's not real

>>11235903
By your words, comfort and validation in the face of challenge and threat. A person who has true inner strength and knowledge is not blinded to see uttering a word like that proves nothing but your own insecurity.

You only wish to reinforce your wall made of irrationality. And you will surely succeed, since such is the deed of the untermenschen.

Not that I care btw, just bored.

>>11235803
Have fun LARPing enlightenment.

>>11235911
Neither is the soul, a foundation of philosophy.

>>11235786
People read then up, because, instead of doing nothing since they didn't had the devices to conduct the experiments that we now do, they used their mind to break trhough these limitations and seek knowledge.

>>11235951
The philosophers weren't the ones to create the soul and you have no evidence to prove that there is no soul (neither do I have to say there is, and that's why I am not)

>>11235936
please stop trying to affect the wise philosopher tone while simultaneously deriding the field, it's really cringe

>>11235786
Philosophy and science are not asking the same questions nor looking for the same answers.

>>11235951
>the soul is a universal axiom of philosophy

what a maroon

pls help me find an answer, lads.
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>>11236000

>>11233455
do NOT lewd the keions!

>>11235897
Philosophers don't use their entire time thinking about the enviromemt as the first ones did. After Socrates, the philosophy tend to focus much more on the human nature and things related to it, for exemple, the nature of justice.
Science does not do that, only philosophy does.

>>11236022
environment*, now I must sleep

>>11235974
Models of knowledge made by pure imagination are prone to mistakes.
They did not even know how their minds worked. They did not know why the birds fly, why the rivers run, not even why there's night and day. They could imagine that the world lies on a turtle's back there was no one to refute them.

>>11236022
Human nature has everything to do with science since behind every inclination of your thought there's a evolutionary purpose.

People thought that emotions mattered, or in fact, mattered the most. Now we learn that emotions are fictional, empty, and mostly false alarms. It is crucial to the human progress that we rule out the unintened effects of negative emotions, such as the desire to revenge. Men's tribal nature is an enemy to civilization.

Also, politics is already very close to science, isn't it.

>>11235999
>>11235997
I do not deny the importance of true philosophy; it's just that most of the things written in the past are by nature useless and people purposefully misguide themselves because they have no sense of rational judgement. Stray further and further away from the truth.

>>11235716
For once Shrek is right

>>11236072
>I do not deny the importance of true philosophy; it's just that most of the things written in the past are by nature useless and people purposefully misguide themselves because they have no sense of rational judgement. Stray further and further away from the truth.

This is what you get when you have a generation of snooty nerds raised on a mental diet of anime and video games and think thats a sound foundation on which to opine about shit they obviously dont know shit about.

>>11236072
Stop trying to sound wise and above it all, the ones who have actually studied philosophy can smell the pseud on you like you shit your pants. Next time get a worldview that can't be found in a catalog.

>>11234049

>>11236110
>>11236099
Profound arguments, my dear wise men.

>>11236145
There are no arguments. You made no arguments. I'm sick of this shit. You make a blanket statement and think its up for refutation. Theres nothing to refute. Your worldview comes in a box. Your worldview has a fucking serial number on it. You're nothing. You're trash. You're shit. Never post again.

>>11235944
Have fun thinking you’re enlightened by being a slave to empiricism

>>11236145
You make no arguments, you made it very clear you have a poor understanding of what philosophy is and how it encompasses theoretical science and politics to a degree

>>11236229
>>11236145
If I were you I would have given an example of how an ancient philosophy can sound nice and fitting to the modern world instead of playing a game of who can utter the most meaningless but aggressive words or who can delegitimize who the most.

Anyway, it's not like I believe you could really say something meaningful. So whatever.

>>11236257
a misquote btw.

>>11236257
>I wanted you to put effort in your posts and make specific, detailed points

You first.

>>11236209
Enlightenment doesn’t exist in the first place.

>>11236265
You're right, but not for the reasons you made that post kek.

