/lit/ - Literature

>>11164171
Why would it take 13 years for him to read all of this?

>>11164180
Thats just when I think he'll be mature enough and have internalized enough morally good material that he'll be able to not be swayed in his values by modern works.

I tried reading Ovid to my dad’s six year old daughter (from another marriage) and it didn’t work. Start with like Dr Suess and colorful, simple shit, then move to maybe aesop’s fables or grimm fairy tales and then the Greeks

>>11164171
You're going to raise an awkward, bookish nerd who doesn't know anything about the current zeitgeist. He'll almost certainly rebel against you if you treat him like that

>>11164171
This reminds me of that experiment where the king had a bunch of children raised in silence to find out what language they would speak.
They all died.

>>11164171
whats his/her name?

>>11164204
>the current zeitgeist
oh no no no

So you wanna raise another 4chan user? Take a look at the website you currently are and ask yourself if this is how your child should be.

>>11164214
I mean, it's going to be very tough for him to make friends without knowing anything about modern culture

>>11164204
Wrong he's gonna be taught how to camp, start a fire, ride a horse, how to fire a gun, etc from a young age we live out in the hills. I don't want him to have anything to do with the current cultural zeitgeist its all toxic.

>>11164206
Alfred.

>>11164199
Dr. Seuss I'll have to think about that guy was pretty degenerate.

>>11164171
Just raise your kid normally. If they're smart, they'll eventually read good literature of their own accord anyway. Forcing difficult literature onto your child is a surefire way to turn them off reading potentially forever.

>>11164171
I know this is a joke but there are many, many great books for children that will never be a part of the canon. They will be more than ready by the 6th grade, and as every bougie older white mother will attest, "since they read at a 9th grade level"

>>11164227
I'm raising an ubermensch not some sissy. He'll have followers not friends.

>>11164171
I'd start with something like Grimm fairytales first, the Illiad might be a bit too dense with all the fucking ships and shit for him to follow along at such an early age.

I like your plan though and I will probably do the same. Hope you're homeschooling too.

Your kid will thank you in the future, when his childhood wasn't all video games and keeping up with the latest fashion trends.

>>11164235
Yes but I won't even tell him about the other literature so what will he have to complain about?

>>11164228
I agree with you but you need to show them the other side so they can build a resistance for it

They will rebel in their teenage years at some level. If they find out anything that you kept away from them you will break their trust, because they do trust you, and you will most likely lose them

Do what you are doing but show them the world. You have to trust them and let go at some point

>>11164171
that actually stunts a child's intellectual and emotional growth. Just read them good children literature until they naturally have an interest for the heavier classics and start borrowing stuff off your shelf. Have some sympathy for childhood, for Christ's sake.

>>11164239
Yes obviously homeschooled. Maybe later when he's a teenager I'll send him to a prestigious christian boarding school or something when its time for him to explore the world a bit, but I have no trust in the modern public educational system. I wish you and your future progeny the best!

>>11164247
All children does not grow up to be antsy rebellious little cunts.

I bet you're the same kind of person that think every homeschooled kid will grow up to completely reject everything he has been taught.

>>11164260
Pretty good bait famalam

>>11164171
Read some good pedagogical book on parenting instead you retard

>>11164247
Thats a good point. I'll allow some awareness maybe, but I want to make sure his morals are properly ingrained.
>>11164251
I guess I'll have to look into 19th century or early 20th century children's literature then.

>>11164263
You greatly underestimate how difficult raising a child is. There is no way to mold a child into your perfect vision of what you want them to be, and you'll have to come to terms with that eventually

>>11164263
All children do not*

They do to some extent. You cant be the world

>I bet you're the same kind of person that think every homeschooled kid will grow up to completely reject everything he has been taught.

I grew up with plenty of homeschooled kids and most of them are fine. Some had harsher rejections of their parents than others, but they all in their teenage years wanted independence and space from their parents

It isnt anything bad. Parents arent gods that can perfectly time when a child wants independence and wants to take on more challenges where the parents help is only a hindrance

>>11164220
an average 4chan user is familiar with the canon? lmao

>>11164260
>Yes obviously homeschooled.
Glad to hear that.

Ever heard of Roman Roads Media? Haven't tried it but looks pretty good.
>https://www.youtube.com/user/romanroadsmedia
>>11164281
He was talking about raising his kid, not starting a cult.

Raising your kid with the classics or as a Christian or a fucking Pagan is no more of a "forced mold" than any other sort of parenting.

You're showing signs of major availability heuristics.

