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>'The death-drive is not a desire for death, but rather a hydraulic tendency to the dissipation of intensities'. Thus, in 'Making it with Death', Land refuses Deleuze-Guattari's alignment of the death-drive with Nazism's alleged 'suicidal impulse', arguing that this alignment is based on conflating the death-drive with a desire /for/ death, rather than viewing it as an immanent generative principle: the primary process 'itself', the path
to inorganic dissolution and the return to the broiling labyrinth of materiality.

>This is finalistic in the sense that the out-of-equilibrium universe, taken as an isolated system, entrains work in the interest of global thermodynamic equilibration. I posit an evolutionary scenario, with a development on Earth from abiotic times, when promoting convective energy flows could be viewed as the important function of dissipative structures, to biotic times when the preservation of living dissipative structures was added to the teleology. Dissipative structures are required by the equilibrating universe to enhance local energy gradient dissipation.

>Summing up the story so far, we might say that the universe, in the quest to regain its lost equilibrium, was presented with a problem by the clumping of matter caused by its own extravagant expansion, and its solution was to destroy clumps by means of other clumps, a ploy which entrained the further evolution of complex forms, all the way to the living and the social.

>life is the universe's One Weird Trick to speed up heat death


oh sweet jesus is this what the final blackpill tastes like

>> No.11161057
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that's a 10-4 good buddy

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>>11161048
Did u write this urself

>> No.11161107

>>11161068
first is from the intro to Fanged Noumena, the other two bits are from these articles respectively:

www.cosmosandhistory.org/index.php/journal/article/view/18/36

www.cosmosandhistory.org/index.php/journal/article/view/189/284

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> repression extends 'all the way down' to the cells of the body, the rocks of the earth, inhering in organised structure as such. All things, not just the living, yearn for escape; all things seek release from their organisation, which however induces further labyrinthine complications. Nothing short of the complete liquidation of biological order and the dissolution of physical structure can suffice to discharge the aboriginal trauma that mars terrestrial existence.

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>>11161221
Or you could realise that the material world is simply a construct of the intellectual and spiritual worlds and that you are, in your truest essence, already totally and utterly free.

>> No.11162117

>>11161048
Deleuze-Guattari
>"It is indeed true that the States, throughout their history, have repeatedly appropriated the war machine; and it was after the war machine was appropriated that war, its preparation and effectuation, became the exclusive object of the machine, but as a more or less "limited" war. ... The various factors that tended to make war a "total war," most notably the fascist factor, marked the beginning of an inversion of the movement: as though the States, through the war they waged against one another, had after a long period of appropriation reconstituted an autonomous war machine. But this unchained or liberated war machine continued to have as its object war in action, a now total, unlimited kind of war. The entire fascist economy became a war economy, but the war economy still needed total war as its object. For this reason, fascist war still fell under Clausewitz's formula, "the continuation of politics by other means", even thou those other means had become exclusive, in other words, the political aim had entered into contradition with the object (hence Virilio''s idea that the fascist State was a "suicidal" State more than a totalitarian one.
>"Unlike the totalitarian State, which does its utmost to seal all possible lines of flight, fascism is constructed on an intense line of flight, which it transforms into a line of pure descruction and abolition. It is curious that from the very beginning the Nazis announced to Germany what they were bringing: at once wedding bells and death, including their own death, and the death of the Germans. They thought they would perish but that their underatking would be resumed, all across Europe, all over the world, throughout the solar system. And the people cheered, not because they did not understand, but because they wanted that death through the death of others.
>"Suicide is presented not as a punishment but as the crowning glory of the death of others. ... Once triggered, its mechanism cannot stop at peace, for the indirect strategy effectively places the dominant powers outside the usual categories of space and time ... A war machine that no longer had anything but war as its object and would rather annihilate its own servants than stop the destruction.

