/lit/ - Literature

>>11214604
>this entire post
thanks kermit

>>11214604
>reading halfway through
>20th century hasn't been mentioned yet
>feeling the missed opportunity
>OP brings it home.

>>11214604
This unironically sums up the flaws in JP's arguments desu.

>>11214782
Somebody get this bucko outta here!

>>11214604
There are so many subtle references and allegories to Nietzschean philosophy in this short scene. Hotheads will never understand.

When Agent Wilson calls Bane a "big guy" he's clearly referencing him as the Übermensch, while himself indulges in slave morality represented by the authoritarian institution that is Central Intelligence Agency. Note how Wilson never references himself as his real name. There is no individuality in him, only CIA. The essence of slave morality (represented as the "flight plan", opposed to master morality - the "master plan") is utility: the good is what is most useful for the whole community, not the strong. But he does not see beyond initial good and evil.

Also prior to the scene, Wilson shoots out of the plane without actually killing anyone. He does so out of misguided anger, furious that neither faith in god nor scientific knowledge has not given him the rest or respite he desires. At the same time, CIA shooting the sky symbolizes the death of God as a source of morality for people, leading to the unhooding of Bane, the Übermensch.

When Bane crashes the plane with no survivors, he's crashing the entire worldview based on slave morality. He's crashing old thoughts and institutions such as Judeo-Christian religions. He's crashing secular humanism. He's crashing herd mentality. He's crashing even himself, as he overcomes his former self to become the over-man. In this crash, a fire rises in the wreckage - the triumph of "life" over "logic"

Then, in the end Bane reminds Dr. Pavel that "Now is not the time for fear, that comes later!" The world is necessarily moved in a cycle, endlessly repeating all past events due to finite amount of matter and infinite amount of time. In this eternal recurrence, the plane crash will repeat - again and again.

But if life triumphs over logic, the only meaning is life then is the will to power, that means the big guy will always be in charge here.

Bravo Nolan.

>>11214604
This is the best thing I've read on /lit/ in awhile.

>>11214604
A modern masterpiece

based

>>11214788
>>11214789
>>11214782

And it will probably get removed by a faggot moderator because it's vaguely anti-Peterson.

lel

>>11214807
Or maybe because its not literature you hysteric communist.

Nothing, i said "Nothing"!

>>11214604
>AND IT'S LIKE - GOD ITS SO SAD - ITS LIKE YOU'RE NOT A BIG GUY!

Why does he wear the cape?

>>11214863
I want him to say this about my penis.

>>11214873
That sounds rather homosexual

>>11214841
>He thinks Peterson isn't an author
>He thinks anyone who dislikes Peterson is a leftist

Go back to /r/eddit, nigger.

Why does he wear the mask?

>overweight
>that hair
>that suit

It looks like the first person that he had to sort out was himself

>>11214604
It sounds like something he would actually say, that intro made me unintentionally read in his voice

>>11214916
he looks like the devils advocate

>>11214916
>overweight

wut

>>11215000
noice trips of truth
>>11214604
i read this in his voice out loud and it was topkek

>>11215109
not overweight just pudgier

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwUJHNPMUyU

BANE?

>>11214604

Bravo. Dyin bere.

>>11214604
This is so well written

>>11215260
>two bit academic
He taught at Harvard as is cited more than the vast majority of academics

>>11214604
Perfection

>>11214604

Where is the Zizek version of this?

>>11215394
https://blogdaboitempo.com.br/2012/08/08/dictatorship-of-the-proletariat-in-gotham-city-slavoj-zizek-on-the-dark-knight-rises/

>>11215260
how does Lion King have a positive message for boys?

>>11215457
Defeat the bad guy, get the girl. The female's place is to put pressure on the hero to make him into a hero and to provide a promise of a reward. Hanging around with your group of loser friends in the forest doesn't help you become a hero. It's not a particularly new story but it's a very typical male hero saga, of course it has a good message for boys especially in a more traditional context.

