/lit/ - Literature

>"Yeah we're not your typical socialists. We don't play by the rules, and we are NOT afraid to say 'FUCK Paul Ryan".

>"We are truly sorry for posing by the Bill Cosby star. It is deeply offensive to women and we will certainly be donating to a number of rape charities. Thank you for checking our privileges, comrades".

These people are pretty dumb. They're kinda amusing at first but once you figure out they just do the same irony, mocking impression routine without ever really explaining why they're against what political subject they're rallying about it gets old real fast.

So radical they share deep convictions with McDonalds and Walmart

söycialism

Bunch of CHUDS in this thread. /lit/ is a certified leftist board. Greywolves back me up.

I just preordered it on amazon.com®

>>11155911
Fag.

>>11155627
Honestly, if you want to rebel against capitalism you have to do it violently these days. None of this punching nazis crap, you have to look at the french revolution of the the constant feeding of the guillotine. You need to actually kill the 1% in order for there to be change.
>FBI I do not condone violence, i'm just saying that this is how revolutions work

>>11155939
>None of this punching nazis crap
Better off 'allying' with so-called 'nazis'. I'm pretty sure most of them agree with or can come around to some notion of anti-capitalism. Given that the foundations and present hegemony of it are antithetical to the things they espouse (which isn't neonazism or even fascism, as far as I've seen -- despite what anyone says).

Also, the 1% weren't killed in the French Revolution. It was a mess of thoughtpolicing, just random killings basically. Very akin to the American notion of 'communism' (basically a fiction of those few decades and beyond) during the cold war. In which someone could randomly call you a communist and boom, there goes your liberties, replaced by hatred from everyone (and possible imprisonment).

>>11155685
This is the thing I don't get about them.
"dirtbag left". What is dirtbag about them?
They are upper class white guys who like progressive social policies and are economic letists. Ok, so what. How is that controversial in their circles? How is any of that going to get you fired or ostracized?

>>11156066
They make crass jokes.

>>11156080
Mate, I'm serious, what is dirtbag about them? I feel like I'm not getting something here.

>>11155627
>Anything American
I swear americans ruin whatever they touch

>>11156083
They're not like the stodgy socialists of old, these guys ironically listen to shitty rap and say things like "this rips" and "my dude" and type in detached lowercase. It's a fresh, cool and most importantly chill way of dismantling capitalism via Patreon donations.

>>11156083
So am I, they're crass and embrace vulgarity and don't have real jobs, that's it.

One of them comes from money
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Menaker

how is it possible that the two most punchable faces of all time happen to be hosting the same podcast?

>>11155939
any legit anticapitalist movement will have to embrace extreme nationalism, radical islamic terrorism, homo/transphobia, esoteric hitlerism and the teachings of Charles Manson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-P2aXAOBW4

>>11156083
At least in the USA, 'dirtbag' really just points to a contempt for mainstream American Liberal respectability politics. Personality Cults are such a big part of American politics that you can seem edgy and subversive by just not taking the people in question very seriously.
So yeah it's a dumb label that doesn't mean much beyond willing to talk shit about the DNC

>>11156170
Virgil is pure evil

yinz ought to read this. Sums up the whole wanna-be edgelord left

https://jacobitemag com/2017/05/26/chapo-traphouse-will-never-be-edgy/

>>11155627
I don't know who these guys are, but I appreciate that they legitimately piss you all off enough to be spammed here.

>>11156469
By that standard you must admire a lot of awful people.

>>11155911
>everyone on this board thinks exactly what I do.

>>11156485
I know, I described 70% of Trump voters. And I didn't even say support, just that I appreciate their form of pissing 4chan off must be genuine because they're are tons of people who look like them and do political shit on the internet but they've been so singled out lately.

>>11155701
yeah, once you convince yourself they do this thing that they don't do at all it gets old real fast, but you gotta be able to keep deluding yourself for some time otherwise it won't work

>>11156408
kahnzaaavatizm iz da nuuuu countaculltcha

>>11156408
Jacobite is just as bad as Chapo

>>11156652
Did it in the last few episodes I listened to. Inbetween those there was one of them being paranoid about healthcare.

>>11156083
They attempt appeal to younger demographic to sell whatever it is they are marketing through repackaged image which is same product as old rewrapped.

These guys are just Sam Hyde but they read Debord.
Not even bad considering the absolutate state of the US, but nothing anyone over the age of 21 should be thinking about.

>>11156066
they follow the leftist etiquette rules from last year instead of the rules from the current year, they are radical dude, you have to be very brave to do something like that

>>11156408
>jacobitemag
ever time i expect Jacobin mag, but i guess with that title that level of leftist self-awareness is not something of this earth

>>11156693
why? it's great

>>11156751
>These guys are just Sam Hyde
except they have never made and edgy joke

>>11155972
>>11155939
The french revolution was the establishment of the 1% tbqhwy, it was the merchant and tellers class using peasants as soldiers in a war against the natural aristocracy.

>>11156827
every single revolution is just a small aristocracy justifying themselves by calling every decision they take "the people's will"

>>11155627
Chapo's literary analysis of Ben Shapiro's novel was good

>>11156820
It's for """"""far right"""""" beta males just like Chapo is for """""""far left""""""" beta males

>>11156685
That may not be true, but anything associated with the left in the western world isn't capable of counterculture.

>>11156835
Yes, but the french revolution was ostensibly about liberalism and can really be pinpointed as the birth of modern capitalism.

>>11156824
Mate the literal first post in the thread is an edgy joke gone wrong by them

>>11156851
that's not edgy by any sane standard, maybe for the current year, but wouldn't even register 3 years ago

>>11156840
why? there's no pandering in Jacobite

>>11156867
Yeah mate a joke making fun of the left, rhe right, rape and the confederate statue debacle at the same time somehow isn't edgy, sam hyde being a fat slob on camera is though

>>11156840
you're gonna need to expound on that one, buddo

>>11156843
>neoliberal capitalism on the rise everywhere
>this is somehow the left's fault
makes me ponder tbqh

>>11156751
>These guys are just Sam Hyde
Wrong, these guys have healthcare

>>11156891
literally the same kind of retarded timeline criticism "right side of the history" american retarded shit

this should be obvious to anyone whose political education took course anytime before the last 2 years, but this is asking too much of /lit/, as I see now

>>11156902
link one Jacobite article about "right side of the history", there's a lot of description in Jacobite but very little prescription

>>11156902
>literally the same kind of retarded timeline criticism "right side of the history" american retarded shit
[citation needed]

>>11156902
>literally the same kind of retarded timeline criticism "right side of the history"
there's literally a recent Jacobite article mocking that kind of thinking
>We will not take sides then. Or rather, we will not only take sides. Those who talk about the “right side of history” or play the ablution game are already off the scent. They will be unable to analyse the whole scene. Virtue and vice-signalling are merely dialectical halves. A space might be imagined where neither is indulged. Where an empty tension is risked.
https://jacobitemag.com/2018/05/14/somebody-wants-to-take-down-nick-land/

>>11156895
The left are the current moral enforcement of the neoliberal order.

