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what political and philosophical books would you recommend to a 20-year-old man?

>> No.11188964

Mein Kampf

>> No.11188976

>>11188964
i'm sorry, but i live in the 21st century.

>> No.11188984

>>11188957
Start with the Greeks

>> No.11188985

>>11188957
Meditations.

>> No.11188992

>>11188957

Read a bit of Plato.
He is the great touchstone.

>> No.11188996

You are not a man until you have sired another man. I recommend Growth of the Soil.

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Elements of the Philosophy of Right

>> No.11189010

>>11188957
we have same thread every way. Hint: most of /lit/ is around this age, so in fact, this question has no good answer from this board

>> No.11189012

check out uhh voltarine de cleyre

>> No.11189023

Start with John Green then
>>11188984

>> No.11189042

>>11188976
So like it's 2018?

>> No.11189051

>>11188964
based

>> No.11189183
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>>11188957
>political
Πολιτεία
Πολιτιkά
Der Einzige und sein Eigentum
Atlas Shrugged
Mein Kampf
Das Kapital. Kritik der politischen Ökonomie
The Very Hungry Caterpillar
A Theory of Justice
Anarchy, State, and Utopia
Der Begriff des Politischen
The Souls of Black Folk
International Children's Bible: Exodus 21, Deuteronomy 15, and Leviticus 25
Industrial Society and its Future
Il Principe
THE HOLY BIBLE,Conteyning the Old Testament,AND THE NEW:Newly Translated out of the Original tongues: & with the former Translations diligently compared and revised, by his Majesties speciall Comandement.Appointed to be read in Churches.Imprinted at London by Robert Barker, Printer to the Kings most Excellent Majestie.ANNO DOM. 1611
القرآن
Leviathan or The Matter, Forme and Power of a Common-Wealth Ecclesiasticall and Civil
Discourse on the Origin and Basis of Inequality Among Men
Two Treatises of Government: In the Former, The False Principles, and Foundation of Sir Robert Filmer, and His Followers, Are Detected and Overthrown. The Latter Is an Essay Concerning The True Original, Extent, and End of Civil Government
An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations
**HYPER ADVANCED POLITICAL PHILOSOPHERS ONLY**
http://orgyofthewill.net
http://www.thefoundationpress.com/fulltext.html
http://mundusmillennialis.com
**************************************
that ought to get you started on the right track

>philosophical
How Can Mirrors Be Real if Our Eyes Aren't Real
Was ist Metaphysik?
Fragments - Heraclitus
read all of Plato, Aristotle, the Neoplatonists, the Neoaristotelians, the neo-neoplatonists, the neo-neoaristotelians, and so on.
DO NOT READ THE STOICS
DO NOT READ THE CYNICS
DO NOT READ CHRISTIAN "CHVRCH FATHERS"
Summa Theologiae
Die Welt als Wille und Vorstellung
Phänomenologie des Geistes
Kritik der reinen Vernunft
An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding
Discours de la méthode pour bien conduire sa raison, et chercher la vérité dans les sciences
Novum Organum Scientiarum

>> No.11189192

>>11189183
autism

here's the real list

>De Jove Ammone questionum specimen - Ferdinand Tönnies
>Zur Phänomenologie und Theorie der Sympathiegefühle und von Liebe und Hass - Max Scheler
>L'Arrêt de mort - Maurice Blanchot
>Zur Einsteinschen Relativitätstheorie - Ernst Cassirer
>La Natura ama nascondersi, Physis kryptesthai philei - Giorgio Colli
>Einführung in die Philosophie. Zwölf Radiovorträge - Jaspers
>Esistenza e persona - Luigi Pareyson
>Atom und Kosmos. Das physikalische Weltbild der Gegenwart - Hans Reichenbach
>L'Action. Essai d'une critique de la vie et d'une science de la pratique - Maurice Blondel

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>>11188957
>>11188976

>> No.11189257

Eric Voegelin - Science, Politics, and Gnosticism

>> No.11189290

>>11189183
How would you rank and compare those three in your pic related?

>> No.11189296

>>11189290
1. Sociopathy
2. ADHD
3. Autism

>> No.11189313

>>11188957
Thucydides, The Republic, the Campaigns of Alexander, Oedipus Rex, Daodejing, Sun Tzu, Heraclitus’ fragments, Leviathan, Kapital, Genealogy of Morals, Nomos of the Earth, St Petersburg Dialogues, Bakunin’s essays, Ego and its Own

that’s it basically

for good measure:

Adorno’s essay, Culture Industry; Baud’s compilation, Simulacra and Simulation; the Technological Society by Ellul; Understanding Media by McLuhan; Speed and Politics by Virilio

>> No.11189353

>>>/pol/

>> No.11189370

>>11189313
>Nomos of the Earth
Is this really worth reading? I want to read The Concept of the Political and The Theory of the Partisan.