Nick Land
>hurr but actually it's generative, uhhh dissolution, it's like evo but accerelated lmao

yeah not a meme at all

>> No.11162123

>>11161048
fuck off girardfag, the death drive isn't real

>> No.11162185

>>11161048
Here is a biosemiotic/Peirceian point of view.
This only makes sense if life can be reduced to the diadic world of material in action. It cannot, life exists in genuine thirdness, the diads it moves in only play the role of moving from potential to action, thirdness as exists in genetic, ecological and in all of the variety of biosemiotic sign systems, the actions of material are traniseint procsses in the course of life, the substance of life is a third to that, representations of that presist indefinitely after what has been represented disapates, so long as there is something going to realize the potential the third creates, wether in sexual reproduction, trophic interaction, niche construction or whatever that potential created by living goes on to be the action of life, of course this potential can die, itself an action.
In life we have meaning growing indefinitely in spite of the actions of the material it is represented in.

"Blackpill" lol. A fitting term for the type of juvenile this bullshit would impress.

>> No.11162197

>>11161048
For god's sake. These southern Europeans really are on their own hyperemotional planet. Fucking hell. What in the fucking shit is he on about.

>> No.11162216

>>11161048
load of hogwash. the "volume" or mass fraction of life compared to the universe is so low that it has 0 impact, and heat death is entirely unaffected by life. expansion and matter decay are the main factors here. whoever wrote that shit needs to stop writing and be even more of a fuckboy for cocaine instead.

>> No.11162222

More like niggerestani

>> No.11162404

>>11162216
>omg the universe is so big lol, life is a drop in the ocean

imagine being this much of an existencecuck, i bet you're heliocentric too

>> No.11162438

>>11162123
>fuck off girardfag, the death drive isn't real

i can understand why you might think OP was me - a land quote, the slightly wonky copypasted greentext, the select use of capitalization, general air of paranoia and memery - but he actually isn't. but it would probably pass a turing test.

as for the reality of the death drive i'd have to go back and re-read my zizek or whatever before i could give you a non-meme answer to this. but somewhere along the line i'm pretty sure we are beholden to a biological imperative to reproduce the species whether we want to or not, which is basically the point of a lot of freudian/psychoanalytic stuff. zizek describes the DD somewhere as being a brake or check on a pleasure that would be traumatic to experience in real life, because it proceeds from the original and traumatic event of sexuation itself, the original splitting that creates the subject.

but D&G reject most of that, and land, as brassier indicates, is rejecting that rejection as well, so we're a pretty long ways away from freud already. but the death drive, like a lot of stuff, never really is observably real. metaphysics is never really real, but it is a fruitful way of looking at human phenomena.

in the interests of total disclosure, however, >>11161057 is me.

>>11162185
the future is undoubtedly bright for peirce.

>> No.11162445

>>11162438
fuck ooooooooff

>> No.11162463
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so Land is a secular Mainländer?

>Before our universe was born, the only thing that existed was the basic unity*, a being in a state that can only be described by negations: It was not bound to time or space or matter. It existed in a transcendental world that has nothing to with the laws of physics or anything else that we know from our world. All we can say about the basic unity, is that is has been and is no longer, it vanished with the birth of our universe, which is the only miracle that ever happened. Everything that happened after that miracle, the very second the universe was born, is our world where our laws of physics make sense. After defining the basic unity as a being that is absolutely different from us and is furthermore the cause of the birth of our entire universe, we can now give that being the name it deserves: God. But we can not try to describe this God any further, because that would mean leaving our reality, projecting logics that only make sense in our world, into another world. The only thing we know is that the basic unity must have been killing itself, because it was the only thing existing before the universe and therefore it couldn't have been killed by anything else, because there wasn't anything that could have killed it. Therefore the universe, as we know it, was born through the suicide of God. God decided that he can't bear his existence anymore and that he wishes to turn into Nothingness. But he was not able to reach that goal without thereby creating our world, because the path from his over-being** to Nothingness required a transition, which is being as we know it, our universe. This entire world is therefore nothing more than God's "body", that is in all its components rotting into nothingness now.

>The course of the universe is therefore defined as a movement from the over-being (God) through the being (our universe) into nothingness. The world itself is the decay in the plurality, that means in egoistic individuals that are fighting each other. This path is predestined and it couldn't have been any other, any shorter or any longer than exactly how it is. The universal law of the weakening of the power (entropy) causes the world to decay in a large amount of unorganic and organic individuals that are all weakening the power of other beings and their environment and the same time getting weakened themself by the overall course of the universe. The purpose of every natural force, every form of matter and every form of life is exclusively to weaken the power sum of the universe by living the path through the state of being into nothingness. Every part of nature is desiring for absolute death, because that is the ultimate goal of every form of matter and life - to turn into nothing.