>>11157090
I don't think you know what left or neoliberal means, i assume you're an american so I should ask you to educate yourself on both those things before we proceed.

>>11156084
Late reply, but this is fair.

>>11156948
>We will not take sides then. Or rather, we will not only take sides.
Thanks for wasting my time with the first sentence then. But what are they doing besides taking a side?
>off the scent
Off the scent from what?
>They will be unable to analyse the whole scene.
Does talking about the right side of history not usually come before analyzing?
>Virtue and vice-signalling are merely dialectical halves.
This sounds like a good thing to me; they have been used since ancient Greece with good results. I am unsure what is meant by "merely."
>A space might be imagined where neither is indulged.
Wow! I never thought anyone could imagine something.
>Where an empty tension is risked.
Good idea. We could call this a "safe space."

>>11157114
I'm well of what both means. Just because they're ideologically opposed, doesn't negate their current alliance. Each side thinks they'll destroy the other in the long run, but for now they're more than happy to work together.

>>11156948
>right wingers talking about dialectical analysis of society
keked

>>11157141
did you just analyze an overtly-stylized isolated paragraph from an article just because of your autism? or were you trying to make some sort of point?

>>11157155
>their current alliance
>Left
>Neoliberals
When's the last time you met a unionist? When's the last time you heard a political figure talking about material analysis?
Mainstream liberal parties are overtly hostile or at best dismissive of Unions, class, or community organizing IRL. The "Left" is absolutely dead as fuck
Just because they happened to share some culture war positions with the current smiling managerial class doesn't mean they're "allied" or even meaningfully aligned on any issues of actual substance.
It's ignorant melodrama at best, willful conspiracy theorizing at worst

>>11157236
>The "Left" is absolutely dead as fuck
Dude let me tell you. In Italy the people enforcing neoliberal reforms are the same who call themselves "the left" and used to be proud communists. For fuck's sake, some still are. The "left" is not dead, it's just become the watchdog of the capital, having misunderstood globalisation for internationalism. This is why neoliberalism and left-wing parties seemingly have the same goals and thus work together.

>>11155627
kek

>>11155911
Leftist anon here, no chapo sucks. Faggot.

>>11157338
>Socdems embracing the Third Way means they are leftists
Oh no, well known sellouts are selling out, oh noooo

>>11157338
>How could these groups not be the same? They're both doing the same mean stuff in my anecdote...
That said this is my fist time encountering the idea that all the modern day hyper capitalists are actually communists who forgot to care about production relations, congrats on that I guess.
If you'd like to talk about a specific policy or ideological standpoint to try and draw a through-line from Communist theory to unrestrained global "capitalism with a human face" then be my guest, but I'm not interested in whatever this is

>>11157338
>PD
>Neoliberali
La cultura dell'italiano medio, signori e signore

>>11157389
Apri gli occhi, piddino

>>11157458
ma quale piddino, babbeo

>>11157236
If the left is dead, then who are these gaggles of anarchists that keep popping up and organizing riots?
The left is alive and for the time being working with those supportive of unregulated global capitalism, all the while hoping to hang the latter with the rope that was sold to them.

>>11157141
It's almost like you only read the quoted paragraph and not any of the surrounding content

>>11156066
You need to contextualize this as a reaction to the pearl-clutching centrist corporatist democrats who deal in respectability politics and get outraged at jokes while ignoring substantive policy decisions that hurt the marginalized.

What's dirtbag about Chapo is the raunchiness and the lack of getting offended. The alt right's main criticism of the left for years now is that they're thin skinned pussies who get offended at everything. So now we have a new left who are disregarding the Clintonite idea of political decorum, which has been proven to not work.

For example. Most mainstream democrats like George W Bush now because he's #Resistance. Most mainstream democrats ignore John McCain's massive legislative failings because he's dying of cancer. The dirtbag/chapo left says "fuck these people, they were war criminals, and their family are rich scum who deserve cancer too."

This is the alt-left that has emerged in reaction the alt right. It is raunchier and more militant because it understands that Clinton's "they go low we go high" bullshit was bullshit all along.

>>11157359
why tho bitch

>>11156751
>These guys are just Sam Hyde but they read Debord.

So they are funny but instead of being reactionary chuds they've actually read the most important book of the 20th century and apply it to their worldview?

Sounds good to me.

>>11157090
Lol. The entire Trumpian epoch is neoliberal as fuck you chud.

>>11157646
>then who are these gaggles of anarchists that keep popping up and organizing riots?
I doubt smashies smashing has any relevance in the political landscape. Using them is clutchign straws at this point of time. Call me when they go Haymarkert again

>>11157681
I'm genuinely baffled by the stupidity of americans

None of their eyes have any life behind them. When will the lizard people get better soul simulators?

>>11155685
>that pic
I mean it would be funny and edgy if a Milo or Sargon did it but since it's a bunch of fucking aging basedboys I have decided to view it as decidedly tame. The label of rebel is reserved for those who punch down, like confederates.

>>11157704
Every growing company and industry in this age of global capitalism veer to the left socially. Dying industries desperate for protectionism to prop them up a little longer have shifted to the right.
I know being honest with yourself isn't your strong suit, but take a good look at your allies and enemies in whatever "struggle" you're currently engaged in.

>>11157740
You say these big companies veer to the left socially, but that's a veneer reserved for the American workers only. They all are dependent on the wartime economy, the police, the institutions of private property, the justice system, the prison pipeline, and the exploitation of the third world at large to be able to provide goods and services in the manner that they do.

There is no ethical consumption under capitalism but there are ethical consumers because consumption is necessarily unavoidable due to the existing power structure, which is imperialist and exploitative at its core no matter how many social justice bones are thrown from on high.

>>11157740
And both are instances of neoliberalism. Neoliberalism is not a strictly left or strictly right ideology. Pls read Harvey and don't post again until you do.

>>11157740
>companies pandering with idpol means they are "moving left"

Laughing at your life

>>11157773
How is McDonalds dependent on war or prison pipelines, exactly?

>>11157794
>hahaha if I can get him to admit this one company he didn't even mention by name isn't dependent on war or prison pipelines then that means his premise is flawed and that the entire economy is actually ethical.

Since you asked McDonald's is dependent on many objects manufactured in the third world, which objects are shipped to them with transportation networks dependent on fossil fuel industries and the petrodollar. The third world economies cannot be allowed to grow to an extent that the people there demand high wages like Americans do. If it does reach that point, the US economic hegemony is threatened. So the US military and intelligence agencies will use proxy agents to sell weapons to militants and destabilize the region with increasing prosperity, so that the US military can invade for "human rights violations" and institute a puppet regime that will help maintain US economic hegemony.