>> No.11189609

>>11188996
I'm not gay

>> No.11189667

>>11189609
Well you're definitely retarded.

>> No.11189676

>>11188957
>20-year-old
>man
lmao

>> No.11189686

Read Rene Girard.

>> No.11189692

>>11188996
>You are not a man until you have sired another man
in that case no one was or can ever be a man

>> No.11189694

>>11189204
kek

>> No.11189696

Society of the Spectacle

>> No.11189737

>>11188957
Honestly, the more I read the less I respect philosophy and politics. I feel like I’ve wasted my time, to be frank. At this point I keep reading because I already bought the books.

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>>11188957
Start off with The Next Revolution by Bookchin

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>>11188957
20-year-olds should be trying to understand Hegel

>> No.11189878

dont read until you're a boomer for the full experience desu

>> No.11189880

>>11189737
This. Everything written can be gained through lived experience. These philosophers never truly lived, just theorized and were miserable. Sure they had advanced ideas, but really were no better off than savages in the Congo.

>> No.11191014

>>11189846
I want to know more about you Bookchinposter. I keep seeing you around a lot lately.

>> No.11191028
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11191028

>That 20 year old boomer that hasn't read the entire western canon

>> No.11191043

>>11188957
The Republic by Plato (w/ Crito to bring it down to a practical level).

Politics and Vision by Sheldon Wolin

>> No.11191058

>>11188957
Depends on what you've read already.

>>11188964
Enough with the meme, pseuds.

>> No.11191070

>>11191028
1950-1970 is literally THE WORST generation. Who do you think is responsible for all the bs of the modern era?? Also, the baby boomer generation is post WWII not post Vietnam, you twit.

>> No.11191072

Plato
Locke
Rousseau
Al Ghazali
Rene Guenon
Neechee

>> No.11191084

>>11191070
Ok grandpa

>> No.11191113

>>11191014
What would you like to know my man?

>> No.11191182

>>11191113
Everything.

>> No.11191214

>>11191182
That's a LOT of stuff to cover anon-kun.

>> No.11191248

>>11191214
I've got plenty of time anon-senpai.

>> No.11191253
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11191253

A 20 year old white man? You have to cut through the facade that was created for and passed down to us by the boomers by the merchant semites running western institutions. This will actually allow you to connect the dots in the political world and much of the philosophical one as well. Your knowledge will be full of holes if you don't understand the JQ and pic related is a basic introduction to this eternal quandary.

>> No.11191290

That's really easy:

"Technological Slavery" by Theodore Kaczynski

If you like that then you can work on to his second book: "Anti-Tech Revolution"

If you want high-brow stuff you can try Jacques Ellul's "The Technological Society" but it's a rhetorical book that isn't as scientific or logically constructed as kaczynski and also Ellul is pessimistic, whereas kaczynski is hopeful

>> No.11191335

Anatomy of the State by Murray Rothbard, only 60 pages long and a free pdf at mises.org. https://mises.org/system/tdf/Anatomy%20of%20the%20State_3.pdf?file=1&type=document

>> No.11191349

20 year old ism, of course. You fucking moron.

>> No.11191584

>>11191084
ok brainlet

>> No.11191660

>>11188957
Economic works like The Wealth of Nations can give a practical understanding of the modern world.
https://librivox.org/author/395?primary_key=395&search_category=author&search_page=1&search_form=get_results

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>>11188984
>not starting with the sumerians
unironically read the greeks but don't start with them

>> No.11191685

>>11191671
Might as well start with an anthropological study of prehistoric culture and belief.

>> No.11192102

>>11189846
Don't start with it but this is a good post.

>> No.11192775

>>11188976
A Guide to Dick-Sucking for the Modern Man

>> No.11192781

>>11191660
Unironically this.

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>>11191685
start with darwin

>> No.11193111

>>11192102
Why not start with it? It's a great introduction to communalist theory and praxis imo, where would you suggest someone start?

>> No.11193242

>>11193111
He's not Greek.