>>11236257
I pitty the fool

>>11236257
>how an ancient philosophy can sound nice and fitting to the modern worl
Moving the goal post this hard

>>11233455
Just wait. When this trend of thought loops around to its opposite your journey has begun.

Anyone else notice that one anime poster trying to get attention by making the most retarded claims they can to get attention in multiple different threads
Really makes you think.

>>11236422
wrong, lit is the final level.

>>11236265
Not true. I put a flashlight up my ass and I was pretty enlightened

refute this

>>11236549
i can't

>>11233845
>fiction
disgusting

>>11236628
but y

anyone that still likes cartoons past the age of 15 or 16 has no credibility whatsoever and should be ignored entirely

i mean i bet you dumb weeb fuckers get ignored irl but i would prefer to see it happen online as well

>>11237234
(You)

>>11237234
correct. it doesn't matter how much these freaks try to normalise their weird japanese obsessions - it will never be acceptable for adults to watch this shit.

>>11237234
abosulutely spot on.

i think these weeb retards only do it as a defence mechanism - they hide from the real world and stay with their pedo weeb shit

>>11237305
>it doesn't matter how much these freaks try to normalise their weird gaming obsessions - it will never be acceptable for adults to play this shit.
anime is basically at the stage that video games were in 2006/2007, its about to explode in popularity and become even more mainstream

>>11237375
god no

I like anime etc. because there isn't a western equivalent that can fill the same void, i.e. an escapist medium created for men that allows you to vicariously experience a happy, idealized life and romance.

>>11237380
im afraid its true

>>11237399
and thats a good thing

>>11237399
americans strike again

It was a hot Saturday afternoon. Crikets were playing cricket by the crackling crackers. I became a bit hungry, so I yelled thusly: "MOMMY! MOMMY! WHERE MY TENDIES? MOMMY! MOMMY! TENDIES! TENDIES!"

From that day foreward, philosophy held no sway over my intellectual endeavours. I've become an enlightened man of science.

>>11237440
If I could just stay home forever without working and have everything provided by my parents I would do it in a heartbeat and happily never do anything with my life.

>>11237396

Positive psychology is big across Asia as a whole.

>>11237449
I find it interesting when people say they wish they were never born. It implies they still want to exist, but within the comfort of their mother's womb.

>>11237470
I'd take never being born as well. But I'd like it if I was replaced with a competent person who could provide a better life for my mother.

>>11237234
This should be law.

What is your favorite anime, /lit/? Mine is Clannad.

>>11237473
Shouldn't your father be the one doing that? Do you have a father?

>>11237495
I mean retroactively.

>>11237476
Kaiji

>>11237498
It's nice that you want to make it easier for your parents, but it shouldn't bother you if you don't. Motherly love should expect nothing in return. Otherwise (because most parents aren't like that), it's a shit environment and you should get your ass out of there. Become your own man. Get a job that requires the least work and max pleasure for it if you can't find a job that genuinely fulfills you.

>>11237514
I don't feel like I have an obligation to do anything, but family is something that I value regardless.

>>11237520
You do have an obligation to care for your parents as filial piety is a virtue congruent to the way of heaven.

>>11237541
prove it

>>11237549
Look at the ways of the sons of heaven, the rulers of Wu and Yu.

>>11237560
Mata Nui

>>11233455
>>11233903
>>11234010
>>11234021
>>11234027
>>11234101
>>11234562
>>11235298
>>11235588
>>11235631
>>11235786
>>11235897
>>11235936
>>11236007
>>11236072
>>11236145
>>11236257
>>11236549
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>>11237476
cringe at all these anime manchildren

>>11237661
I'm glad you respect the Mata Nui, friend

>>11236072
>Human nature has everything to do with science since behind every inclination of your thought there's a evolutionary purpose.
not even evolutionary psychologists think this and they are hacks

>>11233455
When I had philosophy 101 in high school

>>11237693
There's no doubt that the majority of human emotions do, however, which I pointed out clearly.