>>11164279
try The Princess and the Goblin

>>11164279
>Thats a good point. I'll allow some awareness maybe, but I want to make sure his morals are properly ingrained.

Absolutely. Just be honest with them. Tell them that you dont agree with other things about the world, and you hope they dont either, but they are (however old, you decide) and they have to start doing things on their own, so were going to the city to see what the rest of the world is like

If youve shown them the good that you see in your way of living, im sure theyll react in a somewhat similar way to the city as you might. If they dont, they at least wont forget their upbringing

>>11164171
I really hope this is bait.

>>11164289
>a child wants independence
Imagine thinking a child not being able to do these few specific things such as watching tv or internet is majorly stifling the child's ability to express independence.

>>11164171
Start with mythology, folktales, fairy tales, etc. I don't think he'll absorb much of The Illiad at a very young age unless you find a child friendly version.

>>11164311
>Imagine thinking a child not being able to do these few specific things such as

intentionally hiding the zeitgeist of the modern world, as the anon said

That is not the same as
>lol no tv no biggie anon

Imagine turning 16 today, never knowing about the zeitgeist of the world, and seeing somehow start going off about sjw politics their first time in the city. That is going to cause confusion, and if they then find out that that confusion is because their parents have been intentionally hiding the world from them, that is going to cause distrust

That distrust is the issue

>>11164171
This is not going to work when hes in school.

Balance it out with some modern stuff but try your best to educate and explain why what you are teaching him is important.

I am of the strongest belief that two smart parents have smart kids not just because of genetics but because those kids grow up around 2 parents talking, discussing and arguing differently from those of a more simple mind.

I want /pol/ to leave forever

>>11164263
lol no only the stupid ones stay subservient. the intelligent ones rebel but come full circle instead of stagnating and being stuck in limbo like the idiots. we all want the other at some point. heck you're wanting the other now.

>>11164340
>I am of the strongest belief that two smart parents have smart kids not just because of genetics but because those kids grow up around 2 parents talking, discussing and arguing differently from those of a more simple mind.

This

>>11164335
The Amish does very well without knowing about the "zeitgeist". Also i'm sure he can explain the Jews to his son even without internet or tv, if that is what you refer to.
>>11164354
>traditions is limbo
lel

>>11164363
That's not what I was saying. I was saying those who rebel but refuse to come full circle as they still egotistically believe that their naive views are superior to ones built over generations are stuck in limbo. Baka.

>>11164363
>The Amish do*

Stop doing that

>very well without knowing about the "zeitgeist"

So you dont know anything about the amish and just say things

The amish allow their children at the age of 16 to leave and see the world outside of their community before they decide to officially join their church, since they want to be sure when they join, since leaving the church is met with immense shunning, Rumspringa

>>11164205
Wasn't there one lil' fella who ended up speaking Phrygian? I remember hearing about an experiment like that when I studied linguistics.

>>11164171
>only allowing his entertainment to be the Western Literary Tradition starting with The Iliad.
>skipping hesiod
>plebbing your kid straight out the womb
kek

>>11164246
Do you plan on him not having friends?

>>11164340
>I am of the strongest belief that two smart parents have smart kids not just because of genetics
intelligence has like 50% heritability
It's worth noting that people also have recessive genes, very smart parents often have dumb(er) kids
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regression_toward_the_mean

>>11164376
>Stop doing that
How do I know when it's do or does? ;^(
>The amish allow their children at the age of 16 to leave
And OP decided for 13 instead?

>>11164384
I can see that being the case but mainly because we subconsciously look for a partner who will created a more balanced child with most 'intelligence' coming from some sort of imbalance. Maybe a higher average of both dopamine and noradrenaline, for instance. Although this ignores possible neural pathway inheritance.

>>11164396
What the fuck are you talking about

>>11164403
I'm saying that OP was implying his child's "rumspringa" would be at 13.

So he'd experience the zeitgeist.

>>11164411
>The Amish does very well without knowing about the "zeitgeist"

Now youre going back on that, agreeing with me, that it is good for them, for OP and his child, to know about the zeitgeist

>>11164423
No, i'm not going back on that. The entire purpose of the thread is about how he will raise his child until 13.

So "the Amish does very well without knowing about the "zeitgeist" still stands, as it was implied that we're talking about children and not whatever happens at 16.

>>11164382
>>11164237

>>11164433
Youre not fooling anyone

There is nothing special at 13, as OP said
>>11164197
Its a rough guest just like 16 for the Amish for when independence is coming for a child. Every child does not develop at the rate, so you saying that you are holding two positions based on this discrepancy is a joke

The point is that it is important to know about the world when they are becoming true adolescents, whatever the age.