This has been the game for about a century now.

>>11157793
All politics are identity politics. Corporations want a world of atomized units subject to total control and panopticon driven surveillance. I think Kanye (and Junger Debord, Land and Hyde) had it right, you gotta refuse their whole framework and morality or else you are merely another enforcer. It's not about left vs right, but about rising above the leveling technological forces of total control or else perishing. 'Leftists' have nothing going for them beyond nostalgia and skinnerbox callout sadomasochism yeah I get it you are one of 'the good whites' you read vox and the Atlantic, you are working on deconstructing your toxic masculinity and you really TRULY care about those poor 'marginalized folks'

>>11157843
>yeah I get it you are one of 'the good whites' you read vox and the Atlantic, you are working on deconstructing your toxic masculinity and you really TRULY care about those poor 'marginalized folks'

This is what cancerous idpol actually looks like, my chud

>>11157773
That's nice and all, but it negates none of my claims. I said that though they may be ideologically opposed, they are more than happy to ally with each other on a number of fronts. The current set of circumstances had maed for strange bedfellows.
>There is no ethical consumption under capitalism but there are ethical consumers because consumption is necessarily unavoidable due to the existing power structure, which is imperialist and exploitative at its core no matter how many social justice bones are thrown from on high.
I get it, it's a relationship formed out of necessity, but be careful. You may think you'll have the upper hand, but it's all the more likely that they'll hang you with the rope you bought from them.
>>11157793
Moving left enough for all the trve leftists to gladly ally with them. If the real left existed to the extent that you guys claim, they would have prevented idpol from taking over every left-leaning discourse out there.

>>11157843
>Kanye
>Land
>Hyde

Still laughing at your life

>>11157843
>but about rising above the leveling technological forces of total control
look at your url bar

>>11157843
Twitter in particular serves as a machine for narcissism. Your politics are nothing but affects, responses to stimuli, and pretty banal ones at that.

>>11157857
Idpol has taken over all right-leaning discourses too, my chud.

>>11157866
>taken over
It was there the whole time. The right never claimed to operate outside of it.

>>11157857
>Moving left enough for all the trve leftists to gladly ally with them

Ahh yes, all those commies and Marxists allying with corporations for pandering with idpol.

The fuck are you even talking about?

>If the real left existed to the extent that you guys claim, they would have prevented idpol from taking over every left-leaning discourse out there.

Literally no leftist claims that there's a "real left" that exists. In fact most "trvue leftists" would claim that the left is dead.

>>11157843


>I get it you are one of 'the good whites' you read vox and the Atlantic

But Vox is shit written by corporate centrist democrats and imperialists

Go on the Chapo Subreddit and read any thread with a Vox or Atlantic link and you will see that the people there despise it.

Chalk trap house is a bunch of CIA democrats
Their 'socialism' basically sums up to supporting bernie sanders

>>11157876
And now they resent that liberals are operating inside idpol. Interesting. Almost as if reactionary ideology is built upon nothing but resentment and projection.

>>11157852
You are what you make of yourself. I don't give a fuck about 14 words or muh iq. I'm a strategic racist all my positions are provisional and purely strategic. I care about my autonomy and the power of independent thought. You don't understand even a millionth part of what's really going on.

>>11157882
>Ahh yes, all those commies and Marxists allying with corporations for pandering with idpol.
>The fuck are you even talking about?
One works to suppress the far right in the streets. The other does it in the business world, education, the internet, etc. Major corporations and other powerful entities essentially run campaigns to justify and intellectualize aany and all examples of left-wing violence and help them maintain complete and total dominance of nearly all social spaces.
>Literally no leftist claims that there's a "real left" that exists. In fact most "trvue leftists" would claim that the left is dead.
I see plenty of claims about anti-identity politics left that exists somewhere. Seems like they just can't admit that the barebones marxist analysis they love fails to adequately account for the marginalization of difference or whatever it is you people circlejerk yourselves around.

>>11156066
They take pride in not looking presentable and not respecting government or media institutions.

That's pretty much it. They criticize a lot of identity politics sometimes but they're still extremely "woke".

>>11157891
>people resent their opposition, especially when they're successful
Man what great insights you're bringing to this conversation. Yes people supportive of right wing identity politics dislike leftist manifestations of identity politics. That's pretty easy to see without the lazy psychoanalysis.

>>11157891
All politics are identity politics. Even muh rationalism or dialectical materialism are culturally conditioned subjective identities. Most people are barely even worthy of being called people, they are just hosts for cable news or slightly more sophisticated social media mimetic dynamics. I might be a megalomaniac, but I see myself as a post human if not superhuman entity who is above left and right good evil nationality race etc.

>>11157910
>muh idpol is GOOD, your idpol is BAD

You have to go back.

As a proud Marxist-Leninist I I unironcally take an anti-intellectual stance on books along the lines of "Society of the Spectacle"

>>11157970
Yes only read party line approved books

>>11157930
There is no room for genuine difference anymore. All woke people sound and think exactly the same, all of them want to feel represented by capeshit/tv/CEO role models they are only distinguished by the most superficial of characteristics

>>11157966
Exactly. I only care about my will to power and my own snowflake identity, which is at once a weapon against all the forces of assimilation and a work of art.

>>11156066
They're dirtbag because they don't look clean cut like mainstream left wing figures and like 4chan and twitter humor

It's really just an aesthetic thing meant to identify them with youth and with working people

>>11157960
>All politics are identity politics

Wrong. Class is not an identity. You can wake up tomorrow to a changed identity, or to changed conditions for your identity, and still be exploited under capitalism. Running the circuits of capital from production through consumption, identity can only lead us back to the office, the factory, or the streets, allowing at best our coalescence around particular consumer cultures. Ya fucking simp.

>I see myself as a post human if not superhuman entity who is above left and right good evil nationality race etc.

Holy fucking cringe

>>11155826
Underrated post.

>>11158007
Lets be honest, you aren't gonna abolish capitalism by self flagellating about 'ableist slurs' on twitter or donating to some NYC podcast jew's blow fund on patreon. I'm just here for the ride for the sublime and the depraved.

>>11158017
Source? Citation needed.

>>11157859
Gnon is laughing at yours

>>11155685
fpbp

>>11158044
>Gnon

Cringe

>>11158007
Capitalism isn't inherently exploitative though. When will you retards realize this

>>11157960

>Even muh rationalism or dialectical materialism are culturally conditioned subjective identities.