The few people who replied to me seemed to have had some strong desires for validation. The public display of disgust and that competitive state of mind played a crucial part in the evolutionary process as they can serve as a danger alarm for the tribe and showing reproductive advantage.

The violent reaction to the menace of different ideas helped to maintain culture and the tribe's identity and unity. That's the very reason why people don't seem to be polite.

Trying to establish a common enemy, an anime-watching boogeyman, gives hope for unity and the comfort thereof. Despite them not really knowing anything about anime.

Again, I can't expect rationality from these people. Dialectics is mostly just a pseud scientific model which has little reason to exist in today's world. If it actually worked in anyway we wouldn't have had the mess in China and the USSR.

Well, people have to worship something nonetheless. From these little experiences on /lit/ I'm sort of convinced that those who can actually draw pleasure from reading in today's world are actually not very intelligent.

>>11235803
>Vomits

>>11237862
evolutionary psychology is going to destroy the world and quench the last bit of remaining fire of the human soul to be quite desu

the fact you even entertained the people making fun of anime shows you obviously took that personally. You make the same point you made on your last post again and again without touching on any topic in specific. You're either baiting or really retarded.
>>11237862

>>11237882
>hurrr u mad
4chan is an anime website and the fact that you redditor newfags even have the audacity to talk shit about anime shows a lot. Go to some other boards and watch how people see the likes of you as absolutely cringy.

I only mentioned those obviously off-topic and personal attacks directed at me because I wanted to share the person I replied to some knowledge. I wouldn't've cared if it wasn't for him. It's not like you frogs sitting on bottom of a well have any hope or redeemability, by my not-so-biased standards.

>>11237920
This one's going in my top 10 triggered anime poster compilation.
I also never said anything about not liking anime

>>11236549

Any object of jouissance is prone to entropic degradation, both subjective and objective, as they act in synthesis. The inevitable process of degradation and simultaneous want of jouissance for itself as an abstract object which begins to lack a permanent form to embody and emanate from; in subjective synthesis- makes the entire process unsatisfactory. Thus fun things are ultimately not fun things.

>>11233455
I've never read philosophy so i've never has this problem. i just like to watch the trees in summertime and enjoy myself. seems to be a better choice than reading old books.

to the people that hate anime, what anime have you seen?

>>11238391
they haven't seen any they are just newfags from reddit

>>11235786
>What was natural philosophy?
Also, faulty generalization, chronological snobbery, argument from fallacy.
>>11235897
Ad hominem
Faulty generalization
Nirvana fallacy
The psychologist's fallacy
Judgmental language
>>11236072
Chronological snobbery
Bare assertion fallacy
Argument from ignorance
>>11237862
The psychologist fallacy
False analogy
Hasty generalization
Ad hominem
Tone policing
Appeal to ridicule
Bare assertion fallacy
Historian's fallacy
False analogy

Overall, incomplete comparison, kettle logic, argument from repetition, perfect solution fallacy, proof by assertion, circular reasoning, appeal to ridicule.

Your argumentation is bad, and your taste in pornography is poor.

>>11238784
>What was natural philosophy?
dude the Earth is at the center of the universe

>>11238784
Hello there reddit didn't expect to see you in 4chan of all places

>>11238784
are you going to make a truth table too?
>>11237680
excellent post

>>11238409
>you don't watch children's cartoons therefore you are from reddit
stop coping

>>11238890
incel spotted

>>11238896
>you don't watch children's cartoons therefore you are an incel
COOOOOOOOPE

>>11238954
>COOOOOOOOPE
incel

>>11238954
why are you posting in an anime website

>>11238890
gamergate was a mistake

>>11238954
answer >>11238391

>>11238975
what are you doing on a literature board?

>>11239005
answer >>11239006

>>11239006
answer>>11239013
answer>>11238969
answer: >>11235716

>>11239013
browsing miscellaneous threads, posting in some of them, now your turn

>>11238805
atomism+causality+elementalism+induction+skepticism+natural religion and spinozism, basically all good developments in human thought

>>11239006
this whole site was made for anime newfren any board on this site that isnt dedicated to anime is containment. anime belongs EVERYWHERE on this site. if you are complaining about anime on this site it just shows how new and retarded you are now go back.