You were wrong to think otherwise

>>11164237
If you can't make yourself into an ubermensch then what makes you think you can raise one?

>>11164453
>No modern books, internet, or TV until he's at least 13.
read: Rumspringa.

>>11164263
>every homeschooled kid will grow up to completely reject everything he has been taught
Nah, only the ones taught by retards like OP.

>>11164516
Nah, there is an entire industry based on homeschooling children in traditionalism.

They'll be fine.

>>11164171
My parents did something similar, I grew up homeschooled in the countryside.

D’aillares(or something like that) myths for children are a great place to start! Find a child’s version of the Iiliad or Greek myths to start with, the 19th century has you covered for children’s lit, see Peter Pan, Anne of Green Gables, Wizard of Oz, etc.

Mother Goose is nice, as is 1920’s-1950’s for early readers. Milly Molly Mandy for realism, anything by Farrar for fairytales.

Good luck on your homeschooling mission! Remember to let him play with the neighborhood kids once in a while.

>>11164260
Oh, and there’s an entire tradition of Victorian Boarding School novels. The Fifth Form at Saint Dominic, Tom Browns Schooldays, etc.

>>11164171
>I'm going to raise my child to emulate aspergers syndrome
jesus fucking christ i hope this is bait.

>>11164377
He said a word that sounded like "bes" the phrygian word for "bread."

>>11164516

>Was taught by a bigger retard than OP

>Rebelled against parents’ mental abuse
>Cherishes the books, early reading, and care put into education as one of the few positive things to come from parents.

>all these people mocking OP for his noble mission

Our children are the future. It's useless to just sit here and complain about how bad the world is when you won't actively do anything to improve it.

>>11164665
If you're poor (read: not wealthy) this shit mean nothing.

>>11164352
>everything I don't like is /pol/'s fault

>>11164237
t. autism

>>11164237
You're either trolling or haven't read Nieztsche. Followers are very much not the order of the day.

>>11164647
You might be talking about the idea of banning TV generally, and that's fair enough. The Greeks themselves however are anti-autists, and will promote physical exercice, moderation in all things, and disregard of black and white thinking. A true study of the Greeks would cure aspergers.

>>11164703
>and disregard of black and white thinking.
I'm not sure what you mean by this unless you're referring specifically to pre-Socratics?

Anon your kid might grow up to be a horrifying homicidal recluse or even worse, a /lit/ poster. If you do this I'm calling child protection services

>>11164171
Fucking kill yourself and your son and free us from your retard genes

>>11164171
who's the father

>>11164789

To be fair I didn't know she was preggo when I met her, thought she was just fat.

>How to raise a literal boogerswallowing sperg.

>>11164171
>Totalitarian snobbism

>>11164171
You're going to raise a retard who doesn't know anything (and isn't interested in anything) except the details of some irrelevant fiction of the past. By all means direct his exposure, but do it in an intelligent manner.

>>11164340
no wonder I'm a brainlet. My dad was a high IQ lawyer but my mom was a bimbo trophy wife incapable of reading anything more complex than Cosmo.

>>11164171
ITT. How to get your son beaten up and grow up without friends until he becomes a school shooter.

Read the Autobiography of John Stuart Mill.

By the time he was eight he could read Plato and Virgil in the original.

Ignore the people in these threads. Seriously ignore them.

I wish I could keep contact with you to know how things will be going for your kids. I plan on doing the same as you, although in my case it will be very hard (my country demands children to go to school, so I'll probably have to get an Italian citizenship and leave for ever).

Yes, produce another J.S Mill, he enjoyed his childhood.

Read him animals encyclopedias and factbooks
WITH PICTURES
Kids love that shit

>>11164171
Actually you should teach him that those things are bad, not hide them from him, if you just hide, when he discovers what he lost he will hate you, but if you teach the bad things that there are on the internet (not like kidnaping or those shit, but actually showing what degeneracy is bad and why he should avoid it) he will be thankful to you in the future
Don't be harsh, be just a teacher, show him what is the best and let him do his track

>>11164898
>implying thats not peak /lit/

>>11164228
>Wrong he's gonna be taught how to camp, start a fire, ride a horse, how to fire a gun, etc from a young age we live out in the hills. I don't want him to have anything to do with the current cultural zeitgeist its all toxic.
You're either going to raise a socially stunted individual or someone thats going to disappoint you and then shaft you into a fucking old folks home for being such a retarded parent. All these idolizations of having a child like this are just projections of your short comings.