I think this is getting unwieldy. The way I understand this is a sort of "you make your own reality man" approach to interpreting politics, but maybe I'm wrong. Sure, you could say that your class identity is conditioned and subjective, though conditioned by what? You described it as "cultural", but is the primary impetus for somebody who sees themself as belonging to a group of people called "lower-class", or "underpriviledged", or "working class" etc. based even MOSTLY on cultural conditioning? Or is it partially based on cultural conditioning in the sense that there is a working class identity that predates them which they can say "I belong too", but they felt drawn to that identity or otherwise driven to look in areas which drew them closer to that identity because of the material conditions of their lives? Maybe they felt they didn't make enough income, which put stress on their ability to provide for themselves and others, and when they tried to find a way out they weren't sure what their opportunities were? Maybe because of that they felt a bit fucked and started looking to the group of people that said "we're fucked too, join us and we can get unfucked"?

At that point can we really say that this particular form of identity is not at the very least equally distributed between cultural conditioning, and conditioning by material reality?

Useless ranting post since you call yourself a superhuman or whatever, you're obviously either a troll or some kind of dissociative anti-social, but I've seen the claim before so I thought I would lob this at somebody bringing it up.

>>11158031
>you aren't gonna abolish capitalism by self flagellating about 'ableist slurs' on twitter

I just said idpol is a dead end, so yeah, thanks for reiterating what I already said you moron

>>11158049
t. shut in queer furry posts yet another captain America punch nazis meme

>>11158017
>Just take it SLOW, bro
So this is the deep philosophical acumen of the anglo

>>11158051

You're wrong, when will you retards realize this.

>>11157843
>non ironically putting Land, Junger and Debord in the same box
>non ironically thinking Sam Hyde and Kanye West are on the same level as Nick Land, Ernst Junger and Guy Debord
seriously I'm an anarchist but I can see how america actually needs a fascist dictatorship, it's irresponsible to leave you people to your own devices

>>11158056
>t. shut in queer furry posts yet another captain America punch nazis meme

Cringe. Gnon is for aut-right Gnostics who are too moronic to understand Aristotlean Natural Law.

Save your soul, heathen. Never too late to become Catholic.

>>11158051
>Capitalism isn't inherently exploitative though

>unironically using the word chud

>>11158062
>>11158085
Good luck having any serious political project when you're basing all your ideas on braindead theories of value.

>>11158090

Why is this face a meme it's driving me fucking crazy.

>>11158065
>Unironically speaking of Debord and Land positively

>>11155939

>>11155627
>Rapist Frat House
But why?

>>11158090
>unironically using soi memes

>>11158092
Lurk moar, chud

>>11158097
Yes because speaking of Sam Hyde and Kanye positively is much better
Also Debord was literally right and you're just mad he mocked you for liking animu girls

>>11158092
They creep me out. Even the beardo guy with the Cookie Crisp cereal box, there is something just incredibly unnerving about these images

>>11158097
Land is trash but Debord wrote the most important book of the 20th century.

>>11158051
>Capitalism isn't inherently exploitative though
yeah mate people work under sub-slavery regimes on sweatshops and plantations out of their own volition

>>11158107
Debord is just Adorno for people who are too dumb to read Adorno and want to posture.
Baudrillard, on the other hand, is just Debord for people who are too dumb to read Debord, which makes Baudrillard readers twice as dumb.

>>11158091

Every pro-cappie internet retard who talks against the LTV for the past 15 years or so has been a mushbrained weasel who moans about mudpies or selling poop laboriously fashioned into cubes, so unfortunately I'm going to file your anonymous criticism in the shitpile of internet garbage that we can only hope future digital historians will never be cursed to read.

>>11158107
Not so long ago All the irony morons worshipped Sam Hyde and wokelets would rage at you and call you racist for not being enthusiastic enough about Kanye

>>11158115
yeah I'm sure they would prefer starving instead of actually working a job. If only they could.

>>11158112
>Land is trash but Debord wrote the most important book of the 20th century.
Do you really believe that? Tell me whit it is more important than Taylor's Principles of Scientific Management.

>>11155627
How many of you post on r/chapotraphouse?

Be honest.

And what are your thoughts on Felix being an abuser?

>>11158115
Read Steven Pinker's the better angels of our nature, the proceed to study the works of Thomas Sowell

>>11158132
The Spectacle clearly has you, anon

>>11156170
The guy on the right looks pretty normal to me.

>>11158120
I don't think internet historians are ever going to read arguments between pro and against capitalism retards since the "against" side is increasingly making itself irrelevant.

>>11158120
not an argument

>>11158119
Yeah you epeating those age old memes while probably never reading Adorno or Debord to realize they only sound similar at their start point surely is making both sound even righter than they already did in my head
>>11158121
Nigger who the fuck even cares I've been baffled about both mens' success since I first heard of each of them, two cunts that could only come to fruition in the cesspit called the US of A
>>11158130
yeah, sure, people were fucking starving until capitalism came and saved them, making them starve for other reasons.
If you think without capitalism those people wouldn't have pre-industrial societies and basic agriculture subsistance like non-capitalist peoples all around the world, you are even dumber than I thought it was possible
>>11158140
>Pinker
>Sowell
I only work with academics, sorry lad

>>11158142
>hehehe, everyone who disagrees with me is LITERALLY BRAINWASHED
sums up Marxist thought since they realized that capitalism was here to stay

>>11158149

Against what?

>>11158151
Kanye Hyde and Trump are the wisest beings on this planet

>>11158174
i very much doubt so since the three of them look like netdecking fags

>>11158138

As for Felix what? Continue the story, where is that from?

>>11158151
I didn't even know it was "an old internet meme" desu, those are just the conclusions that I've arrived to after reading those three and interacting with Debordfags online, which are some of the most economically illiterate people you'll ever met, despite the fact that they call you brainwashed for disagreeing with their guru.

>>11158151
>Capitalism hasn't greatly reduced poverty around the globe
imagine being this ignorant

>>11158189
It’s Virgil that’s the abuser, not Felix though.
Sorry, I get the names mixed up

>>11158157
Everyone is "brainwashed" - even Marxists. That's how ideology functions. Don't get buttfrustrated about it.

>>11158208

Ah, I've heard that rumor at least. Something about him dating a high schooler? I tried to dig up internet dirt on that but never found any sources, so I wasn't sure what the deal was.

>>11157681
>It is raunchier and more militant because it understands that Clinton's "they go low we go high" bullshit was bullshit all along.

Lmao. But most centrist libs don't actually believe that. You can cherrypick a small handful of articles from libs who do this, but as a whole, they're extremely tribal and literally believe in borderline phrenology type shit when it comes to the wwc who are course congenitally reactionary and racist. They don't actually care about the discourse or whatever, and most of them, particularly #Resistance libs, love the punching Nazi shit (imagine placing greater blame for white supremacy an irrelevant e-celeb like Spencer rather than the cops). I really don't see how Chapo's approach is any different from, say, Bill Maher's, albeit from a socdem rather than a Zionist Democrat POV. Looking at the Chapo sub, it's all people championing the Parkland teens and saying how dirtbag David Hogg is for using swears at Paul Ryan or whatever. I remember the Chapo guys saying they didn't want to just be a Leftist Daily Show sometime around the election, but a year and some change and about a million dollars later, how much air time have they devoted to discussing labor issues and meaningfully criticizing actual power versus dunking on soft targets like Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro?