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>>11162463
>The universe is in a state of harmony, despite all the fighting and slaughtering that is going on in it. It is in harmony, because every part of it origins from the basic unity, the God that killed himself and therefore created the universe. Each individual once was a part of the basic unity, therefore it is exactly what it decided to be, when it was part of God. All the individual beings, no matter if organic or unorganic, are now representing Gods will to die. Therefore, the will to die is the driving force of the universe. In the unorganic kingdom we have gases, liquids and solid substances. The gas only has one striving: to seperate in all directions. If it could unimpededly exert this striving, it would become weaker and weaker. If it truly fulfilled its striving, it would be annihilated. Liquids only have one striving: It wants to flow apart, to an ideal point, that is outside of itself. The striving for an ideal point outside itself is obviously a striving for annihilation, nothingness. Every solid substance or body has only one striving: to an ideal point, which is outside of itself. On our earth this point would be the center of the planet. If it would reach this goal, it would be annihilated the moment it reached it and turn into nothingness.

>In the unorganic kingdom we have seen the will to die in its blunt form. Now we move to the organic kingdom, where things are getting a little bit tricky. A plant grows, procreates and dies. While in the unorganic kingdom "life" only meant a repression of the will to die by chemical processes, the plant obviously wants life, because it grows and procreates to turn its absolute death into a relative death, by spreading it's "idea" into the future. Therefore, what we see here for the first time, is the will to live. The plant also has the will to die, but it can't reach it in the straight way, therefore its life is a medium for the purpose to reach death. Animals are initially plants and all we said about plants also goes for them. But what seperates them from each other, is that the animal instinctively fears death. If it realizes any threat for its life it either flees or fights for its life. Obviously, what happened here is that the medium (life) is putting itself in front of the purpose (death). The animal is, just like the unorganic individuals, will to die. While plants developed the will to live as a medium for the purpose to reach the goal, which is death, the animals will to die is now completely masked by the will to live. On the surface the animal only wants life and fears death, but that doesn't change the fact that it will eventually die and therefore deep down it is also the will to die, which is the driving force of everything, because reality itself is nothing more than a rotting God. Humans are initially animals and all we said about animals also goes for them.

>> No.11162474

>>11162467
>But what seperates humans from the all the other individuals that repesent the will to die, is that this basic universal will not only gets completely masked like with the animals, but it truly sinks down into the deepest abyss of oblivion and the only thing that seems to be left as the driving force is the will to live. Humans compasionately love their life and even the slightest thought about death disturbes them. The medium coompletely covers the purpose, life is abnormally loved , death is abnormally hated.

http://philosophy-of-redemption.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-rotting-god-mainlanders-metaphysic.html

>> No.11162480

>>11162463
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>> No.11162645

>>11162185
The collected papers
III phenomenology chapter 2
C. Thirdness

§1. Examples of Thirdness 1)

>337. By the third, I mean the medium or connecting bond between the absolute first and last. The beginning is first, the end second, the middle third. The end is second, the means third. The thread of life is a third; the fate that snips it, its second. A fork in a road is a third, it supposes three ways; a straight road, considered merely as a connection between two places is second, but so far as it implies passing through intermediate places it is third. Position is first, velocity or the relation of two successive positions second, acceleration or the relation of three successive positions third. But velocity in so far as it is continuous also involves a third. Continuity represents Thirdness almost to perfection. Every process comes under that head. Moderation is a kind of Thirdness. The positive degree of an adjective is first, the superlative second, the comparative third. All exaggerated language, »supreme,« »utter,« »matchless,« »root and branch,« is the furniture of minds which think of seconds and forget thirds. Action is second, but conduct is third. Law as an active force is second, but order and legislation are third. Sympathy, flesh and blood, that by which I feel my neighbor's feelings, is third.

>> No.11162723

>>11162117
Gonna have to read some D&G it looks like. This shit is awoken

>> No.11163092

>>11162463
Based.

Don't forget Crowley's "the bliss of dissolution atones for life"