>>11164220
I've got a kid on the way, if he turns out to be a shitposting 4channer I might actually end up liking the little bastard

You seem like one of this person that want to live through their kid and whose relationship is going to turn sour real bad when he wants to be his own person

>>11164171
Yeah, great idea. Destroy your child's life. Sure sounds like it's effective. He's going to turn on you the first chance he gets and become the very opposite of what you might want.

I, for one, very much look forward to the time when OP's Ignatius O'Reilly in the making will be able to post on this board.

>>11165082
Lucky. Both my parents are certifiably insane.

What are some worthwhile works on western literary history other than Bloom's Western Canon?

>>11164171
Your whole approach is wrong. You have to guide him through the modern insanity, not shield him from it. Only by being exposed to it from the earlier age, in controlled doses, can he build the tolerance to it and learn to function in the modern world. Otherwise he'll be crushed after using the internet for the first time.

>>11164171
Good intentions, bad plan

Sounds like a foolproof plan to make an autistic asocial nerdfag

>>11164171
Live with your century, but do not be its creature

John stuart mill's father did that to him, all while isolating him from other children so he won't learn their habits. By four he was able to read plato in the original greek, and by age nine he knew everything that a professor of philosophy should know. He then grew up into a neurotic adult with hardly a shred of warmth or human emotion in him. He was bad with women, lusted after another man's wife, and was himself converted to socialism by his wife.

Let your kid get a taste of the real world you fag. You're going to raise an emotional train wreck if you insulate him from it.

>>11164235
>raise kid normally
>if theyre smart
What do you think normally means today?

>>11167028
Don't force your political and religious beliefs on your child or your literary tastes. A child isn't a hunk of marble. If you fuck up, you can't start again. Do everything that every parent should do, that is read to them, introduce them to music, teach them the values of empathy and kindness but don't FORCE anything on them. A child is an individual, not your canvas. And yes, intelligence is a factor. If you try to force material on a child that's out of their intellectual league, you are going to leave some serious doubts in them as to their own self-esteem. Sometimes the tyrannical parent approach works for certain children but more often than not, it results in disaster. A child must be disciplined, but not ruled over.

>>11164171
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkangel_(Black_Mirror)
You sound like the antagonist of that story.

>>11167100
>Don't force your political and religious beliefs on your child or your literary tastes.
yes, send him instead to public education where they'll brainwash him into taking hormones to change sexes when he is 4

that's totally natural though. Not like those parents that try to pass their values to their progeny, what a ridiculous idea, such a thing could never work, it's against the laws of nature

>>11167100
>A child is an individual
t. le boomer ideologue

>>11167770
Parents should TRY to pass their values to their children, but they should still present them with a choice.

>>11167830
what choice? them vs the whole public opinion apparatus of the mainstream media, the education system and the government? they will lose every single time if they take a hands off liberal approach

there's no such thing as a non-brainwashed kid, it's your decision in which hands you leave the brainwashing, choose wisely

>>11167100
Retard, you have to.
If you don't, they will succumb to the filth promulgated by the masses.
I hope you and your entire boomer-values family dies of horrible strain of Ebola one day.

>>11167871
>>11167854
There is an inherent order and naturalness in life that is independent of any individual human will and with which the most beautiful and powerful beings live in harmony with. Obviously the majority of people are more aligned with this harmony than very idealistic ascetics and edgy 4channers, otherwise the human race wouldn't have made it this far.
Don't worry, you'll begin to understand what I'm saying when you'll grow past 20. Until then, you'll find things like pic related very enlightening.

>>11164199
>reading all the Greek to a girl
You don't want that.

>>11164171
>>11164237
Joanna Newsom was raised like this. now she's one of the greatest lyricist in 21st century, so I would like to think that this is good thing anon. make sure you discuss this with your wife first. buy a piano, and once in a while go camping/anything /out/ nature and whatnot.

>>11168316
>There is an inherent order and naturalness in life that is independent of any individual human will and with which the most beautiful and powerful beings live in harmony with
work consume die

>>11168358
There has to be at least some genetic capacity or skilled teaching first, don't you think?

>>11164171
Does his father approve of this? I think you should ask him before making this kind of decision

>>11168358
Joanna Newsom wasn't raised by someone who unironically asks for parenting advice on 4chan

>>11164237
if he can't even have friends, he'll never have followers.

anyway, I support your general project OP, in that you should have a very low amount of pop culture and a very high amount of classical culture for his upbringing. But at least let him watch a few good tv shows, like seinfeld or adventure time. that and good friendships are really all he needs to touch base with modern culture. if you never let him have any contact with modern culture, he'll just resent you. instead you need to be there to show him modern culture and point out why it is garbage compared to classic works.

plus there are classic works for children and you should start with them. narnia, alice in wonderland, edith nesbit, the hobbit, etc. and then work up to stuff like the greeks when he becomes a middle schooler.