>>11158217
That and mocking rape victims on twitter, both in response tweets and DMs.

The whole dirtbag aesthetic lends itself to really objectionable and antisocial behavior, exemplified in Amber’s defense of the rejection of “bourgeois civility” in an argument where she was just calling a fellow leftist woman crass slurs.
They’re all bums and the fact that their audience is 90% 20-something-year-old males tells you everything you need to know

Idpol and capitialism isnt going anywhere you absolute dorks.

>>11158230

>how much air time have they devoted to discussing labor issues and meaningfully criticizing actual power versus dunking on soft targets like Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro?

Probably not as much as some would like, but I get the impression it is because they're a bit afraid to do it. Like their comfort zone is talking shit and doing entertainment, even if Will or Matt might be embarrassed about just doing the same shit Maher, Noah or whatever that british guy's name is (they straddle the line with the same kinds of deflections Stewart would use when they say stuff like their podcast isn't real activism. I get the point, but it's a bit like saying "I'm a comedian, you can't take my social/political commentary seriously"). But they do have the virgil interviews with candidates, or the random Amber spot inviting people to the Brooklyn DSA to learn how to canvas for M4A or whatever.

>>11156170
i fucking hate will on twitter, he's incredibly irritating. i wouldn't care if these guys or their ilk died desu.

>>11157704
shut up retard

>>11158217
Texas also introduces Sam Hyde in that infamous video where he starts reading 'hate facts' about gay people in a brooklyn comedy club.

>>11158256
Reminder that Colbert and Oliver’s writing teams are unionized in that East Coast writer’s guild led by anarchist Kim Kelly.

>>11158236
has anyone even dug up virgil's real identity

>>11158260

>>11157141
lol this is what left wing retards that dropped out of school think "lit crit" is like

>>11157166
le KEK! chuds would never know about philosophy right my shadilay bros? ;)

>>11158272
thats right. i call people chuds. i saw "Trumpian epoch". i use molyneux image macro memes. i guess you could say im a child of the internet

>>11158236

I think Amber is a bit paranoid, and she almost wears it on her sleeve. She was the one who liked to bring up Mark Fisher's Vampire Castle post frequently, and she has had several instances on social media where she has started aggressively calling people who criticize her "cops" or "provocateurs" or whatever. She has a bit of a Stalinist streak in her. She wants success for the left so badly that she is willing to basically declare people who are critical as dishonest, needing to be shunned, and I don't doubt she believes it. It's a bit in line with Chapo's hatred of "the discourse", which is mostly valid I think, but taking it to a rejection of any dissent is pretty tankie.

>>11158283
rightwingers are literally unable to look at society dialectically which is why they always mistake the causes for the effects and end up losing every single war with the left

>>11158302
do you not know about the right-hegelians, you literal massive fucking retard?

>>11158302
Literally this

Chapo is funny but only when they rag on retarded shit like that Ben Shapiro novel, I don't understand why everybody treats they're some authoritative figure on the left, the only people on it that ever spoke about theory were Christman and Amber, and only rarely. It is a shame though that their fanbase is so fucking annoying, that shit about the bill cosby joke was so overblown. You'd wonder what would happen if their tumblr fans found out they were friends with Nick Mullen and the Cum Boys.

>>11158302
furthermore, i'dd add that the only right wingers worth their salt are the OG reactionaries and Carl Schimtt since they actually have a coherent system of thought

>>11158310
They were all undialectical as fuck, my chud

>>11158315

They should know, it gets dredged up sometimes. And they've mentioned Nick on the podcast.

>>11158266
His real name is Justin Cass.

Also worth noting that he was the one who took this infamous picture.

>>11158324

lol how do we know that?

>>11158312
gotta love left wing dipshits on here that make broad accusations & proclamations about the right, definitely not out of autistic anger, but dispassionate judgement

>>11158319
you're a pea brained loser hahaha

>>11158310
lol at invoking the right hegelians, the guys who thought that their status quo was the end of history because "everything that is real is rational" and that history couldn't progress any further

>>11158297
They’re all mentally ill champagne brocialists who come from old money.
Pay them no mind.

>>11158320
Well yeah they name drop him and had him guest once I think, but people aren't necessarily always up to date on bullshit twitter drama.

>>11158335
, my chud

>>11155627
Charles Manson is the only 'Dirtbag Leftist' that matters. unlike Chapo he was a real ally to PoC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-P2aXAOBW4

>>11158331
>gotta love dipshits on here that make broad accusations ... definitely not out of autistic anger
>"you're a pea brained loser"

>>11158352
epic feels man meme image. do u have a twitter so i can follow u 4 funny jokes & see u dunk on CHUDS w ur knowledge of german idealism & the feels guy meme

>>11158337
I thought Amber was the blue-collar midwest one?

>>11158331
>you're a pea brained loser hahaha

No really, they were so undialectical that they actually unironically thought that Prussian bureaucracy was the end point of human history. Lutherans are the real pea brained losers, hahaha.

>>11158369
this might surprise you but right wingers lie constantly

>>11158364
>the absolute state of this seething chud

>>11158380
god dude shut up. you think in memes, ur human vomit. why do you even exist?

>>11158377
youre trash. log off of real life

>>11155701
That’s basically /lit/ in a nutshell

>>11158374
, my chud

>>11158390
>youre trash
case in point

>>11158412
no u actually are lol

>>11156694
no they didn't and no they're not

all the left wingers that are reduced to bitter anger about how all of the right is x or y used to comment on noam chomsky youtube videos in their teens, have parental issues & thought occupy would actually lead to the revolution

>>11158416
even when presented with a chance to retract his lie and act in a manner befitting a reasonable gentleman, the reactionary cannot but indulge his primitive impulse of doubling down on the lie

>>11158428
this but unironically

>>11158430
I’m not that guy, chud.

Amber is the one that doesn’t come from money, yes, but she’s been a key player in that crowd in Brooklyn for nearly a decade now.

>see Chapo thread
>open it up
>it’s full of autistic people arguing and spouting memes
Can’t even make this shit up

>>11158440
What did you expect? They talk shit about the “discourse” without realizing they’re part of the problem

>>11158440
What did you expect?

>>11158437
both amber and matt don't come from money
virgil I don't know, he was probably laid from an egg
felix, maybe
will yes

>>11158440
>engaging with 4chan reactionaries in good faith

Lol why would we do such a thing

>>11158388
How many soi-memes have you posted today, chud?

>Chud
>SuccDem
>Nick Mullen is head of DSA
>Sup my fellow pede- I mean grey wolves
>King Antifa
>There is no ethical consumption under capitalism
What other lingo am I missing?