The issue is not that Peterson thinks this, because it's true. It's that he also thinks anything other than this sort of hero story is bad - i.e. something with a female hero (who's journey is something other than just 'completing' a male hero), or something which portrays heroism or virtue arising from other relationships like in Frozen - i.e. about siblings.

>>11215394
i think i want an audio commentary of zizek breaking down movies on an ideological level and petersen breaking them down in a jungian symbolic psychology.

i would totally go see a night at the movies with zizek and petersen.

iTT: butthurt virgins

>>11215324
Nobody denies that he is a worthy scientific psychologist.

The rest of his contributions are shit though.

>>11215494
we either didn't watch the same film or you're intentionally grossly misrepresentating of the lion king plot
fuck you faggot
also the movie was written by 2 women

>>11214862
Geg

>>11214604
based

>>11214916
is "clean your room" a codephrase for "get hair plugs"?

>>11214604
>CULTURAL MARXIST
"Alt-right" spotted.

>>11215260
>implying this would be a bad thing

>>11215672
>implying women couldn't celebrate manhood

>>11214604
I read this entire thing in his voice.
I was not disappointed.

>>11214604
Fuck this was too funny, and I unironically love Peterson.

>>11214807
>Muh persecution complex

>>11215494
More like, reclaim your heritage as a man and oust the usurpers, running away from your problems works to heal them but eventually you have to take your place in the world again instead of retreating to the womb.

>>11215400
Zizek is an autismo like us, guys

>>11216230

>>11216433
>hairplugs
Isn't that just propecia?

It's like yes! right! exactly!

>>11214604
>IN HIS BITTER RESENTMENT, IN HIS-HIS POSTMODERN CULTURAL MARXIST IDEOLOGY, HE TRIES TO TAME THE CHAOS - AND THAT'S A BAD IDEA MAN
10/10 writing but the real JP would disagree

>>11216367
paglia is the "I'm not like the other girls ;)" of philosophy

>>11214604
>AND IT'S LIKE - GOD ITS SO SAD - ITS LIKE YOU'RE NOT A BIG GUY!
keke

>>11216400
>and I unironically love Peterson.
kys

>>11216367
Literally the best woman since Hypatia.

>>11216673
that's not photoshopped peterson?

>>11216691

>>11214604
Does he actually say bloody
The fuck Does he think he is

>>11216702
one of the queen's subjects

>>11215494
Sure a barebones analysis that it literally can be applied to any other story. What about the maintenance of the Circle of Life and all that jazz?

>>11214604
fantastic

>>11214604
This doesn't even make sense. Why would CIA be Marxist and represent order? CIA is the patriarchy and western civilization protecting us from the chaotic nature of postmodern neomarxism. otherwise pretty funny

>>11214782
It actually doesn't

>>11215671
t. 18 year old freshman

>>11214862

SO CONGRATULATIONS, YOU GOT YOURSELF CAUGHT, WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP IN YOUR MASTER PLAN

>>11214604
AND THAT'S THAT!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhdEbOzcN1U

>>11216852
It actually does in that you can mythologize and Jungianize anything with only the illusion of coming to a deeper understanding of it, which Peterson has acknowledged.

You know, come to think of it, Jordan Peterson might be the greatest philosopher Canada has ever produced. Which is pretty awful.

>tfw you realize Peterson is just another North American Christian revivalist except he knows enough Jung and biology to be a Christian without saying he's Christian

>>11218357
He makes me ashamed to be a Canadian.

>>11215260
"shit on SJWs and trannies with their silly non-binary pronouns"
>Argues against lawfully compelled speach
>Is fine with using pronouns for transgender people

your propaganda is showing.

>>11218397
really ? thats why you are shamed by being a fucking leaf ?
c'mon there are so many other reasons for your shame . And im not saying i am immune , my country has its problems too .

>>11218357
Charles Taylor? Northrop Frye?

>>11215260
I really don't like Peterson sometimes, but Harris is an even bigger idiot

>>11218357
George Grant?

>>11214604
OP I fucking love you, you fucking faggot.

>>11215260
>just be a heartless cunt lmao
Not really a good message for anyone, especially girls.