>>11168391
>Her parents, both doctors
>Her father played the guitar and her mother was a classically trained pianist

Wow what a fucking shocker.

>>11164298

The people who do Roman Roads Media go to my church. They're great.

>>11168409

(cont.) I was homeschooled myself in the CCE movement but also had a family obsessed with pop culture, movies, and video games (and being obsessed with youtube and netflix and video games myself as a teenager). That was a good balance in some respects, but I wish my family had been less into pop culture, since it was an environment in which we basically didn't do anything else together as a family besides watch movies. since I've been going to a CCE college, I've managed to quit my addiction to watching movies and ignore lame internet culture and just focus on reading great books for school and beyond it.

I'm thinking about become a teacher myself, and I've put a lot of thought into what sort of pop culture I would want my kids (if I had any) to have, or at least how I would try to guide my students if I did become a teacher. Clearly no exposure to pop culture is a great way to make a maladjusted child. But so is a lot of exposure. Basically, what I've decided is to make a list of a few dozen of all the best movies I've seen (and I've seen thousands), whether they are great films or just fun 80's stuff, and I won't show my children anything else. They can spend the rest of their time reading (like I did a lot growing up) and exploring the world outside with real people (which I didn't, and I'm very sorry for it).

>>11168450

(cont.) My hope is that if my children are intelligent enough, and I show them the right sequence of films, they'll grasp enough about pop culture to enjoy it and understand it without wasting that much of their time with it. The real end goal is to make them excellent at communicating with people, because that is what will really get them ahead in life. unfortunately a big part of communication is understanding different disparate parts of pop culture. but in the end the best ways of understanding the world and having good relationships with people require abandoning pop culture and instead reading the great books, working hard, knowing history, knowing how to think critically and research for yourself, and going out and exploring the world and making friendships that don't just revolve around more pop culture. I wish I had more of that growing up, and I hope in the future I will have that.

any thoughts?

>>11168463
Ideals are fine, but I will always be skeptical of these projects because generally, they often run the risk of being overrun by the parent’s ego if not kept in check.

>>11168409
>>11168450
>>11168463


didn't read lol

>>11164171
>/lit/ is this guillible

>>11168476

Yeah, that makes sense. A lot of it would depend on where we lived geographically, what friends the kids would make, so on and so forth. I'd like to think that my ego wouldn't get in the way of making good prudential decisions based on contingent circumstances or the individual desires of the child. like, say there's so many things I would like to teach them: philosophy, theology, literature, history, etc. But as a kid they might not care about that at all and just be more into bugs and robots. and that's great and I would try to cater to that on an educational level.

my question is, if you don't have at least some kind of project or ideal like this in mind, what do you have in mind? are you just going to let your (imaginary or not) kids watch whatever they want to watch and do whatever they want to do? because that's how I was raised, more or less, and I really regret it. I wasted so much time and I was very lonely.

Teach him how to think for himself and logically think through ideas/situations, if you just teach him your ideals with that he will have confidence. Math, philosophy and exercise

>>11164204
>No modern books, internet, or TV until he's at least 13.
Disgusting. You sound like you've been entirely informed of the need to classically educate your kid. How much of this is going to truly rub off if it's not even natural to you?

>>11168511

/this/ is the true greek method. if you read plato's stuff this is literally all he wants you to do. the poetry is optional (or sometimes even frowned upon). history and literature is fun, but at the core, it's gotta be this.

>>11168405
Good post

>>11168405
this

>>11164171
>My wife's son
>no internet or tv
>Reading him the Illiad
I know you're upset with your wife's infidelity, but that's no reason to take your anger out on the boy.

>>11169021
Kek. OP BTFO

>>11164199
What were you reading?
I can't think of very much from Ovid that would be appropriate for a six year old. Maybe the story about Baucis and Philemon from the Metamorphoses? There's not a whole lot I'd consider PG.

>>11168391
i'm not sure about that, but i'm one of those who is actually quite yearning to have any musical instrument at home when I was a child. playing music as a hobby not as formal training to be a virtuoso or anything. as a secondary creative outlet beyond reading the classic or contemporary lit as your child primary exposure. playing musical instrument can be fun and addictive.

>>11165104
He had one little breakdown then subsequently changed British political philosophy.