>>11158460
You forgot
>X go on Chapo

>>11158324
holy fucc... this rabbit hole goes deep

https://endchan.xyz/.media/e39a32e4238a44eacf242930d9980659-applicationpdf

>>11158458
what the fuck is a soi-meme

How many hours do you spend online??

Absolutely loving that the people who spend their day posting soi memes on incels.me are the ones most upset about "chud"

>>11158472
>How many hours do you spend online??

Probably as much as you.

>>11158476
Absolutely loving that the people who spend their day posting chud memes on r/chapotraphouse are the ones most upset about "söy”

>>11158460
>Love too X
>Doing X to own the libs

>>11158476
what the fuck is a soi meme. whats incel dot me. why are you bringing these up randomly you schizophrenic fucking freak

>>11158490
Soi shit is very amusing. When you have an ironic distance towards everything you don't get caught up in tribalistic meme wars like an autist.

>>11155685
>2018
>not being a feminist
Go back to /pol/

>>11155911
Everyone knows that. That doesnt mean we will jump to defend every douche just because he claims to be a socialist.

>>11158519
ironic dostance towards everything also means you don't have meaningul closeness with anything which is worse than getting caught in any tribalist meme war

besides, that's bullshit, you don't have ironic distance towards everything, nobody does
you have an ironic distance towards the things you dislike/don't support

>>11155972
>le red scare was just phonia
Lol

>>11158519
>I was only pretending to be retarded!
t. chudlet

>>11155939
Is this a "we pretend is the 20th century" thread?

>>11158534
>which is worse than getting caught in any tribalist meme war

It really isn't.

>you have an ironic distance towards the things you dislike/don't support

Stop projecting, reactionary chud

>>11156518
No one cares lol

>>11158550
underage b&

>>11158550
r u trans

>>11158562
>>11158564
>irony-posting about things you don't like/support and proving my point

Thanks, reactionary chud

>>11157843
Good post
>No, you don’t get it. It’s just a coincidence that we and the huge corporations work together to import hordes of foreign scabs, limit speech, etc. Eventually, our True Leftism is going to win!

>>11158581
answer the question

>2018
>being a chud
ISHYGDDT

>>11158302
Tell me about the great leftist victories

>>11158604
when @DeplorableBarbara was fucking PWNED in a quote tweet from krang t nelson. thats it. every east bloc state has fell

>>11158586
>leftists want immigration and and to limit free speech

Love too see the "liberals are leftists" meme continue unabated. Forced immigration is a feature of global capitalism you literal retard. Read Marx, you simp. I'm literally beggin' ya.

>>11158597
No

>>11158664
hahaha

>>11158680
r u trans

>>11158688
no that's disgusting trans "people" are subhuman lmao

>>11158703
so are reptile brained reactionaries, my chud

>>11158713
youre a fucking teenager from reddit

Kek leftism is extremely impotent in this day and age. Liberals vastly outshadow you. You are irrelevant.

>>11158659
Last time I went to your subhuman subreddit, the top post was a meme about how borders are evil.

>>11158659
>read Marx
>Marx believed x so the average leftist isn’t pro third world hordes
Nice try fag. The corporations prefer you because, on average, you’re half in agreement with them and half ineffectual dreamers.

>>11158728
this #neoclassicaleconomics #friedman #keynes #marshall #edgeworth #hayek #governemntthatprotectsagainstmarketfailures #neoliberalism

>>11158604
When we fought working class anti-immigration protestors to own the capitalists

>>11158744
Fisher was right though, neoliberalism is unstoppable.

>>11158750
Most smashy antifa are false flagging reactionaries, my chud.

I get secondhand embarrassment for people who listen to podcasts, secondhand shame for brocialists, and secondhand humiliation for people whose speech is decided entirely by their brocialist podcasts, "my chud"

>>11158750
internet retard unable to understand that political stances have more than one facet
autism wins again

>>11158784
It's literally the only facet you have any success on tho

>>11158828
which is sad, but doesn't have anything to do with the issue at hand

>>11158727
youre a fucking teenager from 4chan

>>11158765
go back to posting sⱺy memes on voat, my chud

>>11155911
>board full of Catholic monarchists and NRx
>leftist

>>11158728
>Kek

Cringe

Has anyone posted it yet? No?
Ok

>>11158906
>Cringe

>>11158909
*whoosh*

>>11157646
>then who are these gaggles of anarchists that keep popping up and organizing riots?
Trannies and 15 year old vegans.

The American left is fucked beyond comprehension. Your nation is too retarded for political thought. Stop it.

>>11158916
>No you don't get it I was only being post-ironically unironically ironic

>>11158734
The only subreddit I visit is /r/sorceryofthespectacle so I dunno what you're talking about

>>11158880
epic return to sender own style dude. im a failson

>>11158924
*whoosh*

>>11158916
Dude extreme irony is like really funny

>>11158934
you got that right

>>11158936

>>11157706
Not an argument.

>>11155911
um sweetie no, this has been an alt-right occupied zone since the end of stirner-posting

>>>/leftypol/ please remove yourself

>>11158939
>Irony is only funny when WE do it!!

>>11158940
go back to twitter retard jesus christ

>>11158949
Is that irony? I don't even know what that is

>>11158950
lmao

comrades together we will smash to fascist capitalist state through new york podcasts and patreon donations!

>>11158949
>if you're not a braindead death worshipping lefty chucklefuck you must be a racist MDE watching braindead death worshipping chucklefuck

You're falling for two sides of the same coin friend

>>11158962
incels together we will smash the cultural marxist state through self-help grifters on patreon and shitposting sⱺy memes!

>>11158966
>reactionary pretending to be a radical centrist

You using "lefty" as a pejorative but not also using "righty" or "reactionary" gave you away, chud.

>>11158922
Dis be tru

>>11158989
Took me like thirty seconds to realize which perspective this post was actually arguing for because your brain is has been warped inside and out with irony. Get help friend

>>11158989
ok dude lol

>>11158994
There's literally nothing wrong with being a reactionary though
>I want a large happy family a loyal child rearing wife and land of my own sovereignty like we used to have

What is your problem with this?

im post ironically trolling everybody in this whole thread

>>11158997
You haven't realized anything, friend

>>11159006
Oh, alright

>>11159004
WE WUZ LAND AND LOYAL WIFE OWNERS N SHIET

>>11158989
>anyone who doesn't love my fatboy beardman brocialist podcast is an incel

>>11159015
Why yes, we were

read berardi

irony is the only thing that can save us

>>11159023
Anyone that is actively offended by it? Absolutely, yes.

>>11159028
Save us from what, fulfilling relationships?

>>11159039
there's a difference between irony and cynicism. maybe you should read some deleuze on the subject as well.

also the reason you can't find a fulfilling relationship is not because of irony. it's because the society of the spectacle reduces geographic distance only to introduce new internal distances. also you may have a shit personality, lol.