>>11233455
what retard could ever say that? it is the opposite. I started caring about phylosophy at like 13, and i realised lierature was pointles. Reading an entire philosophy book might be pointless too...

>>11233870
this mate, you are not alone. They are so pleb they think that reading literature is any different from reading tabloids or watching gossip tv

>>11235911
couldn't fiction can convey truth?

>>11234112
gossip is not intellectually empty, it is just you not being able to relate with you own life. Right?
>>11239137
also, metaphisyscs isnt any better neighther

>>11239142
There's a chapter on this in my Contemporary Metaphysics book. I don't remember reaching a conclusion.

>>11239153
>gossip is not intellectually empty

You're right

so this is the power of /lit/...
what a pitiful board, jesus christ
i can't even blame weebs for flooding the thread with anime pictures, since this thread is already filled with shallow brainlet-tier opinions

>>11239042
you sound like you're getting upset, maybe go and watch some shallow foreign cartoons to calm down

>>11239231
im just telling you how things are here newfren

>>11239198
I blame the person using smug anime girls

but philosophy is what i read for the fun of it

>>11233455

>Lol how could u believe that you're so stupid
>Lol how could u believe THAT you're the stupid one!
>Lol how could you believe anything, complete retards. What m-me? I don't believe anything....that makes me smarter than them
>Shrek
>heh guys look anime girls!! You guys are ALL so immature and stupid! Now I'm going to act superior because I don't have to actually say anything and get a free pass so I don't look dumb too!
Philosophy is really just the art of quickly out witting other people with words and abstract arguments to make yourself seem superior to others.

>>11239849
>The psychologist fallacy
>False analogy
>Hasty generalization
>Ad hominem
>Tone policing
>Appeal to ridicule
>Bare assertion fallacy
>Historian's fallacy
>False analogy

Consider yourself, btfo.

>>11239902
>strawman, the post

>>11240036
you've activated my fallacy trap card

>>11233455
But reading philosophy is far more fun than reading fiction.

>>11233455
I read philosophy to be quirky and win internet arguments using a snarky, derisive tone. Also truth is a meme I only believe in what sounds aesthetically pleasing or unique.

>>11240202
it really isn't unless you are reading really bad lit. go read some good lit.

>>11240222
Nice trips but the opposite argument works too.

>>11240212
It's a hopeless effort to have philosophical conversations with most people you meet irl and it's rare ( or at least where I am) to have someone to talk about philosophy with. Not to mention most people are set in stone about their beliefs and can easily be quick to anger, maybe because you are seen as attacking their world view. On here however these people are usually ignored,laughed at or called out as bait. On 4chan people usually go when they have something in common to discuss making it much easier compared to finding people like this irl.

>>11240212
Didn't mean to reply to you in that first post, truth is relative to the individual

>>11237661
>cringe
Embarrassing post.

>>11235911
*snap*

Why can't we all just love each other

>>11240491
i will love you but fuck those other guys

>>11233779
because the unexamined life is not worth living, anon. You would know that if you had started with the Greeks.

>>11234248
Love this meme

>>11242483
>the unexamined life is not worth living
>t. someone who spent his life examining his life

>>11233455
If I remember correctly, isn't the unexamined life is not worth living?

>>11240254
I only know two people who I can actually talk philosophy to. Getting angry or frustrated about people who you challenge with a philosophy question is like getting mad at the scorpion who killed the frog. Can you really blame people for ignorant if it's in their nature?

>>11233455
Once I swallowed the rortypill and saw my interest for philosophy as pure compensation for my inceldom

>>11240491
Imagine a grown adult male posting this shit. Fuck off.

>>11243406
ease up pseud, you've never said anything enlightening in your entire life.

>>11243406
yikes

>>11240491
<3