>>11166777
That's just genetic scotch autismautism

>he was bad with women
It was the Victorian era


Mill lived a great life. Went through periods of depression, but I doubt that was due to his upbringing. If anything his childhood education prepared him to be a wealthy and influential upper middle class gentleman

>>11167100
Nah man I was a product of my parents and my environment and so were you

>>11170309
The modern world is not full of modern “classy” upper class gentlemen. The aristocracy, if you can call it that, is coastal liberal centrists who read The New Yorker like the Bible making six figures and running for the local “good school” PTA. Ignoring this fact will only further harm the youth of tomorrow. Not every sheltered autist grows into Joanna Newsom. I suspect some post on 4chan to this day.

>>11164171
>exclusively only

>>11164171
I don't think you realize what a kid actually is. It's not a small-sized adult, friend. It's an animal that looks like, and eventually becomes, a person

You know jackshit about raising a child.
>No modern books, internet, or TV until he's at least 13
Way to raise an autist by shutting him off from society, you will emotionally stunt him and he will resent you for it. Every decent human being needs to understand his culture enough to be able to freely move within it, from Thales to Montaigne and everyone inbetween. A much safer and more intelligent aproach would be to give him some controlled exposure, don't ban modern books, that's retarded as fuck. Let him watch tv but no more than one hour.
>starting with The Iliad
Are you literally retarded? No kid is gonna be able to understand, let alone enjoy, The Illiad, all you're going to do with this is make them hate the classics.

Here's a better plan for your retarded ass:
-Interact with your child a lot, most of what kids learn is acquired from real life experiences. Walking around on a park, cooking, drawing, all that shit, just keep on doing that and focus on providing information. If you know about plants take them to the park and teach them some random shit at least once every trip. Kids don't learn like an adult in the sense that they're most likely not gonna focus on a book for like 2 hours to extract information, they're learning is based on constant exposure to something until it becomes a part of them.

>>11164197
>13yo boys are old enough not to be swayed by peer pressure

Why is it that only low IQ people have children?

>>11170409
>Way to raise an autist by shutting him off from society

>>11164228
Imagine having such a hypocritical brainlet father... your idea of trad upbringing is so low energy and limited. And to think it’ll be fine for you to enforce strictness on your son while you use 4chan just shows that you’re a terrible person.

Basically OP is an Untermensch degenerate that thinks he’s going to live a virtuous, traditional life through his son. LMAO!

>>11164171
I recommend you stay out of the circle jerk WN YouTube’s and forums and read Jordan Peterson’s 12 rules for life. I think there’s a part in there on raising children. Sounds like you’re clueless t b h.

>>11164171
And get the Marcia Williams children’s version. I found it at school in 5th grade when it first came out and kept it for over a year. But your son won’t be able to read it till he’s at least 5. Just let your wife raise the boy till he’s 5+

>>11170478
>But your son won’t be able to read it till he’s at least 5
Is this a joke or is waiting til five normal?

>>11170732
5+ as in absolute minimum. At 5 children are only learning to read basic childrens books with 3-4 letter words about dogs called spot.

>>11168316
>>There is an inherent order and naturalness
>literally being socially engineered into an ideology that didn't exist for thousands of years
>"order and naturalness"
are you memeing?

>>11171063
>>11170478
t. the eternal pleb

>>11164171
Don't do it, the moment he gets a whiff of freedom, maybe at school, he'll binge read the shittiest thing he can find just to spite you.
I've seen kids in my class spend their entire savings on McDonald's the moment they went to a big school in the city and being out of sight of their controlling eco-parents.

>>11164197
13 is about the age when (semi) intelligent kids today have their atheist phase though

>>11164171
>I was planning on exclusively only allowing his entertainment to be the Western Literary Tradition starting with The Iliad. No modern books, internet, or TV until he's at least 13
Another fagget father trying to force his unlucky offsrping to enjoy the same as him, while obviously being oblivious to the fact that this will probably make his kid hate literature because he's abusive father.
Why do we allow retards to breed again? Cheap labour force?

>>11170422
Newsom's parents were hippie doctors who sent their kids to Waldorf schools and not le epic 4chan traditionalists inspired by Varg and Peterson to protect their kids from kike indoctrination or whatever lame shit OP is peddling.

>>11164171
Dont ask this degenerate board for advice on raising children the right way with proper literature

>>11164396
>How do I know when it's do or does
*In general*, 'does' is used as a verb for singular nouns, and 'do' for plurals.

>>11164237
too late, the ubermensch already walks the earth, and he shitposts online, plays basketball and video games

>>11164363
the amish are fucking losers who live in a cartoon version of the 19th century
they're 3 steps away from being put onto a reservation or being processed into petroleum

>people taking OP seriously

>>11164171
tell me you're at least bilingual if you want to raise an ubermensch. Don't force your kid to be a monolingual brainlet.

do him a favor and make sure he is good at math too.

