/lit/ - Literature

Yeah, you need a background in bungeejumping lmao

lol

>>11145985
just cut your body open with a sharp knife
then you discover the body without organs
(or not) but its too late anyway

I want to see you try it faggot that's all I can say

why is there so many threads recently of people not wanting to read the greeks but wanting to read Nietzsche or Deleuze and so on? I assume everyone here has some form of philosophical background, I suppose i am mistaken.

Deleuze's main influences were Spinoza and Nietzsche

>>11146245
Well I can see a film student wanting to get into Deleuze right away. Or a psychologist. What's wrong with that?

>>11146265
That a film student or a psychologist would at best not understand shit, and at worst completely misunderstand him. Especially psychologists, with the horrible mishmash of philosophical ideas they tend to hold. You wouldn't believe this shit.

>>11146265
you should have some lectures on philosophy in film theory school

>>11146265
>What's wrong with that?

Absolutely everything.

>>11145985
his main influences are neetchuh, spinoza, and bergson
you should also read marx and freud
kant would also be helpful
have some understanding of lacan

>>11146245
Probably anthropology students or some shit.

>>11146245
People want to read Nick Land but they can't understand his alt-right rhetoric.

>>11146393
Alright then. Should I read something in particular before getting into Spinoza?

>>11146245
nigga i come straight from r9k and told me to start reading books becuase my brain is dying from all the goldfish interacciones i have and decayning and allowed to werite fuck all where the fuck do you think your at ? providence?

>>11146489
aristotle, descartes obviously

for them you need plato obviously. and it would be usefull to read heraclitus and parmenides before plato

>>11147235
>>11146489
just read their wiki pages and stanford encyclopedia

>>11145985
Just watch his abécédaire on YouTube. That's where everyone start

>>11145985
Philosophy is rhisomatic - you can start where you want and go from there

>>11145985
Actually you can skip all of that background if you just read Nick Land first.

Spinoza (wiki article) --> Deleuze --> Moldbug --> Nick Land

>>11147593
>>11147310
>>11146448
Who the fuck is Nick Land?

>>11147695
>and is sometimes associated with the alt-rightor other right-wing movements

Nevermind, another fascist crackpot.

How do you even go from Deleuze to alt-right? Deleuze is a raging Marxist ffs.

>>11147256
retard

>>11147813
brainlet

>>11147303
memer


>>11145985
you can't and you unironically have to start with the grecs

>>11147813
>How do you even go from Deleuze to alt-right?
ask Nick Land. he did it

>>11145985
Gregory Bateson, Norbert Wiener, Gotthard Günther, Warren Sturgis McCulloch, Harold Lasswell, John Von Neumann and the rest of the CIA LSD cybernetics RAND corporation MKULTRA set. the postmodern world was born out of cold war think tanks, the left bank intellectuals merely dressed it up in the tired trappings of old europe.

You may spend a lot of your time reading Plato or else. But...You can read Deleuze after 3-4 books on history of philosophy and 2-3 books on (post)modern philosophy. Good luck.

>>11147842
Uhhh could you elaborate? Or provide some reads on this?

>>11147833
>start with the greeks
post disregarded

>>11147813
desnooze is a neoliberal lmao xd

>>11147842
based

>>11146295
Deleuze actually once claimed that his works (particularly the capitalism and schizophrenia series) would be best understood by creatives, artists and musicians, rather than armchair philosophers.

>>11147235
>>11147256
>all this unnecessary preparation

>>11146489
Just read his ethics man, its really not that difficult to work out how it all fits together. Just be wary of his definition of modes/affections, its meaning is very indeterminate and can be bent (almost to the point of total unreason) in order to prove his claims.

>>11147955
It's all about cybernetics, systems theory and the general zeitgeist of the counterculture 60s and 70s. the technologies embraced by the utopian counterculture were developed by the military industrial complex and omnicidal thermonuclear strategists. Via Stewart Brand and others, they laid the groundwork for sillicon valley and our cybernetic society of control. Gregory Bateson was a huge influence on deleuze, muh difference is pure systems theory, as is the schizophrenic double bind, Wiener talked about assemblages in the human use of human beings. Cybernetics is the science of communication and control in the animal and the machine. Also check out RD Laing's work, that's were D&G got the idea of psychosis as a liberating experience. Ted Kaczynski was an MKULTRA subject.

https://monoskop.org/images/0/09/Brand_Stewart_Whole_Earth_Catalog_Fall_1968.pdf

https://www.moma.org/interactives/exhibitions/2011/AccesstoTools/

Charles Manson is what Deleuze would have been like if he actually meant it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-P2aXAOBW4

>>11146245
Deleuze and Nietzsche are important for the new popularity of accelerationist thought.

>>11148049
Thanks. Reading your posts feels like reading a synopsis for a Pynchon's novel.

>>11148049
>>11147955
I guess From Counterculture to Cyberculture

>>11147813
>how do you go from Heidegger to left-wing postmodernism? Heidegger is a raging Nazi ffs.

there ya go

>>11148207
I get you, but that still doesn't answer my question.

>>11147813
>How do you even go from Deleuze to alt-right?
we spent the last decades looking for alterity, we looked for it in the counterculture, we looked for it were the queers and in non western cultures, we found it and lost it, absorbed into sameness and the listless inside. but there is a frontier there is a borderline were the danger remains real as it ever was. I wonder if Kanye is into Deleuze?

>>11145985
you should actively avoid having a background in The Greeks if you want to read deleuze. romanticizing ancient texts rots your brain.

>>11145985

I had read most of Deleuze, bachelor degree in philosophy, my referent teacher was one of Deleuze's disciples and publishers. I don't know him well, his cinema stuff too, and have not fully understood many concepts.

You can read all this history of philosophy stuff if you know the thought of author Deleuze is fucking with (apparently he really said this kind of things).

His solo books are kind of hardcore, then there is his collaboration with Guattari : great, very complex too, and very useful for quotations that looks cool in contemporary art speeches.

You will profit more with a solid background (and i can't imagine the distance from translation) but you can get into and go further. The alphabet video series may be great to give a hint of what he was.

I got no secret anecdote on him, sorry for my english, i'm also a bit on acid right now.

>>11145985
Knowing Spinoza really helps

>>11146393
you forgot the most importand (for repetition) gabriel tarde

>>11147152
How u doing fellow robot