>>11159060
You didn't answer my question meme man, what are we being saved from?

>>11158929
The chapo subreddit, my chud.

They’re all “muh open borders” “muh borderz is fashism”

>>11159036
Most leftist women hate chapo.
Get out of the house, my chud.

>>11159065
hellworld.

cynicism postulates the inescapable reality of hellworld. irony opens a game of infinite possibilities while cynicism disassociates itself from ethics and possibility; the cynical mood begins with the belief that ethical action is doomed to failure, "meme man."

Just LOL at all the chucklechuds ITT

Reaction is high school tier sophistry.

Pic related

>>11159086
Women can be incels too, my chud

>well stop capitialism by being like really ironic on the internet dude.

Modernity is somthing else

>>11159092
Never met an ironybro who wasn’t cynical.
Get a life.

>>11159099
How out of the loop are you?
Most Rose twitter women hate Chapo because of teir misogyny

>>11159092
Have you considered for a moment that among these "infinite possibilities" is also an infinite means to distance yourself away from your own desires and the real?
Look at yourself you have no means of actually articulating what it is you're resisting against in me. Bluttering some stupid word like ""hellworld"" is again avoiding an answer

>>11158922
>beyond comprehension
Doesn’t mean much coming from a europoor

>>11159114
>muh muh muh
Gaze upon the pedantry of the reactionary chud and despair.
Your bald assertions are not arguments. Come at me with valid critiques if you want proper refutations.

>>11159097
uh... is that ur hand kiddo

>>11159110
They are liberals

>>11159121
No it’s an incel chudcel from an /r9k/ thread.

A former magapede who grew up and embraced the dialectic.

>>11159097
Do you think the writing in that image represents me and other posters here? I actually have no idea what this image is conveying.
You've become so distanced from reality you're just in a constant discourse with yourself

>>11155627
>A manifesto against logic, facts, and reason
No wonder they throw tantrums over musician x dating other rich person y.

>>11159122
>everyone who hates me is a liberal
Pure ideology

>>11159114
>an infinite means to distance yourself away from your own desires and the real?

sounds good to me

>Bluttering some stupid word like ""hellworld"" is again avoiding an answer

nope

>>11159126
>hol up im gonna post a picture of lacan to pretend im not just another dime store reactionary sophist

l o l

>>11159122
>why is my “ironic” misogynistic humor causing women to turn away?
>it’s the women who are wrong!
Spoken like a true incel

>>11159127
*whoosh*

>>11159124
what r u even saying

>>11159122
the only possibility is that you're samefagging because there can't be someone dumb enough to believe that "most rose twitter women hate chapo" except if they belong to the chapohate clicque

>>11159145
yeah dude its epic irony! le *woosh* /s my SO my dude yikes! do u browse reddit as well?

>>11159145
Being ironically retarded is still being retarded, retard.

>>11159146
Just go back to >>>/pol/ you chudmuncher

>>11159134
Lacan is very relevant to your pathology here. The real is your friend if you can have any friend at all, my friend

>>11159145
upboated my fellow gentlesir! /s

>>11159144
Actually it's the class politics that makes them turn away like the reactionaries they are, claims of "misogyny" are just an easy cover

>>11159150
the only possibility is that you're samefagging because there can't be someone dumb enough to believe that "most rose twitter women don’t hate chapo" except if they belong to the chapocirclejerk clicque

>>11159152
>>11159155
>>11159165
>it's not fair!!! only 4chinz reactionary chuds are allowed to be ironic!!!!

>>11159166
t. incel

>>11159172
Nigger

>>11159172
what??

>>11159172
Sam Hyde was never funny either.

>>11159170
KEK, good one my friend! you truly caught him in a predicament, a logical trap if you will! do you perchance have any memes of a more recent date, my pepe folder is sadly understocked? salutations!

>>11159172
>Only 4chan reactionary chuds are allowed to huff lead paint and eat paste!!!!
FTFY

>>11159164
you actually have no idea what you're talking about

>>11156066
>What is dirtbag about them?
Appearance, hygiene, fashion, health.

>>11159184
he mad

>>11159176
t. chud

>>11159184
what??

>>11159196
at least i’m not an incel ;)

>>11159181
cool retcon, chud

>>11159186
true

>>11159201
t. false-flagging chud

Stop making us leftists look bad, you goddamn reactionary

>>11159199
yeah well i'm a volcel, it's the purest ideology

>>11159190
If you say so. You can always say so

>>11159201
>cool retcon, chud
Most of us grew out of that stale humour.
You irony faggots are still mired in it. So 2015.

>>11159207
>volcel
t. incel in denial

Unless you’re Catholic, but then again if you’re a Catholic Marxist you need to brush up on your catechism.

Great thread

>>11159220
>t. brainlet that has never read McCabe

>>11159233
The Bull McCabe?

>>11159238
herbert mccabe

all radical politics is rooted in the aristotelian-thomist tradition wherein socialism is not just an ideal or a historical necessity but the epitome of practical reason

i thought this was a board for people who read books

>>11159264
>i thought this was a board for people who read books
lel what gave you that idea

>>11158659
>Love too see the "liberals are leftists" meme continue unabated. Forced immigration is a feature of global capitalism you literal retard. Read Marx, you simp. I'm literally beggin' ya.

Agreed, but no prominent leftists (whether we're talking about DSA people, tankies, whatever) oppose it. People on Twitter were calling Jacobin fascist just for publishing a semi-pro-Brexit (or at least not explicitly anti-Brexit) article which didn't even mention immigration. This is the fate that awaits anyone who attempts to steer the "left" left, however insubstantially. The only "leftism" that exists for all practical intents and purposes is what Marx called "conservative/bourgeois socialism". That is, the sort of top-down reformist "socialism" (AKA social democracy) adopted by elements of the bourgeoisie that is invariably divorced from labor and revolutionary struggle. It's not a coincidence that these are the same people who see the left as compatible with "gun control" (or the monopolization of arms by the bourgeoisie) and anti-democratic neo-liberal projects like EU.

>>11159283
>Agreed, but no prominent leftists (whether we're talking about DSA people, tankies, whatever) oppose it.
Exactly this. Hyper-Ironic leftists like this poster employ this thing frequently where they agree on Reactionaries about their discontents, tell them they're wrong because capitalism is the root of the problem but then only offer steps to further exacerbate the problem "More open borders! More women liberation!"
Its a fitfull portraryal of their own deep self confliction

>>11159233
Heretic.

A Historical materialist reading of history is blasphemy.

The Church stands against Marxism as much as ot stands against liberalism.

>>11159222
this gif is peak śoy

>>11159303
spot-on

>>11159315
Fucking saved

>>11155911
Fuck off.