My family did this to me and i turned to a weeb when i turned 13 so not a good idea. dont pick ur kid future

>>11166777
And yet he was Mill, and, as he himself wrote, it's better to be an unhappy Socrates than a happy swine.

He never regretted the education his father gave him. In fact, he partly wrote his autobiography so that people would learn how to raise a child to become a proper intellectual.

Of course OP should show his son the actual world, but the actual world isn't all big cities and McDonald's. Ideally, his son would grow in a rural environment, in a small community where most people are white, poor and old.

>>11164171
Do pic related (part 1)

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>>11174887
>Of course OP should show his son the actual world, but the actual world isn't all big cities and McDonald's. Ideally, his son would grow in a rural environment, in a small community where most people are white, poor and old
why is it that all the OP's son into some solid person involves retreating from everything influential, instead of building a foundation strong enough to counter that influence?

Another "my child is gifted and will change the course of the world" type of parent. Don't do this to him he won't have any friends and school and everyone will get the feeling that he is a weirdo.

>>11168539
I feel you.

It's very easy to tell when someone is raising their kid in a way different from how they were raised.

The fictitious father that wrote OP is desperately trying to compensate for his degeneracy by raising a work of art. Sadly he doesn't know that a child's mind is a blank slate and you need to be a good writer to fill it with non nonsense.

A lot of salty liberals in this thread. Wife and I plan to have 4 more children. Going to do the same thing with all of them. Mixture of home school / private Christian school, no TV or videogames, lots of reading and classical education (latin and greek from the get go, followed by German/French)

After being raised by the atheistic 60s generation I am determined to wipe out any and all of their degenerate disgusting influences which nearly ruined me as a young man.

God speed fellow anons

>>11164171
I am trying to raise my kids like this. And I have made mistakes. If you dont make them love reading its hard to push even top tier kids books on them. My youngest has rejected it almost entirely, and I have backed off to princess tales. My oldest loves adventure tales and responds super well to London, Robert Louis Stevenson, stuff like that. My 5th column has been having them read poetry and then talking about it stanza by stanza. Its much quicker, and they can handle it, and it increases verbal and reading skills highly. Also, mindfucks work (library of babel or lord of the flies really made them drop their jaws), but just ploughing into the lattimore iliad was 100% failure even at 8. Oscar Wilde's children's story worked really well. But dont deny alvin schwartz or stuff like island of the blue dolphins etc.

A love of reading will create a base, and creating a bubble of free inquiry and undermining general assumptions about the world brought up in church in school will create an inquisitive mind. Dont be dogmatic about the "western literary tradition". be dogmatic about critical thought and scholastic cynicism.

>no modern books
bad bad bad
>no modern tv
not bad but watching something like dragon ball z or pacific rim with your kids and have them cheer is fun
>no internet
their school had them do a project on bald eagles recently, and made them use wikipedia and then research the citations that were accessible in an elementary school. could be worse for 1st grade.

Good luck anon. Learn as you go. Dont be dogmatic or let /lit/ memes on the canon dictate your path (at least until you create a reading list to allow them to get a car or phone).

>>11170478
Better version

>>11176444
still my favourite book of all time

>>11176462
Hector is the hero in that interpretation, and the weight given to andromache is almost iconoclastic, but not unappealing

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>>11176468
really went over well

>>11176436
you sound like a great dad, i'm sure your kids will have a great memory of the time, even of the books that they ended up hating at the time

>>11176473
this may be the single most important children's book ever written

>>11176477
i hope so, but i have to be really strict. I think one of the very real problems in modern public schools and amongst modern mothers is "empathetic parenting" which basically gives validity to your childrens bad behavior as complaint. I dont subscribe to that so sometimes my kids suggest im mean, which hurts a lot internally. I think discipline, especially self discipline in matters of body mind and heart are deeply important, and i give my kids a lot of agency in their actions and decisions, so when they make errors i come down hard. But i cant be any other way. I try as hard as i can to be as positive about good behavior as can be, but always there are doubts. Sorry about blogpost

>>11176492
>I dont subscribe to that so sometimes my kids suggest im mean
just explain to them in a non-condescend and clear way why you are doing what you are doing, kids are smarter than it seems if you actually speak honestly with them

>>11176466
it still influences my reading of the iliad 20 years after i read it. the scene where astynax recoils from hector's helmet is the most powerful moment in the entire cycle for me

>>11176549
>tfw

>>11164171
Don't make your kid grow up as some sort of social outcast, anon. Let him be a normal kid.