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this is the book i started with, its no substitute for political thinkers its just an intro in to their thought and the society they lived in its a good starting point

>> No.11193558

Frédéric Bastiat - The Law
Ludwig von Mises - Human Action
Hans-Hermann Hoppe - A Theory of Socialism and Capitalism
Frank Chodorov - The Rise and Fall of Society
Ludwig von Mises - Nation, State, and Economy
Henry Hazlitt - The Foundations of Morality
William Graham Sumner - What the Social Classes Owe Each Other
Clarence Darrow - Resist Not Evil
Étienne de La Boétie - The Politics of Obedience: The Discourse of Voluntary Servitude
John T. Flynn - As We Go Marching

All of these are free on https://liberty.me/library/

>> No.11194220

bump

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>>11189880

>> No.11194406

>>11189204
Sorry for my autism. I'm interested in that book because a friend of mine told me about Jordan Peterson, but I can't find it

>> No.11195316

bump

>> No.11195479

2666

>> No.11195481

>>11188957
Rodger's My Twisted World

>> No.11195483

Borges collected fictions

>> No.11195742

Anarchy, State, Utopia - Robert Nozick

>> No.11195765

>>11189313
Only good post ITT

>> No.11196466

>>11191070
if this is true then why isn't there a single good author born after 1970?

>> No.11197284

>>11196466
*after 1950

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>>11189183
be careful OP, reading this list will literally make you the god-emperor of dune

you still have the choice to have a normal life

>> No.11197303

>>11189313
good list

>> No.11197326

>>11189183
Very bad list do not recommemd

>> No.11197332

>>11196466
Saul kripke tho

>> No.11197406

>>11188957
A History of Western Philosophy by Bertrand Russell

>> No.11197448

>>11197406
No.

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>>11188957
Read this if you want to be successful and not some poor faggot who's stuck in a ivory tower

>> No.11197507

>>11197462
I didn't expect to see a Moggposter here. Tell me more about this?

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>>11197507
>>11197462
BASED moggy amiright fellow bullying victims

>> No.11197586

>>11188957
Marcus Aurelius - Meditations

>> No.11199271

21 yo anon here.
Is taking Copleston 'History...' and reading originals parallely best option to start with philosophy? I don't really know which of many philosophical doctrinae I'm really interested in.
I want to be prepared for Cioran and Eliade, though.

>> No.11199342

>>11188964
this, but unironically.

>> No.11199395

>>11188957

Plato's philosophy of forms and ideas

>> No.11200260

>>11199342
Why does it matter?

>> No.11200263

>>11199271
His history is pretty solid.

>> No.11200568

>>11197462
do you have pdf-version?

>> No.11201682

>>11200568
No

>> No.11201889

just read economist so you'll be sort of normal and sound informed instead of being a deluded moron who analyzes SJWs through some random obscure 20th century philosopher like ppl on here and then gets mad when nobody wants to listen to him

>> No.11203025

>>11201889
This gave me a sensible chuckle.

>> No.11203083
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11203083

Read the bible, quaran, Talmud, Pāli Canon and the upanishads.

Read marx and engels, bakunin, Kropotkin, Stirner, Hegel, Heidegger, Nietzsche, kant, Schopenhauer, Thomas Aquinas, John Locke, Voltaire, Adam Smith, read the greeks, all those greek guys.

read Guy Debord, Jean Baudrillard, Gilles Deleuze, Michel Foucault, Theodor Adorno,

read nick land, max fisher, ted kaczynski, julius evola, Alexander dugin, Slavoj Žižek, René Guénon, Oswald Spengler

read Aleister Crowley, Robert Anton Wilson, hermes trismugestius

read wilhelm reich, Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung, Jacques Lacan, edward bernays

read about cybernetics, managerial neoliberlism, Marxism, anarchism, the occult, the abarhamic religions, capitalism, psychology, history, technology, the eastern religions, paganism, philosophy, art, propaganda, marketing, conspiracy, aliens, science, math, war.
Study who the elite are. the plutocrats, the lobbyists, the politicians, high ranking military.
Gain a class conscious.
Read about materialism and spirituality.

Live for something other than consuming

read how things are made, how to make them, and also make things.

>> No.11203152

>>11203083
And last but not least, get redpilled on the JQ.

>> No.11203165

>>11203152
This isnt me btw. Im not some moron poltard that thinks jews are the problem. Im too well read to be that much of a fucking dipshit moron.
Guess what pol, the west is being flooded with non whites because the capitalists need a source of cheap labor and to drive down wages.
Anything that is "degenerate" on tv is because it is profitable

>> No.11203175

>>11203165
faggot

>> No.11203184

>>11188957
None, you should go outside and have sex instead

>> No.11203186

>>11203165
There is a group of people who have no interest in the preservation of European society because while living within European countries they have maintained a separate culture of their own. They are a people who feel no compunction in destroying the culture, heterogeneity or morals of European societies in exchange for $$$Capital$$$ because they have never cared for those things. They have no skin in the game. In fact, if anything, they are given to loathe those things. These people, then, have an advantage in a capitalist world because an ordinary European might feel the kinship of blood restrain them from pushing degeneracy on his people, but these people would not. You are Mr Book Mr Clever -- can you name that Pokemon, you fucking faggot?