>>11214787
T-this

>>11216433

I don't understand what's wrong with a hair transplant

>>11214604
lol

>>11214807
i like peterson and i thought it was funny. whoever wrote it is clearly familiar with his work enough to parody it.

>>11215394
https://youtu.be/y1OnDgBNlRU?t=2m23s
click off when the Zizek part ends.

Holy fuck lol

>>11218414
What you mean is
>Completely misrepresent a common-sense law as compelling speech
>Dumb libtards actually take Peterson's misrepresentation as what the law actually is and think it's a good thing

>>11219993

In what way is peterson misrepresenting it? Genuinely curious

Holy shit op that was really funny lek

>>11218397

I bet it's not the only thing

>>11214604
wtf I actually agree with this analysis?

>>11219993
It was the legal opinion of the university he worked at that his opinion was correct.

The Ontario Human Rights Commission said that people who refused to use preferred pronouns might get into legal hot water.

Now this being said I wholly believe Peterson was wrong about how Canadian law would have actually ruled digging into the case law. However he is ultimately a layman and the status quo was public employers threatening your job if you refused to use somebodies preferred pronouns. I wholly believe Petersons intervention made it so people went from taking the idea that people should be able to compel others to call them "Xe" quite seriously in some circles including the national broadcaster shilling for people to do this, to people acting like it was a joke and denying that people were ever calling for that.

I think what people miss is that Peterson wasn't the biggest problem here, the human rights commissions and public employers were telling people that you HAD to use preferred pronouns or be punished despite that not actually being true. Nowadays everybody is fine with calling people by their name or he/she/they, although Peterson actually spoke out against the use of singular they, his objections were fairly retarded.

It's not an accurate retelling of history to say that Peterson was the first one to interpret the upcoming bill c-16 in this way, and that libtards believed his interpretation, it was actually the other way around.

>>11220001
If you look into Canadian case law the threshold for when something is considered "Hate speech" is quite high and there is no possible way that REFUSING to call somebody "xe" would get a Canadian judge to use legal force against you. It IS possible that intentionally "misgendering" them might, but you should be fairly safe if you just refer to somebody by their legal name.

The thing is, public empoyers and the human rights commissions in Canada were also misinterpreting the law and threatening to fire people who did not cowtow to the "xe" thing. This predates Peterson misinterpreting the law.

>>11214604
>SO BANE - AND THAT'S THE BLOODY THING ABOUT BANE - HE REPRESENTS CHAOS, IN FACT, HE'S AN AGENT OF CHAOS, AND IN CONTRAST, WE HAVE CIA, WHO REPRESENTS ORDER, ROUGHLY SPEAKING. BUT CIA

holy shit that sounds exactly how peterson lectures honestly I am impressed

>>11214604
This shit is why I come to /lit/

>>11218021
Removing the subject from my philosophy with no survivors!

>>11220366
>It IS possible that intentionally "misgendering" them might
Canada is so funny

>>11214604
>POSTMODERN RATIONALIZATION WILL CHANGE THAT. THE EVIDENCE IS CLEAR. THE SCIENTIFIC LITERATURE IS EXPLICIT ON THIS MATTER. AND SPEAKING OF TAMING FIRE - WHAT HAPPENS BY THE END OF CIA'S 'EXPERIMENT'? THE FIRE IS NOT TAMED, QUITE THE OPPOSITE, IT'S ACTUALLY RISING

>>11220366
That's the point. If you misgender someone who believe to be a fluidqueer or whatever by not using correct pronoun you might get legaly assfucked.

>>11215260
yikes

>>11220366
lmao how do you represent the fact that "misgendering" someone might lead to legal trouble as an okayish thing? in what twisted world is that ok?

>>11215260
Please replace the sunglasses guy with this superior version.

>>11220878
poor cis people
so persecuted

>>11220950
what are you trying to say?

>>11216702
Canadian

>>11216673
>hypatia
>literally who
>not St. Hildegard von Bingen

kys tripfag

>>11214782
>This ironically sums up the flaws in JP's arguments desu.

ftfy