>>11176492
What are some good picture books for very young children to establish a love of reading from early on?

>>11164279
There's kid versions of some of the classics I would just do that.

social engineering isn't a good idea, and is especially not possible to build an ubermensch. Most people will react poorly to being designed

>>11176485
Pretty close (it was my great intro to Greek myth). OP, it would be idiotic to expect a small child to appreciate Homer without any maturity or cultural context. Their ignorance and innocence is too profound. Read them D'aulaires and other wonderful kids' books until they're ready.

>>11176850

Is that basically the master list of classics to read?

>>11164237
You don't *raise* an ubermensch, he himself strives to become one.

>>11176110
Not a bad bunch of choices, but Inferno should be read after Virgil and some more classical foundation. Orwell could be read much earlier on as well.

>>11164171

youre going to make them have some kind of mental breakdown, john stuart mill style

>>11176110
This is crazy close to what I read at those ages, other than books that haddent come out at that point.

>>11176112
This less so I read f451 in 8th grade on My own but read alot of dystopian novels in high school. Some of the other stuff I didn't get to till after graduation.

>>11176112
finnegans wake at 17?

>>11168316
>There is an inherent order and naturalness in life that is independent of any individual human will and with which the most beautiful and powerful beings live in harmony with

>>11164237
How could you expect to build a superman when you are not a superman? You can't build what is better than you. The whole world builds him, as a sort of accident. So he could end up being ubermensch by coincidence, but it would involve overcoming you.

>>11170333
A kid raised like JSM could probably run circles around the liberal elite and easily ingratiate themselves into them though.

>>11164171
Why are you having a child if you can't figure this basic shit out on your own? Eugenics when?

>>11176868
Not exactly: there are some there I'd call optional, and some missing. It depends on your focus, as well. If mythology is your first priority, this wouldn't be a great stack.

>>11164171
I go to a private uni with alot of kids raised kinda like that (not as extreme tho), and 8/10 of em end up as the same drunken retards that everybody else becomes in their early 20s.

>>11164279
don't be too hard-assed on that stuff, or they'll resent, but honestly you can read kids books to him and make it fun and it'll be okay. My mom used to take me to the library when I was really little and let me pick out a ton of those weird kids books, We'd grab like 20 and she'd read me a bunch of them at night while I was going to sleep, eventually she moved on up to reading me chapters of other stuff then when I got older I would read myself. one that I remember was the Pilgrim's Pride... I have no idea why she read that to me though...

I have a friend who was raised without watching television and without playing video games. Now everyone makes fun of him for 'not having a childhood' because he had to play piano and do mathematics and shit. He doesn't play piano anymore and he kinda hates his parents for not giving him a childhood.

If you want a broken kid with Peter Pan syndrome, then by all means shove the Iliad in his throat before he turns six, but he would probably go Smerdyakov on your ass when he becomes an adult

>>11164340
Wrong.
Its blood that matters.
A child between two mentally challenged people will most likely be retarded.
No matter how much they argue,no matter how much the make him study.
He will be retarded.
Now a child from two smart parents.
Will most likely naturally be very perceptive.
He will be intelligent,but he could be uneducated,and refusing to develop intellectually.
But he won't be unintelligent.
Sorry,blood is of upmost importance.

>>11178163
You should maintain a mix of limiting tv, reading to, giving some practical skills like music, and allowing to take part in culture

The thing is, is that current culture is a fucking garbage heap.

>>11164171
You are an untermensch raising another untermensch

>>11178401
>pencil-necked brainiac think's he's the avatar of virtue because he has high IQ

>>11164171
>/lit/ my wife is giving birth soon and I was planning on exclusively only allowing

oh great, OP, don't be surprised when you see your daughter dating a black man after years of ordering her not to. why do people keep making this mistake? you lead by example, you moron, and leave them free to choose.

>>11178163
Are you in high school or something?
A ton of people lament that they didn't read more or study more as a kid.
Especially since it's hard to pick up piano or learn another language when you are older.

>>11178589
>the reason for interracial relationships is because of strict parenting
imagine having it all so backwards

>>11172011
if you have an atheist phase, you are in no ways intelligent.

>>11168358
>raised by high IQ jewish doctors
>private schools her whole life
wow yea it was totally her classical upbringing that brought her success

>>11178163
you can have kids involved in current culture without shielding them from it

example: instead of hiding him from garbage hip hop, show him DAW for making beats, and get him some lessons on audio engineering.

shit like that is easy, my cousins got this type of upbringing because their parents werent shitty drug addicts