>>11159303
agreed, "leftists" who proselytize to right wing turds are morons
fucking sack up and stop trying to get these cretins to change sides

>>11156083
Is 'dirtbag' just punk but weak?

>>11159126
>>11159164
>>11159208
Good posts

>>11159356
this

>>11159356
>"leftists" who proselytize to right wing turds are morons
This a dangerous and stupid notion. What are you going to do to the majority of the population after the revolution? You haven't deluded yourself into thinking fringe communists are a relevant part of the population I hope?

Talk to people you disagree with and try to have a meaningful conversation. Human interaction is real, meme ideology is an abstraction.

>>11159308
universalization of aristotelian teology + christian charity + respect for enlightenment demands that "everyone get in on the action" = socialism = the political economy of virtue. human solidarity as an end in itself. an expression of power and affectation unsullied by the values of use exchange. literally the city of god.

>>11159446
Nigger

>>11159450
Whats the point in charity if God doesn't exist and we all die alone forever

>>11159446
>Human interaction is real

not in the society of the spectacle

>>11159485
Human interaction was never real

>>11159446
no, I've only deluded myself into thinking that people who jerk off to genocide won't be converted by some earnest clown trying to fit their retarded ideas into a socialist frame
one of the people above me said so very well, though in different words since he's on the right - if you're running around saying "capitalism is at fault for immigration!" you'll get new recruits but they'll be absolute shit people

>>11159363
yes

>>11159450
Socialism != Marxism, retard.
Marxism is a specific, counter-Catholic ideology.

>>11159506
>people who jerk off to genocide
You mean like guillotine-posters?

>>11155627
We already had all these conversations arguments 50 years ago.

Time to move on.

>>11159538
Its not genocide if the target group is a class of people is literally their logic.

>>11159356
"Agreed"? You must have terrible reading comprehension. Your position is close to the opposite of the one being expressed. Socialism is meaningless without the support of the proletariat, many of whom hold views, sometimes wrongly, considered to be "right-wing" or "reactionary" by bourgeois leftists (such as opposition to mass immigration). So yes, if you want to achieve socialism, you do have to do something other than post memes on Twitter and go to protests and dick around with other privileged college kids who already agree with you. You actually have to convert workers by appealing to their material interests, and of course, you can't do that if you support policies favored by elites that obviously go against their material interests.

>>11159538
I mean like the "holohoax" posters and various stripes of neonazis, you dumb shit
the guillotine thing is obviously a joke

>>11159554
yes, left conservatism is the cure for all ills
fuck off

>>11159556
>the guillotine thing is obviously a joke
Yeah, no. They’re being serious.

>>11159571
abortion is murder

>>11159571
the working class is steadfastly conservative.

the eastern european and east asian communists have always understood this.

>>11159571
>cheerleading for the reserve army of labor is leftist

You obviously don't understand what's being discussed. At all. Go back to arguing about gun control on /r/ChapoTrapHouse.

>>11159608
lumpenproletariat are reactionary chuds though

>>11159608
>....and that's why we gotta kick all those sandnig...uh I mean "the reserve army of labor" as far away as we can
yes, I'm sure the best solution to the problem is your ethnonationalist bullshit

>>11159638
I mean, it is

HAHA weird twitter is so funny and topical and ironic and corncobalicious, amirite my fellow chudapedes??? XDDDd
follow me @dril and leave a like and subscribe!

>>11159859
based

>>11159892
congrats, I don't think I've seen a smaller pic on 4chan
fuck pics for ants, this is one for the microbes

>>11158051
Yes it is. The relationship between a boss and a worker is inherently exploitative, because if workers were pocketing the full amount of money that their products or services sell for, the boss makes no profit.

Even if we transformed our economy into some utopian patchwork of independent production and co-ops, capitalistic competition would still compel people to exploit each other as buyers, through inflated sales or corner-cutting to increase profitability.

>>11159943
What if the employee was a dumb nigger who didn't know shit about investments?

>>11159506
>no, I've only deluded myself into thinking that people who jerk off to genocide won't be converted by some earnest clown trying to fit their retarded ideas into a socialist frame

Rose twitter broke your brain, dude. Legit Nazis aren't even 0.1% of the population. No one argues that the left's priority should be doing logic battles with Richard Spencer until he becomes a Marxist. The issue here is that like a lot of recent ex-liberal converts, you seem mistakenly view socialism as a kind of "super liberalism" rather than a completely different political philosophy with different goals and objectives, so radicalism for you is just being an even more obnoxious tribal shitlib, as if you effect change by screaming at people on the internet rather than through revolutionary struggle, which does entail converting those icky working class people who aren't already woke leftists.

>one of the people above me said so very well, though in different words since he's on the right - if you're running around saying "capitalism is at fault for immigration!" you'll get new recruits but they'll be absolute shit people

The person you're referring to wasn't saying that. In fact, he was making close to the opposite point. He was responding to my post (>>11159283) and criticizing people like >>11158659 (who my post was in response to) who frequently employ the tactic of mocking right-wingers who blame the left for mass immigration rather than capitalism, which while true is disingenuous because 9/10ths of the mainstream "left" as it exists today still aggressively and dogmatically support an open borders policy themselves, and no dissent on this subject is permitted (Cesar Chavez would be called a fascist if he were still around).

>shit people

Yes, the wwc are shit because they don't like scab labor and oppose multinational corporations and transnational bodies that dictate immigration policy on their behalf. You obviously don't want socialism to be anything but a bourgeois sewing circle.

>>11159859
"Chud" is basically "cuck" for people who enjoy the sex fetish for intellectuals.

>>11159623
>lumpenproletariat are reactionary chuds though

Lmao. You do know that word doesn't mean "proletariat I don't like", right? WWC are not lumpenproletariat (criminals, vagrants, the unemployed, etc.)

>>11160159
Lmao. 4chan/pol broke your brain, dude.

The fuck is wwc anyhow?

>>11160159
Most WWC are reactionary, Trump-supporting chuds, which should be criminal behavior in a progressive, socialist society, so yes they are lumpenproletariat

>>11157794
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMj-EcgzFMo

I'm sure you'll respond with how the guy in the video is a Beanboy instead of his explanation about how McDonald's uses slave labor, but w/e here you go

>>11157890
>Chalk trap house is a bunch of CIA democrats

They've spent entire episodes talking about how The Democrats are pieces of of shit and supporting the FBI/CIA makes you a fash chud so at least paint them the way they are and not the way you assume they are

>>11155627
The entire premise for this thread is flawed because the book isn't out yet, lol.

But you guys sure have a lot of opinions

>>11157695
>the most important book of the 20th centur
imagine being this delusional
Debord isn't even the greatest thinker of the 68er movement, that would be Lefebvre

>>11160814
I mean, I suppose it's possible the Chapo book won't be a massive steaming turd but I think we can reasonably discount that eventuality.

>>11160923
Why are there so many conflicts options? Do you know how Bingo works