>> No.11203201

>>11203186
white anglo saxon protestants?

Pol tars are so fucking small time when it comes to elite analysis. Guess what, the jews arent the only fucking ethnic group that has money

Guess what, capital needs more consumers and the western birthrate is declining

guess what they dont care about nations or peoples, they just want profit.

Guess what, they dont see you as a race or a human being, they see you as an economic unit

>> No.11203211

>>11203201
not him but you seriously need to read more. The Jews as a religious group, not all Jews but most Jews are participating whether they know it or not, are the chosen ones to lead humanity to the messianic age. They have built up their control over mankind for thousands of years and are now nearly victorious. They will declare victory when the unified world government and World Peace is declared. You're not well read if you don't know about the Jews, sorry lad.

>> No.11203215

>>11203201
Jewish people are overrepresented in areas which contribute to the downfall of society eg pornography. Do you deny Jews are overrepresented in the higher echelons of capitalist world order? Do you deny my explanation for why they might have an advantage which enables them to thrive? The instinct of the common man is smarter than you credit in your self satisfied smugness. Nature teaches animals to know their enemies, and the Jew is the enemy of anyone who loves their homeland and their people.

>> No.11203234

>>11203211
>>11203215

holy shit, i dont think the best writers in the world could put into words how stupid you fuckers are.
Porno is made because there is a market who demands it.

>> No.11203251

>>11203234
>Do you deny Jews are overrepresented in the higher echelons of capitalist world order?
>Do you deny my explanation for why they might have an advantage which enables them to thrive?

Nobody is denying capitalism as a fact exists, you retard. I'm telling you Jews are its greatest adherents because they feel no restraint in unleashing its destructive power.

>> No.11203350

>>11188957
Democracy in America by de Tocqueville
The Spirit of the Laws by Montesquieu
In Defense of Lost Causes by Zizek

>> No.11203352

>>11188957
Origins of Totalitarianism by Hannah Arendt

>> No.11203436

>>11191070
WHO is Tao Lin

>> No.11203579

>>11191070
>that 30 yo baby boomer that doesn't know what a baby boomer is

>> No.11203586

>>11203215
>Jewish people are overrepresented in areas which contribute to the downfall of society
So are whites

>> No.11203778

>>11203083
Good post. Not OP but also a 20 year old man. I screenshotted it and will be referring to it most likely.

>> No.11203781

>>11203165
>>11203201
Based.

>> No.11203830

>>11189313
this is good. add spinoza in there.

>> No.11203845

>>11188957
Here is the truth
Read some plato and dont be afraid to sparknote. Apology is a great start
Political you have the republic, Aristotle polotics, Machiavelli the prince, hobbes leviathan, john locke and the US constitution.
Ps. Read the stoics really helped me in my 20's letters from a stoic and meditations

>> No.11204075

>>11203201
It's the elites... Some jewish some not.

>> No.11204619

>>11203165
Le /pol/ boogeyman!

>> No.11204812

.

>> No.11204848

>>11203186
Reptilians?

>> No.11205081

>>11188985
5 years too late

>> No.11205095

>>11188957

meditations by marcus aurelius

zen & the art of motorcycle maintenance

>> No.11205097

>>11204812

>> No.11205193

>>11188957
Wittgenstein. Once you really get wittgenstein (early and late), most of everything can be understood, even if you cannot engage with the meaningness of all ideas, you can engage with their performativeness.

>> No.11205209

>>11188957
On the Sublime Object of Ideology
Violence

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>>11203083
>Gain a class conscious

>> No.11205452

>>11205097

>> No.11205741

>>11188964
fpbp

>> No.11205752

>>11189183
i wanna be like you when im older

>> No.11206002

>>11205752
Why?

>> No.11206007

>>11205752
He's fucking crazy.

>> No.11206442

>>11206007
i wanna be a crazy old hermit

>> No.11206833

>>11191253
Back at it again Kevin? I thought you had finally given up.

>> No.11207760

>>11206442
Same

>> No.11207860

>>11206833
Kevin MacDonald is like 70, jewboy.